America's Gun Violence

goingtoverona

only 20,000? that seems like a small number compared to the two hundred million guns in our country. especially since according to our media we are drowning in gun violence. one more item to the list of things killing people. so what?
20,000 is what, .01 percent of two hundred million? hell yeah I can live with .01 percent so millions can enjoy the pleasure of shooting and the peace of mind of being able to defend themselves against armed criminals. not to mention the people that actually have their lives saved courtesy of their gun.
if people can live with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and an overwhelming burden on our medical system, just to puff on a cigarette......people can live with guns.
if people can live with wife beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers killing people, and children binge drinking and dying, just to get a buzz from alcohol....people can live with guns.
if people can live with dead people, dead animals, fat unhealthy people, pollution and being dependent on a natural resource, just to get from point a to point b and keep your armpits from sweating.....people can live with guns.
20,000 might be a lot if there were only 30,000 guns around, but 200,000,000? nah. that's a more than reasonable amount.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

goingtoverona said:

only 20,000? that seems like a small number compared to the two hundred million guns in our country. especially since according to our media we are drowning in gun violence. one more item to the list of things killing people. so what?
20,000 is what, .01 percent of two hundred million? hell yeah I can live with .01 percent so millions can enjoy the pleasure of shooting and the peace of mind of being able to defend themselves against armed criminals. not to mention the people that actually have their lives saved courtesy of their gun.
if people can live with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and an overwhelming burden on our medical system, just to puff on a cigarette......people can live with guns.
if people can live with wife beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers killing people, and children binge drinking and dying, just to get a buzz from alcohol....people can live with guns.
if people can live with dead people, dead animals, fat unhealthy people, pollution and being dependent on a natural resource, just to get from point a to point b and keep your armpits from sweating.....people can live with guns.
20,000 might be a lot if there were only 30,000 guns around, but 200,000,000? nah. that's a more than reasonable amount.

There's some legitimacy to this point. I'm not going to necessarily disagree with some of the things you've said. There is a better way to live, but who's to say? The big obese person that cannot resist The Golden Corral 3X a week likely doesn't know that walking up stairs doesn't necessarily have to feel like you're completing a triathlon.

But admit the following: you'd probably feel differently if one of those 200,000,000 guns changed the course of your life in a dramatic way though, eh? I mean... just so guys can shoot shit?

rgambs

goingtoverona said:

only 20,000? that seems like a small number compared to the two hundred million guns in our country. especially since according to our media we are drowning in gun violence. one more item to the list of things killing people. so what?
20,000 is what, .01 percent of two hundred million? hell yeah I can live with .01 percent so millions can enjoy the pleasure of shooting and the peace of mind of being able to defend themselves against armed criminals. not to mention the people that actually have their lives saved courtesy of their gun.
if people can live with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and an overwhelming burden on our medical system, just to puff on a cigarette......people can live with guns.
if people can live with wife beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers killing people, and children binge drinking and dying, just to get a buzz from alcohol....people can live with guns.
if people can live with dead people, dead animals, fat unhealthy people, pollution and being dependent on a natural resource, just to get from point a to point b and keep your armpits from sweating.....people can live with guns.
20,000 might be a lot if there were only 30,000 guns around, but 200,000,000? nah. that's a more than reasonable amount.

Tell that to the family of a victim of gun violence. Tell them that it was reasonable that their child was murdered by a gun, because lots of people enjoy their juvenile hobby of making things go bang bang.

Your relation of guns to cars has been so thoroughly debunked on these boards that clinging to it continually is just sad.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

11 year old shoots 3 year old in the face.

He took a legal handgun that was kicking around the house- loaded- and shot a three year old in the face.

Charged with manslaughter.

This isn't the first time I've heard such a tragedy- maybe the first where the kid was charged with a crime though. Let me clarify... I've only heard of these types of events in Cletusville (USA) where they say there's no gun problem. How many gun deaths per year? 20,000? 16,000 homicides plus all the accidents and such?

Ridiculous... in so many ways.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/eleven-year-old-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-death-of-three-year-old-boy-in-detroit/ar-BBlsCSM

Between this and "mucky too" your humor is spot on today! Both gave me a half chuckle.

I was hoping to get at least one chuckle! I'll take those two halves as 'one'.

Have a good weekend.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

11 year old shoots 3 year old in the face.

He took a legal handgun that was kicking around the house- loaded- and shot a three year old in the face.

Charged with manslaughter.

This isn't the first time I've heard such a tragedy- maybe the first where the kid was charged with a crime though. Let me clarify... I've only heard of these types of events in Cletusville (USA) where they say there's no gun problem. How many gun deaths per year? 20,000? 16,000 homicides plus all the accidents and such?

Ridiculous... in so many ways.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/eleven-year-old-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-death-of-three-year-old-boy-in-detroit/ar-BBlsCSM

Between this and "mucky too" your humor is spot on today! Both gave me a half chuckle.

I was hoping to get at least one chuckle! I'll take those two halves as 'one'.

Have a good weekend.

Well it's hard to get a whole chuckle from text, but you came admirably close!
I'll be working all weekend, but I am so Damn stubborn I will have a good weekend just to spite my damn job lol
Fuck 'em, bastards can't hold me down!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

11 year old shoots 3 year old in the face.

He took a legal handgun that was kicking around the house- loaded- and shot a three year old in the face.

Charged with manslaughter.

This isn't the first time I've heard such a tragedy- maybe the first where the kid was charged with a crime though. Let me clarify... I've only heard of these types of events in Cletusville (USA) where they say there's no gun problem. How many gun deaths per year? 20,000? 16,000 homicides plus all the accidents and such?

Ridiculous... in so many ways.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/eleven-year-old-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-death-of-three-year-old-boy-in-detroit/ar-BBlsCSM

Between this and "mucky too" your humor is spot on today! Both gave me a half chuckle.

I was hoping to get at least one chuckle! I'll take those two halves as 'one'.

Have a good weekend.

Well it's hard to get a whole chuckle from text, but you came admirably close!
I'll be working all weekend, but I am so Damn stubborn I will have a good weekend just to spite my damn job lol
Fuck 'em, bastards can't hold me down!

Shitty. Well... thanks for doing what you do so the world doesn't stop on the weekends.

JWPearl

americas gun violence..

why

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

11 year old shoots 3 year old in the face.

He took a legal handgun that was kicking around the house- loaded- and shot a three year old in the face.

Charged with manslaughter.

This isn't the first time I've heard such a tragedy- maybe the first where the kid was charged with a crime though. Let me clarify... I've only heard of these types of events in Cletusville (USA) where they say there's no gun problem. How many gun deaths per year? 20,000? 16,000 homicides plus all the accidents and such?

Ridiculous... in so many ways.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/eleven-year-old-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-death-of-three-year-old-boy-in-detroit/ar-BBlsCSM

Between this and "mucky too" your humor is spot on today! Both gave me a half chuckle.

I was hoping to get at least one chuckle! I'll take those two halves as 'one'.

Have a good weekend.

Well it's hard to get a whole chuckle from text, but you came admirably close!
I'll be working all weekend, but I am so Damn stubborn I will have a good weekend just to spite my damn job lol
Fuck 'em, bastards can't hold me down!

Shitty. Well... thanks for doing what you do so the world doesn't stop on the weekends.

Hahaha the people must have their carbonated soft drinks!

goingtoverona

@ thirty, I have indeed thought about that before, if a loved one was gunned down would that change my attitude towards guns, and honestly I just don't know. wish I could say my attitude would stay the same and I would just blame the person but who knows man. I hope that's something I never have to go through. if it was a loved one accidentally killing themselves because I left a gun around, I would at the bare minimum get rid off all my guns, and probably get rid of myself as well.

@rgambs, I acknowledge that point but really don't care. tobacco, cars, alcohol, guns, knives, so what? everybody who has a loved one die prematurely from those things has a legitimate grievance. and I was thinking the opposite about being "debunked". I think I debunked you. and I did that by proving that you don't give a rats ass about human life. the argument is that guns kill people which is why everyone is so disturbed by them. I offered up cars because they kill people TOO, on top of the many other negative things. not sure how clinging to that is sad. they're both killers that we don't need. you rationalize your killers, and i'll rationalize mine. and then between you and me, we have everything that kills people out there.......rationalized. when you get down to brass tax, 99percent of you guys have the exact same mentality, and that is, " all the things that kill people in my life are solid gold, we can live with it, tolerate it, accept it, whatever adjective that helps us sleep, but we gotta do whatever it takes to save people killed by guns, if it saves even one life it's worth it, oh by the way i'll never own or use a gun. that's right, the one thing i'll never use or possess is the one thing that doesn't get a rationalization."
gee who could have seen that coming?

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

goingtoverona said:

only 20,000? that seems like a small number compared to the two hundred million guns in our country. especially since according to our media we are drowning in gun violence. one more item to the list of things killing people. so what?
20,000 is what, .01 percent of two hundred million? hell yeah I can live with .01 percent so millions can enjoy the pleasure of shooting and the peace of mind of being able to defend themselves against armed criminals. not to mention the people that actually have their lives saved courtesy of their gun.
if people can live with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and an overwhelming burden on our medical system, just to puff on a cigarette......people can live with guns.
if people can live with wife beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers killing people, and children binge drinking and dying, just to get a buzz from alcohol....people can live with guns.
if people can live with dead people, dead animals, fat unhealthy people, pollution and being dependent on a natural resource, just to get from point a to point b and keep your armpits from sweating.....people can live with guns.
20,000 might be a lot if there were only 30,000 guns around, but 200,000,000? nah. that's a more than reasonable amount.

Tell that to the family of a victim of gun violence. Tell them that it was reasonable that their child was murdered by a gun, because lots of people enjoy their juvenile hobby of making things go bang bang.

Your relation of guns to cars has been so thoroughly debunked on these boards that clinging to it continually is just sad.

Juvenile hobby? Last week at the range I shot next to two world war 2 vets; one guys son was also shooting and he was a Vietnam vet. I d love for you to tell them that what they are doing is juvenile. Just because you don't agree with the hobby doesn't make it wrong.

goingtoverona

gotta blaze but wanted to toss in a little pre-retort retort as I feel I know what's coming....which is, the most common parameter I've seen used is the "designed to kill" parameter when looking at a persons death. people will look at all those things that kill(that aren't guns) and say, they did it to themselves or it does something productive or it's not designed to kill, to casually dismiss all the things that kill people that aren't guns. and my argument against that, is that the only person that get's to choose my parameters for me is me. in fact my parameter upon hearing of someones death used to be, " were they killed by old age?" if not then we gotta do whatever it takes to save those lives. after being here for a while I learned I was doing it backwards, you're supposed to single out one group of people and set up a parameter to exclude everyone else. my parameter now is "were they killed by something that takes gas and oil?" if the answer is no, then I can tolerate it. but no one can choose my parameter for me, just like I can't choose it for you.
if your mom died from lung cancer because the people at work smoked cigarettes around her for 30 years, no one can tell you that because cigarettes aren't designed to kill, that her death was tolerable.
if your mom was mangled in a car wreck, you can't tell me that because cars do something productive that her death is acceptable or a necessary evil.
and so on and so on with all the other killers.
speaking of cars, another day being surrounded by guns here, but the only thing that I see that consistently kills people and animals........that's right folks, CARS!!!!! I saw a baby deer standing next to it's obliterated mother on the road this morning. YAY CARS!!!

rr165892

goingtoverona said:

only 20,000? that seems like a small number compared to the two hundred million guns in our country. especially since according to our media we are drowning in gun violence. one more item to the list of things killing people. so what?
20,000 is what, .01 percent of two hundred million? hell yeah I can live with .01 percent so millions can enjoy the pleasure of shooting and the peace of mind of being able to defend themselves against armed criminals. not to mention the people that actually have their lives saved courtesy of their gun.
if people can live with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and an overwhelming burden on our medical system, just to puff on a cigarette......people can live with guns.
if people can live with wife beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers killing people, and children binge drinking and dying, just to get a buzz from alcohol....people can live with guns.
if people can live with dead people, dead animals, fat unhealthy people, pollution and being dependent on a natural resource, just to get from point a to point b and keep your armpits from sweating.....people can live with guns.
20,000 might be a lot if there were only 30,000 guns around, but 200,000,000? nah. that's a more than reasonable amount.

Couple good post here, going.

Last-12-Exit

Did I miss a post? Is 20,000 a statistic that I missed somewhere?

rgambs

goingtoverona said:

gotta blaze but wanted to toss in a little pre-retort retort as I feel I know what's coming....which is, the most common parameter I've seen used is the "designed to kill" parameter when looking at a persons death. people will look at all those things that kill(that aren't guns) and say, they did it to themselves or it does something productive or it's not designed to kill, to casually dismiss all the things that kill people that aren't guns. and my argument against that, is that the only person that get's to choose my parameters for me is me. in fact my parameter upon hearing of someones death used to be, " were they killed by old age?" if not then we gotta do whatever it takes to save those lives. after being here for a while I learned I was doing it backwards, you're supposed to single out one group of people and set up a parameter to exclude everyone else. my parameter now is "were they killed by something that takes gas and oil?" if the answer is no, then I can tolerate it. but no one can choose my parameter for me, just like I can't choose it for you.
if your mom died from lung cancer because the people at work smoked cigarettes around her for 30 years, no one can tell you that because cigarettes aren't designed to kill, that her death was tolerable.
if your mom was mangled in a car wreck, you can't tell me that because cars do something productive that her death is acceptable or a necessary evil.
and so on and so on with all the other killers.
speaking of cars, another day being surrounded by guns here, but the only thing that I see that consistently kills people and animals........that's right folks, CARS!!!!! I saw a baby deer standing next to it's obliterated mother on the road this morning. YAY CARS!!!

It's funny, you find gun deaths..scratch that..gun MURDERS acceptable because of a hobby and because they save a few lives now and then, but you condemn cars even though the deaths are accidental, and they save easily hundreds, likely thousands, of times more lives and serve a purpose far beyond a juvenile hobby.
That makes a ton of sense!

And BTW, contrary to your assumption, I do own guns and have shot many in my life.

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

goingtoverona said:

only 20,000? that seems like a small number compared to the two hundred million guns in our country. especially since according to our media we are drowning in gun violence. one more item to the list of things killing people. so what?
20,000 is what, .01 percent of two hundred million? hell yeah I can live with .01 percent so millions can enjoy the pleasure of shooting and the peace of mind of being able to defend themselves against armed criminals. not to mention the people that actually have their lives saved courtesy of their gun.
if people can live with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and an overwhelming burden on our medical system, just to puff on a cigarette......people can live with guns.
if people can live with wife beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers killing people, and children binge drinking and dying, just to get a buzz from alcohol....people can live with guns.
if people can live with dead people, dead animals, fat unhealthy people, pollution and being dependent on a natural resource, just to get from point a to point b and keep your armpits from sweating.....people can live with guns.
20,000 might be a lot if there were only 30,000 guns around, but 200,000,000? nah. that's a more than reasonable amount.

Tell that to the family of a victim of gun violence. Tell them that it was reasonable that their child was murdered by a gun, because lots of people enjoy their juvenile hobby of making things go bang bang.

Your relation of guns to cars has been so thoroughly debunked on these boards that clinging to it continually is just sad.

Juvenile hobby? Last week at the range I shot next to two world war 2 vets; one guys son was also shooting and he was a Vietnam vet. I d love for you to tell them that what they are doing is juvenile. Just because you don't agree with the hobby doesn't make it wrong.

So because they once used guns to kill people that makes it less juvenile?
I think that is an indictment AGAINST the hobby and not support for it.
I didn't say it was "wrong" I said it was juvenile, as in immature.
I loved shooting guns and blowing stuff up when I was a hormone riddled teenager, then I grew up and the bangbangs lost their appeal. I also think car-worship and racing are juvenile, I grew out of that too.

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

goingtoverona said:

only 20,000? that seems like a small number compared to the two hundred million guns in our country. especially since according to our media we are drowning in gun violence. one more item to the list of things killing people. so what?
20,000 is what, .01 percent of two hundred million? hell yeah I can live with .01 percent so millions can enjoy the pleasure of shooting and the peace of mind of being able to defend themselves against armed criminals. not to mention the people that actually have their lives saved courtesy of their gun.
if people can live with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and an overwhelming burden on our medical system, just to puff on a cigarette......people can live with guns.
if people can live with wife beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers killing people, and children binge drinking and dying, just to get a buzz from alcohol....people can live with guns.
if people can live with dead people, dead animals, fat unhealthy people, pollution and being dependent on a natural resource, just to get from point a to point b and keep your armpits from sweating.....people can live with guns.
20,000 might be a lot if there were only 30,000 guns around, but 200,000,000? nah. that's a more than reasonable amount.

Tell that to the family of a victim of gun violence. Tell them that it was reasonable that their child was murdered by a gun, because lots of people enjoy their juvenile hobby of making things go bang bang.

Your relation of guns to cars has been so thoroughly debunked on these boards that clinging to it continually is just sad.

Juvenile hobby? Last week at the range I shot next to two world war 2 vets; one guys son was also shooting and he was a Vietnam vet. I d love for you to tell them that what they are doing is juvenile. Just because you don't agree with the hobby doesn't make it wrong.

So because they once used guns to kill people that makes it less juvenile?
I think that is an indictment AGAINST the hobby and not support for it.
I didn't say it was "wrong" I said it was juvenile, as in immature.
I loved shooting guns and blowing stuff up when I was a hormone riddled teenager, then I grew up and the bangbangs lost their appeal. I also think car-worship and racing are juvenile, I grew out of that too.

Shooting guns is immature? Um, ok. So tens of millions of Americans are immature. Got yA. Bang bangs? I m thinking you havent shot a lot if you use the term bang bangs when describing shooting.

mcgruff10

Goingtoverona is my new favorite person. In all seriousness you make some really excellent points.

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

goingtoverona said:

only 20,000? that seems like a small number compared to the two hundred million guns in our country. especially since according to our media we are drowning in gun violence. one more item to the list of things killing people. so what?
20,000 is what, .01 percent of two hundred million? hell yeah I can live with .01 percent so millions can enjoy the pleasure of shooting and the peace of mind of being able to defend themselves against armed criminals. not to mention the people that actually have their lives saved courtesy of their gun.
if people can live with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and an overwhelming burden on our medical system, just to puff on a cigarette......people can live with guns.
if people can live with wife beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers killing people, and children binge drinking and dying, just to get a buzz from alcohol....people can live with guns.
if people can live with dead people, dead animals, fat unhealthy people, pollution and being dependent on a natural resource, just to get from point a to point b and keep your armpits from sweating.....people can live with guns.
20,000 might be a lot if there were only 30,000 guns around, but 200,000,000? nah. that's a more than reasonable amount.

Tell that to the family of a victim of gun violence. Tell them that it was reasonable that their child was murdered by a gun, because lots of people enjoy their juvenile hobby of making things go bang bang.

Your relation of guns to cars has been so thoroughly debunked on these boards that clinging to it continually is just sad.

Juvenile hobby? Last week at the range I shot next to two world war 2 vets; one guys son was also shooting and he was a Vietnam vet. I d love for you to tell them that what they are doing is juvenile. Just because you don't agree with the hobby doesn't make it wrong.

So because they once used guns to kill people that makes it less juvenile?
I think that is an indictment AGAINST the hobby and not support for it.
I didn't say it was "wrong" I said it was juvenile, as in immature.
I loved shooting guns and blowing stuff up when I was a hormone riddled teenager, then I grew up and the bangbangs lost their appeal. I also think car-worship and racing are juvenile, I grew out of that too.

Shooting guns is immature? Um, ok. So tens of millions of Americans are immature. Got yA. Bang bangs? I m thinking you havent shot a lot if you use the term bang bangs when describing shooting.

I grew up shooting. Then I finished growing up. Handguns, rifles, modified 22's, AR's, shotguns, all sorts.
Shooting guns isn't exactly immature, but being a gun enthusiast is.
Yes, tens of millions of Americans ARE immature.
Their ridiculous trucks, their confederate flags, their "cold dead hands"...yeah, juvenile for sure.
And yes, bangbangs, ooooohhh ahhhh explosions and fireworks. The type of people who get all excited about guns and explosives are the type who get all excited when the waitress brings out their sizzling steak at Applebee's. "Look out guys, we got a hot one coming through, yeeee haw!"

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

goingtoverona said:

only 20,000? that seems like a small number compared to the two hundred million guns in our country. especially since according to our media we are drowning in gun violence. one more item to the list of things killing people. so what?
20,000 is what, .01 percent of two hundred million? hell yeah I can live with .01 percent so millions can enjoy the pleasure of shooting and the peace of mind of being able to defend themselves against armed criminals. not to mention the people that actually have their lives saved courtesy of their gun.
if people can live with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and an overwhelming burden on our medical system, just to puff on a cigarette......people can live with guns.
if people can live with wife beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers killing people, and children binge drinking and dying, just to get a buzz from alcohol....people can live with guns.
if people can live with dead people, dead animals, fat unhealthy people, pollution and being dependent on a natural resource, just to get from point a to point b and keep your armpits from sweating.....people can live with guns.
20,000 might be a lot if there were only 30,000 guns around, but 200,000,000? nah. that's a more than reasonable amount.

Tell that to the family of a victim of gun violence. Tell them that it was reasonable that their child was murdered by a gun, because lots of people enjoy their juvenile hobby of making things go bang bang.

Your relation of guns to cars has been so thoroughly debunked on these boards that clinging to it continually is just sad.

Juvenile hobby? Last week at the range I shot next to two world war 2 vets; one guys son was also shooting and he was a Vietnam vet. I d love for you to tell them that what they are doing is juvenile. Just because you don't agree with the hobby doesn't make it wrong.

So because they once used guns to kill people that makes it less juvenile?
I think that is an indictment AGAINST the hobby and not support for it.
I didn't say it was "wrong" I said it was juvenile, as in immature.
I loved shooting guns and blowing stuff up when I was a hormone riddled teenager, then I grew up and the bangbangs lost their appeal. I also think car-worship and racing are juvenile, I grew out of that too.

Shooting guns is immature? Um, ok. So tens of millions of Americans are immature. Got yA. Bang bangs? I m thinking you havent shot a lot if you use the term bang bangs when describing shooting.

I grew up shooting. Then I finished growing up. Handguns, rifles, modified 22's, AR's, shotguns, all sorts.
Shooting guns isn't exactly immature, but being a gun enthusiast is.
Yes, tens of millions of Americans ARE immature.
Their ridiculous trucks, their confederate flags, their "cold dead hands"...yeah, juvenile for sure.
And yes, bangbangs, ooooohhh ahhhh explosions and fireworks. The type of people who get all excited about guns and explosives are the type who get all excited when the waitress brings out their sizzling steak at Applebee's. "Look out guys, we got a hot one coming through, yeeee haw!"

I m feeling this about people below the mason Dixon line.

Last-12-Exit

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?