America's Gun Violence

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

I misplaced my common sense? How? By arguing with actually statistics as opposed to raw emotion? I consider myself very intelligent having earned two degrees and a masters in administration.
If you actually read through my entire post you would have saw that I went wild boar and deer hunting with my ar15 and many people like to use that same rifle for woodchuck hunting.
Again if you read through my entire post you would also have read that I was for all sorts of background checks, gun registration and education/safety classes before owning a gun. How is that not common sense? Because I don t agree with you that all sorts of weapons should be banned? And after those weapons are banned what is next?
And I know our government won t take out weapons away; isn't the constitution a great thing?

I've heard of the AR15 used in boar hunting, but never for deer. The deer we used to hunt never allowed us to get that close. Killing woodchucks? Why? For fun (just to shoot shit)? You don't eat them do you? I'm not really down with that despite the fact they are considered a pest in our area.

I presented to you the positive correlation between gun ownership and gun homicide rates (per capita). The statistics are there as well, but I'm not going to present them here- I've already done that for others several times and to be frank... I'm growing weary of this discussion.

I have nothing against you personally, Gruff. You seem like a pretty good guy. Enjoy your guns. I'll keep my pessimistic view of US gun policies. And, as we remain divided on this issue... we can both enjoy Pearl Jam and the musical tastes we likely have in common.

Nothing personal here at all! I like debating but as soon as it gets nasty I back out. No need for that.
I do enjoy my guns but know things need to change. I m a father of five and a middle school teacher. The last thing I would ever want to see is another newtown. That s why to me the key is: lots of background checks. Mental health background checks. Gun registration. Work and personal referrals. And a safety course before owning a gun.
Oh and I ve never hunted for woodchucks; I learned at a very early age you never kill just to kill.
Hopefully we can argue over some beers at global citizen festival!!! Be good.
Mike

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

I misplaced my common sense? How? By arguing with actually statistics as opposed to raw emotion? I consider myself very intelligent having earned two degrees and a masters in administration.
If you actually read through my entire post you would have saw that I went wild boar and deer hunting with my ar15 and many people like to use that same rifle for woodchuck hunting.
Again if you read through my entire post you would also have read that I was for all sorts of background checks, gun registration and education/safety classes before owning a gun. How is that not common sense? Because I don t agree with you that all sorts of weapons should be banned? And after those weapons are banned what is next?
And I know our government won t take out weapons away; isn't the constitution a great thing?

I've heard of the AR15 used in boar hunting, but never for deer. The deer we used to hunt never allowed us to get that close. Killing woodchucks? Why? For fun (just to shoot shit)? You don't eat them do you? I'm not really down with that despite the fact they are considered a pest in our area.

I presented to you the positive correlation between gun ownership and gun homicide rates (per capita). The statistics are there as well, but I'm not going to present them here- I've already done that for others several times and to be frank... I'm growing weary of this discussion.

I have nothing against you personally, Gruff. You seem like a pretty good guy. Enjoy your guns. I'll keep my pessimistic view of US gun policies. And, as we remain divided on this issue... we can both enjoy Pearl Jam and the musical tastes we likely have in common.

Nothing personal here at all! I like debating but as soon as it gets nasty I back out. No need for that.
I do enjoy my guns but know things need to change. I m a father of five and a middle school teacher. The last thing I would ever want to see is another newtown. That s why to me the key is: lots of background checks. Mental health background checks. Gun registration. Work and personal referrals. And a safety course before owning a gun.
Oh and I ve never hunted for woodchucks; I learned at a very early age you never kill just to kill.
Hopefully we can argue over some beers at global citizen festival!!! Be good.
Mike

30 Bills: "This beer is waaaay better than that last beer."

McScruffy: "I don't know, man. I kinda liked that last one."

30 Bills and McScruffy: "Mmmm. Beer."

Be good yourself, Gruff!

Last-12-Exit

mcgruff10 said:

So freedom of press is only covered for the printing press? rights don't change just because technology does. So if you think the founding fathers created the second amendment based on muskets, checkout district of Columbia vs heller. Case closed.
And I still don't understand why a law abiding citizen such as myself can't own an ar-15 or ak47. Just because a few dozen people out of a country of over 300 million screwed up everyone should be punished? Hell let s bring back the 18th amendment since drunk driving is a real problem in this country.

What does Heller vs Columbia have to do with this? That has to do with the right to bring your gun home.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

I misplaced my common sense? How? By arguing with actually statistics as opposed to raw emotion? I consider myself very intelligent having earned two degrees and a masters in administration.
If you actually read through my entire post you would have saw that I went wild boar and deer hunting with my ar15 and many people like to use that same rifle for woodchuck hunting.
Again if you read through my entire post you would also have read that I was for all sorts of background checks, gun registration and education/safety classes before owning a gun. How is that not common sense? Because I don t agree with you that all sorts of weapons should be banned? And after those weapons are banned what is next?
And I know our government won t take out weapons away; isn't the constitution a great thing?

I've heard of the AR15 used in boar hunting, but never for deer. The deer we used to hunt never allowed us to get that close. Killing woodchucks? Why? For fun (just to shoot shit)? You don't eat them do you? I'm not really down with that despite the fact they are considered a pest in our area.

I presented to you the positive correlation between gun ownership and gun homicide rates (per capita). The statistics are there as well, but I'm not going to present them here- I've already done that for others several times and to be frank... I'm growing weary of this discussion.

I have nothing against you personally, Gruff. You seem like a pretty good guy. Enjoy your guns. I'll keep my pessimistic view of US gun policies. And, as we remain divided on this issue... we can both enjoy Pearl Jam and the musical tastes we likely have in common.

Nothing personal here at all! I like debating but as soon as it gets nasty I back out. No need for that.
I do enjoy my guns but know things need to change. I m a father of five and a middle school teacher. The last thing I would ever want to see is another newtown. That s why to me the key is: lots of background checks. Mental health background checks. Gun registration. Work and personal referrals. And a safety course before owning a gun.
Oh and I ve never hunted for woodchucks; I learned at a very early age you never kill just to kill.
Hopefully we can argue over some beers at global citizen festival!!! Be good.
Mike

30 Bills: "This beer is waaaay better than that last beer."

McScruffy: "I don't know, man. I kinda liked that last one."

30 Bills and McScruffy: "Mmmm. Beer."

Be good yourself, Gruff!

Lol! You too.

hedonist

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

I misplaced my common sense? How? By arguing with actually statistics as opposed to raw emotion? I consider myself very intelligent having earned two degrees and a masters in administration.
If you actually read through my entire post you would have saw that I went wild boar and deer hunting with my ar15 and many people like to use that same rifle for woodchuck hunting.
Again if you read through my entire post you would also have read that I was for all sorts of background checks, gun registration and education/safety classes before owning a gun. How is that not common sense? Because I don t agree with you that all sorts of weapons should be banned? And after those weapons are banned what is next?
And I know our government won t take out weapons away; isn't the constitution a great thing?

I've heard of the AR15 used in boar hunting, but never for deer. The deer we used to hunt never allowed us to get that close. Killing woodchucks? Why? For fun (just to shoot shit)? You don't eat them do you? I'm not really down with that despite the fact they are considered a pest in our area.

I presented to you the positive correlation between gun ownership and gun homicide rates (per capita). The statistics are there as well, but I'm not going to present them here- I've already done that for others several times and to be frank... I'm growing weary of this discussion.

I have nothing against you personally, Gruff. You seem like a pretty good guy. Enjoy your guns. I'll keep my pessimistic view of US gun policies. And, as we remain divided on this issue... we can both enjoy Pearl Jam and the musical tastes we likely have in common.

Nothing personal here at all! I like debating but as soon as it gets nasty I back out. No need for that.
I do enjoy my guns but know things need to change. I m a father of five and a middle school teacher. The last thing I would ever want to see is another newtown. That s why to me the key is: lots of background checks. Mental health background checks. Gun registration. Work and personal referrals. And a safety course before owning a gun.
Oh and I ve never hunted for woodchucks; I learned at a very early age you never kill just to kill.
Hopefully we can argue over some beers at global citizen festival!!! Be good.
Mike

I love when debates (actually, the debaters themselves) come to this kind of place.

Cheers to you both - have a great Sunday.

rr165892

I was thinking the same thing.Mcgruff had valid points backed up by fact and as a gun owner myself,I think if we could Get the majority of gun owners to be down with all the legislation Mcgruff brought up with fingerprinting,backround checks etc it would be a smart step in the right direction.Ar-15 are only a problem in the movies
.Crazys with multiple clips with a hand gun seem to be the big issue.Shit if you want max damage wouldn't a pump action shotgun with home defense shells that fragment be worse??? But no one is screaming about that stuff which you can get at any Dicks or Gander mtn?
We do need some common sense changes and smart law abiding gun owners should be leading that charge IMO.

PJfanwillneverleave1

It's very interesting seeing the mindset that Americans have towards gun ownership.
I am happy to see people like rr and mcgruff who encourage a red tape process to ownership.
I just know that if I came across either one of them in the forest and they were carrying this "Ar-15" I would immediately shit myself thinking they were a psycho killer on the loose.
There would be no time for talk, it would be run away as fast as you can and call the police.
At the end of the day I would be wrong about my assumption but at first meet you couldn't blame me for thinking that.
I guess in my world walking around with an Ar-15 is just not applicable.

mcgruff10

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

It's very interesting seeing the mindset that Americans have towards gun ownership.
I am happy to see people like rr and mcgruff who encourage a red tape process to ownership.
I just know that if I came across either one of them in the forest and they were carrying this "Ar-15" I would immediately shit myself thinking they were a psycho killer on the loose.
There would be no time for talk, it would be run away as fast as you can and call the police.
At the end of the day I would be wrong about my assumption but at first meet you couldn't blame me for thinking that.
I guess in my world walking around with an Ar-15 is just not applicable.

I appreciate the compliment and then the funny ass vision you left in my head lol. if you saw me in the forest i'd probably be with either my 68 year old father, 65 year old father in law or one of my five kids; hardly the look of a psycho killer.
where in the world do you live? and trust me, in the state of new jersey if you are walking around with an ar-15 you are going to see some serious jail time.

PJfanwillneverleave1

mcgruff10 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

It's very interesting seeing the mindset that Americans have towards gun ownership.
I am happy to see people like rr and mcgruff who encourage a red tape process to ownership.
I just know that if I came across either one of them in the forest and they were carrying this "Ar-15" I would immediately shit myself thinking they were a psycho killer on the loose.
There would be no time for talk, it would be run away as fast as you can and call the police.
At the end of the day I would be wrong about my assumption but at first meet you couldn't blame me for thinking that.
I guess in my world walking around with an Ar-15 is just not applicable.

I appreciate the compliment and then the funny ass vision you left in my head lol. if you saw me in the forest i'd probably be with either my 68 year old father, 65 year old father in law or one of my five kids; hardly the look of a psycho killer.
where in the world do you live? and trust me, in the state of new jersey if you are walking around with an ar-15 you are going to see some serious jail time.

I am your Northern neighbour buddy.
And I really do mean to compliment your attitude towards gun ownership, good on you.

mcgruff10

rr165892 said:

I was thinking the same thing.Mcgruff had valid points backed up by fact and as a gun owner myself,I think if we could Get the majority of gun owners to be down with all the legislation Mcgruff brought up with fingerprinting,backround checks etc it would be a smart step in the right direction.Ar-15 are only a problem in the movies
.Crazys with multiple clips with a hand gun seem to be the big issue.Shit if you want max damage wouldn't a pump action shotgun with home defense shells that fragment be worse??? But no one is screaming about that stuff which you can get at any Dicks or Gander mtn?
We do need some common sense changes and smart law abiding gun owners should be leading that charge IMO.

you make some really valid points. hand guns are easy as hell to conceal; ar-15's i guess are scary looking to some people but your chances of sneaking up on a crowd without anyone seeing you seems pretty hard. I'm not a hand gun person at all; it's the reason why I only have one. in time i'd like to buy a ww2 1911 like my grandfather carried during the war but something like that can wait.
I wish more gun owners were sensible with background checks and mandatory safety classes. to me the only reason why you are against background checks is because you have something to hide.
and totally agree with the shotgun....a 12 gauge with some 00 buckshot can do some nasty ass damage.

rr165892

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

It's very interesting seeing the mindset that Americans have towards gun ownership.
I am happy to see people like rr and mcgruff who encourage a red tape process to ownership.
I just know that if I came across either one of them in the forest and they were carrying this "Ar-15" I would immediately shit myself thinking they were a psycho killer on the loose.
There would be no time for talk, it would be run away as fast as you can and call the police.
At the end of the day I would be wrong about my assumption but at first meet you couldn't blame me for thinking that.
I guess in my world walking around with an Ar-15 is just not applicable.

Haha,I'm not a Hunter unless you consider choosing lean cuts of organic Chix and beef in the meat section at my local market hunting.
My shotgun dosent leave the house,And although I'm trained and licensed with a CCP I very rarely carry my hand gun on my person.I do keep a pistol locked away in my truck as sometimes I find myself in some very remote off the beaten path places with work.But It rarely gets unlocked.Every weapon I own is registered and every bit of ammo is acquired legally.Of all the regulations proposed the one I would take issue with is mandatory govt reporting and cataloging of a private citizens fire arm inventory.
We need to due a much better job enforcing the laws we already have enacted and closing some ridiculous loop holes including gun show /Internet loop holes.
PJ fan,It's not guys like us in the woods you have to worry about,but if you hear banjo music haul ass!!! Lol

chime

I don't know if this was shown in the US (or if it can be viewed outside the UK) but an Obama interview a few days ago on the BBC where he discusses gun control.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33629023

Godfather.

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I am of the opinion that no civilian needs to own or purchase ANY miltitary grade weapon.

well civilians don't.....the military uses the military grade weapons we get the civilian grade weapons.

Then why does my uncle and thousands of other people own AR-14's and AK-47's?

Those are civilian grade weapons!
The ar15 is civilians grade version of the m16. And the ak 47 s we have are nothing like what Isis uses. All of them are full auto. M16 s have grenade launchers on them, select fire....

Those are military grade weapons designed for warfare. The BS gun nuts are trying to spew with semantics is ridiculous.

I m a bull shit gun nut? Cool! However I m far from that. Yes i m in the nra but do believe in background checks and education before owning a gun.
Back to "semantics", Ask any vet If the ar 15 you buy in cabelas is the same as the one as you use in the military. every vet i've talked to said the difference is like night and day.
I use my ar15 for hunting (3 round clip), target shooting, home defense and competition. Ar 15 s are extremely accurate, reliable and popular. Over 3.5 million of them have been sold in the us so the chance of making them illegal is close to zero. and the us government says you can own an ar 15 but not a m16...see there is a difference because they are different weapons.
the a k47 is much for reliable than the ar15 but I don't like that weapon because it has zero accuracy.
I don't think I m playing semantics, rather I m using the correct definitions when talking about a subject I know a decent amount about.
and what is your justification in not allowing citizens to own these guns? I own two m1 garands, both will do a hell of a lot more damage than an ar15. This gun pretty much helped us win world war 2. You are saying these should be illegal because the military used them? I have a 1943 mauser k98 used by nazi germany. it's a bolt action rifle used in world war 2....illegal?
where does it stop? see the problem us gun nuts have? once you start making something illegal where does it end?

EDIT.

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

11 year old shoots 3 year old in the face.

He took a legal handgun that was kicking around the house- loaded- and shot a three year old in the face.

Charged with manslaughter.

This isn't the first time I've heard such a tragedy- maybe the first where the kid was charged with a crime though. Let me clarify... I've only heard of these types of events in Cletusville (USA) where they say there's no gun problem. How many gun deaths per year? 20,000? 16,000 homicides plus all the accidents and such?

Ridiculous... in so many ways.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/eleven-year-old-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-death-of-three-year-old-boy-in-detroit/ar-BBlsCSM

Last-12-Exit

I went to a call one time where a 5 year old boy and his 3 year old sister were watching TV in their parents room. Somehow, the 5 year old got his dad's sawed off shotgun and accidentally shot his sister in the stomach. She died in the ambulance on the way to the helicopter.

It was one of, if not the worst fire call I ever ran. The father was charged with several gun charges as well as child neglect. The shot gun was sawed off to about 18 inches. Making it very easy for the 5 year old boy to handle.

callen

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Excellent analogy.

Decent analogy. However if the bully has a rock why can't I have one
to protect my family?

And please learn the definition of an assault weapon. Assault weapons have been banned since 1986 in the USA. The weapon you refer to is a semi automatic rifle, not a fully automatic weapon. Assault weapon was a term coined by anti gunners.
Our troops have legit assault weapons, civilians do not.
And what s wrong with the guy protecting a recruiting station with his rifle? It s evident that he really believes in what he s doing.

RG already spoke to the characteristics of an assault rifle so I won't bother regurgitating what makes an assault rifle distinct from your standard, long barrelled rifle.

As to the analogy... how about we remove the rocks from the playground so the bully can't pick one up?

What's wrong with a guy protecting a recruiting station? If the idiot is discharging his weapon by accident... I think you know what's wrong with such a situation. A meathead has no business taking his guns into the public if he doesn't know how to freaking use them (and there are lots of people who don't know how to use them).

And don't condescend. I grew up around guns. I owned guns. I hunted. I shot things. I fished. All in the interior of British Columbia- not at the local gun range. I don't do any of those things for my own reasons, however, I'd let you know I'm thinking of taking up fishing again.

I respect people who own 'hunting' rifles for pursuing their own game. For people who spend time deep in the bush, I even support their right to a handgun.

remove all the rocks?! the problem with that is that criminals will find a way to get those "rocks" and law abiding citizens will be defenseless.

i'm not sure how I condescended. Like yourself, I grew up around guns. I'm 37 now and started walking the fields with my dad around age 7 and started hunting at 10. i've done my fair share of hunting in very remote parts of new york and new jersey.

If guns were made illegal, destroyed and no longer sold the price would become prohibitive for the average ignorant criminal. So now we distribute the rocks to everyone and that's what threatens me.

Like the SUV craze. Want a bigger vehicle to feel safe. Then everyone went to them and the poor schmuck that stuck with small car is killed by these humans when they plow into him.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

11 year old shoots 3 year old in the face.

He took a legal handgun that was kicking around the house- loaded- and shot a three year old in the face.

Charged with manslaughter.

This isn't the first time I've heard such a tragedy- maybe the first where the kid was charged with a crime though. Let me clarify... I've only heard of these types of events in Cletusville (USA) where they say there's no gun problem. How many gun deaths per year? 20,000? 16,000 homicides plus all the accidents and such?

Ridiculous... in so many ways.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/eleven-year-old-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-death-of-three-year-old-boy-in-detroit/ar-BBlsCSM

Between this and "mucky too" your humor is spot on today! Both gave me a half chuckle.

mcgruff10

callen said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Excellent analogy.

Decent analogy. However if the bully has a rock why can't I have one
to protect my family?

And please learn the definition of an assault weapon. Assault weapons have been banned since 1986 in the USA. The weapon you refer to is a semi automatic rifle, not a fully automatic weapon. Assault weapon was a term coined by anti gunners.
Our troops have legit assault weapons, civilians do not.
And what s wrong with the guy protecting a recruiting station with his rifle? It s evident that he really believes in what he s doing.

RG already spoke to the characteristics of an assault rifle so I won't bother regurgitating what makes an assault rifle distinct from your standard, long barrelled rifle.

As to the analogy... how about we remove the rocks from the playground so the bully can't pick one up?

What's wrong with a guy protecting a recruiting station? If the idiot is discharging his weapon by accident... I think you know what's wrong with such a situation. A meathead has no business taking his guns into the public if he doesn't know how to freaking use them (and there are lots of people who don't know how to use them).

And don't condescend. I grew up around guns. I owned guns. I hunted. I shot things. I fished. All in the interior of British Columbia- not at the local gun range. I don't do any of those things for my own reasons, however, I'd let you know I'm thinking of taking up fishing again.

I respect people who own 'hunting' rifles for pursuing their own game. For people who spend time deep in the bush, I even support their right to a handgun.

remove all the rocks?! the problem with that is that criminals will find a way to get those "rocks" and law abiding citizens will be defenseless.

i'm not sure how I condescended. Like yourself, I grew up around guns. I'm 37 now and started walking the fields with my dad around age 7 and started hunting at 10. i've done my fair share of hunting in very remote parts of new york and new jersey.

If guns were made illegal, destroyed and no longer sold the price would become prohibitive for the average ignorant criminal. So now we distribute the rocks to everyone and that's what threatens me.

Like the SUV craze. Want a bigger vehicle to feel safe. Then everyone went to them and the poor schmuck that stuck with small car is killed by these humans when they plow into him.

that little thing called the 2nd amendment kind of makes this impossible.

Godfather.

callen said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Excellent analogy.

Decent analogy. However if the bully has a rock why can't I have one
to protect my family?

And please learn the definition of an assault weapon. Assault weapons have been banned since 1986 in the USA. The weapon you refer to is a semi automatic rifle, not a fully automatic weapon. Assault weapon was a term coined by anti gunners.
Our troops have legit assault weapons, civilians do not.
And what s wrong with the guy protecting a recruiting station with his rifle? It s evident that he really believes in what he s doing.

RG already spoke to the characteristics of an assault rifle so I won't bother regurgitating what makes an assault rifle distinct from your standard, long barrelled rifle.

As to the analogy... how about we remove the rocks from the playground so the bully can't pick one up?

What's wrong with a guy protecting a recruiting station? If the idiot is discharging his weapon by accident... I think you know what's wrong with such a situation. A meathead has no business taking his guns into the public if he doesn't know how to freaking use them (and there are lots of people who don't know how to use them).

And don't condescend. I grew up around guns. I owned guns. I hunted. I shot things. I fished. All in the interior of British Columbia- not at the local gun range. I don't do any of those things for my own reasons, however, I'd let you know I'm thinking of taking up fishing again.

I respect people who own 'hunting' rifles for pursuing their own game. For people who spend time deep in the bush, I even support their right to a handgun.

remove all the rocks?! the problem with that is that criminals will find a way to get those "rocks" and law abiding citizens will be defenseless.

i'm not sure how I condescended. Like yourself, I grew up around guns. I'm 37 now and started walking the fields with my dad around age 7 and started hunting at 10. i've done my fair share of hunting in very remote parts of new york and new jersey.

If guns were made illegal, destroyed and no longer sold the price would become prohibitive for the average ignorant criminal. So now we distribute the rocks to everyone and that's what threatens me.

if guns were destroyed and no longer sold ...only criminals would have them and they would run wild with thier new found power, this aint England or one of those "no gun ownership countries" this is America and WE wont let anybody take away our guns and besides how many guns do you think are here in America ?........too many to let some asshat government and it's sheep collect and destroy them and too many people who would fight to the death for thier rights so .......nahhh it'll never happen.

Godfather.

Last-12-Exit

mcgruff10 said:

callen said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Excellent analogy.

Decent analogy. However if the bully has a rock why can't I have one
to protect my family?

And please learn the definition of an assault weapon. Assault weapons have been banned since 1986 in the USA. The weapon you refer to is a semi automatic rifle, not a fully automatic weapon. Assault weapon was a term coined by anti gunners.
Our troops have legit assault weapons, civilians do not.
And what s wrong with the guy protecting a recruiting station with his rifle? It s evident that he really believes in what he s doing.

RG already spoke to the characteristics of an assault rifle so I won't bother regurgitating what makes an assault rifle distinct from your standard, long barrelled rifle.

As to the analogy... how about we remove the rocks from the playground so the bully can't pick one up?

What's wrong with a guy protecting a recruiting station? If the idiot is discharging his weapon by accident... I think you know what's wrong with such a situation. A meathead has no business taking his guns into the public if he doesn't know how to freaking use them (and there are lots of people who don't know how to use them).

And don't condescend. I grew up around guns. I owned guns. I hunted. I shot things. I fished. All in the interior of British Columbia- not at the local gun range. I don't do any of those things for my own reasons, however, I'd let you know I'm thinking of taking up fishing again.

I respect people who own 'hunting' rifles for pursuing their own game. For people who spend time deep in the bush, I even support their right to a handgun.

remove all the rocks?! the problem with that is that criminals will find a way to get those "rocks" and law abiding citizens will be defenseless.

i'm not sure how I condescended. Like yourself, I grew up around guns. I'm 37 now and started walking the fields with my dad around age 7 and started hunting at 10. i've done my fair share of hunting in very remote parts of new york and new jersey.

If guns were made illegal, destroyed and no longer sold the price would become prohibitive for the average ignorant criminal. So now we distribute the rocks to everyone and that's what threatens me.

Like the SUV craze. Want a bigger vehicle to feel safe. Then everyone went to them and the poor schmuck that stuck with small car is killed by these humans when they plow into him.

that little thing called the 2nd amendment kind of makes this impossible.

Yes, but some guns could be banned. And should be.