America's Gun Violence

mcgruff10

Last-12-Exit said:

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
always cite more than one source when proving something:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/

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mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031

I was referring to the people that like to shoot guns the way gambsy was talking about. There's a huge difference between those people and simple gun owners.

Example: my brother owns 3 guns. He shoots each of them twice a year. He will fire each gun twice.
My uncle owns around 13 guns. He shoots them every opportunity he gets. At anything. Trees, grass, dirt, bails of hay or anything you can put in front of him. Basically wasting ammo. My uncle is the type of person gambsy was referring to.

mcgruff10

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
always cite more than one source when proving something:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/

oh sorry missed one....south of mason dixon line was referring to the post I quoted. very stereotypical of people living in the south. definitely doesn't resonate with the north east.

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mcgruff10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
always cite more than one source when proving something:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/

oh sorry missed one....south of mason dixon line was referring to the post I quoted. very stereotypical of people living in the south. definitely doesn't resonate with the north east.

I really wish there was an easier way to post the smileys. I knew what you were saying. I just couldn't put my bowed up chest and my worst southern accent in the post.

mcgruff10

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
always cite more than one source when proving something:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/

oh sorry missed one....south of mason dixon line was referring to the post I quoted. very stereotypical of people living in the south. definitely doesn't resonate with the north east.

I really wish there was an easier way to post the smileys. I knew what you were saying. I just couldn't put my bowed up chest and my worst southern accent in the post.

lol. got ya bud!

mcgruff10

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031

I was referring to the people that like to shoot guns the way gambsy was talking about. There's a huge difference between those people and simple gun owners.

Example: my brother owns 3 guns. He shoots each of them twice a year. He will fire each gun twice.
My uncle owns around 13 guns. He shoots them every opportunity he gets. At anything. Trees, grass, dirt, bails of hay or anything you can put in front of him. Basically wasting ammo. My uncle is the type of person gambsy was referring to.

well people that shoot like gambsy is referring too aren't exactly my cup of tea. no need to shoot shit up just to shoot shit up if you get my drift. the small minority of people will always ruin it for the masses in any system.
i mean let's say there are 100 million americans that own gun....there's what...99,950,000 responsible gun owners? if not more?

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mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031

I was referring to the people that like to shoot guns the way gambsy was talking about. There's a huge difference between those people and simple gun owners.

Example: my brother owns 3 guns. He shoots each of them twice a year. He will fire each gun twice.
My uncle owns around 13 guns. He shoots them every opportunity he gets. At anything. Trees, grass, dirt, bails of hay or anything you can put in front of him. Basically wasting ammo. My uncle is the type of person gambsy was referring to.

well people that shoot like gambsy is referring too aren't exactly my cup of tea. no need to shoot shit up just to shoot shit up if you get my drift. the small minority of people will always ruin it for the masses in any system.
i mean let's say there are 100 million americans that own gun....there's what...99,950,000 responsible gun owners? if not more?

I'd say that number is not accurate. But, how do you measure responsible?

mcgruff10

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031

I was referring to the people that like to shoot guns the way gambsy was talking about. There's a huge difference between those people and simple gun owners.

Example: my brother owns 3 guns. He shoots each of them twice a year. He will fire each gun twice.
My uncle owns around 13 guns. He shoots them every opportunity he gets. At anything. Trees, grass, dirt, bails of hay or anything you can put in front of him. Basically wasting ammo. My uncle is the type of person gambsy was referring to.

well people that shoot like gambsy is referring too aren't exactly my cup of tea. no need to shoot shit up just to shoot shit up if you get my drift. the small minority of people will always ruin it for the masses in any system.
i mean let's say there are 100 million americans that own gun....there's what...99,950,000 responsible gun owners? if not more?

I'd say that number is not accurate. But, how do you measure responsible?

you remind me of my ex wife....you argue every single detail even in the face of defeat. let's change tactics. how many out of 100 million are not responsible in your eyes? ok let's back track....99,900,000.... so 99.9% are responsible? ok let's go even further....99,800,000 are responsible gun owners......so 99.8 % are responsible?
responsible defined? no crimes committed lol.

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
always cite more than one source when proving something:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/

oh sorry missed one....south of mason dixon line was referring to the post I quoted. very stereotypical of people living in the south. definitely doesn't resonate with the north east.

I wasn't stereotyping the south, I was referencing my experience in east central Ohio, where that type of person is truly a dime a dozen.

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I am not arguing every little detail. I'm arguing your entire premise that most gun owners are responsible. I don't know how many are responsible gun owners.

What am I being defeated in? This argument? How can I lose a subjective argument? I'm not throwing around numbers as fact.

Last-12-Exit

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

mcgruff10

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I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Fine so 1,000,000 irresponsible Gun owners and 99% are responsible? (And one million is way high) The vast vast vast majority of gun owners are beyond responsible with kids in the house. And the vast majority of all gun owners are responsible. So according to you, what percentage of gun owners are irresponsible? So an unlocked gun is no good even if the ammo is secured? I think a loaded gun with no security is no good But in a safe is a ok.

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I don't know. I've already said that. There is no way measure who is and who is not responsible. And having an unlocked gun in the house with children is one way someone could be irresponsible. Not the only way.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...

RiotZact

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...

Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.

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RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...

Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.

That is an example of an irresponsible gun owner in my opinion.

mcgruff10

Last-12-Exit said:

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...

Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.

That is an example of an irresponsible gun owner in my opinion.

Totally agree. That s nuts