Don't get to worked up... the clock is ticking before your next one.
Canada has all the same shit as the USA that is typically and erroneously attributed to the causal factors for these depressing incidents (video games, drugs, lonesome losers, etc.).
The only 'real' difference between the two countries is the fact that one country is riddled with an obscene amount of guns with ineffective... no... non-existent gun legislation while the other doesn't.
It's a f**king joke to deny the obvious and you lie in the bed you make: so go bury your kids, neighbours.
Once you're done digging... go shoot some shit at the landfill. Yeehaw! I reckon ya figure if dem der boys hadda had der guns on 'em... there ain't nobody who'd be dead outside of dat der crazy feller?
Just absurd. I'm at our university this week getting recertified in 1st aid. I see all the kids on campus getting busy with their lives and what a fresh, exciting, vibrant place.
Has anyone stopped to think how these mass shootings may very well have changed fate and, for example, placed the cure for cancer in the ground?
I think the bolded part of your comment is offensive.
Let me put it a different way:
I feel badly you must place those beautiful, innocent children to rest.
I understand there are some that feel if all the kids had been walking around with sidearms, this tragedy could have been averted.
I also understand that there are some who don't want to be unfairly 'punished' and lose their freedom to have their weapon of choice because of the actions of others: freedom comes with a price.
* I hope this is better- sorry for my offhand methodology in my initial attempt to make my points.
And they say sarcasm doesn't come across in type. Well done!
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Don't get to worked up... the clock is ticking before your next one.
Canada has all the same shit as the USA that is typically and erroneously attributed to the causal factors for these depressing incidents (video games, drugs, lonesome losers, etc.).
The only 'real' difference between the two countries is the fact that one country is riddled with an obscene amount of guns with ineffective... no... non-existent gun legislation while the other doesn't.
It's a f**king joke to deny the obvious and you lie in the bed you make: so go bury your kids, neighbours.
Once you're done digging... go shoot some shit at the landfill. Yeehaw! I reckon ya figure if dem der boys hadda had der guns on 'em... there ain't nobody who'd be dead outside of dat der crazy feller?
Just absurd. I'm at our university this week getting recertified in 1st aid. I see all the kids on campus getting busy with their lives and what a fresh, exciting, vibrant place.
Has anyone stopped to think how these mass shootings may very well have changed fate and, for example, placed the cure for cancer in the ground?
I think the bolded part of your comment is offensive.
Let me put it a different way:
I feel badly you must place those beautiful, innocent children to rest.
I understand there are some that feel if all the kids had been walking around with sidearms, this tragedy could have been averted.
I also understand that there are some who don't want to be unfairly 'punished' and lose their freedom to have their weapon of choice because of the actions of others: freedom comes with a price.
* I hope this is better- sorry for my offhand methodology in my initial attempt to make my points.
And they say sarcasm doesn't come across in type. Well done!
Cuz not everyone in this country is a Yosemite Sam cartoon? Cuz I was born here, never touched a gun my life, and did not make this bed you're telling me I have to lie in? Cuz I don't think people should have guns and I don't support this idea that we live in the wild west and need to shoot or be shot?
I dunno how you want to me to explain to you how that sentence is an unfair and offensive characterisation if you can't see that just by reading it.
Gee. Truth hurts I guess.
What do you want a person to say? The Yosemite Sams dictate policy.
Your country has had 137... yes... ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN school shootings in America since Sandy Hook.
Your country seems to have accepted this as par for the course. It's becoming normal isn't it? And why? Because you have some Yosemite Sams that want to shoot shit. They love their guns. They pound their fists harder on table tops. And they get their way.
Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your leadership for failing to address a problem that is as obvious as a festering boil on the end of your nose. Every country has disenfranchised youth- they just don't have the proliferation of guns (you're the most armed country in the world) or the expression of anger and frustration through the use of such easily accessed weapons.
I'm not mad at you bro I don't know you. Don't tell me how to be. I dunno how many times I gotta say that I don't support guns. That the president of the country I live in gets up on the news and is visibly frustrated that he can't get the gun laws to be more restricted. THE PRESIDENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING. Can you even think about that for a minute without just making nasty generalizations? The problem with guns here is fucking ridiculous on such a scale that it seems impossible to fix.
You know what doesn't help? People saying stupid shit about it.
Well then f**k it. Just accept it.
This is what I hear you saying. I'm pretty sure this is what gun advocates want their opponents saying too.
The point I want to make to all the international 10c-ers reading this thread is exactly how out of hand this is, that regular citizens cannot do anything about it. I'm not saying "fuck it, accept it." I'm saying "dear God please help us, we have to do something here but we're politically fucking trapped" (and no, that's not a literal plea To a higher power is just an expression)
To be clear, I live in a blue state. My state has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. The major of my city has already called for gun control. The governor of my state has already called for gun control. The president of my country has already called for gun control.
Short of moving to Texas and voting for candidates that support gun control, there's nothing that us non-cartoon citizens can do anymore. We've reached peak Idiocracy on gun laws. Why I'm addressing your comments is specifically to dispel this perception that normal level headed Americans are allowing this stuff to happen. That's not how our government works. at this point we're basically being held hostage by people who think guns are cool. I think, (I came to this conclusion after Sandy hook) that at this point the only way ANYTHING is going to change is in time, when demographics change.
And it begins. The stories about lone-wolf gunman Chris Harper-Mercer will fill media streams today. We'll hear about his desire to be noticed, his abnormal personality and how there were 'signs' that this could have been prevented. Soon we'll be hearing how guns don't kill people people kill people and that more guns on campus is the obvious answer.
In the end, Harper-Mercer got everything he wanted. He got his fifteen minutes of fame; he got his crime addressed by the president and now the world knows his name. Of course there will be a two or three day discussion on how this might be prevented in the future and then the world will move on for a month or two until the next loser takes up the cause and seeks out their own fame and glory.
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Say No to ‘The New Normal’ — Five Things You Can Do About Gun Violence June 13, 2014
1) Change Our Culture
The aim of the gun lobby is to make the open and concealed carry of guns the norm everywhere, from pre-schools to airports — it’s entirely ahistorical. So let’s take our culture in the exact opposite direction. Join groups like Moms Demand Action and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence as they tell companies like Target and Visa that guns are not toys, and they should not be allowing them in stores or funding the NRA with affiliate card programs.
Let Target know that if loaded guns are going to be left in the toy aisle for your children to find, you’ll find another place to shop. And if Visa is going to partner with the NRA, perhaps you’ll find another credit card, thank you.
2) Stop Investing in Guns
The Campaign to Unload has done a brilliant job of pressuring large private equity firms, hedge funds and other investors to get out of the business of guns. This has led to over $171 million being pulled out of gun companies in 2013 alone. But you have a role to play in this, too. Contact your 401(K) manager and tell her you do not wish to be invested in any funds that own gun-manufacturer stocks.
Find out where they are holding a rally — outside a large investment firm near you! — and go join them. Let those who profit from the death of our children know that it is not enough to not be affiliated with the NRA – they have to keep their resources clear of gun stocks in the same way that divesting from South Africa once helped end apartheid. This is a hugely important solution to this problem, and it’s as easy as a phone call for you. So what are you waiting for?
3) Make Corporations Get Off the Sidelines
On economic policy, many people rightfully see corporate America as a hindrance and not a help. But on some of the great social issues of our time, the involvement of big business has helped bring about real change. From civil rights to women’s rights to gay rights, when large corporations see that it is in their own interest — because it’s in their customers’ interests — to bring about change, they get involved.
Right now, a group I do some consulting with, The National Gun Victims Action Council, has issued a bold challenge. It involves Hallmark, a company that not only allows guns in its stores, but also once promised the arms lobby that they love guns — they really love them — and rejected an open letter from NGVAC and the Newtown Victims & Clergy for Corporate Responsibility (NVCCR) to change their policy.
So the same groups have challenged us to boycott Hallmark for Father’s Day. If you choose to buy your cards at The National Gun Victims Action Council’s website, instead of at Hallmark, the money you spend will help victims of gun violence. Then ask Hallmark, 90 percent of whose customers support universal background checks, to do what other socially progressive companies have done in the past: Get off the sidelines, and use its lobbyists to advocate for all the fathers and sons who buy its products and want to spend many more Father’s Days at restaurants or parks, not cemeteries.
4) Make Politicians Uncomfortable
Show up at rallies to decry politicians who refuse to vote for the universal background checks that 90 percent of us support. Bird dog them with cellphone cameras and ask them why they’d allow more children and police officers to die. Tweet at them. Leave comments on their Facebook pages. Call their offices in their home districts and in Washington, DC. Hold vigils outside their offices. There are all sorts of peaceful ways to put pressure on politicians.
Let them know you will vote on this issue, no matter what else they do. They will be held accountable for watching a slow motion slaughter of America’s youth if they choose to do nothing. Just as with corporations, there is no neutral here. Either you support sane gun laws or you are part of the problem.
5) Use Your Voice
You are consequential. You have a voice. You have reading clubs, Facebook friends, bridge parties, etc. Make sure everyone knows your feelings on this issue, and arm yourself with the facts for when you inevitably encounter those who have a strange form of separation anxiety if their gun is in another room.
Most importantly, if your kids are headed to play at someone’s house, ask them 1) if they have a gun, and if they do, 2) is it securely locked away with the ammunition separate from the weapon? Too many children die of accidents every month because parents neglect do to this. It may be an uncomfortable conversation, but think of the alternative.
Also, as speech now equals money (actually it doesn’t, but let’s play along with this inane Supreme Court decision for a second), if you have the funds, you could give money to candidates promising to support reasonable restrictions, and groups such as Everytown for Gun Safety and Americans for Responsible Solutions (Gabby Giffords’ group) so they can take on those who have blocked commonsense solutions to gun violence and help get us a Congress (and state legislatures) that will act in the interests of the public rather than the gun lobby.
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Same old story. It's getter harder and harder for the right wing to ignore the facts. We need stricter gun laws and regulation. It's coming...the mountain of bodies just keep piling up until the GOP grows some balls.
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Same old story. It's getter harder and harder for the right wing to ignore the facts. We need stricter gun laws and regulation. It's coming...the mountain of bodies just keep piling up until the GOP grows some balls.
You do realize that oregon does have background checks. check it: Washington (AFP) - Oregon, the location of the latest deadly US mass shooting, had recently strengthened its gun sale laws, like many Democrat-leaning states frustrated over political inaction at the federal level.
The US state is above average in terms of gun regulation, according to Laura Cutilletta, a senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a leading advocacy group in California.
Local elected officials this year made universal background checks mandatory before the sale of any firearm in Oregon, one of 18 out of 50 states to do so. Elsewhere in the United States, sales at gun shows or on the Internet are not subject to such controls, a known loophole.
Same old story. It's getter harder and harder for the right wing to ignore the facts. We need stricter gun laws and regulation. It's coming...the mountain of bodies just keep piling up until the GOP grows some balls.
You do realize that oregon does have background checks. check it: Washington (AFP) - Oregon, the location of the latest deadly US mass shooting, had recently strengthened its gun sale laws, like many Democrat-leaning states frustrated over political inaction at the federal level.
The US state is above average in terms of gun regulation, according to Laura Cutilletta, a senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a leading advocacy group in California.
Local elected officials this year made universal background checks mandatory before the sale of any firearm in Oregon, one of 18 out of 50 states to do so. Elsewhere in the United States, sales at gun shows or on the Internet are not subject to such controls, a known loophole.
"above average in terms of gun regulation" is actually not saying much.
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Same old story. It's getter harder and harder for the right wing to ignore the facts. We need stricter gun laws and regulation. It's coming...the mountain of bodies just keep piling up until the GOP grows some balls.
You do realize that oregon does have background checks. check it: Washington (AFP) - Oregon, the location of the latest deadly US mass shooting, had recently strengthened its gun sale laws, like many Democrat-leaning states frustrated over political inaction at the federal level.
The US state is above average in terms of gun regulation, according to Laura Cutilletta, a senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a leading advocacy group in California.
Local elected officials this year made universal background checks mandatory before the sale of any firearm in Oregon, one of 18 out of 50 states to do so. Elsewhere in the United States, sales at gun shows or on the Internet are not subject to such controls, a known loophole.
Which fail... like all the other checks in place. Just like pot... anyone who wants it can simply go get it. 'You know... it's illegal right?' doesn't cut it when asserting the right checks are in place to prevent people from obtaining it.
This can't be the 'go to' line when trying to defend guns after each new senseless shooting. The bottom line is that the US is the most armed country in the world. All those guns don't just like there idle: as has been demonstrated... many get put to use and they perform exactly as intended- they kill things.
You know... in the last decade... laws were put in effect where people needed to pay for their gas before purchasing. These laws were placed in effect so that attendants weren't hurt trying to chase after thieves. There weren't a lot of attendants killed by thieves, but there were enough to warrant policy change to safeguard the workers: yup... more rules and laws to safeguard the transportation industry.
With over 16,000 gun homicides per year... and not even counting the accidents and other deaths by guns... you'd think people would be interested in applying more effective legislation so that they didn't get phone calls from authorities letting them know their child was randomly murdered in a mass shooting.
Same old story. It's getter harder and harder for the right wing to ignore the facts. We need stricter gun laws and regulation. It's coming...the mountain of bodies just keep piling up until the GOP grows some balls.
You do realize that oregon does have background checks. check it: Washington (AFP) - Oregon, the location of the latest deadly US mass shooting, had recently strengthened its gun sale laws, like many Democrat-leaning states frustrated over political inaction at the federal level.
The US state is above average in terms of gun regulation, according to Laura Cutilletta, a senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a leading advocacy group in California.
Local elected officials this year made universal background checks mandatory before the sale of any firearm in Oregon, one of 18 out of 50 states to do so. Elsewhere in the United States, sales at gun shows or on the Internet are not subject to such controls, a known loophole.
Do we know when this guy made his purchases?
Regulation is just one piece of the puzzle. Reasonable regulation.
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This Oregon massacre is so crazy. I heard on the news this morning that Pres. Obama has had to speak 15 times in his presidency after a shooting such as this one. How many have there been since Columbine? It wouldn't suprise me if its happened in every state now--so sad. :( My heart goes out to all the victims, their families and everyone involved.
Same old story. It's getter harder and harder for the right wing to ignore the facts. We need stricter gun laws and regulation. It's coming...the mountain of bodies just keep piling up until the GOP grows some balls.
You do realize that oregon does have background checks. check it: Washington (AFP) - Oregon, the location of the latest deadly US mass shooting, had recently strengthened its gun sale laws, like many Democrat-leaning states frustrated over political inaction at the federal level.
The US state is above average in terms of gun regulation, according to Laura Cutilletta, a senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a leading advocacy group in California.
Local elected officials this year made universal background checks mandatory before the sale of any firearm in Oregon, one of 18 out of 50 states to do so. Elsewhere in the United States, sales at gun shows or on the Internet are not subject to such controls, a known loophole.
uh....common sense tells you that whatever miniscule changes were made weren't enough
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This Oregon massacre is so crazy. I heard on the news this morning that Pres. Obama has had to speak 15 times in his presidency after a shooting such as this one. How many have there been since Columbine? It wouldn't suprise me if its happened in every state now--so sad. :( My heart goes out to all the victims, their families and everyone involved.
He said that he is going to come out and give the same speech each time it happens.
Sweeping changes don't mean that massacres won't happen. They also don't mean that criminals won't be able to access guns.
A rational society simply makes it as difficult as possible for those people to have access to guns. That's the goal you right wingers....no one believes that stricter gun laws will make the USA a happy place but at least we will have done the bare minimum that a rational society with half a brain would do.
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Same old story. It's getter harder and harder for the right wing to ignore the facts. We need stricter gun laws and regulation. It's coming...the mountain of bodies just keep piling up until the GOP grows some balls.
You do realize that oregon does have background checks. check it: Washington (AFP) - Oregon, the location of the latest deadly US mass shooting, had recently strengthened its gun sale laws, like many Democrat-leaning states frustrated over political inaction at the federal level.
The US state is above average in terms of gun regulation, according to Laura Cutilletta, a senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a leading advocacy group in California.
Local elected officials this year made universal background checks mandatory before the sale of any firearm in Oregon, one of 18 out of 50 states to do so. Elsewhere in the United States, sales at gun shows or on the Internet are not subject to such controls, a known loophole.
Do we know when this guy made his purchases?
Regulation is just one piece of the puzzle. Reasonable regulation.
I haven't read anything about that yet. I m thinking it s too early for that info. He might have bought the guns before background checks were law.
Does anyone else find it interesting that 92% of mass shootings occur in posted "Gun Free Zones "? To a person who is bent on killing a lot of people, "Gun Free Zone " translates to Target-rich environment with little resistance".
That statistic came from the Diane Rehm Show on NPR.
I know that my thoughts and opinions on this matter aren't popular on these boards, but don't you think that there is something to be said for legalizing concealed carry on college campuses to those qualified?
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The failed attempt to reinstate The Assault Weapons Ban, even with its litany of exceptions, loopholes & concessions, was one of many low points for governance "by the people , for the people". It is infuriating & frustrating & embarrassing how dysfunctional government has become & how tightly the NRA gun lobbies have a stranglehold on politicians ' balls & wallets. It seems to be a perfectly reasonable idea that assault weapons (meaning guns that were not intended for hunting & protection; designed for the military whose job in war is to kill as many people as possible in a quick, efficient steady stream of high powered ammunition that rips apart bodies with explosive force) should not be owned by a regular citizen nor should extended magazines. There isn't any conceivable NEED for these weapons to be legal. They have one purpose - mass killings of humans who are unable to survive their impact & cannot escape due to the amount of bullets they can fire without reloading.
This wouldn't save those who are killed by handguns bought without background checks in the majority of states or at gun shows where any person with evil intent can purchase any gun with no fear of a background check. Why background checks are not required everywhere a gun or ammo is sold is beyond belief. Never mind a waiting period. If a person HAS TO HAVE a gun IMMEDIATELY it should be a humongous red flag. But all of these seemingly logical safeguards are warped into an infringement of Second Amendment rights.
We have far too many loopholes & the Second Amendment has been stretched to a level the founding fathers would find abhorrent, I believe. Nothing would stop all deaths caused by guns but as a civilized society there is no excuse for inaction on gun control on assault weapons, large magazines, background checks & the gun show loophole.
And the new focus on the mentally ill & pressing charges against someone who provides an "at risk" person a gun actually pisses me off. It is so hypocritical. These same people who embrace this as a compromise are against providing health care to, among others, those with psychiatric disorders. There still isn't mental health parity in the United States! This offends the conscience & is discriminatory. The brain is an organ, like the heart, pancreas, lungs. Yet in 2015, it is treated differently. Most "mentally ill " people are no more a threat to others than a non-violent diabetic. Proper health care, parity, & promoting awareness & education to remove the stigma associated with disorders of the brain are desperately needed; not scapegoating already vastly misunderstood illnesses as a political maneuver.
Does anyone else find it interesting that 92% of mass shootings occur in posted "Gun Free Zones "? To a person who is bent on killing a lot of people, "Gun Free Zone " translates to Target-rich environment with little resistance".
That statistic came from the Diane Rehm Show on NPR.
I know that my thoughts and opinions on this matter aren't popular on these boards, but don't you think that there is something to be said for legalizing concealed carry to those qualified?
"Gun Free Zone" is just a way to get harsher penalties on criminals. If they get caught with a gun in a GFZ it is a stronger sentence.
Obviously a GFZ doesn't mean you have to walk through a metal detector...lots of responsible gun owners still have their concealed weapons, you can guarantee that.
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The failed attempt to reinstate The Assault Weapons Ban, even with its litany of exceptions, loopholes & concessions, was one of many low points for governance "by the people , for the people". It is infuriating & frustrating & embarrassing how dysfunctional government has become & how tightly the NRA gun lobbies have a stranglehold on politicians ' balls & wallets. It seems to be a perfectly reasonable idea that assault weapons (meaning guns that were not intended for hunting & protection; designed for the military whose job in war is to kill as many people as possible in a quick, efficient steady stream of high powered ammunition that rips apart bodies with explosive force) should not be owned by a regular citizen nor should extended magazines. There isn't any conceivable NEED for these weapons to be legal. They have one purpose - mass killings of humans who are unable to survive their impact & cannot escape due to the amount of bullets they can fire without reloading.
This wouldn't save those who are killed by handguns bought without background checks in the majority of states or at gun shows where any person with evil intent can purchase any gun with no fear of a background check. Why background checks are not required everywhere a gun or ammo is sold is beyond belief. Never mind a waiting period. If a person HAS TO HAVE a gun IMMEDIATELY it should be a humongous red flag. But all of these seemingly logical safeguards are warped into an infringement of Second Amendment rights.
We have far too many loopholes & the Second Amendment has been stretched to a level the founding fathers would find abhorrent, I believe. Nothing would stop all deaths caused by guns but as a civilized society there is no excuse for inaction on gun control on assault weapons, large magazines, background checks & the gun show loophole.
And the new focus on the mentally ill & pressing charges against someone who provides an "at risk" person a gun actually pisses me off. It is so hypocritical. These same people who embrace this as a compromise are against providing health care to, among others, those with psychiatric disorders. There still isn't mental health parity in the United States! This offends the conscience & is discriminatory. The brain is an organ, like the heart, pancreas, lungs. Yet in 2015, it is treated differently. Most "mentally ill " people are no more a threat to others than a non-violent diabetic. Proper health care, parity, & promoting awareness & education to remove the stigma associated with disorders of the brain are desperately needed; not scapegoating already vastly misunderstood illnesses as a political maneuver.
IMHO.
exactly...it's like when did a "Well Regulated Militia" turn into complete unregulated trade of weapons among criminals and the mentally ill?
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i mean, americans are safe from gun violence.
except at kindergarden
and high school
and college
and work
and the mall
and the movie theater
and the military base
and the gun range
and church
that is off the top of my head, so i am sure i am missing many more.
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To be clear, I live in a blue state. My state has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.
The major of my city has already called for gun control.
The governor of my state has already called for gun control.
The president of my country has already called for gun control.
Short of moving to Texas and voting for candidates that support gun control, there's nothing that us non-cartoon citizens can do anymore. We've reached peak Idiocracy on gun laws. Why I'm addressing your comments is specifically to dispel this perception that normal level headed Americans are allowing this stuff to happen. That's not how our government works. at this point we're basically being held hostage by people who think guns are cool. I think, (I came to this conclusion after Sandy hook) that at this point the only way ANYTHING is going to change is in time, when demographics change.
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Paranoia will destroy ya............
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When will enough be enough?
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And it begins. The stories about lone-wolf gunman Chris Harper-Mercer will fill media streams today. We'll hear about his desire to be noticed, his abnormal personality and how there were 'signs' that this could have been prevented. Soon we'll be hearing how guns don't kill people people kill people and that more guns on campus is the obvious answer.
In the end, Harper-Mercer got everything he wanted. He got his fifteen minutes of fame; he got his crime addressed by the president and now the world knows his name. Of course there will be a two or three day discussion on how this might be prevented in the future and then the world will move on for a month or two until the next loser takes up the cause and seeks out their own fame and glory.
FIVE FRIGHTENING FACTS ABOUT GUNS AND WOMEN...
46
Number of American women shot to death each month by current or former intimate partners.
500%
A woman is this much more likely to be killed in a domestic violence situation where a gun is present.
44%
Proportion of women murdered with guns who were killed by current or former intimate partners (in 2011).
57%
Proportion of mass shootings that involve incidents of domestic violence (2009-2013).
1100%
Women in the U.S. are this much more likely to be murdered with guns than women in other high-income countries.
...AND TWO HOPEFUL ONES
38%
This many fewer women are murdered by intimate partners in states that require background checks for all handgun sales.
250,000
Number of attempted gun sales to domestic abusers that background checks have already prevented.
Stats via Mayors Against Illegal Guns
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115404/guns-and-domestic-violence-five-facts-about-how-women-are-murdered
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
http://billmoyers.com/2014/06/13/say-no-to-the-new-normal-five-things-you-can-do-about-gun-violence/
Say No to ‘The New Normal’ — Five Things You Can Do About Gun Violence
June 13, 2014
1) Change Our Culture
The aim of the gun lobby is to make the open and concealed carry of guns the norm everywhere, from pre-schools to airports — it’s entirely ahistorical. So let’s take our culture in the exact opposite direction. Join groups like Moms Demand Action and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence as they tell companies like Target and Visa that guns are not toys, and they should not be allowing them in stores or funding the NRA with affiliate card programs.
Let Target know that if loaded guns are going to be left in the toy aisle for your children to find, you’ll find another place to shop. And if Visa is going to partner with the NRA, perhaps you’ll find another credit card, thank you.
2) Stop Investing in Guns
The Campaign to Unload has done a brilliant job of pressuring large private equity firms, hedge funds and other investors to get out of the business of guns. This has led to over $171 million being pulled out of gun companies in 2013 alone. But you have a role to play in this, too. Contact your 401(K) manager and tell her you do not wish to be invested in any funds that own gun-manufacturer stocks.
Find out where they are holding a rally — outside a large investment firm near you! — and go join them. Let those who profit from the death of our children know that it is not enough to not be affiliated with the NRA – they have to keep their resources clear of gun stocks in the same way that divesting from South Africa once helped end apartheid. This is a hugely important solution to this problem, and it’s as easy as a phone call for you. So what are you waiting for?
3) Make Corporations Get Off the Sidelines
On economic policy, many people rightfully see corporate America as a hindrance and not a help. But on some of the great social issues of our time, the involvement of big business has helped bring about real change. From civil rights to women’s rights to gay rights, when large corporations see that it is in their own interest — because it’s in their customers’ interests — to bring about change, they get involved.
Right now, a group I do some consulting with, The National Gun Victims Action Council, has issued a bold challenge. It involves Hallmark, a company that not only allows guns in its stores, but also once promised the arms lobby that they love guns — they really love them — and rejected an open letter from NGVAC and the Newtown Victims & Clergy for Corporate Responsibility (NVCCR) to change their policy.
So the same groups have challenged us to boycott Hallmark for Father’s Day. If you choose to buy your cards at The National Gun Victims Action Council’s website, instead of at Hallmark, the money you spend will help victims of gun violence. Then ask Hallmark, 90 percent of whose customers support universal background checks, to do what other socially progressive companies have done in the past: Get off the sidelines, and use its lobbyists to advocate for all the fathers and sons who buy its products and want to spend many more Father’s Days at restaurants or parks, not cemeteries.
4) Make Politicians Uncomfortable
Show up at rallies to decry politicians who refuse to vote for the universal background checks that 90 percent of us support. Bird dog them with cellphone cameras and ask them why they’d allow more children and police officers to die. Tweet at them. Leave comments on their Facebook pages. Call their offices in their home districts and in Washington, DC. Hold vigils outside their offices. There are all sorts of peaceful ways to put pressure on politicians.
Let them know you will vote on this issue, no matter what else they do. They will be held accountable for watching a slow motion slaughter of America’s youth if they choose to do nothing. Just as with corporations, there is no neutral here. Either you support sane gun laws or you are part of the problem.
5) Use Your Voice
You are consequential. You have a voice. You have reading clubs, Facebook friends, bridge parties, etc. Make sure everyone knows your feelings on this issue, and arm yourself with the facts for when you inevitably encounter those who have a strange form of separation anxiety if their gun is in another room.
Most importantly, if your kids are headed to play at someone’s house, ask them 1) if they have a gun, and if they do, 2) is it securely locked away with the ammunition separate from the weapon? Too many children die of accidents every month because parents neglect do to this. It may be an uncomfortable conversation, but think of the alternative.
Also, as speech now equals money (actually it doesn’t, but let’s play along with this inane Supreme Court decision for a second), if you have the funds, you could give money to candidates promising to support reasonable restrictions, and groups such as Everytown for Gun Safety and Americans for Responsible Solutions (Gabby Giffords’ group) so they can take on those who have blocked commonsense solutions to gun violence and help get us a Congress (and state legislatures) that will act in the interests of the public rather than the gun lobby.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Washington (AFP) - Oregon, the location of the latest deadly US mass shooting, had recently strengthened its gun sale laws, like many Democrat-leaning states frustrated over political inaction at the federal level.
The US state is above average in terms of gun regulation, according to Laura Cutilletta, a senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a leading advocacy group in California.
Local elected officials this year made universal background checks mandatory before the sale of any firearm in Oregon, one of 18 out of 50 states to do so. Elsewhere in the United States, sales at gun shows or on the Internet are not subject to such controls, a known loophole.
This can't be the 'go to' line when trying to defend guns after each new senseless shooting. The bottom line is that the US is the most armed country in the world. All those guns don't just like there idle: as has been demonstrated... many get put to use and they perform exactly as intended- they kill things.
You know... in the last decade... laws were put in effect where people needed to pay for their gas before purchasing. These laws were placed in effect so that attendants weren't hurt trying to chase after thieves. There weren't a lot of attendants killed by thieves, but there were enough to warrant policy change to safeguard the workers: yup... more rules and laws to safeguard the transportation industry.
With over 16,000 gun homicides per year... and not even counting the accidents and other deaths by guns... you'd think people would be interested in applying more effective legislation so that they didn't get phone calls from authorities letting them know their child was randomly murdered in a mass shooting.
Regulation is just one piece of the puzzle. Reasonable regulation.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Sweeping changes don't mean that massacres won't happen. They also don't mean that criminals won't be able to access guns.
A rational society simply makes it as difficult as possible for those people to have access to guns. That's the goal you right wingers....no one believes that stricter gun laws will make the USA a happy place but at least we will have done the bare minimum that a rational society with half a brain would do.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
That statistic came from the Diane Rehm Show on NPR.
I know that my thoughts and opinions on this matter aren't popular on these boards, but don't you think that there is something to be said for legalizing concealed carry on college campuses to those qualified?
This wouldn't save those who are killed by handguns bought without background checks in the majority of states or at gun shows where any person with evil intent can purchase any gun with no fear of a background check. Why background checks are not required everywhere a gun or ammo is sold is beyond belief. Never mind a waiting period. If a person HAS TO HAVE a gun IMMEDIATELY it should be a humongous red flag. But all of these seemingly logical safeguards are warped into an infringement of Second Amendment rights.
We have far too many loopholes & the Second Amendment has been stretched to a level the founding fathers would find abhorrent, I believe. Nothing would stop all deaths caused by guns but as a civilized society there is no excuse for inaction on gun control on assault weapons, large magazines, background checks & the gun show loophole.
And the new focus on the mentally ill & pressing charges against someone who provides an "at risk" person a gun actually pisses me off. It is so hypocritical. These same people who embrace this as a compromise are against providing health care to, among others, those with psychiatric disorders. There still isn't mental health parity in the United States! This offends the conscience & is discriminatory. The brain is an organ, like the heart, pancreas, lungs. Yet in 2015, it is treated differently. Most "mentally ill " people are no more a threat to others than a non-violent diabetic. Proper health care, parity, & promoting awareness & education to remove the stigma associated with disorders of the brain are desperately needed; not scapegoating already vastly misunderstood illnesses as a political maneuver.
IMHO.
Obviously a GFZ doesn't mean you have to walk through a metal detector...lots of responsible gun owners still have their concealed weapons, you can guarantee that.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana