America's Gun Violence

Gern Blansten

goingtoverona said:

stand in awe? nah. what do we have here? we have a dumb shit who took the orange safety thing off the tip of his bb gun to make it look like a real gun. which it does, I saw the picture. he took that gun out in public and was pointing it at people, which is why there was a call placed to 911. cops said when they showed up they saw the gun on the bench, the kid grabbed it and put it in his waistband. when they told him to get his hands up he reached for the gun and then he got wasted. whether what the cops said is true or not is hard to say, that video sucks ass, it doesn't show everything, frames are missing, and it's really blurry before during and after they shoot him. bottom line was, people thought he had a gun, he was scaring the shit out of people and the cops came to protect the general public. yeah it sucks he's dead, sucks he was just 12, but if you play with fire you get burned.

Yeah...stand in awe....I said exactly what I meant. That description of events is pretty detailed given it took two seconds for the car to arrive and the kid to be dead.

oftenreading

An interesting article from December 2013 about gun deaths in the US in 2013, recently republished/updated. In it the author chronicles attempts to record and publicize all gun deaths for a year, and finds this a difficult task.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2013/12/newtown_anniversary_what_slate_learned_from_trying_and_failing_to_record.html

josevolution

Gern Blansten said:

goingtoverona said:

stand in awe? nah. what do we have here? we have a dumb shit who took the orange safety thing off the tip of his bb gun to make it look like a real gun. which it does, I saw the picture. he took that gun out in public and was pointing it at people, which is why there was a call placed to 911. cops said when they showed up they saw the gun on the bench, the kid grabbed it and put it in his waistband. when they told him to get his hands up he reached for the gun and then he got wasted. whether what the cops said is true or not is hard to say, that video sucks ass, it doesn't show everything, frames are missing, and it's really blurry before during and after they shoot him. bottom line was, people thought he had a gun, he was scaring the shit out of people and the cops came to protect the general public. yeah it sucks he's dead, sucks he was just 12, but if you play with fire you get burned.

Yeah...stand in awe....I said exactly what I meant. That description of events is pretty detailed given it took two seconds for the car to arrive and the kid to be dead.

Two seconds to pull up determine he was a threat to others bang bang your dead , that is awful .

Last-12-Exit

rgambs said:

It's pretty fucked up that you are legally allowed to carry a gun in plain sight, and the cops are legally allowed to shoot you for it.
How does that make any sense at all????

The police have always been legally allowed to shoot you. We give them that authority. I know what your meant when you said that, but I think that by in large, Americans forget that.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

It's pretty fucked up that you are legally allowed to carry a gun in plain sight, and the cops are legally allowed to shoot you for it.
How does that make any sense at all????

The police have always been legally allowed to shoot you. We give them that authority. I know what your meant when you said that, but I think that by in large, Americans forget that.

Yeah its just messed up that you dont have to be breaking the law for them to have that right. I say ban open carry, then incidents like this are less head scratchy.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

It's pretty fucked up that you are legally allowed to carry a gun in plain sight, and the cops are legally allowed to shoot you for it.
How does that make any sense at all????

The police have always been legally allowed to shoot you. We give them that authority. I know what your meant when you said that, but I think that by in large, Americans forget that.

Yeah its just messed up that you dont have to be breaking the law for them to have that right. I say ban open carry, then incidents like this are less head scratchy.

Open carry is one of the most backwards policies that could possibly be in existence.

"Honey... have you seen my gun? I can't find it and I'm trying to go to the store."

Seriously?

How unnerving it must be to wait in line at the coffee shop and some one-toothed, scruffy bugger is getting impatient behind you because the line's moving too slowly.

The inmates run the asylum.

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

It's pretty fucked up that you are legally allowed to carry a gun in plain sight, and the cops are legally allowed to shoot you for it.
How does that make any sense at all????

The police have always been legally allowed to shoot you. We give them that authority. I know what your meant when you said that, but I think that by in large, Americans forget that.

Yeah its just messed up that you dont have to be breaking the law for them to have that right. I say ban open carry, then incidents like this are less head scratchy.

Open carry is one of the most backwards policies that could possibly be in existence.

"Honey... have you seen my gun? I can't find it and I'm trying to go to the store."

Seriously?

How unnerving it must be to wait in line at the coffee shop and some one-toothed, scruffy bugger is getting impatient behind you because the line's moving too slowly.

The inmates run the asylum.

Texas working on bill to allow. Just nuts.

Godfather.

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

It's pretty fucked up that you are legally allowed to carry a gun in plain sight, and the cops are legally allowed to shoot you for it.
How does that make any sense at all????

The police have always been legally allowed to shoot you. We give them that authority. I know what your meant when you said that, but I think that by in large, Americans forget that.

Yeah its just messed up that you dont have to be breaking the law for them to have that right. I say ban open carry, then incidents like this are less head scratchy.

Open carry is one of the most backwards policies that could possibly be in existence.

"Honey... have you seen my gun? I can't find it and I'm trying to go to the store."

Seriously?

How unnerving it must be to wait in line at the coffee shop and some one-toothed, scruffy bugger is getting impatient behind you because the line's moving too slowly.

The inmates run the asylum.

Texas working on bill to allow. Just nuts.

well.....couldn't the coffee shop owner or any business not allow guns in thier stores ?

Godfather.

callen

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

It's pretty fucked up that you are legally allowed to carry a gun in plain sight, and the cops are legally allowed to shoot you for it.
How does that make any sense at all????

The police have always been legally allowed to shoot you. We give them that authority. I know what your meant when you said that, but I think that by in large, Americans forget that.

Yeah its just messed up that you dont have to be breaking the law for them to have that right. I say ban open carry, then incidents like this are less head scratchy.

Open carry is one of the most backwards policies that could possibly be in existence.

"Honey... have you seen my gun? I can't find it and I'm trying to go to the store."

Seriously?

How unnerving it must be to wait in line at the coffee shop and some one-toothed, scruffy bugger is getting impatient behind you because the line's moving too slowly.

The inmates run the asylum.

Texas working on bill to allow. Just nuts.

well.....couldn't the coffee shop owner or any business not allow guns in thier stores ?

Godfather.

Yes and good point. And as Unsung would probably say it's not caused huge issues for states that have allowed. Still bad thing in my opinion.

Gern Blansten

I don't understand open carry either. I'm fine with conceal carry I just don't see the point of needing to advertise your weapon.

The police have no idea who the bad guys are...no wonder they shoot everyone before asking questions.

callen

Gern Blansten said:

I don't understand open carry either. I'm fine with conceal carry I just don't see the point of needing to advertise your weapon.

The police have no idea who the bad guys are...no wonder they shoot everyone before asking questions.

Right and another example of how our mess will fall onto their shoulders.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten wrote: »

I don't understand open carry either. I'm fine with conceal carry I just don't see the point of needing to advertise your weapon.<br />
<br />
The police have no idea who the bad guys are...no wonder they shoot everyone before asking questions.

I know why some need to advertise their weapons.

They need to be tuff. They know they really aren't tuff and want so badly to be tuff that they walk around with their gun so anybody looking at them might think they're tuff.

At least this is what I think.

Up here in Canada... we obviously don't have anything as ridiculous as 'open carry' (or concealed for that matter). So because this is so... our little wimpy guys that really wanna be tuff go get pitbulls or Rottweilers with massive spiked collars and ropes for leashes. Then they let their powerful dogs drag their little 8 inch arms, long hair, and dental floss legs around downtown to impress people. The dogs serve as the 'tough gadget' for our tuff guys and, unfortunately, do much damage to the reputation of such impressive breeds.

Just as strict background checks are crucial for people buying weapons... people should pass strict background checks to own pitbulls and Rottweilers. I'm not opposed to people owning such dogs provided they are fit to raise them. These scraggly little geeks that I constantly see with them don't strike me as the appropriate types for such dogs given the purpose they have been attained for- looking tuff.

Has Chadwick been banned? I miss this place.

oftenreading

Godfather. wrote: »

It's pretty fucked up that you are legally allowed to carry a gun in plain sight, and the cops are legally allowed to shoot you for it. <br />
How does that make any sense at all????<br />
<br />
The police have always been legally allowed to shoot you. We give them that authority. I know what your meant when you said that, but I think that by in large, Americans forget that. <br />
<br />
Yeah its just messed up that you dont have to be breaking the law for them to have that right. I say ban open carry, then incidents like this are less head scratchy.<br />
<br />
Open carry is one of the most backwards policies that could possibly be in existence.<br />
<br />
"Honey... have you seen my gun? I can't find it and I'm trying to go to the store."<br />
<br />
Seriously?<br />
<br />
How unnerving it must be to wait in line at the coffee shop and some one-toothed, scruffy bugger is getting impatient behind you because the line's moving too slowly.<br />
<br />
The inmates run the asylum.<br />
<br />
<br />
Texas working on bill to allow. Just nuts. <br />
<br />
well.....couldn't the coffee shop owner or any business not allow guns in thier stores ? <br />
<br />
Godfather.

I don't know - could they? Wouldn't the gun owners lodge some sort of human rights complaint? After all, their god-given right to bear arms was being infringed upon, correct?

oftenreading

There's no telling where the gun violence will end. Now a dog has shot his owner when told to move from the front seat to the back seat of the truck. Bad dog.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/19/dog-shoots-man-after-being-told-to-move-from-front-seat-to-back-seat/

Gern Blansten

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/woman-shot-and-killed-with-her-own-gun-by-2-year-old-while-shopping-at-idaho-walmart/

{sigh}...just had to have it

hedonist

That age plus four children plus a likely harried shopping trip PLUS a gun readily-available.

This could go in the idiot thread too.

And now there are four without their mother. Without any parent now?

CM189191

good morning

g under p

Has anyone seen this clip from Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel.....

http://youtu.be/PIFiJdw0uME

Kids buying guns....amazing only in America. Even I was amazed I could go online and buy a 22 smallbore target rifle....all I needed was my credit card, no ID check, background check NOTHING!

Peace

Gern Blansten

I saw that ^^^. Really eye opening.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I watched it too.

Reeeeee dikkkkkk uuuuuuu luuuuuuss

But you gotta remember, they likely had musket swaps back in the day that saw 12 year old pioneer boys trade a basket of their pa's eggs for a musket.

The forefathers anticipated the country going the way it did with the language they placed in the constitution. I'm positive they planned on everybody owning machine guns and carrying pistols on their hips.

Speaking of machine guns, why draw the line on automatic weapons? What is the rationale for banning automatic weapons? Doesn't the same rationale apply to other weapons as well?

I mean, the gun nuts make the point that a gun doesn't kill people... people kill people. So if that point is legitimate at all, why ban automatic weapons? I'm thinking it's accepted because even the most passionate enthusiasts recognize the great danger inherent with an automatic weapon, yet somehow a 'slightly less' inherent danger is either ignored or accepted with a semiautomatic rifle.