America's Gun Violence

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,946
    edited October 2015
    Jason P said:

    There was also a shooting at a South Dakota high school, but no one died so the story will be lucky to make page 7 in tomorrow's newspaper.

    That seems fair. A murderous rampage where 10 are dead and many more injured definitely does seem to trump non-life-threatening gun shot wounds in a high school.
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    There was also a shooting at a South Dakota high school, but no one died so the story will be lucky to make page 7 in tomorrow's newspaper.

    That seems fair. A murderous rampage where 10 are dead and many more injured definitely does seem to trump non-life-threatening gun shot wounds in a high school.
    That's part of the problem. With these mass shootings you need to make a statement. You need to kill as many people as you can before they take you down. The media gives these individuals so much attention for their efforts. I would love it if the shooter's name was literally blacklisted by the media. Remember the victims, acknowledge the act but erase the shooter's name and identity from the spotlight. Don't give him his fifteen minutes of fame. Of course we know that this will never happen.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,946
    edited October 2015

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    There was also a shooting at a South Dakota high school, but no one died so the story will be lucky to make page 7 in tomorrow's newspaper.

    That seems fair. A murderous rampage where 10 are dead and many more injured definitely does seem to trump non-life-threatening gun shot wounds in a high school.
    That's part of the problem. With these mass shootings you need to make a statement. You need to kill as many people as you can before they take you down. The media gives these individuals so much attention for their efforts. I would love it if the shooter's name was literally blacklisted by the media. Remember the victims, acknowledge the act but erase the shooter's name and identity from the spotlight. Don't give him his fifteen minutes of fame. Of course we know that this will never happen.
    I think it's fairly ludicrous to expect the media to censor facts. I really hate this viewpoint (not you... I have seen this said many times before, and every time I think about how what it really says is that the media should be picking and choosing what news we get in order to create a bias towards vicitims. NO THANK YOU!!! I support an unbiased, censorship-free media, thank you very much!).
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  • I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?
  • I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    I ask myself that many, many times. It's incomprehensible to me and I would say to most Europeans
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,946

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    Compassion for what?
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    Compassion for what?
    I can't really speak for others but maybe he means we're all becoming a little desensitised to it because it just keeps happening and America shows no will or desire to stop their children and young people being killed
  • PJ_Soul said:

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    Compassion for what?
    I can't really speak for others but maybe he means we're all becoming a little desensitised to it because it just keeps happening and America shows no will or desire to stop their children and young people being killed
    This. You would have thought Sandy Hook would have been THE one that changed things.....

    Why are we still talking about school shootings 16 years after Columbine?

    This situation is fucking absurd.

  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    It is nuts, but I wonder if it has to do with the babying of kids growing up. Most kids now are not taught that the world is a tough place. They don't know how to fail or what to do when they fail. Then when it happens their world falls apart and they go off the deep end. I am not sure about the shooter I am just making a general statement. Condolences to their families, no parent should have to bury their child.

    Reaching. And this isn't a controllable.
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    There was also a shooting at a South Dakota high school, but no one died so the story will be lucky to make page 7 in tomorrow's newspaper.

    That seems fair. A murderous rampage where 10 are dead and many more injured definitely does seem to trump non-life-threatening gun shot wounds in a high school.
    That's part of the problem. With these mass shootings you need to make a statement. You need to kill as many people as you can before they take you down. The media gives these individuals so much attention for their efforts. I would love it if the shooter's name was literally blacklisted by the media. Remember the victims, acknowledge the act but erase the shooter's name and identity from the spotlight. Don't give him his fifteen minutes of fame. Of course we know that this will never happen.
    I think it's fairly ludicrous to expect the media to censor facts. I really hate this viewpoint (not you... I have seen this said many times before, and every time I think about how what it really says is that the media should be picking and choosing what news we get in order to create a bias towards vicitims. NO THANK YOU!!! I support an unbiased, censorship-free media, thank you very much!).
    I don't think that the majority of today's media gives two pins about facts. It's about selling a product and the life and times of this unnamed gunman will inevitably take center stage for the next week or so. It's what sells, but it is hardly what one would describe as being meaningful information. It's just another story about another disgruntled loser with the means and opportunity to inflict excessive carnage on an unsuspecting group. It's the same old story we've heard before and will continue to hear again and again.

    As for the media picking and choosing what news we get; they already do that. I think it's even scarier that people still think that unbiased media is actually a thing. It was never such a thing and it never will be.
  • It didn't take one month..
    Not ONE FUCKING MONTH, after classes began, across this country.....
    For another massacre to take place...

    You send your child off to college.
    A month later he is returned to you, in a body bag.



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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    speaking only as a person who lives in said country, it seems to me that no one is in denial about the situation. There's a huge schism between those who believe this problem needs to be addressed by restricting access to guns, and those who believe that restricting access to guns will not address this problem.
    There's probably a 3rd school of people who don't give a shit one way or another too.
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  • ldent42 said:

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    speaking only as a person who lives in said country, it seems to me that no one is in denial about the situation. There's a huge schism between those who believe this problem needs to be addressed by restricting access to guns, and those who believe that restricting access to guns will not address this problem.
    There's probably a 3rd school of people who don't give a shit one way or another too.
    Yeah I have to believe that those who oppose gun control aren't just cold, heartless people who couldn't care less about all the lives being so needlessly lost. However this begs the question, how can they honestly believe that the answer is more guns? You know their response to this will be to say 'well if some of those innocent victims had been armed then fewer people would have died'. On and on it goes, round in circles of blood
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I think it's important to know about the shooter - background, mental issues, how the weapon became available, breaking point, etc. - in the (probably slight) hope that another one of these tragedies can be prevented.

    Long-shot, I'm sure.
  • hedonist said:

    I think it's important to know about the shooter - background, mental issues, how the weapon became available, breaking point, etc. - in the (probably slight) hope that another one of these tragedies can be prevented.

    Long-shot, I'm sure.

    What exactly has that accomplished? There have certainly been enough massacres before this one to make a slew of case studies yet it doesn't seem to mean anything. There are a lot of mentally ill people who have easy access to a variety of firearms. What are we going to learn that's different this time around?
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,575
    edited October 2015

    hedonist said:

    I think it's important to know about the shooter - background, mental issues, how the weapon became available, breaking point, etc. - in the (probably slight) hope that another one of these tragedies can be prevented.

    Long-shot, I'm sure.

    What exactly has that accomplished? There have certainly been enough massacres before this one to make a slew of case studies yet it doesn't seem to mean anything. There are a lot of mentally ill people who have easy access to a variety of firearms. What are we going to learn that's different this time around?
    He was a quiet kid
    He kept to himself a lot.
    He didn't have many friends
    He loved video games
    Maybe we should have seen the signs.

    Blah Blah Blah.


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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Like I said, long-shot. Not worth it to keep trying to figure it out?
  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859

    ldent42 said:

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    speaking only as a person who lives in said country, it seems to me that no one is in denial about the situation. There's a huge schism between those who believe this problem needs to be addressed by restricting access to guns, and those who believe that restricting access to guns will not address this problem.
    There's probably a 3rd school of people who don't give a shit one way or another too.
    Yeah I have to believe that those who oppose gun control aren't just cold, heartless people who couldn't care less about all the lives being so needlessly lost. However this begs the question, how can they honestly believe that the answer is more guns? You know their response to this will be to say 'well if some of those innocent victims had been armed then fewer people would have died'. On and on it goes, round in circles of blood
    It has to do with environment. There's people who come up believing that guns are not dangerous as long as you know what you are doing. That the people who do these shootings have mental problems (which is true) and that they do not obtain the guns legally, therefore enacting any stricter gun control laws are just punishing law abiding citizens. The way you frame that sentiment, about innocent lives being lost - is not something that gets considered.

    Then you've got people like me who have no interest in and want no part of guns at all. Who sit back and look at this knowing we are powerless to stop it.
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  • ldent42 said:

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    speaking only as a person who lives in said country, it seems to me that no one is in denial about the situation. There's a huge schism between those who believe this problem needs to be addressed by restricting access to guns, and those who believe that restricting access to guns will not address this problem.
    There's probably a 3rd school of people who don't give a shit one way or another too.
    It comes across as denial, because there has been no significant movement towards change at all. It's that old saying about doing what you always did and getting what you always got.





  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859

    ldent42 said:

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    speaking only as a person who lives in said country, it seems to me that no one is in denial about the situation. There's a huge schism between those who believe this problem needs to be addressed by restricting access to guns, and those who believe that restricting access to guns will not address this problem.
    There's probably a 3rd school of people who don't give a shit one way or another too.
    It comes across as denial, because there has been no significant movement towards change at all. It's that old saying about doing what you always did and getting what you always got.





    I understand that. And trust me, personally I'm on the side of stricter gun control. But large portions of the population of this country don't think that that is a good idea. Even our goddamned President has had it up to here with that bullshit but apparently he can't do anything about it either. Tell me, if the President can't get stricter gun control put into place, what the hell can the rest of us do?
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  • So the piece of shit lunatic, had 3 pistols and a rifle?

    Yeah, we don't have a gun problem here in the good Ole USA.
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    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • ldent42 said:

    ldent42 said:

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    speaking only as a person who lives in said country, it seems to me that no one is in denial about the situation. There's a huge schism between those who believe this problem needs to be addressed by restricting access to guns, and those who believe that restricting access to guns will not address this problem.
    There's probably a 3rd school of people who don't give a shit one way or another too.
    It comes across as denial, because there has been no significant movement towards change at all. It's that old saying about doing what you always did and getting what you always got.





    I understand that. And trust me, personally I'm on the side of stricter gun control. But large portions of the population of this country don't think that that is a good idea. Even our goddamned President has had it up to here with that bullshit but apparently he can't do anything about it either. Tell me, if the President can't get stricter gun control put into place, what the hell can the rest of us do?
    Yeah that is crazy.

  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    edited October 2015
    Supposedly the shooter posted online last night his plans for today. Yet nothing was done to arrest him?!
    from cnn.com:
    'I'm so insignificant'
    According to the source close to the investigation, authorities are looking at social media posts between a person they believe may have been the shooter, and others.

    The conversation happened Wednesday night on 4chan.

    In it, the writer talks about planning to carry out a shooting. Others egg him on, giving him suggestions on how to do it, and the type of weapons to use.

    The responses are mixed -- with some users characterizing the would-be gunman as a pathetic loser. Others called him a twisted hero.

    In the posts, there is a reference to the UC Santa Barbara shooter, who wrote a manifesto and videoed himself before opening fire a year ago.

    "This is the only time I'll ever be in the news. I'm so insignificant," reads an apparent post by the would-be Oregon gunman.
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  • what are we gonna do about it?

    absolutely fucking nothing.

    i am not gonna get tendinitis in my wrist and fingers sitting here typing about it.

    so fucking sick of it happening again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and nothing changes.

    it is routine in america now. mass shooting, we all feel bad and talk about it for a few days, and then kylie jenner puts her boobs on instagram and breaks the internet and everyone forgets about mass shootings.

    wash

    rinse

    repeat.

    on

    and

    on

    the

    band

    played

    on.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    mcgruff10 said:

    Supposedly the shooter posted online last night his plans for today. Yet nothing was done to arrest him?! I really hope this turns out to be false.

    I've heard both reddit and 4chan.

    Does anyone know - are these shooter guys charged as terrorists?
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  • ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Supposedly the shooter posted online last night his plans for today. Yet nothing was done to arrest him?! I really hope this turns out to be false.

    I've heard both reddit and 4chan.

    Does anyone know - are these shooter guys charged as terrorists?
    who knows? most of em die in the shooting.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,522
    this was posted at adbook fairly quickly , so its either a retread article or thye have had it it ready to go knowing it wouldnt take long......



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/01/2015-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/?tid=sm_fb
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,522
    mickeyrat said:

    34 people woke up this morning. 13 had no idea they would breathe their last. 20 had no idea they would need to learn how to move forward after physically healing. 1 had an agenda.

    Blood payment for liberty has been paid. For today. Paid , just for today.

    confirmed 13 dead plus the shooter.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    ldent42 said:

    I don't often comment on these pages, but this is the 45th school shooting in the US this year. I'm at a loss for words, I feel my compassion slowly diminishing...... how can a country as great and as advanced in so many ways be so completely in denial about such a horrendous problem?

    speaking only as a person who lives in said country, it seems to me that no one is in denial about the situation. There's a huge schism between those who believe this problem needs to be addressed by restricting access to guns, and those who believe that restricting access to guns will not address this problem.
    There's probably a 3rd school of people who don't give a shit one way or another too.
    Yeah I have to believe that those who oppose gun control aren't just cold, heartless people who couldn't care less about all the lives being so needlessly lost. However this begs the question, how can they honestly believe that the answer is more guns? You know their response to this will be to say 'well if some of those innocent victims had been armed then fewer people would have died'. On and on it goes, round in circles of blood
    We justify anything to fit our wants and needs.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    "God fucking bless America and you will have to take my gun out of my cold dead fingers."

    We still got some evolving to do.
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