Just one more firearms thread

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Ganjaplease said:

that's the thing...if you are agaisnt guns you've probably never went out and just shot shit up with a shotgun. old buildings. loading slugs into 12 gauges trying drop supports for carports on run down buildings. my brothers and me lining up llike we're a firing squad. shooting clay pidgeons 2 at a time. that kinda stuff is fun as shit. and it hurts nobody, and it bother nobody, the nearest neighbor is 20 acres away and he's probably doing the same thing anyway.


its a blast...unless Dick Cheney comes along, then you gotta watch your face.

Yee Haw! Git 'er done.

I used to shoot shit all the time when we weren't hunting. Growing up... our weekends were filled with excuses to take our rifles into the bush to kill something or to the landfill or logging roads to shoot shit.

Nobody is talking about confiscating all guns. God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason- you should listen twice as much as you speak.

Rifles and shotguns are fine. They are tools necessary for hunting and also offer exceptional self-defence as piece of mind for the scaredy cats.

People are talking about assault style weaponry and some, including myself, have included much more rigid screening for the issuing a handgun license and ammunition for that matter.

You yourself have said that if the military wanted to get all the people... it wouldn't make a difference anyways. So, given this, and as cool as shooting shit is... how about removing assault rifles from the equation so that the next classroom that is currently destined for a slaughter at the hands of some idiot with such weaponry has a fighting chance?

You have a major fucking problem. You can stick your head up your ass and go, "Meh. Whatareyagunnado?" Or you can begin to address it. Poverty is clearly the root of the problem, but in the meantime, stop the hemorrhaging until your country begins to address the gross wage discrepancy that leaves massive amounts of people desperate and feeling like they have nothing to lose as they turn to drugs and crime.

Sadly. the selfishness of some Americans will likely prevent any progress. In Canada, despite any shortcomings you might allude to, we take care of our people. We don't let them starve and we help them when they need medical assistance. What does this look like for every citizen? We pay a lot of taxes at the point of payday and at the point of consumption ($20 for 12 beer). Of course there are cases of neglect that tend to irritate a guy, but oh well- that's human nature for you. The spirit of our social programs is solid and in general, we are all happy to contribute to each other's fortunes. We don't like seeing people suffer- it reflects on all of us.

If offered cheaper beer and more net pay... at the expense of a chunk of people suffering so I can become a glutton... no thanks. I have enough.

goingtoverona

@ mickeyrat, yeah that is something they need to fix. i agree there should be some kind of paperwork with transfers. i'm sure it's different in every state but the idea of a person being able to buy a gun and then being able to sell it privately with nothing more than an exchange of cash is pretty disturbing. once it leaves the original owner, who the hell knows where it could end up. it could be sold ten more times. is there a record of an original gun purchase? meaning if a gun with an intact serial number is found at a crime scene, can they check the number and find out who bought it? if there already is a "list", i don't see what the big deal with registering is. so long as it doesn't cost money.

@ganja, i was just busting your balls bro.

mickeyrat

goingtoverona said:

@ mickeyrat, yeah that is something they need to fix. i agree there should be some kind of paperwork with transfers. i'm sure it's different in every state but the idea of a person being able to buy a gun and then being able to sell it privately with nothing more than an exchange of cash is pretty disturbing. once it leaves the original owner, who the hell knows where it could end up. it could be sold ten more times. is there a record of an original gun purchase? meaning if a gun with an intact serial number is found at a crime scene, can they check the number and find out who bought it? if there already is a "list", i don't see what the big deal with registering is. so long as it doesn't cost money.

@ganja, i was just busting your balls bro.

Ohio has some of the least restrictive laws on the books, note the preemptive section. text is too many characters to paste in full
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/ohio.aspx
heres the section on preemeption

Preemption

The individual right to keep and bear arms, being a fundamental individual right that predates the United States Constitution and Ohio Constitution, and being a constitutionally protected right in every part of Ohio, the general assembly finds the need to provide uniform laws throughout the state regulating the ownership, possession, purchase, other acquisition, transport, storage, carrying, sale, or other transfer of firearms, their components, and their ammunition

OHIO REV. CODE ANN. §9.68 (2008)

(A) The individual right to keep and bear arms, being a fundamental individual right that predates the United States Constitution and Ohio Constitution, and being a constitutionally protected right in every part of Ohio, the general assembly finds the need to provide uniform laws throughout the state regulating the ownership, possession, purchase, other acquisition, transport, storage, carrying, sale, or other transfer of firearms, their components, and their ammunition. Except as specifically provided by the United States Constitution, Ohio Constitution, state law, or federal law, a person, without further license, permission, restriction, delay, or process, may own, possess, purchase, sell, transfer, transport, store, or keep any firearm, part of a firearm, its components, and its ammunition.

(B) In addition to any other relief provided, the court shall award costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person, group, or entity that prevails in a challenge to an ordinance, rule, or regulation as being in conflict with this section.

(C) As used in this section:

(1) The possession, transporting, or carrying of firearms, their components, or their ammunition include, but are not limited to, the possession, transporting, or carrying, openly or concealed on a person's person or concealed ready at hand, of firearms, their components, or their ammunition.

(2) “Firearm” has the same meaning as in section 2923.11 of the Revised Code.

(D) This section does not apply to either of the following:

(1) A zoning ordinance that regulates or prohibits the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms in areas zoned for residential or agricultural uses;

(2) A zoning ordinance that specifies the hours of operation or the geographic areas where the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms may occur, provided that the zoning ordinance is consistent with zoning ordinances for other retail establishments in the same geographic area and does not result in a de facto prohibition of the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms in areas zoned for commercial, retail, or industrial uses.


local station reprted this
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2013/06/21/columbus-ohio-top-supplier-of-guns-to-other-state.html

Ganjaplease

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Ganjaplease said:

that's the thing...if you are agaisnt guns you've probably never went out and just shot shit up with a shotgun. old buildings. loading slugs into 12 gauges trying drop supports for carports on run down buildings. my brothers and me lining up llike we're a firing squad. shooting clay pidgeons 2 at a time. that kinda stuff is fun as shit. and it hurts nobody, and it bother nobody, the nearest neighbor is 20 acres away and he's probably doing the same thing anyway.


its a blast...unless Dick Cheney comes along, then you gotta watch your face.

Yee Haw! Git 'er done.

I used to shoot shit all the time when we weren't hunting. Growing up... our weekends were filled with excuses to take our rifles into the bush to kill something or to the landfill or logging roads to shoot shit.

Nobody is talking about confiscating all guns. God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason- you should listen twice as much as you speak.

Rifles and shotguns are fine. They are tools necessary for hunting and also offer exceptional self-defence as piece of mind for the scaredy cats.

People are talking about assault style weaponry and some, including myself, have included much more rigid screening for the issuing a handgun license and ammunition for that matter.

You yourself have said that if the military wanted to get all the people... it wouldn't make a difference anyways. So, given this, and as cool as shooting shit is... how about removing assault rifles from the equation so that the next classroom that is currently destined for a slaughter at the hands of some idiot with such weaponry has a fighting chance?

You have a major fucking problem. You can stick your head up your ass and go, "Meh. Whatareyagunnado?" Or you can begin to address it. Poverty is clearly the root of the problem, but in the meantime, stop the hemorrhaging until your country begins to address the gross wage discrepancy that leaves massive amounts of people desperate and feeling like they have nothing to lose as they turn to drugs and crime.

Sadly. the selfishness of some Americans will likely prevent any progress. In Canada, despite any shortcomings you might allude to, we take care of our people. We don't let them starve and we help them when they need medical assistance. What does this look like for every citizen? We pay a lot of taxes at the point of payday and at the point of consumption ($20 for 12 beer). Of course there are cases of neglect that tend to irritate a guy, but oh well- that's human nature for you. The spirit of our social programs is solid and in general, we are all happy to contribute to each other's fortunes. We don't like seeing people suffer- it reflects on all of us.

If offered cheaper beer and more net pay... at the expense of a chunk of people suffering so I can become a glutton... no thanks. I have enough.

Wheres this 'alluding to Canada's shortcomings' you are laying at my feet? don't judge me man, and btw, you have completely misread me. continue with your misconceptions, your misunderstandings, its humerous. guess i dont' "hear" to well.


as to the wage discrepancy, in the US, minimum wage has actually decreased since 1960, stagnated since 78 or so (relative to inflation), while profits have skyrocketed and managers and CEO's have seen exponential growth in salaries. I'm well aware of the poverty in the united states. I'm not gonna sit here and complain about it all day, in fact i'm quite happy. the things you own end up owning you. a goddamn hobbit taught me that.

the reason wages are stagnating is that a very real class war is being waged, by the elite, and they are the best in the world at it. so good in fact, that most Americans don't even know there is such a thing as class war. lobbyist, corporations, they all inflcuence capitol hill and the bills that get passed benefit those who have more, and still they want more. quite literally the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer....and getting more desperate/.

for the most part I agree with what you've typed...but capitalism nourishes that selfishness you find so damaging....and I agree, it is a problem. the key, and the fundamental fricking ethos, the very core of our system , of ANY system,- is the motivation behind labor.

under capitalism.....its me me me. there is no thought for others or the community. that's why a socialist,/syndicalist/ anarcho/ type system is so much more beneficial. you go to work, not to better your self, but to better yourself AND everyone around you. your all work as a team, towards one goal, to better the community, which in turn benefits the individual.

you'd be surprised at how difficult it is to resist the impulse in this country. every stimuli reinforces this selfish behavior...all you hear or see on tv is a product begging for your dollar. you are constantly reminded of what "success" has come to mean. and peopal judge the fuck out of you, and misunderstand you all the time, and pig fuckers like that (not you) i feel sorry for.;

rgambs

unsung said:

It makes sense, we need to punish people just in case they decide they might do something bad. You know, for the greater good.

GET REAL! Registration and licensing isn't punishment it is COMMON SENSE!! Was the government punishing you when they gave you a social security number and registered you on the "lists" of society? Was it a punishment when you had to prove you were capable of driving before they allowed you on the roads? Is it punishment that we have to carry insurance in case we destroy one another's cars or lives? Nope just common fucking sense. The persecuted attitude (right next to your lax safety rules) work against your gun advocacy, not for it. It makes normal gun owners (22rifle, p380 pistol: both inherited from father) who aren't head in the sand fanatics ashamed to even admit they own guns!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Ganjaplease said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Ganjaplease said:

that's the thing...if you are agaisnt guns you've probably never went out and just shot shit up with a shotgun. old buildings. loading slugs into 12 gauges trying drop supports for carports on run down buildings. my brothers and me lining up llike we're a firing squad. shooting clay pidgeons 2 at a time. that kinda stuff is fun as shit. and it hurts nobody, and it bother nobody, the nearest neighbor is 20 acres away and he's probably doing the same thing anyway.


its a blast...unless Dick Cheney comes along, then you gotta watch your face.

Yee Haw! Git 'er done.

I used to shoot shit all the time when we weren't hunting. Growing up... our weekends were filled with excuses to take our rifles into the bush to kill something or to the landfill or logging roads to shoot shit.

Nobody is talking about confiscating all guns. God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason- you should listen twice as much as you speak.

Rifles and shotguns are fine. They are tools necessary for hunting and also offer exceptional self-defence as piece of mind for the scaredy cats.

People are talking about assault style weaponry and some, including myself, have included much more rigid screening for the issuing a handgun license and ammunition for that matter.

You yourself have said that if the military wanted to get all the people... it wouldn't make a difference anyways. So, given this, and as cool as shooting shit is... how about removing assault rifles from the equation so that the next classroom that is currently destined for a slaughter at the hands of some idiot with such weaponry has a fighting chance?

You have a major fucking problem. You can stick your head up your ass and go, "Meh. Whatareyagunnado?" Or you can begin to address it. Poverty is clearly the root of the problem, but in the meantime, stop the hemorrhaging until your country begins to address the gross wage discrepancy that leaves massive amounts of people desperate and feeling like they have nothing to lose as they turn to drugs and crime.

Sadly. the selfishness of some Americans will likely prevent any progress. In Canada, despite any shortcomings you might allude to, we take care of our people. We don't let them starve and we help them when they need medical assistance. What does this look like for every citizen? We pay a lot of taxes at the point of payday and at the point of consumption ($20 for 12 beer). Of course there are cases of neglect that tend to irritate a guy, but oh well- that's human nature for you. The spirit of our social programs is solid and in general, we are all happy to contribute to each other's fortunes. We don't like seeing people suffer- it reflects on all of us.

If offered cheaper beer and more net pay... at the expense of a chunk of people suffering so I can become a glutton... no thanks. I have enough.

Wheres this 'alluding to Canada's shortcomings' you are laying at my feet? don't judge me man, and btw, you have completely misread me. continue with your misconceptions, your misunderstandings, its humerous. guess i dont' "hear" to well.


as to the wage discrepancy, in the US, minimum wage has actually decreased since 1960, stagnated since 78 or so (relative to inflation), while profits have skyrocketed and managers and CEO's have seen exponential growth in salaries. I'm well aware of the poverty in the united states. I'm not gonna sit here and complain about it all day, in fact i'm quite happy. the things you own end up owning you. a goddamn hobbit taught me that.

the reason wages are stagnating is that a very real class war is being waged, by the elite, and they are the best in the world at it. so good in fact, that most Americans don't even know there is such a thing as class war. lobbyist, corporations, they all inflcuence capitol hill and the bills that get passed benefit those who have more, and still they want more. quite literally the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer....and getting more desperate/.

for the most part I agree with what you've typed...but capitalism nourishes that selfishness you find so damaging....and I agree, it is a problem. the key, and the fundamental fricking ethos, the very core of our system , of ANY system,- is the motivation behind labor.

under capitalism.....its me me me. there is no thought for others or the community. that's why a socialist,/syndicalist/ anarcho/ type system is so much more beneficial. you go to work, not to better your self, but to better yourself AND everyone around you. your all work as a team, towards one goal, to better the community, which in turn benefits the individual.

you'd be surprised at how difficult it is to resist the impulse in this country. every stimuli reinforces this selfish behavior...all you hear or see on tv is a product begging for your dollar. you are constantly reminded of what "success" has come to mean. and peopal judge the fuck out of you, and misunderstand you all the time, and pig fuckers like that (not you) i feel sorry for.;

I said might allude to in the event you 'might' allude to something. Sorry this wasn't clear.

I may have misread what you intended with what you have written regarding guns, but at its point it's really no bi deal.

Gun issue aside, It sounds, if I interpreted your passage correctly, like we're not too far apart in our beliefs regarding class struggle.

unsung

rgambs said:

unsung said:

It makes sense, we need to punish people just in case they decide they might do something bad. You know, for the greater good.

GET REAL! Registration and licensing isn't punishment it is COMMON SENSE!! Was the government punishing you when they gave you a social security number and registered you on the "lists" of society? Was it a punishment when you had to prove you were capable of driving before they allowed you on the roads? Is it punishment that we have to carry insurance in case we destroy one another's cars or lives? Nope just common fucking sense. The persecuted attitude (right next to your lax safety rules) work against your gun advocacy, not for it. It makes normal gun owners (22rifle, p380 pistol: both inherited from father) who aren't head in the sand fanatics ashamed to even admit they own guns!

Funny, absolutely zero of what you said is protected by the Bill of Rights, except those evil firearms.

rgambs

yes and the bill of rights is our absolute ideal that must not be deviated from. Ever. So if i wreck your car it is up to you to fix it and I am not responsible cuz the Bill of Rights didn't say so. You live in a fantasy... For instance, without the FDA there would be no uncontaminated food to buy, and snake oil would be the norm again, read The Jungle and tell me that would be ok, we can trust the market.

Your fervor for the Constitution leads me to believe you know nothing of the situation in which it was formed, and by whom.

unsung

rgambs said:

yes and the bill of rights is our absolute ideal that must not be deviated from. Ever. So if i wreck your car it is up to you to fix it and I am not responsible cuz the Bill of Rights didn't say so. You live in a fantasy... For instance, without the FDA there would be no uncontaminated food to buy, and snake oil would be the norm again, read The Jungle and tell me that would be ok, we can trust the market.

Your fervor for the Constitution leads me to believe you know nothing of the situation in which it was formed, and by whom.

I suggest you read it, because what you are saying still doesn't apply.

Keep trying.

rgambs

it doesn't apply? Doesn't apply to what? A good job with benefits? What the hell does that mean? I'll just keep trying.

Seriously, acting like the Constitution is an authoritative document that covers all of today's issues is just lunacy. Good luck with the persecuted attitude, it won't inspire much confidence in gun owners! Registration equals punishment, damn life must be torture!

Jason P

It's also ironic that he was an advocate against violence in video games ... he seems like he is a character straight out of Grand Theft Auto.

unsung

rgambs said:

it doesn't apply? Doesn't apply to what? A good job with benefits? What the hell does that mean? I'll just keep trying.

Seriously, acting like the Constitution is an authoritative document that covers all of today's issues is just lunacy. Good luck with the persecuted attitude, it won't inspire much confidence in gun owners! Registration equals punishment, damn life must be torture!

Do you know what the Constitution and Bill of Rights is applicable to?

callen

rgambs said:

it doesn't apply? Doesn't apply to what? A good job with benefits? What the hell does that mean? I'll just keep trying.

Seriously, acting like the Constitution is an authoritative document that covers all of today's issues is just lunacy. Good luck with the persecuted attitude, it won't inspire much confidence in gun owners! Registration equals punishment, damn life must be torture!

Agree. Laws are not set and should be reviewed though do give weight to being established.

dignin

The United States is getting scarier by the day.

I love visiting the states but this shit is some wild west type stuff and makes me second guess where I will visit.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/georgia-s-guns-everywhere-bill-celebrated-by-pro-gun-lobby-1.2597232


It will no longer be illegal to bring a firearm to a place of worship, as long as the congregation says it’s allowed. If someone is caught with a firearm in a church that bans guns there will be a $100 fine.

School districts will be allowed to decide if staff can carry firearms in elementary and high schools. Firearms still won’t be legal on college campuses but the penalty for licence holders is dropped to $100.

Licensed carriers will be able to bring firearms into bars unless the owner disallows it. Someone who doesn’t co-operate with a no-gun rule could be charged with trespassing on private property.

No more bans on firearms in public housing.

Firearms can be carried in non-secure areas of airports. A person with a gun caught in a secure area will simply be asked to leave, without risk of arrest, jail or a fine.

Police won't be able to stop people to ask to see a carry permit.

No database allowed of concealed carry permit holders.



YEEEEHAAWWWW!!!!!!!

jmuscatello

dignin said:

The United States is getting scarier by the day.

I love visiting the states but this shit is some wild west type stuff and makes me second guess where I will visit.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/georgia-s-guns-everywhere-bill-celebrated-by-pro-gun-lobby-1.2597232


It will no longer be illegal to bring a firearm to a place of worship, as long as the congregation says it’s allowed. If someone is caught with a firearm in a church that bans guns there will be a $100 fine.

School districts will be allowed to decide if staff can carry firearms in elementary and high schools. Firearms still won’t be legal on college campuses but the penalty for licence holders is dropped to $100.

Licensed carriers will be able to bring firearms into bars unless the owner disallows it. Someone who doesn’t co-operate with a no-gun rule could be charged with trespassing on private property.

No more bans on firearms in public housing.

Firearms can be carried in non-secure areas of airports. A person with a gun caught in a secure area will simply be asked to leave, without risk of arrest, jail or a fine.

Police won't be able to stop people to ask to see a carry permit.

No database allowed of concealed carry permit holders.



YEEEEHAAWWWW!!!!!!!

Agreed. Georgia legislators are looking about as smart as Arizona legislators looked in February. Whether or not Gov. Deal signs, I'd skip both those states on your next US visit. There are much better options anyway....

Cosmo

I have a question... and I admit, i know nothing about the legal procedures... but...
Why are people willing to apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon... but, do not want to register their guns?
...
I mean, if you don't own a gun... would you ever apply for a permit to carry one? Having a permit with the authorities tells them that you have a gun... on your person, doesn't it?
If the people who fear the 'Government' will take away their guns if they register them... what makes them believe that SAME Government isn't going to keep you on their radar because now they know you own at least one and are probably carrying one... based on the information you freely provided to them? I don't know... it just seems odd to file with the government that you are armed... if you are afraid of that very government. When they come to get you... they where you live and will know you are armed so they can take the necessary precautions to make sure they shoot you first... then, pry your gun out of your cold dead hand. Leastwise, that's how I would see it.
If anyone can shed light on this... I'd appreciate it.

brianlux

^^^ Good question, Cosmo, and while we're waiting for an answer I have another question: Why do people who are worried that the government wants to take their guns away openly and often frequently talk about all the guns they have- often in specific terms- on a public forum? That just seems odd to me.

goingtoverona

if I had to guess i'd say that a permit to carry concealed allows you to do something with your gun(carry it in public), whereas registering doesn't, it's just hey here's who I am and all the guns I own. but it doesn't give a person more freedom or rights.
I can appreciate both sides of the argument of whether registration should be done, but the whole government coming to take my guns idea is a bit preposterous. it's just not possible, even if they know everything about you, how many guns you have, and where you keep them, it just can't be done. if the government did try to come and take everyone's guns, they wouldn't make it through ten percent of the population before word would get out and peoples guns would miraculously be stolen or lost. not to mention all the violence that would come from the resistors willing to fight. that being said, i'm totally down with registering all my shizzle, so long as it doesn't cost me anything.

gimmesometruth27

brianlux said:

^^^ Good question, Cosmo, and while we're waiting for an answer I have another question: Why do people who are worried that the government wants to take their guns away openly and often frequently talk about all the guns they have- often in specific terms- on a public forum? That just seems odd to me.

yeah why do i not constantly brag about my guitar collection?? i mean, it is just something that i own. i have pride in it, but i don't brag about it.

i guess it just seems like macho dudes have to express the machasimo they can not show us in person by typing about all of the guns and ammo they have.

Cosmo

goingtoverona said:

if I had to guess i'd say that a permit to carry concealed allows you to do something with your gun(carry it in public), whereas registering doesn't, it's just hey here's who I am and all the guns I own. but it doesn't give a person more freedom or rights.
I can appreciate both sides of the argument of whether registration should be done, but the whole government coming to take my guns idea is a bit preposterous. it's just not possible, even if they know everything about you, how many guns you have, and where you keep them, it just can't be done. if the government did try to come and take everyone's guns, they wouldn't make it through ten percent of the population before word would get out and peoples guns would miraculously be stolen or lost. not to mention all the violence that would come from the resistors willing to fight. that being said, i'm totally down with registering all my shizzle, so long as it doesn't cost me anything.

...
I agree. The government isn't going to storm people's homes and confiscate legally owned guns... and I don't want the government to do it, even if I don't own a gun because it goes against our Constitution.
The worst analogy used by the gun lobby.... that Hitler took away the guns in order to take control. Like, if the Jews were armed, they would have been able to defend themselves and avoid the Holocaust.
Seriously? Don't people remember who the Nazis were and what it took to finally defeat them? It took the combined Armies of the U.S., Britian, Russia, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand and insurgents in France armed with tanks and machine guns and bombers and fighter planes to do it. No one will ever convince me that the Jews and gypsies in the the Berlin ghettos, armed with hand guns would ever have been able to hold off and defeat the German Army.