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The Juggler

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

no shot he hangs around long enough to catch lefty....but if he gets to 2nd place in under a decade (might get there by end of next year)--that's pretty fucking impressive.

http://the700level.com/baseball-phillies/does-cole-hamels-have-any-kind-of-chance-at-the-phils-all-time-strikeout-record/

Does Cole Hamels have any kind of chance at the Phils’ all-time strikeout record?

After missing the season’s first three-plus weeks and struggling a mite in his first couple starts, Cole Hamels has unmistakably rounded into Cole Hamels form again.

You wouldn’t know it from his record, as usual, and the Phillies gave him no help on that front last night as his seven scoreless were wasted by a one-run offensive effort that failed to hold when Jonathan Papelbon let in the tying run on a bloop single in the ninth. But after eight straight seven-plus-inning outings–all but one of which featured Cole giving up three runs or fewer–his ERA is down under three, his WHIP is back to a reasonable 1.20, and his 76 strikeouts lead the whole team.

source:

The K’s were of particular relevance last night, as Hamels’ six (in seven innings of work) tied him with Chris Short for third on the Phils’ all-time punchout list with 1585. Short, a two-time All-Star and Phillies Wall-of-Famer, racked up his tally over 14 seasons in 2253 innings pitched. Hamels took just nine years (counting this one) and 1671 IP. Cole should own third on his own within a couple innings of his next start, and failing injury or trade, will probably climb his way to second place (Hall-of-Famer Robin Roberts, with 1871) by either the end of next season or early into 2016.

It should probably be noted that Short and Roberts both pitched in an era that suppressed strikeout numbers far more than modern day. Roberts once led the NL with 185 Ks, a number Cole has passed five times while only finishing in the league’s top five once. Still, it is mighty impressive of our ace to reach that kind of historical mark in less than a decade’s time, and it shows how consistently dominant he’s been on the hill for the Phillies since coming into the league in 2006.

And it also gets you wondering–could he maybe make a claim for #1 someday? Getting to #3 (and presumably #2 before long) so relatively early in his career would make you think he’s got a real shot, but the gap between #2 and #1 is much, much bigger than the one between #2 and #3. That’s because #1 is the legendary Steve Carlton, one-time holder of the MLB all-time strikeout total, who racked up a stunning 3031 strikeouts in just under a decade and a half of duty for the Fightins. (Carlton also picked up 1105 additional K’s in stops with five other teams at the beginning and end of his career.)

To reach Lefty’s all-time total, Cole would certainly have his work cut out for him. He’s a little over halfway there, but he’s already turned 30. Generously assuming he pitches for the Phils until he turned 40, and assuming he racks up about another 120 punchouts over the course of this season, he’d have to average about 140 strikeouts a year over the next ten seasons to pass the first-ballot Hall-of-Famer.

very little chance he catches Carlton. Cole has already had multiple minor arm/shoulder injuries and with 5 years of playoffs and high level games Cole will most likely end up like Halladay and turn old almost overnight around his mid-30s. can't see him lasting until 40

big difference between how he pitches and how halladay pitched though. halladay was more power and as soon as he lost that fast ball, it was lights out. as the article points out, cole is the kind of pitcher you'd think could be able to adjust when he gets to be that age....assuming he is healthy obviously.

yeah I don't think there's a shot he catches lefty, but to catch another hall of famer and be 2nd to carlton....especially in such a short amount of time would be awesome.

eeriepadave

out of the basement :-bd

pjhawks

so in another thread Juggler said a walk is a good as a hit. does anyone really believe that? only if no one is on base is it as good as a single, but that's really the only case. in all other cases a walk is never as good as a hit.

i guess the same people who believe that are the same who'd rather have ryan howard shorten his swing to cut down on strikeouts thus creating more singles but less home runs. 8-|

going for the sweep today. man this division is so bad right now.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

so in another thread Juggler said a walk is a good as a hit. does anyone really believe that? only if no one is on base is it as good as a single, but that's really the only case. in all other cases a walk is never as good as a hit.

i guess the same people who believe that are the same who'd rather have ryan howard shorten his swing to cut down on strikeouts thus creating more singles but less home runs. 8-|

going for the sweep today. man this division is so bad right now.

The main job of the batter in baseball is not to make an out.

The Juggler

this dude is crazy. i said that as a joke in the "what would you tell the 12 yourself you" thread.

hahahaha

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

so in another thread Juggler said a walk is a good as a hit. does anyone really believe that? only if no one is on base is it as good as a single, but that's really the only case. in all other cases a walk is never as good as a hit.

i guess the same people who believe that are the same who'd rather have ryan howard shorten his swing to cut down on strikeouts thus creating more singles but less home runs. 8-|

going for the sweep today. man this division is so bad right now.

The main job of the batter in baseball is not to make an out.

but not all non-outs are equal. the most important thing to do is to score runs. you win with runs created not on-base percentage. rarely do walks 'create' runs. they can lead to them but they don't create them. a walk is not as good as a hit.

and juggler not sure how your reply of 'yes it is' in that thread is considered a joke but if it was well then i guess i misunderstood that.

pjhawks

The Juggler said:

this dude is crazy. i said that as a joke in the "what would you tell the 12 yourself you" thread.

hahahaha

marlon byrd's single in the 1st today was better than ryan's walk :-j

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

so in another thread Juggler said a walk is a good as a hit. does anyone really believe that? only if no one is on base is it as good as a single, but that's really the only case. in all other cases a walk is never as good as a hit.

i guess the same people who believe that are the same who'd rather have ryan howard shorten his swing to cut down on strikeouts thus creating more singles but less home runs. 8-|

going for the sweep today. man this division is so bad right now.

The main job of the batter in baseball is not to make an out.

but not all non-outs are equal. the most important thing to do is to score runs. you win with runs created not on-base percentage. rarely do walks 'create' runs. they can lead to them but they don't create them. a walk is not as good as a hit.

and juggler not sure how your reply of 'yes it is' in that thread is considered a joke but if it was well then i guess i misunderstood that.

I repeat. The goal of an at bat is to not make an out. No obviously a sac fly is different than other outs, but that is the rare case. Rarely do walks create runs, you score runs with people on base no matter who they got there, simple as that.

The Juggler

Regularly or semi regularly?

How often was hawks beat up as a kid?


Only kidding Hawks (kinda)...you just need to lighten up a little



Go Phils!

Cliffy6745

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/18/ryan-howard-responds-to-nickelback-listening-allegations/

JK_Livin

Crazy game so far

pjhawks

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Cliffy6745 said:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/18/ryan-howard-responds-to-nickelback-listening-allegations/

while i do find that story mildly amusing i have to ask what kind of horrible boring life do you have to have to take time out of your day to make a sign saying ryan howard listens to nickelback then carry it into a ballpark. seriously i can't fathom that level of pathetic and sad life.

pjhawks

The Juggler said:

Regularly or semi regularly?

How often was hawks beat up as a kid?


Only kidding Hawks (kinda)...you just need to lighten up a little



Go Phils!

haha well my brother who is a year older and i used to go at it pretty regularly especially in the summers and I have 3 other older brothers so toughness on my end was never a problem. never was a guy who would start fights but would never back down to one either.

i love a good back and forth argument. it's entertaining to me especially when i get slow at work. usually when i post a lot during the day is when work is slow and not a lot to do. makes the time go faster. only occasionally do you guys get under my skin and usually that's when someone says something crazy.

i know ryan hasn't struck out yet today and has walked so i'm sure you guys are giddy :-j

JK_Livin

Brooms

pjhawks

JK_Livin said:

Brooms

only 4.5 out at the current moment and could be down to 4 by the end of the night. brutal division at the moment.

that being said expect the cardinals to win at least 3 out of 4.

eeriepadave

pjhawks said:

JK_Livin said:

Brooms

only 4.5 out at the current moment and could be down to 4 by the end of the night. brutal division at the moment.

that being said expect the cardinals to win at least 3 out of 4.

thought the game was tonight. Bats came alive today. I didn't realize just how bad this division is. Still hope for us )

JK_Livin

Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things.

pjhawks

JK_Livin said:

Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things.

hope i'm wrong but i fully suspect hopes will be dashed fairly quickly this weekend.

jamminpearls

Nice to see the 05-10 R6 back the past 4 games.

The Juggler

jamminpearls said:

Nice to see the 05-10 R6 back the past 4 games.

is it hitting season? nah. can't be........can it? haha