PHILLY (Loosely Related to The Philadelphia Phillies)

The Fixer

The Juggler said:

I'm all for paying less taxes. However, something like this is usually needed to stimulate the economy and there's supposed to be a plan to pay for it.

In this case, the economy is moving along nicely and this plan is adding a trillion dollars to the deficit (which republicans used to want to cut).

There's no need for this other than for republicans to say they did something this year....that 29% of the public wants.

We're all going to be paying for it in the long run.

I was an economics major.  My senior thesis was on the National Debt.  I actually know quite a bit about the ramifications of ever-increasing deficits.  

At the end of the day I have stopped caring.  It does affect every one of us to varying degrees, but the older I get the more short term I think about money.  I'd rather have lower taxes and a larger paycheck today than worry about long term ramifications of things -- because as individuals there isn't much we can do to control what's going to happen.  I don't waste energy concerning myself with things beyond my control.

Let people keep the majority of the money they earn.  I can worry about my family's future by balancing my own budget by spending, saving, and planning accordingly.  The government is arguably the least inefficient entity on the planet -- the less money we contribute to them, the better we all are, both long and short term.  Social security for example -- good luck if you're counting on that as part of your retirement portfolio.

JK_Livin

Think they move Hoskins?

Cliffy6745

The Fixer said:

The Juggler said:

I'm all for paying less taxes. However, something like this is usually needed to stimulate the economy and there's supposed to be a plan to pay for it.

In this case, the economy is moving along nicely and this plan is adding a trillion dollars to the deficit (which republicans used to want to cut).

There's no need for this other than for republicans to say they did something this year....that 29% of the public wants.

We're all going to be paying for it in the long run.

I was an economics major.  My senior thesis was on the National Debt.  I actually know quite a bit about the ramifications of ever-increasing deficits.  

At the end of the day I have stopped caring.  It does affect every one of us to varying degrees, but the older I get the more short term I think about money.  I'd rather have lower taxes and a larger paycheck today than worry about long term ramifications of things -- because as individuals there isn't much we can do to control what's going to happen.  I don't waste energy concerning myself with things beyond my control.

Let people keep the majority of the money they earn.  I can worry about my family's future by balancing my own budget by spending, saving, and planning accordingly.  The government is arguably the least inefficient entity on the planet -- the less money we contribute to them, the better we all are, both long and short term.  Social security for example -- good luck if you're counting on that as part of your retirement portfolio.

I seem to remember us having a pretty in depth argument  about the increasing debt and deficit under Obama. It's cute that you have now stopped caring about it when you did 6 months ago

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 said:

The Fixer said:

The Juggler said:

I'm all for paying less taxes. However, something like this is usually needed to stimulate the economy and there's supposed to be a plan to pay for it.

In this case, the economy is moving along nicely and this plan is adding a trillion dollars to the deficit (which republicans used to want to cut).

There's no need for this other than for republicans to say they did something this year....that 29% of the public wants.

We're all going to be paying for it in the long run.

I was an economics major.  My senior thesis was on the National Debt.  I actually know quite a bit about the ramifications of ever-increasing deficits.  

At the end of the day I have stopped caring.  It does affect every one of us to varying degrees, but the older I get the more short term I think about money.  I'd rather have lower taxes and a larger paycheck today than worry about long term ramifications of things -- because as individuals there isn't much we can do to control what's going to happen.  I don't waste energy concerning myself with things beyond my control.

Let people keep the majority of the money they earn.  I can worry about my family's future by balancing my own budget by spending, saving, and planning accordingly.  The government is arguably the least inefficient entity on the planet -- the less money we contribute to them, the better we all are, both long and short term.  Social security for example -- good luck if you're counting on that as part of your retirement portfolio.

I seem to remember us having a pretty in depth argument  about the increasing debt and deficit under Obama. It's cute that you have now stopped caring about it when you did 6 months ago

we can keep going around in circles here, but there's not much point.  liberals credited obama with lowering the deficit right after he ran up record level deficits.  that theory never made sense to me.  

I don't understand why liberals are getting so angry about the government cutting their taxes.  

The Fixer

JK_Livin said:

Think they move Hoskins?

they shouldn't which means they probably will

JK_Livin

The Fixer said:

JK_Livin said:

Think they move Hoskins?

they shouldn't which means they probably will

Got to be Hoskins, Williams, Alther or Herrera. I just read that Santana has seen the most pitches in baseball since 2011.

Cliffy6745

The Fixer said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Fixer said:

The Juggler said:

I'm all for paying less taxes. However, something like this is usually needed to stimulate the economy and there's supposed to be a plan to pay for it.

In this case, the economy is moving along nicely and this plan is adding a trillion dollars to the deficit (which republicans used to want to cut).

There's no need for this other than for republicans to say they did something this year....that 29% of the public wants.

We're all going to be paying for it in the long run.

I was an economics major.  My senior thesis was on the National Debt.  I actually know quite a bit about the ramifications of ever-increasing deficits.  

At the end of the day I have stopped caring.  It does affect every one of us to varying degrees, but the older I get the more short term I think about money.  I'd rather have lower taxes and a larger paycheck today than worry about long term ramifications of things -- because as individuals there isn't much we can do to control what's going to happen.  I don't waste energy concerning myself with things beyond my control.

Let people keep the majority of the money they earn.  I can worry about my family's future by balancing my own budget by spending, saving, and planning accordingly.  The government is arguably the least inefficient entity on the planet -- the less money we contribute to them, the better we all are, both long and short term.  Social security for example -- good luck if you're counting on that as part of your retirement portfolio.

I seem to remember us having a pretty in depth argument  about the increasing debt and deficit under Obama. It's cute that you have now stopped caring about it when you did 6 months ago

we can keep going around in circles here, but there's not much point.  liberals credited obama with lowering the deficit right after he ran up record level deficits.  that theory never made sense to me.  

I don't understand why liberals are getting so angry about the government cutting their taxes.  

• FY 2009 - Even though the budget had been approved, Congress added emergency funding to stop the Great Recession. It added the first year's worth of spending from Obama's Economic Stimulus Act to the FY 2009 budget. That $253 billion accrues to Obama.
• FY 2010 - Obama's first budget created a $1.294 trillion deficit.
• FY 2011 - This budget contributed $1.3 trillion to the debt.
• FY 2012 - The deficit was $1.087 trillion. 
• FY 2013 - This was the first Obama budget where the deficit, $679 billion, was less than $1 trillion. Thank sequestration, which forced a 10 percent cut in spending.
• FY 2014 - The deficit was $485 billion.
• FY 2015 - The deficit fell further, to $438 billion.
• FY 2016 - The deficit is expected to be $600 billion
• FY 2017 - The deficit is projected to be $441 billion.

They're fake tax cuts.

The Juggler

The Fixer said:

The Juggler said:

I'm all for paying less taxes. However, something like this is usually needed to stimulate the economy and there's supposed to be a plan to pay for it.

In this case, the economy is moving along nicely and this plan is adding a trillion dollars to the deficit (which republicans used to want to cut).

There's no need for this other than for republicans to say they did something this year....that 29% of the public wants.

We're all going to be paying for it in the long run.

I was an economics major.  My senior thesis was on the National Debt.  I actually know quite a bit about the ramifications of ever-increasing deficits.  

At the end of the day I have stopped caring.  It does affect every one of us to varying degrees, but the older I get the more short term I think about money.  I'd rather have lower taxes and a larger paycheck today than worry about long term ramifications of things -- because as individuals there isn't much we can do to control what's going to happen.  I don't waste energy concerning myself with things beyond my control.

Let people keep the majority of the money they earn.  I can worry about my family's future by balancing my own budget by spending, saving, and planning accordingly.  The government is arguably the least inefficient entity on the planet -- the less money we contribute to them, the better we all are, both long and short term.  Social security for example -- good luck if you're counting on that as part of your retirement portfolio.

Ironically, this is a very liberal way of looking at things. Spend now---worry about paying for shit later!

And these cuts aren't even permanent....well except for the corporate ones. 

The Juggler

JK_Livin said:

The Fixer said:

JK_Livin said:

Think they move Hoskins?

they shouldn't which means they probably will

Got to be Hoskins, Williams, Alther or Herrera. I just read that Santana has seen the most pitches in baseball since 2011.

Offense can be real good next year. Waiting on next shoe to drop for a pitcher....doubt they move Hoskins. 

Also still have Cesar as a trade chip 

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler said:

JK_Livin said:

The Fixer said:

JK_Livin said:

Think they move Hoskins?

they shouldn't which means they probably will

Got to be Hoskins, Williams, Alther or Herrera. I just read that Santana has seen the most pitches in baseball since 2011.

Offense can be real good next year. Waiting on next shoe to drop for a pitcher....doubt they move Hoskins. 

Also still have Cesar as a trade chip 

I go into my prediction machine and they trade Cesar, Herrera, and prospect (pick one) for Archer.

Cliffy6745

I don't understand the signing.  I don't think the Yanks beat the Indians if they have a healthy Santana and he is a fine player, but seems like a really odd signing for where this team is.

Again, pushing your best prospect to his 2nd position. 

cutz

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Hey, Cliff, you guys get Machado yet, ya cocksucker?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-FLwonazA

That's 12 months from now.

May as well get Trout & Harper too. 

Will the Phillies have  a shot at signing Machado?

Cliffy6745

cutz said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Hey, Cliff, you guys get Machado yet, ya cocksucker?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-FLwonazA

That's 12 months from now.

May as well get Trout & Harper too. 

Will the Phillies have  a shot at signing Machado?

I think so.  They have the money.

eeriepadave

Cliffy6745 said:

cutz said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Hey, Cliff, you guys get Machado yet, ya cocksucker?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-FLwonazA

That's 12 months from now.

May as well get Trout & Harper too. 

Will the Phillies have  a shot at signing Machado?

I think so.  They have the money.

they have a shot but doubt it will happen. 

eeriepadave

how long did it take everyone to get home from work today?  roads were pretty bad near me.

The Juggler

eeriepadave said:

how long did it take everyone to get home from work today?  roads were pretty bad near me.

So annoying. I had to come home for lunch later in the day. Took me about an hour to drive back. It's usually 20 minutes. 

Cliffy6745

Center city was mayhem around 5:15 or so. Cars honking everywhere. No one moving. Pretty sure septa bus drivers went on strike. Got really lucky with my commute. Landed on an el that wasn't busy then got a bus immediately, though it was packed as I have ever seen one. Good times.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

Center city was mayhem around 5:15 or so. Cars honking everywhere. No one moving. Pretty sure septa bus drivers went on strike. Got really lucky with my commute. Landed on an el that wasn't busy then got a bus immediately, though it was packed as I have ever seen one. Good times.

I was able to golf a couple times last December. Fuck this weather. 

eeriepadave

Yeah took me like an hour and 15 minutes or so to get home.  Usually takes like 15-20 minutes.  Tried to take back roads but no matter where i went it was bad.  Luckily google maps helped a little. I know some people took over 2 hours to get home so I guess i shouldn't feel too bad.

igotid88

You guys got Carlos Santana and Rob Thomson (close enough to Thomas)