It (for the most part) rewards survival of the fittest / tallest.
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I can attest to the contrary
For LA1 I got in the GA line about an hour before the gates opened and I got 5-6 rows back from the stage. I don't know that survival of the fittest really fits waiting an hour and choosing a decent spot in GA. If there is someone tall you can just move out of the way, which I did to a successful effect
It is waaayy more fair to have GA than to have a seniority based system up in front. Simple having a lottery in a couple of rows is in no way fairer than a "anyone has a chance if they are in the fan club" approach like the current GA system, which is why I like the current system
The list cartel needs to be broken. It is very clear there were traveling bands of PJ fans who dominated the front of the pit night after night. How about people who have jobs and kids who would like to up front but can't because they have adult responsibilities? They should have a shot at being up front without having to be on a sidewalk all day.
Springsteen system puts the list cartel out of business and gives all fans a shot at rail, not just the lunatics who spend their whole day on the sidewalk.
You really do have a shot of being up front. If you don't wait in line all day you just stand directly behind the people leaning on the rail. There really isn't a difference, except that you actually have more room to rock put because there isn't an unyielding wall restricting your movements.
Then why are people lining up at 3am on the cold sidewalk to be on the rail?
The list cartel needs to be broken. It is very clear there were traveling bands of PJ fans who dominated the front of the pit night after night. How about people who have jobs and kids who would like to up front but can't because they have adult responsibilities? They should have a shot at being up front without having to be on a sidewalk all day.
Springsteen system puts the list cartel out of business and gives all fans a shot at rail, not just the lunatics who spend their whole day on the sidewalk.
You really do have a shot of being up front. If you don't wait in line all day you just stand directly behind the people leaning on the rail. There really isn't a difference, except that you actually have more room to rock put because there isn't an unyielding wall restricting your movements.
Then why are people lining up at 3am on the cold sidewalk to be on the rail?
Because they are psychotic?
I honestly don't know. It makes little sense to do that just to literally get 3 feet closer, but that's what they do.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with the GA system other than the douche bags that want to start a list. I got in line in charlotte at 5ish and was 5 heads back in the center from the rail. There was plenty of room to move around. People were considerate and polite. There's always, let me repeat that, always going to be an asshole or two in the crowd.
Don't change a things ed. This is America. If you don't like GA, find a seat or go get a ticket to the next Lillith Fair event.
I am so down with that, GA is a really cool experience.
Not to mention it isn't like it is the only thing available - you still have TC reserved seats based on seniority if that floats your boat. It is a win-win as far as I am concerned
The only issue are the idiots with the "list" in GA, trying to impose and reinforce arbitrary rules that not everyone agrees on or even knows about (let alone that fact that it isn't an official policy)
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I couldnt disagree more. if you dont want to stand in he GA, get a reserve seat. Yes, the "list" in the GA line sucks. What the hell do u expect when standing at a rock concert?
I have been to many GA shows of other artists and sorry, this was in no way like any other GA show I have been to.. other shows you acutally could move your arms, perhaps even extend them! You stood with a space around you.. not packed in and not with the guy behind you pressed into you from behind, the right side and left side. It is not safe.
Plus to watch a neighbor who you do not even know have to constantly be looking behind her shoulder because she was afraid the jerks were going to try to surge again is not fun.. and it is not "benefiting personally". This girl was not enjoying herself because she nearly did go down once or twice.
Which shows did you go GA at?
I ask because I went to Phx thru Oak and besides Prague last year were the most comfortable GAs I've been in. Berlin and Manchester1 last year were pretty bad.
Mins you at Man1 some guy was trying to ram his way through...and he was soon over the heads and over the rail. By his design I know not.
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I am so down with that, GA is a really cool experience.
Not to mention it isn't like it is the only thing available - you still have TC reserved seats based on seniority if that floats your boat. It is a win-win as far as I am concerned
The only issue are the idiots with the "list" in GA, trying to impose and reinforce arbitrary rules that not everyone agrees on or even knows about (let alone that fact that it isn't an official policy)
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A small GA pit like PJ had beats floor seats up front. Seats are typically way too close together and really makes it hard to enjoy the show. With GA pit you can always find space as long as they don't oversell it.
At a minimum the list czars have to go. Also, personally I would like it to be a Springsteen system so all could have a shot at rail. At at least one show EV mentioned he recognized some people up front, those are the self absorbed, selfish, list people for sure. Those people have to go.
The list cartel needs to be broken. It is very clear there were traveling bands of PJ fans who dominated the front of the pit night after night. How about people who have jobs and kids who would like to up front but can't because they have adult responsibilities? They should have a shot at being up front without having to be on a sidewalk all day.
Springsteen system puts the list cartel out of business and gives all fans a shot at rail, not just the lunatics who spend their whole day on the sidewalk.
I can go with this. And I did do the line all day and get the rail one time so I've had the benefit.
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I couldnt disagree more. if you dont want to stand in he GA, get a reserve seat. Yes, the "list" in the GA line sucks. What the hell do u expect when standing at a rock concert?
I have been to many GA shows of other artists and sorry, this was in no way like any other GA show I have been to.. other shows you acutally could move your arms, perhaps even extend them! You stood with a space around you.. not packed in and not with the guy behind you pressed into you from behind, the right side and left side. It is not safe.
Plus to watch a neighbor who you do not even know have to constantly be looking behind her shoulder because she was afraid the jerks were going to try to surge again is not fun.. and it is not "benefiting personally". This girl was not enjoying herself because she nearly did go down once or twice.
Which shows did you go GA at?
I ask because I went to Phx thru Oak and besides Prague last year were the most comfortable GAs I've been in. Berlin and Manchester1 last year were pretty bad.
Mins you at Man1 some guy was trying to ram his way through...and he was soon over the heads and over the rail. By his design I know not.
I was at charlotte this year and deer creek way back in the day. but in no noblesville, the GA was behind the seated area. Plus countless other ga shows back inhe 90's.
I have been to many GA shows of other artists and sorry, this was in no way like any other GA show I have been to.. other shows you acutally could move your arms, perhaps even extend them! You stood with a space around you.. not packed in and not with the guy behind you pressed into you from behind, the right side and left side. It is not safe.
Plus to watch a neighbor who you do not even know have to constantly be looking behind her shoulder because she was afraid the jerks were going to try to surge again is not fun.. and it is not "benefiting personally". This girl was not enjoying herself because she nearly did go down once or twice.[/quote]
Which shows did you go GA at?
I ask because I went to Phx thru Oak and besides Prague last year were the most comfortable GAs I've been in. Berlin and Manchester1 last year were pretty bad.
Mins you at Man1 some guy was trying to ram his way through...and he was soon over the heads and over the rail. By his design I know not.[/quote]
I was at charlotte this year and deer creek way back in the day. but in no noblesville, the GA was behind the seated area. Plus countless other ga shows back inhe 90's.[/quote]
I was aiming my question at the other fella. Seems like we're on the same page here.
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Go for reserved seats next time. Let those who enjoy the GA section enjoy it
I agree, they should keep GA, and just move it to the back of the floor. Let all the drunk idiots jump around back there. Then let's see how popular it is.
I didn't read through all this, but my thought is its up to you whether or not you want to wait in line. if you want to be on the rail, yes you have to be early. theres no getting around that. but my strategy would be to be more relaxed, and stroll in whenever, and at worst, you're 15 deep but still damn close.
i got reserved this tour for my one show, but i would do GA next time if i could get the tix. nothing beats being that close
If you don't want to(or can't) wait in line to get close then go for reserved tickets. Its not a big deal really. you're still going to have great seats.
Yes, its cool to be on the rail and close to the band. But it's also great to just be in the building. I've had nosebleed seats a few times and have had a blast. It almost seems like some people can't go to the show and enjoy it anymore if they aren't there pressed up against the rail.
Keep GA here. We had loads of room as we rocked up like after entry and still go nice and close without douchebags getting ahead of us.
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Love GA. I went to a few shows this tour and didn't even enter until just before pearl jam came on and still was so damn close with plenty of room. Waiting all day to be three people in front of me is for the birds.
Love GA. Had the best experience at a PJ concert I've been to. Enjoyed my day and lined up just before doors opened and was 4-5 rows back whole night. Plenty of room and people were super cool. Way more room than many concerts I've been to at smaller venues. Think its a great idea for longtime fans to get a chance up close to see their favorite band.
I had GA for Worcester 2 and Seattle on this tour. I didn't try for the rail in Worcester. I was 10 people from the rail in front of Jeff & had a great time. My friend (who lives in the Seattle area) and I decided to line up early to get close for Seattle. I was a bit concerned about "the list" because of the stories I had read here about people getting great list numbers then enjoying the city and coming back an hour before doors to their old spot in line. I can say that didn't happen in Seattle. There were line checks at specific times (which were announced to all who were there) so all would know when the next one was. If you missed 1 line check you no longer had a number & had to get a new (worse) one if you so chose to get a number again. Here is when the line checks were held: 6am, 9am, 11:30am, 2pm, 4pm, 5pm. As you can see, it would be impossible to go enjoy the tourist sites of Seattle & make it back for the next line check. People were looking out for each other. Donuts and (lots of) coffee were bought for sharing with other fans. I met awesome fans from (among other places) Brazil, Italy, Australia, Canada, Rhode Island, Denver, Ohio, and NYC. I caught up with friends from Chicago I had met on the 1st leg. When it was time to go inside the Key we were walked in. I had the rail between an Italian man and a Brazilian woman. This was my 58th PJ show and my first time on the rail. It was a memorable experience not only for the show (which I loved) but also for the people I shared it with. If GA can be run this way for future USA/Canada shows, then I think it can not only continue but flourish.
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It (for the most part) rewards survival of the fittest / tallest.
And it's another stab , push back of folks who have seniority.
And I almost wince at admitting I have seniority. We seem to be the new "smokers " everybody hates us, band bends backwards to make sure we have limited ticket benefits lately.
We've already got the lottery for rows 1-2 ; 9&10.
Now we have another "Lottery" just to get "any" ticket.
That's fine, I get the bands desire for "fairness" but I think a permanent GA relegates anyone under 6 feet (and not wanting to "camp out" the entire pre-show) to the side loge.
I know, I know "wah, wah, wah"....
i wish more people with seniority would speak up. :thumbup:
...and i have never actually read anything the band has officially announced that they changed it to GA for "fairness". it's all speculation around here. university of michigan football has recently done something similar to students with seniority seating. sounds more like a money thing to me.
To be honest, I loved GA. My hubby & I love the outdoors, we love winter, so waiting in line in the cold was nothing to us. We drank hot cocoa, brought our sleeping bags that we later donated to the homeless, wore our down coats and had a great time talking with people from all over the world. Had it been raining, I probably would have passed and traded my tix for seats. I had GA for several shows this tour and each experience kept getting better and better! Plus I met some truly inspiring and awesome people that I hope to see on the next tour.
And yes, it is somewhat 'survival of the fittest', which is fine with me. I am fit.
I had GA for Worcester 2 and Seattle on this tour. I didn't try for the rail in Worcester. I was 10 people from the rail in front of Jeff & had a great time. My friend (who lives in the Seattle area) and I decided to line up early to get close for Seattle. I was a bit concerned about "the list" because of the stories I had read here about people getting great list numbers then enjoying the city and coming back an hour before doors to their old spot in line. I can say that didn't happen in Seattle. There were line checks at specific times (which were announced to all who were there) so all would know when the next one was. If you missed 1 line check you no longer had a number & had to get a new (worse) one if you so chose to get a number again. Here is when the line checks were held: 6am, 9am, 11:30am, 2pm, 4pm, 5pm. As you can see, it would be impossible to go enjoy the tourist sites of Seattle & make it back for the next line check. People were looking out for each other. Donuts and (lots of) coffee were bought for sharing with other fans. I met awesome fans from (among other places) Brazil, Italy, Australia, Canada, Rhode Island, Denver, Ohio, and NYC. I caught up with friends from Chicago I had met on the 1st leg. When it was time to go inside the Key we were walked in. I had the rail between an Italian man and a Brazilian woman. This was my 58th PJ show and my first time on the rail. It was a memorable experience not only for the show (which I loved) but also for the people I shared it with. If GA can be run this way for future USA/Canada shows, then I think it can not only continue but flourish.
Well said, and I agree. I was there in Seattle as well, #48 and got rail. The people organizing the list did a fair job.
what people do with their own time outside of the show has no impact in the pit.
^^this^^
Why anyone cares what anyone else does prior to the show is beyond me. Most of the time when I read all the complaints, it just sounds like people are just envious of the fans that actually have the free time to sit around all day goofing off in line and having fun waiting for the show to start. Some people like to be in a bar just prior to the show, some like to make friends in the line and make it a fun experience. Who really cares? If you want a chance at the rail, plan on being at least in the top 60 or 70 people. Beyond that it is too much to keep an eye on and yeah, you are probably better off coming back at show time and just being 3 or 4 rows deep.
If someone is uncomfortable in GA they can just move back, and next time go for reserved seats. A person who willingly stays in an uncomfortable position when they are free to get out of it and then complain after seems like a crazy person.
In Vancouver i didn't have to really wait in line, was three from the rail, and it was so comfortable with enough space that the guy next to me was actually able to twirl me.
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For LA1 I got in the GA line about an hour before the gates opened and I got 5-6 rows back from the stage. I don't know that survival of the fittest really fits waiting an hour and choosing a decent spot in GA. If there is someone tall you can just move out of the way, which I did to a successful effect
It is waaayy more fair to have GA than to have a seniority based system up in front. Simple having a lottery in a couple of rows is in no way fairer than a "anyone has a chance if they are in the fan club" approach like the current GA system, which is why I like the current system
I honestly don't know. It makes little sense to do that just to literally get 3 feet closer, but that's what they do.
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Don't change a things ed. This is America. If you don't like GA, find a seat or go get a ticket to the next Lillith Fair event.
Not to mention it isn't like it is the only thing available - you still have TC reserved seats based on seniority if that floats your boat. It is a win-win as far as I am concerned
The only issue are the idiots with the "list" in GA, trying to impose and reinforce arbitrary rules that not everyone agrees on or even knows about (let alone that fact that it isn't an official policy)
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Lilith Fair won't work, here's the 1998 festival:
Which shows did you go GA at?
I ask because I went to Phx thru Oak and besides Prague last year were the most comfortable GAs I've been in. Berlin and Manchester1 last year were pretty bad.
Mins you at Man1 some guy was trying to ram his way through...and he was soon over the heads and over the rail. By his design I know not.
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
At a minimum the list czars have to go. Also, personally I would like it to be a Springsteen system so all could have a shot at rail. At at least one show EV mentioned he recognized some people up front, those are the self absorbed, selfish, list people for sure. Those people have to go.
I can go with this. And I did do the line all day and get the rail one time so I've had the benefit.
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Plus to watch a neighbor who you do not even know have to constantly be looking behind her shoulder because she was afraid the jerks were going to try to surge again is not fun.. and it is not "benefiting personally". This girl was not enjoying herself because she nearly did go down once or twice.[/quote]
Which shows did you go GA at?
I ask because I went to Phx thru Oak and besides Prague last year were the most comfortable GAs I've been in. Berlin and Manchester1 last year were pretty bad.
Mins you at Man1 some guy was trying to ram his way through...and he was soon over the heads and over the rail. By his design I know not.[/quote]
I was at charlotte this year and deer creek way back in the day. but in no noblesville, the GA was behind the seated area. Plus countless other ga shows back inhe 90's.[/quote]
I was aiming my question at the other fella. Seems like we're on the same page here.
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I agree, they should keep GA, and just move it to the back of the floor. Let all the drunk idiots jump around back there. Then let's see how popular it is.
i got reserved this tour for my one show, but i would do GA next time if i could get the tix. nothing beats being that close
This!
Keep GA, adds so much energy!
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Yes, its cool to be on the rail and close to the band. But it's also great to just be in the building. I've had nosebleed seats a few times and have had a blast. It almost seems like some people can't go to the show and enjoy it anymore if they aren't there pressed up against the rail.
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i wish more people with seniority would speak up. :thumbup:
...and i have never actually read anything the band has officially announced that they changed it to GA for "fairness". it's all speculation around here. university of michigan football has recently done something similar to students with seniority seating. sounds more like a money thing to me.
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And yes, it is somewhat 'survival of the fittest', which is fine with me. I am fit.
^^this^^
Why anyone cares what anyone else does prior to the show is beyond me. Most of the time when I read all the complaints, it just sounds like people are just envious of the fans that actually have the free time to sit around all day goofing off in line and having fun waiting for the show to start. Some people like to be in a bar just prior to the show, some like to make friends in the line and make it a fun experience. Who really cares? If you want a chance at the rail, plan on being at least in the top 60 or 70 people. Beyond that it is too much to keep an eye on and yeah, you are probably better off coming back at show time and just being 3 or 4 rows deep.
In Vancouver i didn't have to really wait in line, was three from the rail, and it was so comfortable with enough space that the guy next to me was actually able to twirl me.