Dear Pearl Jam, let's re-think this whole GA thing..

SVRDhand13

Keep GA

People with low 10C numbers had plenty of opportunities to be close to the stage. Now make them earn it.

JimmyV

I don't want GA tickets myself but I have no problem with the shift to it the band has made. These shows were some of the best in years. GA and the new faces at the rail are one of the reasons why. (I would argue the decision to open many shows without an opening act and the FACT that Lightning Bolt is a much better record than Backspacer also contributed.)

What needs to happen is that we as fans need to reject the bullshit list. If some dude who you have not seen for hours or all day shows up with a number written on his hand and tries to get in front of you DO NOT LET HIM!! We all have smart phones. Start taking pictures of these line jumpers. Post their pictures here. Many of them will be known. Shame these people and let others know to be on the lookout for them. Make it as hard as possible for this stunt to be pulled off and it will happen less and less.

curly

ok,...I take back what I said....how bout every other tour they do GA...

cause I am totally with this post....easily half the the first 50 shows I went to back in the day....
damn right, ....feet wouldn't be touching the floor for easily have the show as us packed like sardines was scary as hell...but you did it to see the band up close....and boy when that crowd would shift...Yikes, I can feel it now...you have no idea unless you been there....that crowd shifting 5 feet to the left when your feet are barely touching....its frightening but awesome at the same time...and the few times I did get the rail back then,...I do not miss the massive bruises on my front hip bones from the front rail when the crowd would shift....
41 years old now and if I had to do it all over again.....Have to say I wouldn't change a thing...

Naturally some cities are going to be a little bit more rowdier/ drunk than others...but basically the GA at a pj show these days is about as safe as you can get it....which is good...kids nowadays get their cool ass iphones and shit...cause the days of true GA are far and few between...

Peace

63schoefflin wrote:

It's a rock concert, there isn't supposed to be space in GA. I've been to shows where you are so packed that your feet don't even touch the ground. The list thing is complete bs but to get rid of GA would be an awful idea. This is the best thing they have done in years and it's not like their fans are 20-25 years old anymore moshing up front.

There is so much more energy with GA that if they go back it will look lame.

texasistheSTEVEN

MG79478 wrote:

Only because you lack vision. Make the back half of the floor GA Pit. It's a win for nearly everyone.

- There are more tickets to sell, more people can see PJ, PJ makes more money.
- Seniority would actually matter as it should, as the most senior members get the best seats.
- Drunk idiots would still have a place to be drunk idiots.
- There would be no more line drama because no one would wait in line all day for a rear GA pit.

Obviously just eliminating GA is the preferable path, that's why it's listed as #1.

Vision........nah you lack any idea of what makes a good show and are only thinking of number 1.

-If you wanna have more tickets to sell then make the whole floor GA. Squeezing more people in for money is not something I think they care about these days anyway.
-I don't believe in seniority. I've been a fan since the start, just because I've always had very little money and couldn't afford to pay in for 10c, does that mean I'm supposed to sit in the gods with all the other "non PJ loving" peasants. GA gives EVERYONE a chance, also it means the first 3/6 rows aren't full of people yawning because its their 97th show and they might finally hear bugs.
-Drunk idiots are everywhere, front row, back row, GA.
-I agree about line drama, but that doesn't affect me because I don't need to see up the band members noses when I see them play and taste the wine like some weird quasi-religious cult.

The idea of a general admission back end of the arena is just so comical and pointless.

No one is ever going to be pleased with what this band does. I think GA, even the first third is a step in the right direction as they know how crazy Euro and S American shows get when the whole floor is GA.

Alfonz

I seriously wonder if some people never go to any other shows. It's like GA at a PJ show is some radical concept that doesn't happen at any other concert.

People complaining about how it is "unsafe" ... I would suggest it is perfectly safe based on how many people were injured (i.e. none, I think) during the tour.

From my seats I could see that the GA area had plentiful room if you thought it was too tightly packed up front. It was maybe 2/3 full, if that. I don't understand why people *must* be up front. It is actually better to be back a bit, the sound in an arena will be much better, plus you get to take in a bit more of the light/stage show. And you're still really close.

If you don't like it, then why put in for GA and then complain about it? I was shut out of GA and made do with reserved. These were still awesome seats to enjoy the show from. Go and sit in those and leave the GA to people who aren't going to whinge about it.

thefixer9

Being in the GA was awesome!! And I didn't even need to wait in line!

scratched vinyl

Chairs on the floor is for Elton John concerts. Keep PJ GA!

texasistheSTEVEN

scratched vinyl wrote:

Chairs on the floor is for Elton John concerts. Keep PJ GA!

DewieCox

Alfonz wrote:

I seriously wonder if some people never go to any other shows. It's like GA at a PJ show is some radical concept that doesn't happen at any other concert.

People complaining about how it is "unsafe" ... I would suggest it is perfectly safe based on how many people were injured (i.e. none, I think) during the tour.

From my seats I could see that the GA area had plentiful room if you thought it was too tightly packed up front. It was maybe 2/3 full, if that. I don't understand why people *must* be up front. It is actually better to be back a bit, the sound in an arena will be much better, plus you get to take in a bit more of the light/stage show. And you're still really close.

If you don't like it, then why put in for GA and then complain about it? I was shut out of GA and made do with reserved. These were still awesome seats to enjoy the show from. Go and sit in those and leave the GA to people who aren't going to whinge about it.

As I pointed out earlier, that's a major cop out, and I've seen no facts to dispute it.

dimitrispearljam

the band made it choice ..the tour happened as they want..and the next one will happen as they want...
as i said before,now after so many fans saw eddie and mike do their things in front of their face try to convince them to go back t...yeah right..

and just look around

95% of tickets trades are people want to give their seated tix for GA...

MG79478

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Keep GA

People with low 10C numbers had plenty of opportunities to be close to the stage. Now make them earn it.

I'm all with you on "earning" stuff... so let's get rid of the ticket lottery too and go back to F5!

But what about the people with mid-range 10C numbers that patiently waited for their seats to get better in the existing system, who suddenly get worse seats because of the GA pit? Those people have never had the opportunities to get close to the stage, and most likely are now old enough that they don't want to fight the GA crowd.

texasistheSTEVEN wrote:

Vision........nah you lack any idea of what makes a good show and are only thinking of number 1.

FAIL. I've seen PJ more than 50 times, and at least 100 other concerts. I'm pretty sure I know what makes a good concert, and it's not fighting a bunch of pretentious drunk idiots in a GA pit. My location in relation to the stage isn't going to make or break whether the show is good. Have you ever wondered what you were missing at a concert while you were obsessing about your ticket location?

I also don't have a great 10C number, so I'm obviously not just "thinking of number 1". In fact I frequently advocate positions on this board that do not benefit me, but are fair and consistent.

MG79478

dimitrispearljam wrote:

95% of tickets trades are people want to give their seated tix for GA...

That's just simple supply and demand. If the entire floor was 10C GA, and a small amount of side stage seats were 10C seated, you would see the opposite.

texasistheSTEVEN

MG79478 wrote:

texasistheSTEVEN wrote:

Vision........nah you lack any idea of what makes a good show and are only thinking of number 1.

FAIL. I've seen PJ more than 50 times, and at least 100 other concerts. I'm pretty sure I know what makes a good concert, and it's not fighting a bunch of pretentious drunk idiots in a GA pit. My location in relation to the stage isn't going to make or break whether the show is good. Have you ever wondered what you were missing at a concert while you were obsessing about your ticket location?

I also don't have a great 10C number, so I'm obviously not just "thinking of number 1". In fact I frequently advocate positions on this board that do not benefit me, but are fair and consistent.

WELL DONE, you saw them 50 times.
If you wanna pull out dicks and start measuring them how about I have toured the world playing in bands, I've played gigs in a ton of different countries to my own, as well as my own and I've lost count of how many gigs I've either been to or played. I know what makes a good gig and all floor standing is it. Like someone said previously seats in front of the stage is for dinosaur rock acts and I don't think we are quite there yet.

Sorry to pull the "rock credentials" card out but you went there and that is my retort

Sounds like you had a pretty bad time in GA and if it was your first time then you are more than welcome to question it?

I saw 4 shows from this last tour and night 1 Brooklyn I was in the gods behind the stage. I enjoyed that just as much as the other three. I don't obsess over ticket locations.

btw, I enjoy a good debate on this so no hard feelings :corn:

I am intrigued as to why people would prefer seats in front of the stage rather than standing. You are going to stand anyway so whats the problem? Do you need to own that 1foot of space around you to feel safe and secure. By the sounds of it, even in seats drunk assholes exist. I had a guy spewing up in front of me in seats for the whole of Philly 1.

mcgruff10

jrnyc wrote:

The list cartel needs to be broken. It is very clear there were traveling bands of PJ fans who dominated the front of the pit night after night. How about people who have jobs and kids who would like to up front but can't because they have adult responsibilities? They should have a shot at being up front without having to be on a sidewalk all day.

Springsteen system puts the list cartel out of business and gives all fans a shot at rail, not just the lunatics who spend their whole day on the sidewalk.

couldn't agree more with this.

Cosmo

Granted, I only went to 3 shows this tour and had General Admission for all 3 and it worked out great. I put in the time and effort to get up front and it paid off all 3 times.
I've been to, literally, hundreds of general admission gigs and it's pretty simple... don't be a dick.
Don't cut in line because that is a dick move. Just get in line... make friends with the people before you and the people after you and basically... that's it.
And once inside, find a spot where you can enjoy the show. Don't be a dick and shove little girls out of your way like a pussy who pushes girls around but would never try that shit on a guy.
And girls... when you walk into the venue... pay attention. If you walk up and stand behind a guy that is 6'1"' tall and don't notice he is 6'1" tall because you have your pretty little (but stupid) nose buried in your fucking iPhone the entire time, until the main act comes on... then, complain that you are staring into the back of a shirt that is worn by a guy that is fucking 6'1" tall. It's not his fault he is tall... or you are short. It is YOUR fucking fault for being a dumb-fuck that doesn't pay attention to where you are.
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In most cases, people are cool. If a mosh pit breaks out, oh, well... what can you do? But, if a dude tries to bumrush the stage, trust me... there are plenty of guys in the mix that'll shove him back.
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Personally... I like the the General Admission. it give everyone a chance and those who want to put in the time should get the best seat.
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Also, if you want to travel and enjoy the sights of other cities... that's on you. Just because you are a tourist doesn't mean the locals should abide to your whims.

Eraserhead

mfc2006 wrote:

I was in GA for Portland & Spokane. Picked up my tickets & popped around the cities until about 30 minutes before Mudhoney went on. Casually walked down & was 10-15 "rows" back. I was stoked. No need to wait in line overnight unless you really want to be up front.

Got GA in Portland too (along with LA2). Didn't bother queuing all day, joined the line at between 5:30 and 6:00 and was second row on Stone's side both nights. If you want the rail, then queue all day, if you want to be within the next 2-8 rows, then just show up when the doors open.

Cosmo

Eraserhead wrote:

mfc2006 wrote:

I was in GA for Portland & Spokane. Picked up my tickets & popped around the cities until about 30 minutes before Mudhoney went on. Casually walked down & was 10-15 "rows" back. I was stoked. No need to wait in line overnight unless you really want to be up front.

Got GA in Portland too (along with LA2). Didn't bother queuing all day, joined the line at between 5:30 and 6:00 and was second row on Stone's side both nights. If you want the rail, then queue all day, if you want to be within the next 2-8 rows, then just show up when the doors open.

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And there you have it.
That is basically it. The people who get there early have one thing in mind... to get a spot on the railing. That's it. And the railing can only accomodate so many people.
If you don't mind being a couple of people back, go to the parties... see the sights of the city... do whatever.
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it's the shitheads that think they deserve both, a reserved spot on the rail after going to the parties, seeing the sights of the cities... because they are the biggest fans of all.

Eraserhead

Yefa wrote:

There were line checks at specific times (which were announced to all who were there) so all would know when the next one was. If you missed 1 line check you no longer had a number & had to get a new (worse) one if you so chose to get a number again. Here is when the line checks were held: 6am, 9am, 11:30am, 2pm, 4pm, 5pm. As you can see, it would be impossible to go enjoy the tourist sites of Seattle & make it back for the next line check.

What if the line-check police went off all day drinking and sightseeing....?! :shock: :shock:

Cosmo

Eraserhead wrote:

Yefa wrote:

There were line checks at specific times (which were announced to all who were there) so all would know when the next one was. If you missed 1 line check you no longer had a number & had to get a new (worse) one if you so chose to get a number again. Here is when the line checks were held: 6am, 9am, 11:30am, 2pm, 4pm, 5pm. As you can see, it would be impossible to go enjoy the tourist sites of Seattle & make it back for the next line check.

What if the line-check police went off all day drinking and sightseeing....?! :shock: :shock:

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That's nanny-state line Nazism bullshit. We are fucking ADULTS... we don't need anyone's fantasy of self-imposed authority to oversee us. Those are the assholes that fuck shit up.
Quit being fucking Nazi-esque assholes... that's why people think you are assholes... because you are acting like an asshole.
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Also... if you want to see the sights of Seattle... get there a day before or stay a day later. Commit the show day to the show.

MayDay10

MG79478 wrote:

But what about the people with mid-range 10C numbers that patiently waited for their seats to get better in the existing system, who suddenly get worse seats because of the GA pit? Those people have never had the opportunities to get close to the stage, and most likely are now old enough that they don't want to fight the GA crowd.
number 1". In fact I frequently advocate positions on this board that do not benefit me, but are fair and consistent.


I'm all with you on "earning" stuff... so let's get rid of the ticket lottery too and go back to F5!

Im in this boat. Was pleased my location would improve over time. Was hoping to someday hit the "lottery". Now with this new GA section, my location is seriously downgraded.

I would happily go for GA. Probably would do what many will do and create a new account for my wife and go for GA ticket because 500xxx 10c number now doesnt matter, then my account would go for reserved.

If I got GA I would have no problem doing the time and waiting all day. But then I would stress out about pushy list people, assholes who "cut", and incompetent staff/terrible entry system. Then once in the pit have to constantly worry about people trying to push in front of me. Im 5'5" so being in the back of GA isnt a great option. I also dont feel like "pushing back" or being an asshole myself. Before we know it, we are 4 songs in.



I would be much more down with GA if the band put out some universal organization to the entry system. Something like the "Springsteen system" would be great.

I also think that they should have 3 categories: GA, Reserved, and Reserved Floor.

I think that they should also "chop" GA into a few tiers with a limited number of people allowed in each.