IF, and thats a massive "if"' if the woman was telling the truth, we all know how the line number people are. They probably wouldnt let someone in, so eventually the person would stop explaining themselves and just sort of muscle their way in, then eddie yells, all the line waiters who bonded all day start pointing to get her out..
That was awesome. You tell her Eddie! Obviously the person had to acting like a HUGE asshole for him to do that (Ed's aware - these strange theories i'm reading about list people conspiring to lay blame on someone who wasn't being extremely awful sound pretty outlandish), and good for him for calling her or them or whatever out. People who act like pricks deserve to be publicly humiliated. Also, it makes for an insanely entertaining YouTube video! Holy, Ed's kind of scary when he's mad!
Edit: just read the offending party's post... i find it very very hard (impossible) to believe that eddie acted like that towards someone who was doing nothing wrong. Explanation sounds pretty strange considering the result. Eddie obviously saw something specific happen to make him react like that.
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So I am the young lady that was thrown out by Eddie Vedder. First off I apologize if I ruined any of your times at the show...that was not my intent. I was helping a twelve year old get to his mom who had gone up a bit earlier. I didnt elbow anyone intentionally...I was pushed from the front by some angry concert goers...also from previous comments as others have stated...I did not punch anyone...I did not kick anyone. I do feel that it is a bit pretentious to feel that in a general admission concert that you can be so upset at another body being in your general area. You paid to be in a general area...not a seat...not a number. Sorry to piss off the lead singer but apparently anger made his songs better afterwards according to many of you. So now you can blow up the board on how big a piece of crap I am but honestly...in the old days...you can remember how a concert was. People would move around and get to the front and there was no drama like there was yesterday. Regardless...thanks to the security guard for being so cool...thanks for the people I did meet and were cool...and thanks for the memories where I get to tell my grandkids I got kicked out of the concert by Eddie Vedder.
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So by the sounds of things this person was trying to help a kid who shouldnt have been in GA get to their irresponsible parent who had left him somewhere else to go up front! Another reason why kids shouldnt be allowed in GA!
Why in the world is everyone believing this person's account of what happened???
Think about it, if it happened the way she tells it, no way would Ed have even noticed her trying to get a "kid" up there. Especially if this woman had been up there in the first place, people would have known and let her through.
This whole story reeks of bullshit. If she wasn't acting like a big enough a**hole to be noticed FROM THE STAGE by the LEAD SINGER who has better things to do than watch someone try to return a kid to the front, allegedly, she wouldn't have been noticed. She had to be acting all kinds of crazy to even be noticed at all, and then to be called out by Ed like that and kicked out of the GA, it had to have been obvoius and egregious.
Think about how many times Eddie Vedder has observed people being pushy at a show. Really. Think about it. 23 years as the leand singer of Pearl Jam... Dude has seen enough douchebags to last 7 lifetimes.
Now ask yourself, if it went down the way she said it, even including her version that people from behind shoved her, really? She was explaning to people along the way "Hey, just trying to get this kid to her/his mom" and they saw a kid with her (I don't believe for a second that any kid was involved at all but let's just take her word for a second) and STILL **EVERYONE** shoved her SO HARD, that from the stage it looked like she was blazing her own trail up to the front by throwing punches and forcing her way up front all alone? Really?
Y'all are some really gullible, erm, folks.
IF, and thats a massive "if"' if the woman was telling the truth, we all know how the line number people are. They probably wouldnt let someone in, so eventually the person would stop explaining themselves and just sort of muscle their way in, then eddie yells, all the line waiters who bonded all day start pointing to get her out..
Nope, that still doesn't explain it. Obviously it's true that people who are committed to "holding the rail" or their spots in the front do not take well to jerks who want to force their way up to the front whenver they feel like it. There would be no point in trying to be close if you knew there was anarchy and anyone could push you out of your spot anytime. And this is not (I hope!) a band who would stand by and watch their smaller or more peaceful fans be shoved around by bullies. Hello, what are half of their songs about??
So you still have to think about what Ed must've actually seen from the stage to react that way. There is NO way all he saw was some chick with a 12 yr old trying to get the kid to his/her mom. How does that make sense? How does anyone push their way through a crowd to allegedly get a kid to their mom and not have people maybe grumble a bit but let them through? These are the same fans that parted like the Red Sea on their own, without anyone asking, to let a guy in a wheelchair up to the rail. There are always assholes, but if it was not clear who the aggressor was or what was going on, most likely Ed would have done what he always does: ask for the lights to be turned on and asked if everyone was ok.
But it's clear from the videos, he was PISSED as hell, and for him to call on "Big Pete" to escort a woman out of the GA, he was sure of what he saw and it was much worse than what he has to see almost every night.
No way people guarding the rail somehow "instigated" a reaction in Pushy Chick that made it look like she was the agressor but she, somehow, really wasn't. That makes no damn sense.
This reminds me of the Bologna 2006 show when I left my place up near the front to go for a piss before the band had come on stage, and when I tried making my way back up to where my friends were standing, some people started gobbing off and telling me that they weren't gonna let me through - a small Italian girl with a big mouth was especially annoying. Could easily have degenerated into a fist fight with a couple of people, but I suppressed the urge. And by the start of the second song I was right back up at the front anyway.
Still annoys me a bit though when I think about it. A bunch of people acting tough and mouthing off, even though they had no fucking clue what was going on.
I think people were too hard on her in the fanviews thread.
I wasn´t at the show and I'm sure Ed had his reasons for doing this but
people f... up sometimes, then lesson learned in most cases. At least they let her stay to watch the rest of the show.
Punishment enough in getting called out by Ed in front of a 17000, or whatever, strong crowd......ouch :oops:
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I know that the ejected fan had nothing to do with any kid on someone's shoulder, but I think it's important:
What will it take for people realize that GA is not a safe environment for children??
Do the right thing and leave them home with a babysitter!!
That's quite a leap you just made from "Kids don't belong in GA" (which I mostly agree with) to ". they don't belong in the building at all, leave them home with a babysitter"! WTF?? I know a LOT of people here feel the same way you do, but that's simply NOT your call to make. Some of us have kids who like concerts, do well at them, and I have NEVER put my kids on my shoulders to see, because I don't bring them unless we either have seats or we're on a lawn on a blanket, probably mostly watching the screen. I have definitely allowed my kids to stand on the seats at times, but that just makes them as tall as most adults. They're not blocking anyone's view.
It's fine to object to the kids on teh shoulders... and of course everyone has the right to the opinion that no kids should be allowed at all. I just think that's a bulls**t point of view and have seen too many kids have too good a time (or at least seen enough kids not mind being there and parents who may otherwise not have been able to attend at all grateful that their kid is ok/excited about it, to have the nerve to DECREE that no one under ____ age can attend at all.
I really hope neither the band nor the venues listen to those of you calling for a blacnket "no kids allowed" policy.
And, just want to also point out that I've read many accounts on this tour of kids at teh BACK of GA, back up against the rails, not on their parents shoulders, who could see and were fine. The back of GA is not bad at all. I would NEVER bring my kid into the GA section, much less the front, but it seems like som ekids have bene fine and every show I've been to on this tour (5) the back of GA was totally chill. What is the problem with that as long as the kids' not on someone's shoulders?
And how old are you? If you're in your 40s, you'd know that fans didn't subject their kids to the concerts of the 90s. It's a mentality that's been thrown right out the window that an event as adult as a concert - with pushing, shoving, drunken, drugged out behavior with pot flowing freely through the crowd, fights brewing, beer spilling, boozing, and other behaviors are for ADULTS. Keep the kids HOME if you can't accept the adult behavior, and I stand by that remark!!! Rock concerts are not for kids!! I'm so sick of people desperately trying to be their kid's "friends" rather than being a good parent.
I think people were too hard on her in the fanviews thread.
I wasn´t at the show and I'm sure Ed had his reasons for doing this but
people f... up sometimes, then lesson learned in most cases. At least they let her stay to watch the rest of the show.
Punishment enough in getting called out by Ed in front of a 17000, or whatever, strong crowd......ouch :oops:
I think that is an understatement.
Anyone who calls someone a c*nt, wh*re and tells them to eat a d*ck for no reason (I bet they were not even near her) could easily behave the same way at a show...
Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...
I know that the ejected fan had nothing to do with any kid on someone's shoulder, but I think it's important:
What will it take for people realize that GA is not a safe environment for children??
Do the right thing and leave them home with a babysitter!!
That's quite a leap you just made from "Kids don't belong in GA" (which I mostly agree with) to ". they don't belong in the building at all, leave them home with a babysitter"! WTF?? I know a LOT of people here feel the same way you do, but that's simply NOT your call to make. Some of us have kids who like concerts, do well at them, and I have NEVER put my kids on my shoulders to see, because I don't bring them unless we either have seats or we're on a lawn on a blanket, probably mostly watching the screen. I have definitely allowed my kids to stand on the seats at times, but that just makes them as tall as most adults. They're not blocking anyone's view.
It's fine to object to the kids on teh shoulders... and of course everyone has the right to the opinion that no kids should be allowed at all. I just think that's a bulls**t point of view and have seen too many kids have too good a time (or at least seen enough kids not mind being there and parents who may otherwise not have been able to attend at all grateful that their kid is ok/excited about it, to have the nerve to DECREE that no one under ____ age can attend at all.
I really hope neither the band nor the venues listen to those of you calling for a blacnket "no kids allowed" policy.
And, just want to also point out that I've read many accounts on this tour of kids at teh BACK of GA, back up against the rails, not on their parents shoulders, who could see and were fine. The back of GA is not bad at all. I would NEVER bring my kid into the GA section, much less the front, but it seems like som ekids have bene fine and every show I've been to on this tour (5) the back of GA was totally chill. What is the problem with that as long as the kids' not on someone's shoulders?
And how old are you? If you're in your 40s, you'd know that fans didn't subject their kids to the concerts of the 90s. It's a mentality that's been thrown right out the window that an event as adult as a concert - with pushing, shoving, drunken, drugged out behavior with pot flowing freely through the crowd, fights brewing, beer spilling, boozing, and other behaviors are for ADULTS. Keep the kids HOME if you can't accept the adult behavior, and I stand by that remark!!! Rock concerts are not for kids!! I'm so sick of people desperately trying to be their kid's "friends" rather than being a good parent.
agree 100% unless your kid is at an age where you feel comfortable getting separated from them, and they are old enough to understand/be around drunks, drugs etc.. than keep them at home. find a sitter. my first concert was Candlebox in 1995 (followed closely by Hartford 96!!) i was 15 years old, and my parents were concerned about THAT.
If you want your children to experience art, take them to the opera, theater show, disney on ice, a museum.
Any place where i can legitimately expect someone to vomit beer all over my kid, is no place for my kid.
I know that the ejected fan had nothing to do with any kid on someone's shoulder, but I think it's important:
What will it take for people realize that GA is not a safe environment for children??
Do the right thing and leave them home with a babysitter!!
That's quite a leap you just made from "Kids don't belong in GA" (which I mostly agree with) to ". they don't belong in the building at all, leave them home with a babysitter"! WTF?? I know a LOT of people here feel the same way you do, but that's simply NOT your call to make. Some of us have kids who like concerts, do well at them, and I have NEVER put my kids on my shoulders to see, because I don't bring them unless we either have seats or we're on a lawn on a blanket, probably mostly watching the screen. I have definitely allowed my kids to stand on the seats at times, but that just makes them as tall as most adults. They're not blocking anyone's view.
It's fine to object to the kids on teh shoulders... and of course everyone has the right to the opinion that no kids should be allowed at all. I just think that's a bulls**t point of view and have seen too many kids have too good a time (or at least seen enough kids not mind being there and parents who may otherwise not have been able to attend at all grateful that their kid is ok/excited about it, to have the nerve to DECREE that no one under ____ age can attend at all.
I really hope neither the band nor the venues listen to those of you calling for a blacnket "no kids allowed" policy.
And, just want to also point out that I've read many accounts on this tour of kids at teh BACK of GA, back up against the rails, not on their parents shoulders, who could see and were fine. The back of GA is not bad at all. I would NEVER bring my kid into the GA section, much less the front, but it seems like som ekids have bene fine and every show I've been to on this tour (5) the back of GA was totally chill. What is the problem with that as long as the kids' not on someone's shoulders?
And how old are you? If you're in your 40s, you'd know that fans didn't subject their kids to the concerts of the 90s. It's a mentality that's been thrown right out the window that an event as adult as a concert - with pushing, shoving, drunken, drugged out behavior with pot flowing freely through the crowd, fights brewing, beer spilling, boozing, and other behaviors are for ADULTS. Keep the kids HOME if you can't accept the adult behavior, and I stand by that remark!!! Rock concerts are not for kids!! I'm so sick of people desperately trying to be their kid's "friends" rather than being a good parent.
I am in my 40s, but I have had a different experience than you obviously with kids at shows over the years. You make a big mistake assuming that just because your experience has been NOT to see kids at shows over the years, that the rest of the US is exactly the same as wherever you've been going. I went to shows with my mom when I was a kid. There are others in some of the "other music" threads who talk about going to shows with their parents, and some are old enough to have seen bands you've never even heard of. And before I had my own kids, I was at shows with parents and their kids for decades.
So no, it is not true that no one brought their kids to shows until the 90s. Seriously, that you even think that kinda blows my mind.
As for today, and "parents trying to be friends with their kids", I can only wonder if you actually have kids yourself, and I'm going to guess a big NO to that. Because if you did have kids, I'd hope you would understand the difference between bringing them places and yet still making sure they're ok, making sure they behave, and otherwise all having a good time, between that and irresponsibly bringing them into a mosh pit , or without ear protection, or if the kid is obviously miserable, or heaven forbid actually letting them go somewhere with someone like the chick Ed kicked out of the show. Taking your kids to a show does NOT = "trying to be their friend instead of their parent".
If you're so concerned about the well-being of children in the world, I can only hope you actually put time and energy into programs for kids who are actually PROVEN to have inadequate parents, as in families with open child abuse and neglect cases. Or do you step up in your personal life when people you know or neighbors seem to be mistreating their kids? Maybe you can make sure you act responsibily in your own life on this topic and stop wasting energy on assuming that just because you don't agree or aren't used to people doing something, it means they're BAD PARENTS.
No kid I've ever seen or brought to a show has ever been hurt, thrown up on, or seen something horribly inappropriate. But then again, maybe I have much better taste in bands than you do, since it sounds like drunk pushy people are a given at the shows you go to? And by the way, I've gone to plenty of PJ shows with kids. PJ fans are aswesome (chick this thread is about as an obvious exception. But then again, I wouldn't have been in GA with my kid anyway.).
At the end of the day though, the good news is, you are fully entitled to your opinion... and I'm fully entitled to keep bringing my kids to shows that I know they'd enjoy. And I will keep bringing them.
If you want to keep talking about this, we should probably start a different thread, since no kids were actually involved in the fan ejection situation and so this thread is not about kids at concrts.
meh, the sooner everyone comes to terms with the fact that 85% of pearl jam fans are self-absorbed assholes, the easier it is to move on.
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LOL, the venom towards "children" is sort of funny... actually, nah, it's a little sad. People actually complaining that children are "tambourine targets" sounds pretty childish too btw. I mean are grown ups really bitching about that? To use an oft and overused phrase from these very forums ... "first world problems".
Anyway, I personally wouldn't bring a child in to a GA section of a concert, but that's a CHOICE I make. But I am curious to hear what age you all deem appropriate? So Pearl Jam and 13 would be no. What about Selena Gomez? Or are we going to arbitrarily categorize artists? Who gets to be the judge and jury? How are we going to prove a 16 year old is 16? What about festivals? Seriously, some of you kind of need to get over yourselves.
Flame away.
I dont care if they never, ever look at/acknowledge me, nor do I care if I get a tambourine, drumstick, etc. That isnt it, jealousy that someone has a better 'bargaining chip' than me.
When you see a kid hoisted up in the pit, it is quite clear what the intention is of the father.
I dont care if there are kids at a show, but a GA pit is madness. The kid cant see anything except a bunch of asses in his/her face, its close quarters, likely to see drug use, and get separated. Of course you can hoist the kid up, but that is a dick move for the people behind you... which usually is me.
Im a father, and I am all about experiences with the kid, but no way until he is old enough, and even then it will certainly not be in the pit, fishing for Eddie and Mike's attention and schwag. I have seen kids in the seated areas and lawns which is fine IMO. They have had a good time and were able to get into the aisle so they can see. Also these kids are typically early teens at the youngest. Anyone younger seems to be a miserable time.
If Selena Gomez was next to me in the pit, I would leave the show with her before Eddie starts swinging during Porch and never look back at that decision.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
meh, the sooner everyone comes to terms with the fact that 85% of pearl jam fans are self-absorbed assholes, the easier it is to move on.
So what do you think the breakdown is of "self-absorbed assholes" to "super cool people" on this board?
Because if this board is representative of the larger fanbase, it sure seems more like 85-90% cool people, 10-15% total jerks. Seriously, there are some nice or at least harmless-seeming people on here.
At the end of the day, no matter who the fanbase really is, no one should expect to be able to show up at a show and be that rude to others and get away with it. No one's world should crumble at the discovery that there are people like this woman, but no one should go to a show and assume that her obnoxious behavior is a given either. It really isn't.
meh, the sooner everyone comes to terms with the fact that 85% of pearl jam fans are self-absorbed assholes, the easier it is to move on.
So what do you think the breakdown is of "self-absorbed assholes" to "super cool people" on this board?
Because if this board is representative of the larger fanbase, it sure seems more like 85-90% cool people, 10-15% total jerks. Seriously, there are some nice or at least harmless-seeming people on here.
At the end of the day, no matter who the fanbase really is, no one should expect to be able to show up at a show and be that rude to others and get away with it. No one's world should crumble at the discovery that there are people like this woman, but no one should go to a show and assume that her obnoxious behavior is a given either. It really isn't.
there are plenty of good people on this board and i have met many and again... great people. but keep in mind those that actually post on this board is a very small % of those in 10C and a miniscule % of the overall fan base.
i have the Flipboard app on my iPad and have pearl jam saved as one of my favorite searches. it's funny to scroll through the endless tweets of people taking selfies prior to the show in their bathroom #grunge #throwback90s #pearljam #nirvana #flannel
I think people were too hard on her in the fanviews thread.
I wasn´t at the show and I'm sure Ed had his reasons for doing this but
people f... up sometimes, then lesson learned in most cases. At least they let her stay to watch the rest of the show.
Punishment enough in getting called out by Ed in front of a 17000, or whatever, strong crowd......ouch :oops:
I think that is an understatement.
Anyone who calls someone a c*nt, wh*re and tells them to eat a d*ck for no reason (I bet they were not even near her) could easily behave the same way at a show...
Yeah, that was totally out of control. I hope the people that posted that crap are gone for good.
If what the offender did was so bad, why was she allowed to stay? A little pushing and people trying to improve their position is fully expected in ga. I wonder what part the ridiculous list had in this debacle.
You think for a moment when Eddie called for her attention she thought "God damn, I'm going backstage and Eddie will give me a pearl necklace" ?
If Selena Gomez was next to me in the pit, I would leave the show with her before Eddie starts swinging during Porch and never look back at that decision.
I was at a Guns N Roses concert sometime around 1988. They were opening for Aerosmith. It was at one of those racetracks in upstate NY.
Anyway, I'm about 10 rows from the stage when this dude walks in front of me with this gigantic python or boa constrictor wrapped around his neck and arms. This snake was friggin' huge and scary. I backed away and let him pass as did every single person in front of me. Dude and snake were on the rail for GNR without an elbow, punch or even a dirty look. Now that's the way to do it.
meh, the sooner everyone comes to terms with the fact that 85% of pearl jam fans are self-absorbed assholes, the easier it is to move on.
So what do you think the breakdown is of "self-absorbed assholes" to "super cool people" on this board?
Because if this board is representative of the larger fanbase, it sure seems more like 85-90% cool people, 10-15% total jerks.
It's the 10-15% that get the attention and make it seem like it's 85% of the fans. Maybe it's the safety of being behind a computer screen and being a self absorbed asshole. But all the people I have met have been nothing but nice.
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I knew this had something to do with "the list".
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:eh:
What did Bean Girl do?
I just Googled "Bean Girl Pearl Jam" and found a thread about her on this message board.
http://bbs.pearl-jam.net/forum.php
Indio was the worst IMHO.. but I guess we all have quite a bit of Angry Ed to choose from.
Edit: just read the offending party's post... i find it very very hard (impossible) to believe that eddie acted like that towards someone who was doing nothing wrong. Explanation sounds pretty strange considering the result. Eddie obviously saw something specific happen to make him react like that.
Nope, that still doesn't explain it. Obviously it's true that people who are committed to "holding the rail" or their spots in the front do not take well to jerks who want to force their way up to the front whenver they feel like it. There would be no point in trying to be close if you knew there was anarchy and anyone could push you out of your spot anytime. And this is not (I hope!) a band who would stand by and watch their smaller or more peaceful fans be shoved around by bullies. Hello, what are half of their songs about??
So you still have to think about what Ed must've actually seen from the stage to react that way. There is NO way all he saw was some chick with a 12 yr old trying to get the kid to his/her mom. How does that make sense? How does anyone push their way through a crowd to allegedly get a kid to their mom and not have people maybe grumble a bit but let them through? These are the same fans that parted like the Red Sea on their own, without anyone asking, to let a guy in a wheelchair up to the rail. There are always assholes, but if it was not clear who the aggressor was or what was going on, most likely Ed would have done what he always does: ask for the lights to be turned on and asked if everyone was ok.
But it's clear from the videos, he was PISSED as hell, and for him to call on "Big Pete" to escort a woman out of the GA, he was sure of what he saw and it was much worse than what he has to see almost every night.
No way people guarding the rail somehow "instigated" a reaction in Pushy Chick that made it look like she was the agressor but she, somehow, really wasn't. That makes no damn sense.
Still annoys me a bit though when I think about it. A bunch of people acting tough and mouthing off, even though they had no fucking clue what was going on.
I wasn´t at the show and I'm sure Ed had his reasons for doing this but
people f... up sometimes, then lesson learned in most cases. At least they let her stay to watch the rest of the show.
Punishment enough in getting called out by Ed in front of a 17000, or whatever, strong crowd......ouch :oops:
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Yeah, that's it :roll:
And how old are you? If you're in your 40s, you'd know that fans didn't subject their kids to the concerts of the 90s. It's a mentality that's been thrown right out the window that an event as adult as a concert - with pushing, shoving, drunken, drugged out behavior with pot flowing freely through the crowd, fights brewing, beer spilling, boozing, and other behaviors are for ADULTS. Keep the kids HOME if you can't accept the adult behavior, and I stand by that remark!!! Rock concerts are not for kids!! I'm so sick of people desperately trying to be their kid's "friends" rather than being a good parent.
Postby JWPearl » 24 Nov 2013 04:26
Ed would love that i think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... zB4o#t=249
doubt it................
:x
I think that is an understatement.
Anyone who calls someone a c*nt, wh*re and tells them to eat a d*ck for no reason (I bet they were not even near her) could easily behave the same way at a show...
agree 100% unless your kid is at an age where you feel comfortable getting separated from them, and they are old enough to understand/be around drunks, drugs etc.. than keep them at home. find a sitter. my first concert was Candlebox in 1995 (followed closely by Hartford 96!!) i was 15 years old, and my parents were concerned about THAT.
If you want your children to experience art, take them to the opera, theater show, disney on ice, a museum.
Any place where i can legitimately expect someone to vomit beer all over my kid, is no place for my kid.
I am in my 40s, but I have had a different experience than you obviously with kids at shows over the years. You make a big mistake assuming that just because your experience has been NOT to see kids at shows over the years, that the rest of the US is exactly the same as wherever you've been going. I went to shows with my mom when I was a kid. There are others in some of the "other music" threads who talk about going to shows with their parents, and some are old enough to have seen bands you've never even heard of. And before I had my own kids, I was at shows with parents and their kids for decades.
So no, it is not true that no one brought their kids to shows until the 90s. Seriously, that you even think that kinda blows my mind.
As for today, and "parents trying to be friends with their kids", I can only wonder if you actually have kids yourself, and I'm going to guess a big NO to that. Because if you did have kids, I'd hope you would understand the difference between bringing them places and yet still making sure they're ok, making sure they behave, and otherwise all having a good time, between that and irresponsibly bringing them into a mosh pit , or without ear protection, or if the kid is obviously miserable, or heaven forbid actually letting them go somewhere with someone like the chick Ed kicked out of the show. Taking your kids to a show does NOT = "trying to be their friend instead of their parent".
If you're so concerned about the well-being of children in the world, I can only hope you actually put time and energy into programs for kids who are actually PROVEN to have inadequate parents, as in families with open child abuse and neglect cases. Or do you step up in your personal life when people you know or neighbors seem to be mistreating their kids? Maybe you can make sure you act responsibily in your own life on this topic and stop wasting energy on assuming that just because you don't agree or aren't used to people doing something, it means they're BAD PARENTS.
No kid I've ever seen or brought to a show has ever been hurt, thrown up on, or seen something horribly inappropriate. But then again, maybe I have much better taste in bands than you do, since it sounds like drunk pushy people are a given at the shows you go to? And by the way, I've gone to plenty of PJ shows with kids. PJ fans are aswesome (chick this thread is about as an obvious exception. But then again, I wouldn't have been in GA with my kid anyway.).
At the end of the day though, the good news is, you are fully entitled to your opinion... and I'm fully entitled to keep bringing my kids to shows that I know they'd enjoy. And I will keep bringing them.
If you want to keep talking about this, we should probably start a different thread, since no kids were actually involved in the fan ejection situation and so this thread is not about kids at concrts.
BINGO!
Nailed it. The more shows I go to the less I like myself. These people are all like me? Am I like that?
That said, I have met some cool folks.
yup
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
I dont care if they never, ever look at/acknowledge me, nor do I care if I get a tambourine, drumstick, etc. That isnt it, jealousy that someone has a better 'bargaining chip' than me.
When you see a kid hoisted up in the pit, it is quite clear what the intention is of the father.
I dont care if there are kids at a show, but a GA pit is madness. The kid cant see anything except a bunch of asses in his/her face, its close quarters, likely to see drug use, and get separated. Of course you can hoist the kid up, but that is a dick move for the people behind you... which usually is me.
Im a father, and I am all about experiences with the kid, but no way until he is old enough, and even then it will certainly not be in the pit, fishing for Eddie and Mike's attention and schwag. I have seen kids in the seated areas and lawns which is fine IMO. They have had a good time and were able to get into the aisle so they can see. Also these kids are typically early teens at the youngest. Anyone younger seems to be a miserable time.
So what do you think the breakdown is of "self-absorbed assholes" to "super cool people" on this board?
Because if this board is representative of the larger fanbase, it sure seems more like 85-90% cool people, 10-15% total jerks. Seriously, there are some nice or at least harmless-seeming people on here.
At the end of the day, no matter who the fanbase really is, no one should expect to be able to show up at a show and be that rude to others and get away with it. No one's world should crumble at the discovery that there are people like this woman, but no one should go to a show and assume that her obnoxious behavior is a given either. It really isn't.
there are plenty of good people on this board and i have met many and again... great people. but keep in mind those that actually post on this board is a very small % of those in 10C and a miniscule % of the overall fan base.
i have the Flipboard app on my iPad and have pearl jam saved as one of my favorite searches. it's funny to scroll through the endless tweets of people taking selfies prior to the show in their bathroom #grunge #throwback90s #pearljam #nirvana #flannel
looking at you LA crowd
guilty
Yeah, that was totally out of control. I hope the people that posted that crap are gone for good.
If what the offender did was so bad, why was she allowed to stay? A little pushing and people trying to improve their position is fully expected in ga. I wonder what part the ridiculous list had in this debacle.
Anyway, I'm about 10 rows from the stage when this dude walks in front of me with this gigantic python or boa constrictor wrapped around his neck and arms. This snake was friggin' huge and scary. I backed away and let him pass as did every single person in front of me. Dude and snake were on the rail for GNR without an elbow, punch or even a dirty look. Now that's the way to do it.
True story.
It's the 10-15% that get the attention and make it seem like it's 85% of the fans. Maybe it's the safety of being behind a computer screen and being a self absorbed asshole. But all the people I have met have been nothing but nice.