I talked my dad into taking me to a Pantera/Prong concert in '94 when I was 14 at Alpine Valley. We were 4th row center - no pit but that did not stop the concert goers that evening.
In his defense, he did not know who Pantera was and my parents are divorced so he might have been trying to do me a solid. These were the days before the "internets". At any rate, we didn't piss anybody off though. Everyone thought it was cool that I was there and they tried to give me smoke and drink, much to my dad's chagrin. I stood on the seat the entire show and he was like my bouncer. The look on his face when I fist-pumped every word to "f#&@ing hostile" was very shaming. He was pissed after the show. When I asked him years later why the hell didn't he just make me leave, he said that he was afraid for our safety and it seemed best if we stayed put. I don't think he was kidding. However, I was banned from concerts and from Pantera for that matter after my dad's parenting faux paus. But now we have this ridiculous story that he tells roughly 2-3 times per year.
14 seems like a pretty normal age to be in the pit at a concert. 5 does not.
Agreed. Just saying even at 14 we had our rough patches. Well, that and it was Pantera.
I totally support not bringing a kid to a Pantera show, that's a good example of choosing wisely. My husband loves he Wu Tang Clan, but he's not allowed to play it around the kids and cannot take them to any shows (should they tour again) until they're like 17. PJ, Living Color, Soul Coughing on the other hand have been great shows to bring the kids to. And no, we were never in the pit.
I haven't read all the posts, but I have read the last several. I was right in the center - and have my own view. First, there was an adorable 11 year old that was just to my left, 1st row behind the group on the rail with her family. She got a harmonica, was held by her Dad a lot and my favorite was when she was singing Sirens along with the rest of crowd. Later in the show Ed had her and her Dad come over the rail to the side of the stage were presumably they met the band afterwards. Makes me want to bring my 11 to the next show :idea:
There was NO drama with her at all.
The drama at the beginning of the show was from two ladies, one of which may have been younger, I'm not sure. From my point of view (again middle, 3 people deep in front of Ed), they were just to my right... and at first, it seemed as if the one lady was at risk to feint... which of course gets everyone's attention, the Red Sea parts, and a path is cleared to the front. However, once she gets to the front with her 2nd lady friend, all is well and now they don't want to move. Not smart.
Ed picks up on the commotion and now pissed off PIT and tells them at first to go which they ignore and just stand there. Seriously? If Ed is pointing directly at me and tells me to jump, I'm sure as hell going to reach the Yellow Moon. They just stood there until Ed and Security had them properly escorted out the way they came.
The intensity on Ed's face when he was playing the guitar leading up to their eviction was amazing. Every chord was a "F.U"... and the stare down made it clear: don't be an asshole. A pretty good rule to follow for everyone who wants to be in the Pit. There's a good thread on "Given to Fly" on this topic right now... as someone asked "Is it that big of a deal to want to get to the front." The answer in short is yes -- it's a big deal. Put in the time and effort to earn it, or get the hell to the back and enjoy your space and comfort without pushing your selfish idiocy on others.
My $.02.
PS - I am worried about the guy just to my right that seemed to be there with a few friends. Early in the show (after the above incident) he clearly wasn't doing well, started to tell his friend he was going to go out the back, turned smartly back toward the front, eyes rolled back into his head, and passed out. We got him over the rail, but wasn't seen again. I worried he may have been the worst of anyone that night. Didn't seem to drunk or anything, so made me worried. In my thoughts man whomever you are. Your friends didn't leave with you, so maybe they knew this was a normal thing, I dunno.
I was right in the middle and one person over from where this happened and this is close-ish, but not accurate from what I saw/experienced/heard.
It wasn't two women. It was a short, long-haired man (who was pretty buff) who was close to 40 and a girl who was in her 20s or early 30s. The girl was out of control. They pushed their way up and once they got about 3 people back from the rail, the group next to me wouldn't let her and the dude go passed them. So, the girl starts pushing the backs of people and starts throwing elbows. The guy also pushes and throws elbows. I watched the girl throw an elbow and then start laughing when people got upset as if everyone around her was crazy.
There weren't any punches thrown, but a guy did throw an elbow back at her and the long-haired dude she was with when he got pushed so hard that he fell into the person in front of him.
They didn't say anything about anybody being in distress once they got to our area. Maybe that part of the story is true from further back, but up 3 people deep, they simply wanted to get 7 feet or so closer and right to the rail and got pissed when they were blocked and nobody moved out of their way.
From the cheap seats, Ev enraged is always good times..... Anyone in the middle, six deep, always remember. eddie is always watching......always watching........I'd fuck up a lyric and think he would beat me.....(even though he misses) :shock:
People in the Pit..........under 12. Go home.....it's total bullshit. I love my daughter, but she's not going on my shoulders.......
Just another reason Eddie is the best! I have been to way too many concerts and had to deal with douche-bags in the GA. They can ruin an entire concert. So major points for Eddie.
I was right in the middle and one person over from where this happened and this is close-ish, but not accurate from what I saw/experienced/heard.
It wasn't two women. It was a short, long-haired man (who was pretty buff) who was close to 40 and a girl who was in her 20s or early 30s. The girl was out of control. They pushed their way up and once they got about 3 people back from the rail, the group next to me wouldn't let her and the dude go passed them. So, the girl starts pushing the backs of people and starts throwing elbows. The guy also pushes and throws elbows. I watched the girl throw an elbow and then start laughing when people got upset as if everyone around her was crazy.
There weren't any punches thrown, but a guy did throw an elbow back at her and the long-haired dude she was with when he got pushed so hard that he fell into the person in front of him.
They didn't say anything about anybody being in distress once they got to our area. Maybe that part of the story is true from further back, but up 3 people deep, they simply wanted to get 7 feet or so closer and right to the rail and got pissed when they were blocked and nobody moved out of their way.
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Thanx for clearing that up.
The gal I talked to said it was an ugly older woman... which, could be a man, I suppose.
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I'm just glad I was over on Stone's side... except when Eddie kept telling that girl to go over where we were. We didn't some crazy girl and her manish older girlfriend or whatever anywhere near us.
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I haven't read all the posts, but I have read the last several. I was right in the center - and have my own view. First, there was an adorable 11 year old that was just to my left, 1st row behind the group on the rail with her family. She got a harmonica, was held by her Dad a lot and my favorite was when she was singing Sirens along with the rest of crowd. Later in the show Ed had her and her Dad come over the rail to the side of the stage were presumably they met the band afterwards. Makes me want to bring my 11 to the next show :idea:
ANOTHER reason kids should not be at shows (especially GA) - to be exploited in order to gain access to the musicians. If Eddie ever reads this, I hope he stops doing it and understands how people like this do it for purely selfish reasons! :x
I haven't read all the posts, but I have read the last several. I was right in the center - and have my own view. First, there was an adorable 11 year old that was just to my left, 1st row behind the group on the rail with her family. She got a harmonica, was held by her Dad a lot and my favorite was when she was singing Sirens along with the rest of crowd. Later in the show Ed had her and her Dad come over the rail to the side of the stage were presumably they met the band afterwards. Makes me want to bring my 11 to the next show :idea:
ANOTHER reason kids should not be at shows (especially GA) - to be exploited in order to gain access to the musicians. If Eddie ever reads this, I hope he understands how people like this does this for purely selfish reasons! :x
It's an 11 year old. That kid is probably a fan, was singing along, and possibly got to meet one of her favorite bands. If we were talking about a 3 year old, I would agree with you. But an 11 year old has her own experiences and will keep that memory. She got the benefit of being in the pit, not just her parent. At that age, your theory no longer applies IMO. What's your thinking in this case? Does it piss you off that an 11 year old child was given special treatment by Eddie? .... Because that's what most human beings do. Give special treatment to children because they're children and people, including EV, have a soft spot for them. Who cares if her dad got to go along? That's not the point. But again, if it were a little kid, I would probably agree with you. I do think there are some parents who bring their young ones to the shows in the hopes of getting attention. But I think that once the kid is around 9 or 10 it's more a matter of the kid wanting to be there and enjoying the show, and is lucky to have a parent who will bring them.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I haven't read all the posts, but I have read the last several. I was right in the center - and have my own view. First, there was an adorable 11 year old that was just to my left, 1st row behind the group on the rail with her family. She got a harmonica, was held by her Dad a lot and my favorite was when she was singing Sirens along with the rest of crowd. Later in the show Ed had her and her Dad come over the rail to the side of the stage were presumably they met the band afterwards. Makes me want to bring my 11 to the next show :idea:
There was NO drama with her at all.
The drama at the beginning of the show was from two ladies, one of which may have been younger, I'm not sure. From my point of view (again middle, 3 people deep in front of Ed), they were just to my right... and at first, it seemed as if the one lady was at risk to feint... which of course gets everyone's attention, the Red Sea parts, and a path is cleared to the front. However, once she gets to the front with her 2nd lady friend, all is well and now they don't want to move. Not smart.
Ed picks up on the commotion and now pissed off PIT and tells them at first to go which they ignore and just stand there. Seriously? If Ed is pointing directly at me and tells me to jump, I'm sure as hell going to reach the Yellow Moon. They just stood there until Ed and Security had them properly escorted out the way they came.
The intensity on Ed's face when he was playing the guitar leading up to their eviction was amazing. Every chord was a "F.U"... and the stare down made it clear: don't be an asshole. A pretty good rule to follow for everyone who wants to be in the Pit. There's a good thread on "Given to Fly" on this topic right now... as someone asked "Is it that big of a deal to want to get to the front." The answer in short is yes -- it's a big deal. Put in the time and effort to earn it, or get the hell to the back and enjoy your space and comfort without pushing your selfish idiocy on others.
My $.02.
PS - I am worried about the guy just to my right that seemed to be there with a few friends. Early in the show (after the above incident) he clearly wasn't doing well, started to tell his friend he was going to go out the back, turned smartly back toward the front, eyes rolled back into his head, and passed out. We got him over the rail, but wasn't seen again. I worried he may have been the worst of anyone that night. Didn't seem to drunk or anything, so made me worried. In my thoughts man whomever you are. Your friends didn't leave with you, so maybe they knew this was a normal thing, I dunno.
I was right in the middle and one person over from where this happened and this is close-ish, but not accurate from what I saw/experienced/heard.
It wasn't two women. It was a short, long-haired man (who was pretty buff) who was close to 40 and a girl who was in her 20s or early 30s. The girl was out of control. They pushed their way up and once they got about 3 people back from the rail, the group next to me wouldn't let her and the dude go passed them. So, the girl starts pushing the backs of people and starts throwing elbows. The guy also pushes and throws elbows. I watched the girl throw an elbow and then start laughing when people got upset as if everyone around her was crazy.
There weren't any punches thrown, but a guy did throw an elbow back at her and the long-haired dude she was with when he got pushed so hard that he fell into the person in front of him.
They didn't say anything about anybody being in distress once they got to our area. Maybe that part of the story is true from further back, but up 3 people deep, they simply wanted to get 7 feet or so closer and right to the rail and got pissed when they were blocked and nobody moved out of their way.
The only thing that I can confirm is that you are correct that it was a short, long haired man and a girl. My wife and I were about halfway back on the floor and security escorted them out right in front of us.
I haven't read all the posts, but I have read the last several. I was right in the center - and have my own view. First, there was an adorable 11 year old that was just to my left, 1st row behind the group on the rail with her family. She got a harmonica, was held by her Dad a lot and my favorite was when she was singing Sirens along with the rest of crowd. Later in the show Ed had her and her Dad come over the rail to the side of the stage were presumably they met the band afterwards. Makes me want to bring my 11 to the next show :idea:
ANOTHER reason kids should not be at shows (especially GA) - to be exploited in order to gain access to the musicians. If Eddie ever reads this, I hope he understands how people like this does this for purely selfish reasons! :x
It's an 11 year old. That kid is probably a fan, was singing along, and possibly got to meet one of her favorite bands. If we were talking about a 3 year old, I would agree with you. But an 11 year old has her own experiences and will keep that memory. She got the benefit of being in the pit, not just her parent. At that age, your theory no longer applies IMO. What's your thinking in this case? Does it piss you off that an 11 year old child was given special treatment by Eddie? .... Because that's what most human beings do. Give special treatment to children because they're children and people, including EV, have a soft spot for them. Who cares if her dad got to go along? That's not the point. But again, if it were a little kid, I would probably agree with you. I do think there are some parents who bring their young ones to the shows in the hopes of getting attention. But I think that once the kid is around 9 or 10 it's more a matter of the kid wanting to be there and enjoying the show, and is lucky to have a parent who will bring them.
Are you blind or just a selective reader?
Later in the show Ed had her and her Dad come over the rail to the side of the stage were presumably they met the band afterwards. Makes me want to bring my 11 to the next show :idea:
What a polite way to make your point. :roll: Didn't catch that part.... But at the same time, I don't care, because an 11 year old gets something out of the experience no matter how stupid their parent is. 11 year olds don't cooperatively do shit that they have no interest in doing.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I haven't read all the posts, but I have read the last several. I was right in the center - and have my own view. First, there was an adorable 11 year old that was just to my left, 1st row behind the group on the rail with her family. She got a harmonica, was held by her Dad a lot and my favorite was when she was singing Sirens along with the rest of crowd. Later in the show Ed had her and her Dad come over the rail to the side of the stage were presumably they met the band afterwards. Makes me want to bring my 11 to the next show :idea:
ANOTHER reason kids should not be at shows (especially GA) - to be exploited in order to gain access to the musicians. If Eddie ever reads this, I hope he stops doing it and understands how people like this do it for purely selfish reasons! :x
Do you think Eddie's a moron? He obviously wanted to meet the young person and good on him. Why be so bitter for the treatment of- from all accounts- a neat little 11 year old? Why not feel happy for the young person? Do you assume the worst of everyone? Are you that envious of a child getting 'special' treatment?
Later you address the point some guy made about 'wanting to bring their 11 year old to a show' (given the kindness displayed by Eddie towards children at the show). Isn't that better than some parent who couldn't be bothered to try and show their kid a fantastic time... or some parent who bails on their responsibility?
I haven't read all the posts, but I have read the last several. I was right in the center - and have my own view. First, there was an adorable 11 year old that was just to my left, 1st row behind the group on the rail with her family. She got a harmonica, was held by her Dad a lot and my favorite was when she was singing Sirens along with the rest of crowd. Later in the show Ed had her and her Dad come over the rail to the side of the stage were presumably they met the band afterwards. Makes me want to bring my 11 to the next show :idea:
ANOTHER reason kids should not be at shows (especially GA) - to be exploited in order to gain access to the musicians. If Eddie ever reads this, I hope he stops doing it and understands how people like this do it for purely selfish reasons! :x
Do you think Eddie's a moron? He obviously wanted to meet the young person and good on him. Why be so bitter for the treatment of- from all accounts- a neat little 11 year old? Why not feel happy for the young person? Do you assume the worst of everyone? Are you that envious of a child getting 'special' treatment?
Later you address the point some guy made about 'wanting to bring their 11 year old to a show' (given the kindness displayed by Eddie towards children at the show). Isn't that better than some parent who couldn't be bothered to try and show their kid a fantastic time... or some parent who bails on their responsibility?
Don't hold your breath for backseatLover12 to actually tell you why he's so vehemently bitter about this issue, but whatever his issue, he's made it clear he thinks having a kid at a show at all is bad parenting. He can't explain WHY PJ shows or other rock shows like it are so horribly inappropriate for kids, but he's adamant that kids don't belong. Definitely a sore spot for him.
How about you parents stop whoring your kids out to get a tambourine or a guitar pick. Jesus!!!
You want to take you kid to a show fine. Sit in reserved putting your kid on your shoulder is a cock move it shows you don't give a fuck about the people behind you. Keep your kids in reserved or at home. But oh I forgot you need that guitar pick or tambourine so you can feel superior to everyone.
How about you parents stop whoring your kids out to get a tambourine or a guitar pick. Jesus!!!
You want to take you kid to a show fine. Sit in reserved putting your kid on your shoulder is a cock move it shows you don't give a fuck about the people behind you. Keep your kids in reserved or at home. But oh I forgot you need that guitar pick or tambourine so you can feel superior to everyone.
Don't forget to include guys who place their really sexy girlfriends on their shoulders as well- this occurrence happens with much greater frequency than the kid on the shoulders and clearly this is a demonstration of superiority!
Don't forget the signs and the flags that people hold up as well- they are likely the most frequent visual disturbances that occur to attract attention.
Don't forget people's cell phones that are held up for the entire length of songs so that the recorder can place on youtube and draw attention to themselves.
And remember... only those who have never performed 'cock moves' should be telling people not to perform 'cock moves'. I am assuming you have never been a dick at any point in your life. You should feel very proud of the fact that you have managed to never irritate anyone while tending to your personal needs or desires as you have made your life alongside everyone else's!
ANOTHER reason kids should not be at shows (especially GA) - to be exploited in order to gain access to the musicians. If Eddie ever reads this, I hope he stops doing it and understands how people like this do it for purely selfish reasons! :x
Do you think Eddie's a moron? He obviously wanted to meet the young person and good on him. Why be so bitter for the treatment of- from all accounts- a neat little 11 year old? Why not feel happy for the young person? Do you assume the worst of everyone? Are you that envious of a child getting 'special' treatment?
Later you address the point some guy made about 'wanting to bring their 11 year old to a show' (given the kindness displayed by Eddie towards children at the show). Isn't that better than some parent who couldn't be bothered to try and show their kid a fantastic time... or some parent who bails on their responsibility?
Don't hold your breath for backseatLover12 to actually tell you why he's so vehemently bitter about this issue, but whatever his issue, he's made it clear he thinks having a kid at a show at all is bad parenting. He can't explain WHY PJ shows or other rock shows like it are so horribly inappropriate for kids, but he's adamant that kids don't belong. Definitely a sore spot for him.
Bitter? I have said before how some events are adult events and are SACRED. For me, when I get lost in the music at a PJ show, I am NOT there for my kid. And you are, uh-huh. Show me one die-hard fan who loses themselves in the name of the live show, yet brings their kids for a good time, and ignores them because they "enjoy the show", and I'll show you someone who cares more about themselves. Show them a good time, another poster said? Yeah, for my daughter that would be a trip to Six Flags. At 10, she has mentioned NEVER want to go to a show. Sound check at Farm Aid was too loud for her. Kids with earphones on? Do they really want to be there? And now I hear about an infant at GA last night. Boy, we've entered a whole new territory now.
How about you parents stop whoring your kids out to get a tambourine or a guitar pick. Jesus!!!
You want to take you kid to a show fine. Sit in reserved putting your kid on your shoulder is a cock move it shows you don't give a fuck about the people behind you. Keep your kids in reserved or at home. But oh I forgot you need that guitar pick or tambourine so you can feel superior to everyone.
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I totally support not bringing a kid to a Pantera show, that's a good example of choosing wisely. My husband loves he Wu Tang Clan, but he's not allowed to play it around the kids and cannot take them to any shows (should they tour again) until they're like 17. PJ, Living Color, Soul Coughing on the other hand have been great shows to bring the kids to. And no, we were never in the pit.
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technically, it derailed about 10 pages back :corn:
not at all, lolz!
I was right in the middle and one person over from where this happened and this is close-ish, but not accurate from what I saw/experienced/heard.
It wasn't two women. It was a short, long-haired man (who was pretty buff) who was close to 40 and a girl who was in her 20s or early 30s. The girl was out of control. They pushed their way up and once they got about 3 people back from the rail, the group next to me wouldn't let her and the dude go passed them. So, the girl starts pushing the backs of people and starts throwing elbows. The guy also pushes and throws elbows. I watched the girl throw an elbow and then start laughing when people got upset as if everyone around her was crazy.
There weren't any punches thrown, but a guy did throw an elbow back at her and the long-haired dude she was with when he got pushed so hard that he fell into the person in front of him.
They didn't say anything about anybody being in distress once they got to our area. Maybe that part of the story is true from further back, but up 3 people deep, they simply wanted to get 7 feet or so closer and right to the rail and got pissed when they were blocked and nobody moved out of their way.
either way...I'd rather get hit with a fist than an elbow anyday....fuck 'em
To each his/her own.....
From the cheap seats, Ev enraged is always good times..... Anyone in the middle, six deep, always remember. eddie is always watching......always watching........I'd fuck up a lyric and think he would beat me.....(even though he misses) :shock:
People in the Pit..........under 12. Go home.....it's total bullshit. I love my daughter, but she's not going on my shoulders.......
Thanx for clearing that up.
The gal I talked to said it was an ugly older woman... which, could be a man, I suppose.
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I'm just glad I was over on Stone's side... except when Eddie kept telling that girl to go over where we were. We didn't some crazy girl and her manish older girlfriend or whatever anywhere near us.
Hail, Hail!!!
ANOTHER reason kids should not be at shows (especially GA) - to be exploited in order to gain access to the musicians. If Eddie ever reads this, I hope he stops doing it and understands how people like this do it for purely selfish reasons! :x
The only thing that I can confirm is that you are correct that it was a short, long haired man and a girl. My wife and I were about halfway back on the floor and security escorted them out right in front of us.
Are you blind or just a selective reader?
Don't care the age of the child.
Do you think Eddie's a moron? He obviously wanted to meet the young person and good on him. Why be so bitter for the treatment of- from all accounts- a neat little 11 year old? Why not feel happy for the young person? Do you assume the worst of everyone? Are you that envious of a child getting 'special' treatment?
Later you address the point some guy made about 'wanting to bring their 11 year old to a show' (given the kindness displayed by Eddie towards children at the show). Isn't that better than some parent who couldn't be bothered to try and show their kid a fantastic time... or some parent who bails on their responsibility?
Agreed.
Cool, then you're in agreement with every single person in this thread as not a single one has given any indication that they think that's ok.
Don't hold your breath for backseatLover12 to actually tell you why he's so vehemently bitter about this issue, but whatever his issue, he's made it clear he thinks having a kid at a show at all is bad parenting. He can't explain WHY PJ shows or other rock shows like it are so horribly inappropriate for kids, but he's adamant that kids don't belong. Definitely a sore spot for him.
You want to take you kid to a show fine. Sit in reserved putting your kid on your shoulder is a cock move it shows you don't give a fuck about the people behind you. Keep your kids in reserved or at home. But oh I forgot you need that guitar pick or tambourine so you can feel superior to everyone.
Don't forget to include guys who place their really sexy girlfriends on their shoulders as well- this occurrence happens with much greater frequency than the kid on the shoulders and clearly this is a demonstration of superiority!
Don't forget the signs and the flags that people hold up as well- they are likely the most frequent visual disturbances that occur to attract attention.
Don't forget people's cell phones that are held up for the entire length of songs so that the recorder can place on youtube and draw attention to themselves.
And remember... only those who have never performed 'cock moves' should be telling people not to perform 'cock moves'. I am assuming you have never been a dick at any point in your life. You should feel very proud of the fact that you have managed to never irritate anyone while tending to your personal needs or desires as you have made your life alongside everyone else's!
Is it bad that I named my child "Tambourine Getter"
Bitter? I have said before how some events are adult events and are SACRED. For me, when I get lost in the music at a PJ show, I am NOT there for my kid. And you are, uh-huh. Show me one die-hard fan who loses themselves in the name of the live show, yet brings their kids for a good time, and ignores them because they "enjoy the show", and I'll show you someone who cares more about themselves. Show them a good time, another poster said? Yeah, for my daughter that would be a trip to Six Flags. At 10, she has mentioned NEVER want to go to a show. Sound check at Farm Aid was too loud for her. Kids with earphones on? Do they really want to be there? And now I hear about an infant at GA last night. Boy, we've entered a whole new territory now.
A HUGE ISSUE.