All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
I think Shaq is overrated. Call me a homer. But I'll put Ewing over him.
Patrick Ewing was the absolute best at one thing - traveling EVERY time he got the ball and NEVER getting called for it. Now everyone takes 3 steps and switches their pivot foot and don't get called for it. Ewing changed the rules of the game; albeit for worse. I guess you could say he was a pioneer of sorts.
Jordan as well. He got away with a lot.
Lol. Ewing shouldn't have even been on the dream team. He was so bad.
What do you mean so bad? If Ewing got to play with Kobe and Wade during their primes. His numbers might be even better. Especially assists
Ewing was good but nowhere near the same league as Shaq or Olajuwon. Or even David Robinson for that matter.
Man Ewing carried that team forever. His second best player on his team was John Starks. Need I say more?
Mark Jackson, Anthony Mason, Allan Houston, Larry Johnson.
He should've been suspended in the Houston series. To wait until Game 5 of the Finals to suspend him without warrant, and then hide behind the skirt of "pattern of behavior" is a money grab. Why wasn't James suspended for stepping over him? At the very least, why wasn't James given a technical?
Maybe I can see a technical for James stepping over him. But come on, if someone steps over you like a dick, get up and push him (or punch him) like a man. Don't fucking slap him in the dick. Draymond totally deserved his suspension. Shots to the privates, spitting, biting, or eye-gouging is a lowest form of "dirty play" in sports.
I don't disagree with ya. My thing is he was doing this all throughout the playoffs. Why wait until the Cavs are down 3-1 with Game 5 at Oracle to suspend him?
It was a culmination of his four flagrant fouls. You get one point for a flagrant 1 and two points for a flagrant 2. Four points mean a one-game suspension. So it wasn't a situation of the NBA saying "Let's get him NOW because the series is 3-1." Here's an explanation from NBA.com:
"Under league rules, any player who accumulates four flagrant foul points over the course of the playoffs will be automatically suspended for one game, and every additional flagrant foul will result in either a one-game suspension (for a Flagrant Foul 1) or a two-game suspension (for a Flagrant Foul 2).
"The cumulative points system is designed to deter flagrant fouls in our game" said Kiki VanDeWeghe, Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations. "While Draymond Green's actions in Game 4 do not merit a suspension as a standalone act, the number of flagrant points he has earned triggers a suspension for Game 5.""
Lebron was actually assessed a technical after the game. Seems meaningless but it's actually the fourth time in the past two playoffs that that's happened. I guess because technical can add up to a suspension as well.
And it's still a judgment call over what a flagrant foul is. Again, why wait until AFTER the game to assess the flagrant (a very poor judgment in my opinion) and suspend him?
Since we're speaking of track records and culminations, the NBA seems to annually be under fire for fixing games. It has already been proven before that league officials have made intentional calls to affect the outcome of games. If not for this, I wouldn't be so skeptical.
Look, I'm not saying Lebron & the Cavs wouldn't have done it anyway. And Golden State had plenty of opportunities to put game 7 away and they didn't. But the game 5 decision reeks of foul play.
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.
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All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.
To the Knicks' credit, they definitely maximized their talent and overachieved. The starters on the '93 team were Ewing, Starks, Mason, Oakley, and Charles Smith. For that team to finish with 60 wins is pretty impressive. Very underrated coaching job by Pat Riley. Maybe even more impressive than what he did with the Lakers and Heat just because he lacked talent.
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.
I don't know how anyone can say Ewing was overrated. Were there players better. Sure. But not overrated. And Starks I believe went 0-fer that game. If he had at least 1 title. I don't think overrated would have been used. He finally got a good coach in Riley then Van Gundy. But he never really had that 1a player. As they say his Robin. Or his Batman to his Robin.
I hated Ewing as much as anybody but no way was he overrated. There's never been a more accurately rated player. He's consistently put on the list behind Shaq , Robinson and Olajuwon for his era. That's right where he belongs. Take Jordan from the Bulls and he definitely has a ring or two. Also, I know he was primarily a post player, but he had to be a big influence on guys like KG and Duncan moving a bit more out of the lane.
Same probably goes for Robinson, who I think is overlooked often. The post RobinsonSpurs are great and get deserved kudos, but some of those 90s teams with him as the centerpiece/leader were as good as it gets. I remember them giving the Bulls all kinds of trouble in their matchups.
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All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.
To the Knicks' credit, they definitely maximized their talent and overachieved. The starters on the '93 team were Ewing, Starks, Mason, Oakley, and Charles Smith. For that team to finish with 60 wins is pretty impressive. Very underrated coaching job by Pat Riley. Maybe even more impressive than what he did with the Lakers and Heat just because he lacked talent.
Mason came off the Bench. Greg Anthony and Doc Rivers started a lot in their back court.
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.
To the Knicks' credit, they definitely maximized their talent and overachieved. The starters on the '93 team were Ewing, Starks, Mason, Oakley, and Charles Smith. For that team to finish with 60 wins is pretty impressive. Very underrated coaching job by Pat Riley. Maybe even more impressive than what he did with the Lakers and Heat just because he lacked talent.
Mason came off the Bench. Greg Anthony and Doc Rivers started a lot in their back court.
Oh yeah that's right. He didn't start. Still though, a quick glance at Basketball-Reference shows that Mason was second to Ewing in minutes played during that '93 season. So it felt like he was a starter.
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Congrats to Papagiannis for the draft..the highest pick in Greek history..
My friend, who scouts high school basketball, saw him when he was at a school(Westown, PA. i think) and said he'll be a high draft pick for the NBA. I don't remember if he thought he would be good or bad, in the NBA. I do remember him saying he had some skill and that he was TALL(and that's why he would get drafted by a NBA team).
Congrats to Papagiannis for the draft..the highest pick in Greek history..
My friend, who scouts high school basketball, saw him when he was at a school(Westown, PA. i think) and said he'll be a high draft pick for the NBA. I don't remember if he thought he would be good or bad, in the NBA. I do remember him saying he had some skill and that he was TALL(and that's why he would get drafted by a NBA team).
I read yesterday that it was better for him the next year draft, cause there are no centers.. he was playing for my team (Panathinaikos)..now we are looking for center..lol..
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Congrats to Papagiannis for the draft..the highest pick in Greek history..
My friend, who scouts high school basketball, saw him when he was at a school(Westown, PA. i think) and said he'll be a high draft pick for the NBA. I don't remember if he thought he would be good or bad, in the NBA. I do remember him saying he had some skill and that he was TALL(and that's why he would get drafted by a NBA team).
I read yesterday that it was better for him the next year draft, cause there are no centers.. he was playing for my team (Panathinaikos)..now we are looking for center..lol..
Center is a little bit of lost position these days with the Golden State fad... but after the lack of rim protection post-Bogut, maybe the game will shift back a bit. But I agree... weak draft overall.
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Congrats to Papagiannis for the draft..the highest pick in Greek history..
Epic draft pick
Does he have a nickname?
Peace
Do you?
I have many......here's one.....RUSHNUT
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Congrats to Papagiannis for the draft..the highest pick in Greek history..
My friend, who scouts high school basketball, saw him when he was at a school(Westown, PA. i think) and said he'll be a high draft pick for the NBA. I don't remember if he thought he would be good or bad, in the NBA. I do remember him saying he had some skill and that he was TALL(and that's why he would get drafted by a NBA team).
I read yesterday that it was better for him the next year draft, cause there are no centers.. he was playing for my team (Panathinaikos)..now we are looking for center..lol..
He may not play in the NBA next year for the Kings as they already have 4 Centers. Kings may want him to stay in Greece and develop his game. Unless, they trade him?
Congrats to Papagiannis for the draft..the highest pick in Greek history..
My friend, who scouts high school basketball, saw him when he was at a school(Westown, PA. i think) and said he'll be a high draft pick for the NBA. I don't remember if he thought he would be good or bad, in the NBA. I do remember him saying he had some skill and that he was TALL(and that's why he would get drafted by a NBA team).
I read yesterday that it was better for him the next year draft, cause there are no centers.. he was playing for my team (Panathinaikos)..now we are looking for center..lol..
He may not play in the NBA next year for the Kings as they already have 4 Centers. Kings may want him to stay in Greece and develop his game. Unless, they trade him?
Let's hope he stays in my team for one more year..
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Some of these contracts being given out are absurd. Mike Conley gets 5 years, $153M?!? Mozgov got 65M for 4 years and Evan Turner got 72M for 4 years. Mediocrity pays big in the NBA!
Some of these contracts being given out are absurd. Mike Conley gets 5 years, $153M?!? Mozgov got 65M for 4 years and Evan Turner got 72M for 4 years. Mediocrity pays big in the NBA!
That it does. That said, I will always say I'd rather have the money go to the players over the owners
Some of these contracts being given out are absurd. Mike Conley gets 5 years, $153M?!? Mozgov got 65M for 4 years and Evan Turner got 72M for 4 years. Mediocrity pays big in the NBA!
Some of them there are not All-stars or champions..the next summer would be worst..
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Some of these contracts being given out are absurd. Mike Conley gets 5 years, $153M?!? Mozgov got 65M for 4 years and Evan Turner got 72M for 4 years. Mediocrity pays big in the NBA!
That it does. That said, I will always say I'd rather have the money go to the players over the owners
how about.....both those groups get less and the average joe can actually afford to sit downstairs? crazy thought, I know.
I would imagine, tho, that you could find some cheap sixer tickets on stubhub. yes?
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Same probably goes for Robinson, who I think is overlooked often. The post RobinsonSpurs are great and get deserved kudos, but some of those 90s teams with him as the centerpiece/leader were as good as it gets. I remember them giving the Bulls all kinds of trouble in their matchups.
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Next year's draft is suppose to be really good. I know ther are a lot of Freshmen to be this year, that will be in next year's draft.
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he was playing for my team (Panathinaikos)..now we are looking for center..lol..
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The 2000 draft comes to mind. Prove me wrong. Please...
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I would imagine, tho, that you could find some cheap sixer tickets on stubhub. yes?
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14