3 year-old's First Show Tonight

JM44800

PJ_Soul wrote:

I really don't think that whether or not the 3 year old likes the music is the point. If the conversation were about what records parents should play for their children, then this would be relevant.

The point was someone previously said to take then to the Fresh Jive concert or whatever kids thing they named and I would never take my kids to that because they have never heard of them nor would they likely enjoy it. They would enjoy going to something they have listened to every day and can sing a long to.

And I am one of the ones that would not take their kid to a show, but certainly undertsand and respect those that would. If you know your kid, it should not matter what others on here think, especially since most of them are obnoxious in their responses and rude.

High Fidelity 2000

Hey, compared to the guy taking the 1 year old daughter to Wrigley cause she likes the music and the colors of the lights, this guy seems pretty normal. Still, 3 year olds don't belong at ANY concerts, unless it's the Fresh Beat Band or a Sesame Street touring show. People act like if they have the hearing protection ear muffs, then they've done their responsible duty and that's the end of the story. So wrong.

I'm glad this kid enjoyed themselves, but they will remember nothing of that night 3 years from now, and it's all a little silly. I have a friend who took his 3 year old to see Rush a few years ago, but they sat on the lawn in the summer time, and the kid was asleep a few songs into the 2nd half, and they left during the encore. They had fun I guess, but I don't get the point. Inside arena concert that starts at 8:30 when the kid should be in bed, shouldn't even be a "should I...?" decision. Just wait and enjoy yourself without the toddler.

PJ_Soul

JM44800 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I really don't think that whether or not the 3 year old likes the music is the point. If the conversation were about what records parents should play for their children, then this would be relevant.

The point was someone previously said to take then to the Fresh Jive concert or whatever kids thing they named and I would never take my kids to that because they have never heard of them nor would they likely enjoy it. They would enjoy going to something they have listened to every day and can sing a long to.

And I am one of the ones that would not take their kid to a show, but certainly undertsand and respect those that would. If you know your kid, it should not matter what others on here think, especially since most of them are obnoxious in their responses and rude.

So I guess anything that parents let their kids do is perfectly fine. As long as the parent thinks it's cool, no probs. Stick your 4 year old on an ATV, smoke around them indoors, let people smoke weed around them, get drunk around them... whatever. As long as the kid's parent figures the kid is fine, then it's fine! :thumbup:

JH6056

Cosmo wrote:

When i was 3... I wasn't able to choose the music that played in my house because:
A. I was 3.
B. I didn't know how the radio or record player worked.
C. I was not allowed to go near the radio or record player or television.
D. I was too young to drive to the record store to browse through the various catalogs for music of my liking.
E. I was fricken' 3!
...
So, my only option was to listen to what my parent's were playing.
That is why I loved Perry Como, Andy Williams, Glen Campbell, Jimmy Dean and Sing Along With Mitch Miller.
But, i do remember my favorite record was a kid's record we had that had 'Davey Crockett' on it. It also had a song about some cat that got stuck in a tree and howled at the Moon... that was the greatest song ever invented... to me.
But, hey... I was 3... what the hell did i know?
...
P.S. Guess how many Perry Como, Andy Williams, Glen Campbell, Jimmy Dean and Sing Along With Mitch Miller songs are on my iPod today?
Give yourself a Gold Star if you said, 'Zero'.

So you're saying you didn't beg to go with them when they got tix for Perry Como with Mitch Miller as support??? :shock:

But that right there is the key: yes, we're all limited by what we're exposed to and our ability/inability to seek out new stuff ourselves. And there's always that dynamic, like with awful pop songs where you hate it when you first hear it, but then hearing it over and over (in supermarkets, elevators, coffee shops) after awhile when it comes on you start tapping your fingers and humming along: repetition and familiarity can start to feel like (or actually turn into) liking it.

BUT... Repetition alone canNOT make a 3 yr beg to hear it over and over. We play a LOT of different kinds of music in our house. They absolutely do not like everything we love, nor do we expect them to. The 5 yr old would listen to Bob Marley 24/7 if she could, no matter what else she hears and likes.

There's a difference between "it's good enough until I'm old enough to discover my own music" and "Please please please play "3 Little Birds" again!!"

In the meantime though Cosmo, please tell me your parents took you to see Glen Campbell live before you ditched their music? I would be so jealous! I mean that, Wichita Lineman is one of many classics!

JM44800

badbrains wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

badbrains wrote:

Oh so now not only does JH work at CPS, she also works as a grammar policewoman! So I spelled tampons tampoons, who the fuck cares. But hey, keep on trucking along to all those shows (1,200) last time you checked. God I hope I see you at one of the shows. Smoke a fat spliff right in front of you and your kid. Love to see what you'd say then. :thumbup:

Aaaah, so great when people just make you're point for you... Such a winning attitude you have there!

P.s so much for me being grammar police - I just said you're instead of your!

It's funny, 90% of people in this thread are against your views and you've attacked everyone of them. Instead of letting it go, you've choses to act like a 5th grader and attack us all. Yup, your 3 year old belongs at EVERY SHOW you attend since you guys act about the same age..... (green smiley face for ya to) :fp:
I'm done with you and your 3 year old, I'm gonna go over to AMT where the adults are...

badbrains if anything, you have been the one attacking and saying really stupid stuff. Smoke a spliff and blow it in someone's face, what is your problem dick? I have read this entire thread and anything JH6056 has said has been pretty articulate and rationale, while you just keep spouting nonense. Maybe you can't handle a rationale conversation on this topic since you feel so strongly about it based on your vulgarity and generalizations and fly off the handle when someone speaks oppositie of how you would do something. Doesn't make it wrong, just makes it different and if you have to resort to insults or curse at someone because of it, then you are the one with a much bigger problem. And I would love to run into you at Brooklyn or Philly. :fp:

JH6056

PJ_Soul wrote:

JM44800 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I really don't think that whether or not the 3 year old likes the music is the point. If the conversation were about what records parents should play for their children, then this would be relevant.

The point was someone previously said to take then to the Fresh Jive concert or whatever kids thing they named and I would never take my kids to that because they have never heard of them nor would they likely enjoy it. They would enjoy going to something they have listened to every day and can sing a long to.

And I am one of the ones that would not take their kid to a show, but certainly undertsand and respect those that would. If you know your kid, it should not matter what others on here think, especially since most of them are obnoxious in their responses and rude.

So I guess anything that parents let their kids do is perfectly fine. As long as the parent thinks it's cool, no probs. Stick your 4 year old on an ATV, smoke around them indoors, let people smoke weed around them, get drunk around them... whatever. As long as the kid's parent figures the kid is fine, then it's fine! :thumbup:

How you jumped waaay over from what that poster actually said to your interpretation/exaggeration in your post is a mystery, but there are 17 pages of people saying extreme things without backing it up, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise.

JM44800

JH6056 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

When i was 3... I wasn't able to choose the music that played in my house because:
A. I was 3.
B. I didn't know how the radio or record player worked.
C. I was not allowed to go near the radio or record player or television.
D. I was too young to drive to the record store to browse through the various catalogs for music of my liking.
E. I was fricken' 3!
...
So, my only option was to listen to what my parent's were playing.
That is why I loved Perry Como, Andy Williams, Glen Campbell, Jimmy Dean and Sing Along With Mitch Miller.
But, i do remember my favorite record was a kid's record we had that had 'Davey Crockett' on it. It also had a song about some cat that got stuck in a tree and howled at the Moon... that was the greatest song ever invented... to me.
But, hey... I was 3... what the hell did i know?
...
P.S. Guess how many Perry Como, Andy Williams, Glen Campbell, Jimmy Dean and Sing Along With Mitch Miller songs are on my iPod today?
Give yourself a Gold Star if you said, 'Zero'.

So you're saying you didn't beg to go with them when they got tix for Perry Como with Mitch Miller as support??? :shock:

But that right there is the key: yes, we're all limited by what we're exposed to and our ability/inability to seek out new stuff ourselves. And there's always that dynamic, like with awful pop songs where you hate it when you first hear it, but then hearing it over and over (in supermarkets, elevators, coffee shops) after awhile when it comes on you start tapping your fingers and humming along: repetition and familiarity can start to feel like (or actually turn into) liking it.

BUT... Repetition alone canNOT make a 3 yr beg to hear it over and over. We play a LOT of different kinds of music in our house. They absolutely do not like everything we love, nor do we expect them to. The 5 yr old would listen to Bob Marley 24/7 if she could, no matter what else she hears and likes.

There's a difference between "it's good enough until I'm old enough to discover my own music" and "Please please please play "3 Little Birds" again!!"

In the meantime though Cosmo, please tell me your parents took you to see Glen Campbell live before you ditched their music? I would be so jealous!

Much different in my house, Cosmo. My son just turned 4 in August and every day, every day, when he wakes up he asks if we can play music. When we get in the car to go to school, he specifically asks to play the new Pearl Jam or Nirvana or Bob Marley or other bands that he hears around the house and likes. When he goes to bed at night, he wants to listen to music instead of reading a book for night time. I don't believe he would do that if he didn't have a genuine connection with the music. Does that mean he is going to like these bands when he gets older, I don't know. Maybe he will, I would like to think he will because it's good music and it can transcend a lot of things, especially time.

PJ_Soul

JH6056 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

JM44800 wrote:

The point was someone previously said to take then to the Fresh Jive concert or whatever kids thing they named and I would never take my kids to that because they have never heard of them nor would they likely enjoy it. They would enjoy going to something they have listened to every day and can sing a long to.

And I am one of the ones that would not take their kid to a show, but certainly undertsand and respect those that would. If you know your kid, it should not matter what others on here think, especially since most of them are obnoxious in their responses and rude.

So I guess anything that parents let their kids do is perfectly fine. As long as the parent thinks it's cool, no probs. Stick your 4 year old on an ATV, smoke around them indoors, let people smoke weed around them, get drunk around them... whatever. As long as the kid's parent figures the kid is fine, then it's fine! :thumbup:

How you jumped waaay over from what that poster actually said to your interpretation/exaggeration in your post is a mystery, but there are 17 pages of people saying extreme things without backing it up, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise.

I think my facetiousness in that post is glaringly obvious, and so is the point I'm making.

JH6056

PJ_Soul wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Because whether or not the kids like the music has nothing to do with whether or not a rock concert where there is drinking, drug use, ad goes until 11 or 11:30 at night is an appropriate place for a young child.
I loved Guns n' Roses by the time I was 11 years old, but my parents would not have let me go to one of their concerts at that age, not in a million years. No one's parents would unless they were really shitty parents. Because they were responsible parents who understood what was and wasn't appropriate for a child. I don't know wtf has happened to the concept of parenting for a lot of people since then, but I don't think it's gone in a good direction.

Actually I would never take any kid younger than 16 to a Guns and Roses concert either, because it's a GUNS AND ROSES concert. That bands entire scene and most of their songs were built around drug use, groupies and being bad boys. I saw GNR and saw more tits, idiots and drugged out sad saps than any other show I've been to before or since. Which is exactly what I expected because... Wait for it... It was Guns and Roses!

Different bands draw different scenes, and so far no one has mentioned taking a kid to a show like that. All rock shows/scenes are not the same, so please explain why a kid at a typical PJ show would be equally as bad?

I would never take my little kid to ANY place where there is open drug use and thousands of drunk strangers, late at night when they're supposed to be in bed. Because they're 3 years old. The more I think about it, the more idiotic it seems to me. I don't personally know ANY parents who would even consider taking their 3 year old to a rock concert or keep them out around drunk and high people and not get them home until midnight. I've asked some of the them, and they all thought it was the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard.

First off, once again, where are you seeing "open drug use" at PJ shows?? What drugs?? At the venues we go to, you can't smoke at all and they do go after all smokers. The 2 times no one stopped others from smoking, we moved. Period. And even without my kids I move because I hate smoke (don't know how I survived back when you could smoke everywhere!). And drinking, I don't care if people are consuming alcohol, I only care how they're acting. Loud comes with the territory, and the few true asses I've been close to, we moved. Again, I don't stay near asses even without kids. So what drugs are you seeing used in the open, and where are you seeing it?

Everything else you said about never taking your kids, hey, that's absolutely your choice to make. You and your friends see eye to eye, excellent, good to have a community that reflects your values. We have a really good community of parents that reflect our values too. The kids at my kids' schools do extremely well on standardized tests. My 5 yr old and several of her friends take Judo and are now yellow belts. My kids' friends are smart, kind, and our families enjoy being around their friends's families. Our oldest is in a bilingual school and can already converse in a 2nd language. They both love to play kiddie soccer at school/preschool. In public places we constantly get complimented on how articulate and sweet our kids are, but they're just like their friends.

Oh, and we run into them and their similarly aged kids at all sorts of musical events - everything from They Might Be Giants kids matinee shows to when a group of us took our kids to see Living Color do all of Vivid recently. So our friends... Are different from your friends. And that's ok. I'm guessing one thing we ALL have in common is wanting the best for our kids and doing our best for our kids. Can you imagine that being true from your end?

rick1zoo2

I am taking my 17 year-old son to Monday's PJ show in Philly and I am a bit worried.....






.....he may mosh me or send me crowd surfing.....

JonnyPistachio

I love these "I would love to run into you in brooklyn" sayings!

because fighting over whether or not a 3 year old is appropriate at a concert is important. :fp:

Look, the bottom line is, 90% of the people in this thread feel its not a good idea. Does that make it wrong? No. They're your kids, do what you want.


oh, and PS - I wanted to go to my first concert - Guns n roses as well... News years eve around 1990-1 I think. My folks said absolutely not. All my friends got to go and I was pissed.

pdalowsky

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I love these "I would love to run into you in brooklyn" sayings!

because fighting over whether or not a 3 year old is appropriate at a concert is important. :fp:

Look, the bottom line is, 90% of the people in this thread feel its not a good idea. Does that make it wrong? No. They're your kids, do what you want.


oh, and PS - I wanted to go to my first concert - Guns n roses as well... News years eve around 1990-1 I think. My folks said absolutely not. All my friends got to go and I was pissed.

Oh man I was the same but it was 93...

Cosmo

JH6056 wrote:

So you're saying you didn't beg to go with them when they got tix for Perry Como with Mitch Miller as support??? :shock:

But that right there is the key: yes, we're all limited by what we're exposed to and our ability/inability to seek out new stuff ourselves. And there's always that dynamic, like with awful pop songs where you hate it when you first hear it, but then hearing it over and over (in supermarkets, elevators, coffee shops) after awhile when it comes on you start tapping your fingers and humming along: repetition and familiarity can start to feel like (or actually turn into) liking it.

BUT... Repetition alone canNOT make a 3 yr beg to hear it over and over. We play a LOT of different kinds of music in our house. They absolutely do not like everything we love, nor do we expect them to. The 5 yr old would listen to Bob Marley 24/7 if she could, no matter what else she hears and likes.

There's a difference between "it's good enough until I'm old enough to discover my own music" and "Please please please play "3 Little Birds" again!!"

In the meantime though Cosmo, please tell me your parents took you to see Glen Campbell live before you ditched their music? I would be so jealous! I mean that, Wichita Lineman is one of many classics!

...
I didn't know anything about concerts... I was 3. I didn't even know that Kintergarden existed, yet. So, no... I did not beg them to drag me off to see Perry Como. And concerts were as abundant as they are today. The greatest thing in my life back then was going to the movies and getting to eat candy and popcorn.
...
My parents also played a lot of music on my house... but, I still liked that song about the cat the best. I was 3. Most of the music blended in to a mix and i didn't know who was singing what til I got older. My critical thinking abilities were pretty primative back then, probably because i was 3.
I think the reason I loved that cat song so much... mostly because it was my record. I got to pick it out from the Sears Roebuck and i picked it because it had a cartoon album cover with Davey Crocket, a cat in a tree, a spider, a dog wearing a hat, the Moon, a bear playing the guitar and stuff like that. I discovered the cat song myself... it wasn't on the radio... Davey Crockett was... and we all knew the 'Eency Weency Spider' song... but, i never heard the cat song before... or ever since for that matter. I felt it was mine.
Of course, I never really thought about it like that... mostly because i was 3.
...
And we did get dragged off to see some show at the Hollywood Bowl... i have no idea who it was... probably because i was 3. It was fun for about 10 minutes, then the next thing I remember was being awakened in my mother's arms as she carried me from the car to my bed.
...
And yes... we watched Glen Campbell every week... on T.V.... much later in life. But by then, the Beatles and the Stones and the Kinks and Herman's Hermits had been invented and i got to pick my own music from there. i was old enough to ride my Sting-Ray down to the record store near the Mayfair Market to buy my own 45s with my allowance money. i had outgrown that cat song and was beginning to move away from my parent's music. I was no longer 3.

RKCNDY

JH6056 wrote:

First off, once again, where are you seeing "open drug use" at PJ shows?? What drugs?? At the venues we go to, you can't smoke at all and they do go after all smokers.

this is the most hilarious thing I have read in this entire thread...

PJ_Soul

RKCNDY wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

First off, once again, where are you seeing "open drug use" at PJ shows?? What drugs?? At the venues we go to, you can't smoke at all and they do go after all smokers.

this is the most hilarious thing I have read in this entire thread...

dimitrispearljam

RKCNDY wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

First off, once again, where are you seeing "open drug use" at PJ shows?? What drugs?? At the venues we go to, you can't smoke at all and they do go after all smokers.

this is the most hilarious thing I have read in this entire thread...

JH6056

Cosmo wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

So you're saying you didn't beg to go with them when they got tix for Perry Como with Mitch Miller as support??? :shock:

But that right there is the key: yes, we're all limited by what we're exposed to and our ability/inability to seek out new stuff ourselves. And there's always that dynamic, like with awful pop songs where you hate it when you first hear it, but then hearing it over and over (in supermarkets, elevators, coffee shops) after awhile when it comes on you start tapping your fingers and humming along: repetition and familiarity can start to feel like (or actually turn into) liking it.

BUT... Repetition alone canNOT make a 3 yr beg to hear it over and over. We play a LOT of different kinds of music in our house. They absolutely do not like everything we love, nor do we expect them to. The 5 yr old would listen to Bob Marley 24/7 if she could, no matter what else she hears and likes.

There's a difference between "it's good enough until I'm old enough to discover my own music" and "Please please please play "3 Little Birds" again!!"

In the meantime though Cosmo, please tell me your parents took you to see Glen Campbell live before you ditched their music? I would be so jealous! I mean that, Wichita Lineman is one of many classics!

...
I didn't know anything about concerts... I was 3. I didn't even know that Kintergarden existed, yet. So, no... I did not beg them to drag me off to see Perry Como. And concerts were as abundant as they are today. The greatest thing in my life back then was going to the movies and getting to eat candy and popcorn.
...
My parents also played a lot of music on my house... but, I still liked that song about the cat the best. I was 3. Most of the music blended in to a mix and i didn't know who was singing what til I got older. My critical thinking abilities were pretty primative back then, probably because i was 3.
I think the reason I loved that cat song so much... mostly because it was my record. I got to pick it out from the Sears Roebuck and i picked it because it had a cartoon album cover with Davey Crocket, a cat in a tree, a spider, a dog wearing a hat, the Moon, a bear playing the guitar and stuff like that. I discovered the cat song myself... it wasn't on the radio... Davey Crockett was... and we all knew the 'Eency Weency Spider' song... but, i never heard the cat song before... or ever since for that matter. I felt it was mine.
Of course, I never really thought about it like that... mostly because i was 3.
...
And we did get dragged off to see some show at the Hollywood Bowl... i have no idea who it was... probably because i was 3. It was fun for about 10 minutes, then the next thing I remember was being awakened in my mother's arms as she carried me from the car to my bed.
...
And yes... we watched Glen Campbell every week... on T.V.... much later in life. But by then, the Beatles and the Stones and the Kinks and Herman's Hermits had been invented and i got to pick my own music from there. i was old enough to ride my Sting-Ray down to the record store near the Mayfair Market to buy my own 45s with my allowance money. i had outgrown that cat song and was beginning to move away from my parent's music. I was no longer 3.

It's time to stop holding back key info: how old were you when the events above took place???

Abe Froman

RKCNDY wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

First off, once again, where are you seeing "open drug use" at PJ shows?? What drugs?? At the venues we go to, you can't smoke at all and they do go after all smokers.

this is the most hilarious thing I have read in this entire thread...

Can this thread end now? Most agree not appropriate to bring 3yr old. A few think its fine. Nobody is changing anyones mind. End thread.

JH6056

dimitrispearljam wrote:

RKCNDY wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

First off, once again, where are you seeing "open drug use" at PJ shows?? What drugs?? At the venues we go to, you can't smoke at all and they do go after all smokers.

this is the most hilarious thing I have read in this entire thread...

That's cool, laugh at me all you like. But I have seen PJ literally at the far north, south. East and west ends of the country (including Philly, S. Dakota, Cali ant Texas) and NEVER seen open drug use beyond alcohol and weed, and I already addressed those. So laugh away, but what's the answer? What drugs have YOU seen used openly at a PJ show?

dimitrispearljam

JH6056 wrote:

That's cool, laugh at me all you like. But I have seen PJ literally at the far north, south. East and west ends of the country (including Philly, S. Dakota, Cali ant Texas) and NEVER seen open drug use beyond alcohol and weed, and I already addressed those. So laugh away, but what's the answer? What drugs have YOU seen used openly at a PJ show?

cant remember,i was stoned