3 year-old's First Show Tonight

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

Brought my 10 year old to the buffalo show...he had a blast and I did it for him, not me.

As for a 3 year old? I wouldn't do it...for many reasons. But none of those reason would come near me thinking it would be abuse. I wouldn't do it because he wouldn't remember, because I would be completely unable to enjoy myself, because its not for me. But I don't really care what someone else does with their ticket.

I'd much rather see a pleasant 3 year old there than a douche bag 30 year old drunk guy....but again, I don't really care. It's your ticket.

Is there beer and weed at concerts? Yes. Is there beer and weed everywhere? Pretty much. The guys in front of us lit one up and my boy smelled it...I in no way think that makes me a bad parent. Him, being 10, and I had a very informative convo about it on the way home. I'm glad those guys didn't think twice about it. It's 2.5 hours of my sons hopefully long life. And I think he'll have amazing memories of that night. I know I will.

Life is all about experiences. Don't worry so much about other people's choices. Make the ones you want to make. That dude and his 3 year old aren't going to affect your good time at the concert.

Look at me handing out life lessons! anyway....just my opinion on it. As you were.

some of you could learn a lot from this post.

PJ_Soul

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

Brought my 10 year old to the buffalo show...he had a blast and I did it for him, not me.

As for a 3 year old? I wouldn't do it...for many reasons. But none of those reason would come near me thinking it would be abuse. I wouldn't do it because he wouldn't remember, because I would be completely unable to enjoy myself, because its not for me. But I don't really care what someone else does with their ticket.

I'd much rather see a pleasant 3 year old there than a douche bag 30 year old drunk guy....but again, I don't really care. It's your ticket.

Is there beer and weed at concerts? Yes. Is there beer and weed everywhere? Pretty much. The guys in front of us lit one up and my boy smelled it...I in no way think that makes me a bad parent. Him, being 10, and I had a very informative convo about it on the way home. I'm glad those guys didn't think twice about it. It's 2.5 hours of my sons hopefully long life. And I think he'll have amazing memories of that night. I know I will.

Life is all about experiences. Don't worry so much about other people's choices. Make the ones you want to make. That dude and his 3 year old aren't going to affect your good time at the concert.

Look at me handing out life lessons! anyway....just my opinion on it. As you were.

Well actually, someone and their 3 year old would affect my good time at a concert if they were sitting by me. I'm not saying that's their problem, but I wouldn't be able to have as good a time.

Also, really? There is beer and weed pretty much everywhere?? I don't think so.

Vedd Hedd

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

Brought my 10 year old to the buffalo show...he had a blast and I did it for him, not me.

As for a 3 year old? I wouldn't do it...for many reasons. But none of those reason would come near me thinking it would be abuse. I wouldn't do it because he wouldn't remember, because I would be completely unable to enjoy myself, because its not for me. But I don't really care what someone else does with their ticket.

I'd much rather see a pleasant 3 year old there than a douche bag 30 year old drunk guy....but again, I don't really care. It's your ticket.

Is there beer and weed at concerts? Yes. Is there beer and weed everywhere? Pretty much. The guys in front of us lit one up and my boy smelled it...I in no way think that makes me a bad parent. Him, being 10, and I had a very informative convo about it on the way home. I'm glad those guys didn't think twice about it. It's 2.5 hours of my sons hopefully long life. And I think he'll have amazing memories of that night. I know I will.

Life is all about experiences. Don't worry so much about other people's choices. Make the ones you want to make. That dude and his 3 year old aren't going to affect your good time at the concert.

Look at me handing out life lessons! anyway....just my opinion on it. As you were.

Good post.

dimitrispearljam

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

Brought my 10 year old to the buffalo show...he had a blast and I did it for him, not me.

As for a 3 year old? I wouldn't do it...for many reasons. But none of those reason would come near me thinking it would be abuse. I wouldn't do it because he wouldn't remember, because I would be completely unable to enjoy myself, because its not for me. But I don't really care what someone else does with their ticket.

I'd much rather see a pleasant 3 year old there than a douche bag 30 year old drunk guy....but again, I don't really care. It's your ticket.

Is there beer and weed at concerts? Yes. Is there beer and weed everywhere? Pretty much. The guys in front of us lit one up and my boy smelled it...I in no way think that makes me a bad parent. Him, being 10, and I had a very informative convo about it on the way home. I'm glad those guys didn't think twice about it. It's 2.5 hours of my sons hopefully long life. And I think he'll have amazing memories of that night. I know I will.

Life is all about experiences. Don't worry so much about other people's choices. Make the ones you want to make. That dude and his 3 year old aren't going to affect your good time at the concert.

Look at me handing out life lessons! anyway....just my opinion on it. As you were.

:thumbup:

Merkin Baller

PJ_Soul wrote:

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

Brought my 10 year old to the buffalo show...he had a blast and I did it for him, not me.

As for a 3 year old? I wouldn't do it...for many reasons. But none of those reason would come near me thinking it would be abuse. I wouldn't do it because he wouldn't remember, because I would be completely unable to enjoy myself, because its not for me. But I don't really care what someone else does with their ticket.

I'd much rather see a pleasant 3 year old there than a douche bag 30 year old drunk guy....but again, I don't really care. It's your ticket.

Is there beer and weed at concerts? Yes. Is there beer and weed everywhere? Pretty much. The guys in front of us lit one up and my boy smelled it...I in no way think that makes me a bad parent. Him, being 10, and I had a very informative convo about it on the way home. I'm glad those guys didn't think twice about it. It's 2.5 hours of my sons hopefully long life. And I think he'll have amazing memories of that night. I know I will.

Life is all about experiences. Don't worry so much about other people's choices. Make the ones you want to make. That dude and his 3 year old aren't going to affect your good time at the concert.

Look at me handing out life lessons! anyway....just my opinion on it. As you were.

Well actually, someone and their 3 year old would affect my good time at a concert if they were sitting by me. I'm not saying that's their problem, but I wouldn't be able to have as good a time.

Also, really? There is beer and weed pretty much everywhere?? I don't think so.

+1

JH6056

PJ_Soul wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

I just hope pj dont play Balls in your Mouth,so you dont have to explain to your 3 years old kid what that means! :thumbup:

That reminds me of when Ed told a very long story in Missoula about a naked guy in the sauna, and how he could tattoo his penis and make a short message longer by getting a hard on.... I wonder what a 3 year old would make of that little tale? Or the one at Wrigley about Mike having 4 balls (I'M not even sure what to make of that one!).

What cracks me up is that you guys yourselves understand every word of Ed's stories and assume a 3 yr old would understand them. So far at the shows we've gone to, even when a band member has cursed or made jokes, for the most part the flurry of words seems to go over the heads of my 3 and 5 yr old (who would have no problem at all asking "Did he just say "tattoo penis"?? What does that mean?" if they caught it.

My 5 yr old and I were listening to Marley's "Could You Be Loved" in the car the other day, and she asked "Momma, who is he singing to in this song?" Keeping it simple I just said "Probably his wife, Rita." "How many wives did Bob Marley have?" "He only married Rita." No way was I gonna wade into the numerous kids with other women as young as she is! But then she says "No momma, he had 3 wives." "Um, I'm pretty sure he only married Rita..." "Mommy you're forgetting something... they're called the "I - Threes!!" (Bob's backup vocalists, including Rita Marley, were called the I - Threes). I didn't even know she knew that!

So it's not to say kids don't catch things (they catch way more than we realize), but so far my kids don't seem to make out most of what is said through a mic unless it's a quiet show or they already know the song. So I'm not overly worried about Ed's stories right now, but the day will definitely come that I have to explain something I'm not ready to . But that day comes for every parent, show or no shows! My kids have already come home from school with questions like "Is darn a bad word? How about sillyhead? How about fuck?" (usually from friends with older siblings). It's only a matter of time...

JH6056

Vedd Hedd wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

I just hope pj dont play Balls in your Mouth,so you dont have to explain to your 3 years old kid what that means! :thumbup:

That reminds me of when Ed told a very long story in Missoula about a naked guy in the sauna, and how he could tattoo his penis and make a short message longer by getting a hard on.... I wonder what a 3 year old would make of that little tale? Or the one at Wrigley about Mike having 4 balls (I'M not even sure what to make of that one!).

My three year old would probably have trouble hearing through ed mumbling, plus people talking, plus, not understanding the concepts and context of the language.

I pretty much just said the same thing before I saw your comment. That is definitely true. I don't even understand all the mumbling a lot of the time!

jimbojones1138

madtowndave wrote:

Am I the only one surprised that this thread is still active? :fp: :fp: :fp:

+1

PJ_Soul

JH6056 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

I just hope pj dont play Balls in your Mouth,so you dont have to explain to your 3 years old kid what that means! :thumbup:

That reminds me of when Ed told a very long story in Missoula about a naked guy in the sauna, and how he could tattoo his penis and make a short message longer by getting a hard on.... I wonder what a 3 year old would make of that little tale? Or the one at Wrigley about Mike having 4 balls (I'M not even sure what to make of that one!).

What cracks me up is that you guys yourselves understand every word of Ed's stories and assume a 3 yr old would understand them. So far at the shows we've gone to, even when a band member has cursed or made jokes, for the most part the flurry of words seems to go over the heads of my 3 and 5 yr old (who would have no problem at all asking "Did he just say "tattoo penis"?? What does that mean?" if they caught it.

My 5 yr old and I were listening to Marley's "Could You Be Loved" in the car the other day, and she asked "Momma, who is he singing to in this song?" Keeping it simple I just said "Probably his wife, Rita." "How many wives did Bob Marley have?" "He only married Rita." No way was I gonna wade into the numerous kids with other women as young as she is! But then she says "No momma, he had 3 wives." "Um, I'm pretty sure he only married Rita..." "Mommy you're forgetting something... they're called the "I - Threes!!" (Bob's backup vocalists, including Rita Marley, were called the I - Threes). I didn't even know she knew that!

So it's not to say kids don't catch things (they catch way more than we realize), but so far my kids don't seem to make out most of what is said through a mic unless it's a quiet show or they already know the song. So I'm not overly worried about Ed's stories right now, but the day will definitely come that I have to explain something I'm not ready to . But that day comes for every parent, show or no shows! My kids have already come home from school with questions like "Is darn a bad word? How about sillyhead? How about fuck?" (usually from friends with older siblings). It's only a matter of time...

I think you need to gain a bit more of a sense of humour in this thread.

Cinnamon Girl

PJ_Soul wrote:

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

Brought my 10 year old to the buffalo show...he had a blast and I did it for him, not me.

As for a 3 year old? I wouldn't do it...for many reasons. But none of those reason would come near me thinking it would be abuse. I wouldn't do it because he wouldn't remember, because I would be completely unable to enjoy myself, because its not for me. But I don't really care what someone else does with their ticket.

I'd much rather see a pleasant 3 year old there than a douche bag 30 year old drunk guy....but again, I don't really care. It's your ticket.

Is there beer and weed at concerts? Yes. Is there beer and weed everywhere? Pretty much. The guys in front of us lit one up and my boy smelled it...I in no way think that makes me a bad parent. Him, being 10, and I had a very informative convo about it on the way home. I'm glad those guys didn't think twice about it. It's 2.5 hours of my sons hopefully long life. And I think he'll have amazing memories of that night. I know I will.

Life is all about experiences. Don't worry so much about other people's choices. Make the ones you want to make. That dude and his 3 year old aren't going to affect your good time at the concert.

Look at me handing out life lessons! anyway....just my opinion on it. As you were.

Also, really? There is beer and weed pretty much everywhere?? I don't think so.

You're right, it's not literally everywhere, but I think you get my point. There's sheltered existence then there's reality and education. And I'm mostly relating that statement to my situation though.

I'm not saying I support this guys choice as a parent, but it is his choice. And unless I'm aware of some abuse I don't make it my business to judge his choices.

And, I just have to add, I've been probably more affected by asshole adults at concerts than I would be by a kid.

I respect everyone's opinion here. I guess I just felt like I should weigh in since I brought my kid to a show. I know its not for everyone.

Bring on Philly I and II!!

Vedd Hedd

I dont understand how someone else's 3 year old would ruin anyone elses enjoyment of a concert...

Unless they were talking all the time or urinating all over the place....which 9 times out of 10 this is happens with non-3 year olds.

PJ_Soul

Vedd Hedd wrote:

I dont understand how someone else's 3 year old would ruin anyone elses enjoyment of a concert...

Unless they were talking all the time or urinating all over the place....which 9 times out of 10 this is happens with non-3 year olds.

It would ruin my enjoyment of a concert in many possible ways:
- Chances are pretty good that the kid would be squirming and talking and possibly whining, maybe sleeping(!)... That would annoy me and be a bit of a bummer in some cases (i.e. a sleeping child next to me... not exactly conducive to rocking out!!!). Not everyone thinks a restless toddler in an age-inappropriate venue is cute, FYI.
- I would feel distracted by their presence to the point that it would ruin my own experience. I.e. when people are swearing I'd be thinking about the kid (and I'd also feel like I had to watch my own mouth - I swear like a sailor), if people lit up a joint I'd be concerned about the kid, when it was really loud I'd be focused on the kid, when the kid was clearly totally fucking exhausted because it's 10:00 at night I'd be thinking about the kid... A three year old is a major distraction IMO. I don't want my thoughts to be on the well-being of a 3 year old, but I wouldn't be able to help it.

Leave the toddlers at home and let the grown-ups have a night where they don't have to be thinking about what's going on with a toddler next to them.

JH6056

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

Brought my 10 year old to the buffalo show...he had a blast and I did it for him, not me.

As for a 3 year old? I wouldn't do it...for many reasons. But none of those reason would come near me thinking it would be abuse. I wouldn't do it because he wouldn't remember, because I would be completely unable to enjoy myself, because its not for me. But I don't really care what someone else does with their ticket.

I'd much rather see a pleasant 3 year old there than a douche bag 30 year old drunk guy....but again, I don't really care. It's your ticket.

Is there beer and weed at concerts? Yes. Is there beer and weed everywhere? Pretty much. The guys in front of us lit one up and my boy smelled it...I in no way think that makes me a bad parent. Him, being 10, and I had a very informative convo about it on the way home. I'm glad those guys didn't think twice about it. It's 2.5 hours of my sons hopefully long life. And I think he'll have amazing memories of that night. I know I will.

Life is all about experiences. Don't worry so much about other people's choices. Make the ones you want to make. That dude and his 3 year old aren't going to affect your good time at the concert.

Look at me handing out life lessons! anyway....just my opinion on it. As you were.

some of you could learn a lot from this post.

Some people could, but some are too dug into their firm perspective to even be open to considering this post. I think it's excellent, and I understand that this poster would make a different choice than I did. But at least it's stated reasonably and she explains how she got to her perspective.

Abe Froman

PJ_Soul wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

I dont understand how someone else's 3 year old would ruin anyone elses enjoyment of a concert...

Unless they were talking all the time or urinating all over the place....which 9 times out of 10 this is happens with non-3 year olds.

It would ruin my enjoyment of a concert in many possible ways:
- Chances are pretty good that the kid would be squirming and talking and possibly whining, maybe sleeping(!)... That would annoy me and be a bit of a bummer in some cases (i.e. a sleeping child next to me... not exactly conducive to rocking out!!!). Not everyone thinks a restless toddler in an age-inappropriate venue is cute, FYI.
- I would feel distracted by their presence to the point that it would ruin my own experience. I.e. when people are swearing I'd be thinking about the kid (and I'd also feel like I had to watch my own mouth - I swear like a sailor), if people lit up a joint I'd be concerned about the kid, when it was really loud I'd be focused on the kid, when the kid was clearly totally fucking exhausted because it's 10:00 at night I'd be thinking about the kid... A three year old is a major distraction IMO. I don't want my thoughts to be on the well-being of a 3 year old, but I wouldn't be able to help it.Leave the toddlers at home and let the grown-ups have a night where they don't have to be thinking about what's going on with a toddler next to them.

:thumbup:
Well said. With young children of my own, these would be my thoughts exactly.

JH6056

PJ_Soul wrote:

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

Brought my 10 year old to the buffalo show...he had a blast and I did it for him, not me.

As for a 3 year old? I wouldn't do it...for many reasons. But none of those reason would come near me thinking it would be abuse. I wouldn't do it because he wouldn't remember, because I would be completely unable to enjoy myself, because its not for me. But I don't really care what someone else does with their ticket.

I'd much rather see a pleasant 3 year old there than a douche bag 30 year old drunk guy....but again, I don't really care. It's your ticket.

Is there beer and weed at concerts? Yes. Is there beer and weed everywhere? Pretty much. The guys in front of us lit one up and my boy smelled it...I in no way think that makes me a bad parent. Him, being 10, and I had a very informative convo about it on the way home. I'm glad those guys didn't think twice about it. It's 2.5 hours of my sons hopefully long life. And I think he'll have amazing memories of that night. I know I will.

Life is all about experiences. Don't worry so much about other people's choices. Make the ones you want to make. That dude and his 3 year old aren't going to affect your good time at the concert.

Look at me handing out life lessons! anyway....just my opinion on it. As you were.

Well actually, someone and their 3 year old would affect my good time at a concert if they were sitting by me. I'm not saying that's their problem, but I wouldn't be able to have as good a time.

Also, really? There is beer and weed pretty much everywhere?? I don't think so.

Why wouldn't you be able to have a good time? How exactly would that 3 yr old's presence impact you?

Edited to add: Never mind, Is see you already answered this.

PJ_Soul

JH6056 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

Brought my 10 year old to the buffalo show...he had a blast and I did it for him, not me.

As for a 3 year old? I wouldn't do it...for many reasons. But none of those reason would come near me thinking it would be abuse. I wouldn't do it because he wouldn't remember, because I would be completely unable to enjoy myself, because its not for me. But I don't really care what someone else does with their ticket.

I'd much rather see a pleasant 3 year old there than a douche bag 30 year old drunk guy....but again, I don't really care. It's your ticket.

Is there beer and weed at concerts? Yes. Is there beer and weed everywhere? Pretty much. The guys in front of us lit one up and my boy smelled it...I in no way think that makes me a bad parent. Him, being 10, and I had a very informative convo about it on the way home. I'm glad those guys didn't think twice about it. It's 2.5 hours of my sons hopefully long life. And I think he'll have amazing memories of that night. I know I will.

Life is all about experiences. Don't worry so much about other people's choices. Make the ones you want to make. That dude and his 3 year old aren't going to affect your good time at the concert.

Look at me handing out life lessons! anyway....just my opinion on it. As you were.

Well actually, someone and their 3 year old would affect my good time at a concert if they were sitting by me. I'm not saying that's their problem, but I wouldn't be able to have as good a time.

Also, really? There is beer and weed pretty much everywhere?? I don't think so.

Why wouldn't you be able to have a good time? How exactly would that 3 yr old's presence impact you?

Just answered that.

Vedd Hedd

PJ_Soul wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

I dont understand how someone else's 3 year old would ruin anyone elses enjoyment of a concert...

Unless they were talking all the time or urinating all over the place....which 9 times out of 10 this is happens with non-3 year olds.

It would ruin my enjoyment of a concert in many possible ways:
- Chances are pretty good that the kid would be squirming and talking and possibly whining, maybe sleeping(!)... That would annoy me and be a bit of a bummer in some cases (i.e. a sleeping child next to me... not exactly conducive to rocking out!!!). Not everyone thinks a restless toddler in an age-inappropriate venue is cute, FYI.
- I would feel distracted by their presence to the point that it would ruin my own experience. I.e. when people are swearing I'd be thinking about the kid (and I'd also feel like I had to watch my own mouth - I swear like a sailor), if people lit up a joint I'd be concerned about the kid, when it was really loud I'd be focused on the kid, when the kid was clearly totally fucking exhausted because it's 10:00 at night I'd be thinking about the kid... A three year old is a major distraction IMO. I don't want my thoughts to be on the well-being of a 3 year old, but I wouldn't be able to help it.

Leave the toddlers at home and let the grown-ups have a night where they don't have to be thinking about what's going on with a toddler next to them.

Would you feel the same way at a baseball game? I generally hear more swearing there. Also, more drinking. And more ass-grabbery. Granted, most people dont dance with mary jane at a ball game. But still. And that same kid is staying up past 10pm. (I think this is the worst part of the argument, to be honest. My kid gets to stay up late on special occasions. A ball game, a hockey game, xmas eve, etc. I dont see why a concert would be any different)

Vedd Hedd

Also, who cares that this thread is still going. For the most part, its decent discussion, its not a total flame war. Nothing wrong with discussing opposing viewpoints.

JH6056

PJ_Soul wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

I dont understand how someone else's 3 year old would ruin anyone elses enjoyment of a concert...

Unless they were talking all the time or urinating all over the place....which 9 times out of 10 this is happens with non-3 year olds.

It would ruin my enjoyment of a concert in many possible ways:
- Chances are pretty good that the kid would be squirming and talking and possibly whining, maybe sleeping(!)... That would annoy me and be a bit of a bummer in some cases (i.e. a sleeping child next to me... not exactly conducive to rocking out!!!). Not everyone thinks a restless toddler in an age-inappropriate venue is cute, FYI.
- I would feel distracted by their presence to the point that it would ruin my own experience. I.e. when people are swearing I'd be thinking about the kid (and I'd also feel like I had to watch my own mouth - I swear like a sailor), if people lit up a joint I'd be concerned about the kid, when it was really loud I'd be focused on the kid, when the kid was clearly totally fucking exhausted because it's 10:00 at night I'd be thinking about the kid... A three year old is a major distraction IMO. I don't want my thoughts to be on the well-being of a 3 year old, but I wouldn't be able to help it.

Leave the toddlers at home and let the grown-ups have a night where they don't have to be thinking about what's going on with a toddler next to them.

Wow, that is so interesting. I find the majority of how adults act at shows (even PJ shows) 1,000 times more distracting/annoying than the presence of a child. Shoving, yelling out at quiet moments, dancing and hitting people and not caring... that annoys me. A kid who's either quiet or having a good time... I guess I just don't get why that would have a negative impact at all. And just to be clear, you're assuming the kid is NOT ok, the squirming/crying parts are a kid who clearly is not ok with being that. That would not be my kids, never has been, so I get that that is the biggest difference. I just don't understand that, but to each their own.

Meanwhile though, just like someone asking on this site that people not yell out requests, or begging people to rock out more/rock out less, you can request anything you like of other fans... but as long as we each buy a ticket and don't break the law, we get to make our own choices about who we bring and how we enjoy a show. So yup, I WILL still be bringing my kids to shows, and I hope all the parents here who have kids who enjoy shows and know how to protect their ears/take care of their needs keep bringing them out, despite what 22 pages of naysayers say.

PJ_Soul

Vedd Hedd wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

I dont understand how someone else's 3 year old would ruin anyone elses enjoyment of a concert...

Unless they were talking all the time or urinating all over the place....which 9 times out of 10 this is happens with non-3 year olds.

It would ruin my enjoyment of a concert in many possible ways:
- Chances are pretty good that the kid would be squirming and talking and possibly whining, maybe sleeping(!)... That would annoy me and be a bit of a bummer in some cases (i.e. a sleeping child next to me... not exactly conducive to rocking out!!!). Not everyone thinks a restless toddler in an age-inappropriate venue is cute, FYI.
- I would feel distracted by their presence to the point that it would ruin my own experience. I.e. when people are swearing I'd be thinking about the kid (and I'd also feel like I had to watch my own mouth - I swear like a sailor), if people lit up a joint I'd be concerned about the kid, when it was really loud I'd be focused on the kid, when the kid was clearly totally fucking exhausted because it's 10:00 at night I'd be thinking about the kid... A three year old is a major distraction IMO. I don't want my thoughts to be on the well-being of a 3 year old, but I wouldn't be able to help it.

Leave the toddlers at home and let the grown-ups have a night where they don't have to be thinking about what's going on with a toddler next to them.

Would you feel the same way at a baseball game? I generally hear more swearing there. Also, more drinking. And more ass-grabbery. Granted, most people dont dance with mary jane at a ball game. But still. And that same kid is staying up past 10pm. (I think this is the worst part of the argument, to be honest. My kid gets to stay up late on special occasions. A ball game, a hockey game, xmas eve, etc. I dont see why a concert would be any different)

I'm Canadian, so hockey game, but yes, in some ways I feel the same way at hockey games, and I would way prefer to not have little kids next to me at one. However, hockey games are designed to be family friendly, there are way more children there (probably because they are appropriate for children, whereas rock concerts are not), way more ways for the kid to entertain themselves, way more opportunity for the kids to get up and move around (intermissions), etc. It's not the same, and I'm not sure why people keep comparing sports events to rock concerts, quite frankly. The way you enjoy a hockey game and the way you enjoy a concert aren't in any way similar. The only thing they really have in common is that they happen to be at the same venue. And yeah, there are not anywhere near as many drunk people at a hockey game, and there is no way anyone would smoke weed at one (they'd get kicked out immediately). As for the bedtime.... Special occasion late bedtimes are just fine for older kids, like 7 or 8 years old. I don't think they are appropriate for 3 year olds at all. 3 year olds should be in bed on time no matter what IMO, and child specialists would agree with me.