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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Those that feel less guns mean less crime, would you put a sign in front of your home stating.... this is a
    "Gun Free Home"?


    I don't think you could imagine living in a country where you can have legal guns, crime isn't rampent and nobody breaks into houses, that don't have a sign reading: "gun free home".

    Most houses in Canada and probably the world are "gun free homes", no need for a sign.

    Must suck to live in a country where paranoia runs the day, eh!
    Yeah, really. I guess I would assume that people in the country might have a shot gun or something in case a cougar gets into the chicken coop, but when I walk by a house in a normal urban or suburban area, the assumption is definitely that it's probably a gun free home (whether it is or not doesn't matter - people here just don't think of it as normal). No need for the sign. It would be like having a sign saying "This is a dangerous chemical free home".
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,797
    another blood payment for freedom.
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Those that feel less guns mean less crime, would you put a sign in front of your home stating.... this is a
    "Gun Free Home"?


    I don't think you could imagine living in a country where you can have legal guns, crime isn't rampent and nobody breaks into houses, that don't have a sign reading: "gun free home".

    Most houses in Canada and probably the world are "gun free homes", no need for a sign.

    Must suck to live in a country where paranoia runs the day, eh!

    It's great living in a country with the freedom to defend my self. :D
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    aerial wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Those that feel less guns mean less crime, would you put a sign in front of your home stating.... this is a
    "Gun Free Home"?


    I don't think you could imagine living in a country where you can have legal guns, crime isn't rampent and nobody breaks into houses, that don't have a sign reading: "gun free home".

    Most houses in Canada and probably the world are "gun free homes", no need for a sign.

    Must suck to live in a country where paranoia runs the day, eh!

    It's great living in a country with the freedom to defend my self. :D
    We have the freedom to defend ourselves too. We can own guns if we go through the steps required to get one. People just don't tend to feel the need, because we're not paranoid about having to defend ourselves.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    “Paranoia is just having the right information.”

    http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=210148

    I will defend my self and family from criminals. There are several listed here.....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    aerial wrote:
    “Paranoia is just having the right information.”

    http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=210148

    I will defend my self and family from criminals. There are several listed here.....

    So the people who are paranoid and believe that the government can read their thoughts, so they wear foil on their heads, have the right information? :shock:
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    It's great living in a country with the freedom to defend my self. :D
    We have the freedom to defend ourselves too. We can own guns if we go through the steps required to get one. People just don't tend to feel the need, because we're not paranoid about having to defend ourselves.

    I love that about Canada. I wish we were like you guys up north.

    But America has been a gun culture for so long there is no going back and we must deal with what we got and make it as safe as possible with lots of guns.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Guitar92player wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    It's great living in a country with the freedom to defend my self. :D
    We have the freedom to defend ourselves too. We can own guns if we go through the steps required to get one. People just don't tend to feel the need, because we're not paranoid about having to defend ourselves.

    I love that about Canada. I wish we were like you guys up north.

    But America has been a gun culture for so long there is no going back and we must deal with what we got and make it as safe as possible with lots of guns.


    Is it really just the gun culture? Or everything else the goes with it. ie: dog eat dog. I want it all and I want it now. A tad easier with a gun in your hand for the time being. ;)

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    aerial wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Those that feel less guns mean less crime, would you put a sign in front of your home stating.... this is a
    "Gun Free Home"?


    I don't think you could imagine living in a country where you can have legal guns, crime isn't rampent and nobody breaks into houses, that don't have a sign reading: "gun free home".

    Most houses in Canada and probably the world are "gun free homes", no need for a sign.

    Must suck to live in a country where paranoia runs the day, eh!

    It's great living in a country with the freedom to defend my self. :D

    Trust me bro, if you came into my house I'd defend myself and family. Gun or no gun. ;)

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Guitar92player wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    “Paranoia is just having the right information.”

    http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=210148

    I will defend my self and family from criminals. There are several listed here.....

    So the people who are paranoid and believe that the government can read their thoughts, so they wear foil on their heads, have the right information? :shock:

    The government does not have to read anyones thoughts since they have access to everything we write or do.....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    aerial wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    “Paranoia is just having the right information.”

    http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=210148

    I will defend my self and family from criminals. There are several listed here.....

    So the people who are paranoid and believe that the government can read their thoughts, so they wear foil on their heads, have the right information? :shock:

    The government does not have to read anyones thoughts since they have access to everything we write or do.....

    ....on the internet. They don't know what we are doing all the time.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,797
    Guitar92player wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:

    So the people who are paranoid and believe that the government can read their thoughts, so they wear foil on their heads, have the right information? :shock:

    The government does not have to read anyones thoughts since they have access to everything we write or do.....

    ....on the internet. They don't know what we are doing all the time.
    dont get the flu shot, thats how the NSA puts the thought reading transmitters in. :mrgreen:
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Not to change the subject, I do believe its worth a topic itself, but I'll never get a flu shot.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,797
    unsung wrote:
    Not to change the subject, I do believe its worth a topic itself, but I'll never get a flu shot.
    last one I had was navy boot camp in 1988. never have had the flu , not likely to either.

    I will say though to maintain some semblence of thread integrity that they used an air gun like injection system. Fucking conveyor belt of shots. If dudes didnt stay still they got cut by the air.
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    by Guitar92player ....on the internet. They don't know what we are doing all the time.
    Not really...
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    aerial wrote:
    by Guitar92player ....on the internet. They don't know what we are doing all the time.
    Not really...

    Please explain, either here or a PM.

    I'll get my popcorn ready...
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    unsung wrote:
    Not to change the subject, I do believe its worth a topic itself, but I'll never get a flu shot.

    Good topic indeed.

    I never got one really until last year and it was the first year I didn't get the flu so now I am pro-flu shot. lol (Well, after I do some researching to see if its necessary for the current flu out there, then I will decide if I get one or not. But I am not anti-flu shot anymore).
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    mickeyrat wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    The government does not have to read anyones thoughts since they have access to everything we write or do.....

    ....on the internet. They don't know what we are doing all the time.
    dont get the flu shot, thats how the NSA puts the thought reading transmitters in. :mrgreen:

    ;):lol:
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,797
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/05/us/su ... tml?ref=us

    Supervisors of Navy Yard Gunman Were Told of Issues
    By SERGE F. KOVALESKI
    Published: October 4, 2013 40 Comments

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    The mother of Aaron Alexis, the military contractor who killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard last month, told his bosses one month before the shootings that he had a history of paranoid episodes and most likely needed therapy. But Mr. Alexis’ managers at the Experts Inc., an information technology firm, decided to keep him on the job and did not require him to seek treatment, an internal company investigation has found.
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    The investigation by Hewlett-Packard, which oversaw the Experts’ subcontract at the navy yard and other military bases, concluded that the Experts mishandled Mr. Alexis and knew more about his mental problems than the company has disclosed, a person with knowledge of the inquiry said. As a result, Hewlett-Packard last week canceled its business relationship with the firm, saying it had lost confidence in its work.

    “It is HP’s understanding that the Experts made their decision to return Mr. Alexis to duty without consulting a medical professional about his behavior, without determining whether he had seen a therapist as his mother suggested he might need to do, and without taking any other action to ensure that any mental health issues had been treated and resolved,” the person said. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

    The Experts did not dispute most of the findings of the investigation, including that Mr. Alexis’ mother had made them aware of his history of paranoia. But in a statement, the Experts said that Hewlett-Packard was “fully aware” of problems Mr. Alexis was having in early August in Rhode Island, “and any claim to the contrary is baseless.” Over all, according to the statement, Hewlett-Packard supervisors consistently gave Mr. Alexis satisfactory or better ratings in the weeks before the shootings.

    Mr. Alexis, 34, a former Navy reservist, was killed in a shootout with the police at the navy yard.

    Since the Sept. 16 rampage, many questions have arisen about what the government and Mr. Alexis’ supervisors knew about his mental stability. Over the past decade, Mr. Alexis had been arrested three times in three states, including once after shooting out the tires of a car in what he told the police was an anger-induced “blackout.” But the government issued him a security clearance in 2008 and renewed the clearance this year when the Experts hired him to service computers on military bases.

    In the aftermath of the navy yard rampage, President Obama ordered a review of how security clearances and background checks are conducted for all federal government employees and contractors.

    The Hewlett-Packard investigation provided new details about episodes in early August where Mr. Alexis claimed that he was being followed and was hearing voices sent by a “microwave machine.”

    The episodes began on Aug. 4 at an airport in Norfolk, Va., where Mr. Alexis got into an argument with a family that he thought was mocking him. According to the Hewlett-Packard investigation, Mr. Alexis called a project coordinator at the Experts and told her that he was becoming angry because people were making fun of him. She tried to calm him down and told him to get away from the people, the investigation found.

    After he reached his destination, Newport, R.I., Mr. Alexis continued to complain that the family was following him. He complained of hearing loud voices in his hotel room, though hotel employees could not hear them, knocked on doors in search of the noise and changed hotels. He called the Newport police and told them he was being followed. On Aug. 7, an employee of the Experts called the hotel and said they were bringing Mr. Alexis home because he was “unstable,” hotel logs show.

    On Aug. 9, the director of human resources for the Experts spoke to Mr. Alexis’ mother, who told the director of his previous paranoid behavior, the person with knowledge of the investigation said. His mother told the director that Mr. Alexis’ paranoia tended to subside with time, but that “he likely needed to see a therapist.”

    That same day, the director convened a meeting of “senior-level personnel” at the Experts who concluded that he could be sent back to work. The Hewlett-Packard investigation found that the Experts did not attempt to get Mr. Alexis to seek mental health care, a finding that the Experts has not disputed.

    Mr. Alexis did visit a Department of Veterans Affairs medical center in Providence, R.I., on Aug. 23, the veterans department said, but he did not mention hearing voices and complained only of having trouble sleeping. He did not receive mental health counseling, the department said.
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    The Experts said in its statement that it kept a Hewlett-Packard manager apprised of Mr. Alexis’ situation in Newport. In an e-mail message, the Experts said that a Hewlett-Packard manager in Newport said she was “comfortable” having Mr. Alexis come back to work after he reported hearing voices.

    Hewlett-Packard said its manager in Newport was a low-level employee who was not given full details by the Experts about Mr. Alexis’ problems. The company said it has placed that manager on administrative leave.

    The Experts was founded in 1998 by a former Navy petty officer whose online biography says he also served in special intelligence communications at the Pentagon. The Experts, which is based in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and has worked with a number of large military contractors, claims about $60 million in annual revenue, almost half of which came from its work with Hewlett-Packard.

    In a phone interview on Friday, Thomas E. Hoshko, the founder and chief executive, said the Experts could survive and even “thrive” without Hewlett-Packard. But he said the company might have to consider filing for bankruptcy protection because its main bank has imposed restrictive measures on its line of credit and the Experts might have trouble meeting its payroll next week.

    “The last thing we needed was for the bank to not support us,” he said. “I am in survival mode.”

    The company has already released about 250 workers who were assigned to the Hewlett-Packard subcontract, leaving it with about 350 contract workers, along with 100 employees.

    Mr. Hoshko, 59, is known for his love of yachts and for hosting lavish functions for top customers and producers.

    But the lives of most of the workers who get sent to jobs by the Experts are hardly as glamorous. One former worker who was with the Experts from 2009 to 2010, and had a similar job to Mr. Alexis, moved from North Carolina to Rhode Island to Virginia and Louisiana, making about $25 an hour.

    “You have to be thick-skinned, and the customers know that you can’t say anything back to them because you are a subcontractor,” said the worker, who did not want his name used because he still works in the industry. “It’s a tough life.”
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    It would be nice if there was someway for the guy in the hunting department at Wally World to know if his customer has had any anger-induced shooting spree blackouts in the past before he sells him a shotgun.

    But I know, that's just crazy talk and spits in the face of the constitution. :fp:

    He was probably just an actor anyway ... anyone check on his S.A.G. membership yet?
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