Navy Yard Shooting

The Juggler

i keep seeing interviews of the people who run the thai restaurant where alexis frequented back home.

...something tells me that's not authentic thai.

PJ_Soul

The Juggler wrote:

i keep seeing interviews of the people who run the thai restaurant where alexis frequented back home.

...something tells me that's not authentic thai.

The Juggler

PJ_Soul wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

i keep seeing interviews of the people who run the thai restaurant where alexis frequented back home.

...something tells me that's not authentic thai.

..this guy knows what i'm talking about.


seriously...if i lived near there, i would never eat at that place after seeing them. that's some fraud thai food.

Guitar92player

PJ_Soul wrote:

unsung wrote:

One another note this guy had already passed a very strict government background check, would a different have prevented his crime? Maybe we should make a law against murder instead.

I am disturbed that a "very strict" government background check didn't seem to uncover the past gun crimes that the news networks discovered within 5 minutes of checking the internet. Either that, or they uncovered them, and the people making the decisions on who can buy a gun just didn't give a shit that the guy has used his gun emotionally, aggressively, and very dangerously in the past (i.e. shooting out people's tires and shooting at neighbor's houses).

I think the people who did his background check did a shitty job. Hence, if people did their job, there should be less to worry about.

Guitar92player

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

A friend of mine and his nephew- both native Germans- recently visited us at our home here in the Sierra foothills. We were outside talking and heard gunfire not far away. I told them that because we lived outside city limits people were allowed to shoot on their property (which is fucking stupid and I hate it.) They couldn't believe it. They said that in Germany, very few people have guns. The sort of thing they experienced here would never happen in their country, not even in their forests- except for a few places where hunting is allowed.

The horrible truth is that America is a violent people, a violent nation.

I don't know...I think people in general have the propensity to be incredibly aggressive and physical.

Again, I don't know. If Americans are a melange of a continuing influx of cultures, aren't those cultures themselves also violent? Not necessarily in the same way, but there are many means to carry out those urges.

People will always find a way to do something violent.

For example, England has around 40 gun deaths a year, but they have a high crime rate. People still find ways to be violent.

I love guns, plan to buy one, but if there was a magical button that made all guns in America disappear, I'd press it. I rather let everyone have knifes than have guns because at least you can't put down 100 people in a minute with one knife, especially if everyone has a knife. If everyone had a gun, sure people would be afraid, but with the element of surprise you can shoot down many people (plus you can kill from a distance). Element of surprise with a knife you will stab a few, but it will be noticeable after a few kills, unless you are a ninja or night. (I am thinking way into this...I just hope ya'll got my point.)

lcusick

I think we need to look at our whole society today in the USA. I can only speak for the US because I have never lived anywhere else. We have so many problems that feed into all of this anger and hate. My opinion is: part of the problem is the decay of the family unit. In the days my parents grew up- divorce was never heard of. Not only that, but the extended family usually lived in the same neighborhoods. My mom tells the story of how if she was walking home from school with a boy, her mother knew it before she even got home. Because other relatives saw her and would call my Grandmother. Also, when situations occurred they took care of each other, their children, aunts, uncles etc. There was always support from a loving family member. Some people have absolutely no support systems, no family, no friends etc. A situation happens and so much anger builds up and they cannot deal with it in a civil manner. There is also so much violence all around us. Here is a true story that happened to me today. I have taught special education for 29 years. My school is an alternative school for children with serious emotional disturbances. As the students were getting on the buses today. The social worker asked this little boy (9 years old). What do you want to be when you grow up. He thought for a while and then replied," A serial killer." We are all like, "WHAT??" He said, "Yes, everyone who has ever made me angry, in my past, and in my future, I am going to kill." Seriously, did that come out of this kid's mouth?? He is not one of my students, but I went and told his teacher because clearly, his mom needs to know this!!!! Our children are growing up with so much violence, that they think this is how you solve problems. I don't know what the answer is?

PJ_Soul

lcusick wrote:

I think we need to look at our whole society today in the USA. I can only speak for the US because I have never lived anywhere else. We have so many problems that feed into all of this anger and hate. My opinion is: part of the problem is the decay of the family unit. In the days my parents grew up- divorce was never heard of. Not only that, but the extended family usually lived in the same neighborhoods. My mom tells the story of how if she was walking home from school with a boy, her mother knew it before she even got home. Because other relatives saw her and would call my Grandmother. Also, when situations occurred they took care of each other, their children, aunts, uncles etc. There was always support from a loving family member. Some people have absolutely no support systems, no family, no friends etc. A situation happens and so much anger builds up and they cannot deal with it in a civil manner. There is also so much violence all around us. Here is a true story that happened to me today. I have taught special education for 29 years. My school is an alternative school for children with serious emotional disturbances. As the students were getting on the buses today. The social worker asked this little boy (9 years old). What do you want to be when you grow up. He thought for a while and then replied," A serial killer." We are all like, "WHAT??" He said, "Yes, everyone who has ever made me angry, in my past, and in my future, I am going to kill." Seriously, did that come out of this kid's mouth?? He is not one of my students, but I went and told his teacher because clearly, his mom needs to know this!!!! Our children are growing up with so much violence, that they think this is how you solve problems. I don't know what the answer is?

:? .... I hope the police have a close connection with the school you work at. You know, just in case. I'm not so sure anyone should be using the comments of "seriously emotionally disturbed" children as an example of what society is becoming though. Still, I understand what you are saying.

lcusick

PJ_Soul wrote:

lcusick wrote:

I think we need to look at our whole society today in the USA. I can only speak for the US because I have never lived anywhere else. We have so many problems that feed into all of this anger and hate. My opinion is: part of the problem is the decay of the family unit. In the days my parents grew up- divorce was never heard of. Not only that, but the extended family usually lived in the same neighborhoods. My mom tells the story of how if she was walking home from school with a boy, her mother knew it before she even got home. Because other relatives saw her and would call my Grandmother. Also, when situations occurred they took care of each other, their children, aunts, uncles etc. There was always support from a loving family member. Some people have absolutely no support systems, no family, no friends etc. A situation happens and so much anger builds up and they cannot deal with it in a civil manner. There is also so much violence all around us. Here is a true story that happened to me today. I have taught special education for 29 years. My school is an alternative school for children with serious emotional disturbances. As the students were getting on the buses today. The social worker asked this little boy (9 years old). What do you want to be when you grow up. He thought for a while and then replied," A serial killer." We are all like, "WHAT??" He said, "Yes, everyone who has ever made me angry, in my past, and in my future, I am going to kill." Seriously, did that come out of this kid's mouth?? He is not one of my students, but I went and told his teacher because clearly, his mom needs to know this!!!! Our children are growing up with so much violence, that they think this is how you solve problems. I don't know what the answer is?

:? .... I hope the police have a close connection with the school you work at. You know, just in case. I'm not so sure anyone should be using the comments of "seriously emotionally disturbed" children as an example of what society is becoming though. Still, I understand what you are saying.

In Ohio- the "label" for the type of students that I teach is SED- which stands for serioulsy emotionally disturbed. They have behavior problems and some with severe mental illness. That is just how they are classifed. And yes, we have a police officer at our school at all times and unfortunately connections with the whole police force in the community where our school is located. But the real issue is: when I was 9, I do not even think I knew what a serial killer was. That is how much BS kids are exposed to today.

lcusick

PJ_Soul wrote:

lcusick wrote:

I think we need to look at our whole society today in the USA. I can only speak for the US because I have never lived anywhere else. We have so many problems that feed into all of this anger and hate. My opinion is: part of the problem is the decay of the family unit. In the days my parents grew up- divorce was never heard of. Not only that, but the extended family usually lived in the same neighborhoods. My mom tells the story of how if she was walking home from school with a boy, her mother knew it before she even got home. Because other relatives saw her and would call my Grandmother. Also, when situations occurred they took care of each other, their children, aunts, uncles etc. There was always support from a loving family member. Some people have absolutely no support systems, no family, no friends etc. A situation happens and so much anger builds up and they cannot deal with it in a civil manner. There is also so much violence all around us. Here is a true story that happened to me today. I have taught special education for 29 years. My school is an alternative school for children with serious emotional disturbances. As the students were getting on the buses today. The social worker asked this little boy (9 years old). What do you want to be when you grow up. He thought for a while and then replied," A serial killer." We are all like, "WHAT??" He said, "Yes, everyone who has ever made me angry, in my past, and in my future, I am going to kill." Seriously, did that come out of this kid's mouth?? He is not one of my students, but I went and told his teacher because clearly, his mom needs to know this!!!! Our children are growing up with so much violence, that they think this is how you solve problems. I don't know what the answer is?

:? .... I hope the police have a close connection with the school you work at. You know, just in case. I'm not so sure anyone should be using the comments of "seriously emotionally disturbed" children as an example of what society is becoming though. Still, I understand what you are saying.

In Ohio- the "label" for the type of students that I teach is SED- which stands for serioulsy emotionally disturbed. They have behavior problems and some with severe mental illness. That is just how they are classifed. And yes, we have a police officer at our school at all times and unfortunately connections with the whole police force in the community where our school is located. But the real issue is: when I was 9, I do not even think I knew what a serial killer was. That is how much BS kids are exposed to today.

PJ_Soul

lcusick wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

lcusick wrote:

I think we need to look at our whole society today in the USA. I can only speak for the US because I have never lived anywhere else. We have so many problems that feed into all of this anger and hate. My opinion is: part of the problem is the decay of the family unit. In the days my parents grew up- divorce was never heard of. Not only that, but the extended family usually lived in the same neighborhoods. My mom tells the story of how if she was walking home from school with a boy, her mother knew it before she even got home. Because other relatives saw her and would call my Grandmother. Also, when situations occurred they took care of each other, their children, aunts, uncles etc. There was always support from a loving family member. Some people have absolutely no support systems, no family, no friends etc. A situation happens and so much anger builds up and they cannot deal with it in a civil manner. There is also so much violence all around us. Here is a true story that happened to me today. I have taught special education for 29 years. My school is an alternative school for children with serious emotional disturbances. As the students were getting on the buses today. The social worker asked this little boy (9 years old). What do you want to be when you grow up. He thought for a while and then replied," A serial killer." We are all like, "WHAT??" He said, "Yes, everyone who has ever made me angry, in my past, and in my future, I am going to kill." Seriously, did that come out of this kid's mouth?? He is not one of my students, but I went and told his teacher because clearly, his mom needs to know this!!!! Our children are growing up with so much violence, that they think this is how you solve problems. I don't know what the answer is?

:? .... I hope the police have a close connection with the school you work at. You know, just in case. I'm not so sure anyone should be using the comments of "seriously emotionally disturbed" children as an example of what society is becoming though. Still, I understand what you are saying.

In Ohio- the "label" for the type of students that I teach is SED- which stands for serioulsy emotionally disturbed. They have behavior problems and some with severe mental illness. That is just how they are classifed. And yes, we have a police officer at our school at all times and unfortunately connections with the whole police force in the community where our school is located. But the real issue is: when I was 9, I do not even think I knew what a serial killer was. That is how much BS kids are exposed to today.

Well that's good.
I knew very well what a serial killer was at that age. I lived right where Clifford Olson committed his crimes. I was 5, and we all knew exactly what the deal was. They taught it in all classes, including Kindergarten. But it wasn't just that... I mean, at 9 I watched the news with my parents and stuff (and literally had no censorship in my household as far as movies and TV went either - it was the 80s and I guess my parents were liberal that way). I think 9 year olds know a lot, or are at least capable of knowing a lot and handling it, and most of them are just fine with that knowledge. I know I was. I don't think kids finding out about such things has anything to do with their behaviour later in life unless there is something seriously wrong with them anyway, and if that's the case, I doubt it would make much difference either way.

lcusick

I see what you are saying PJ Soul. I grew up in the sixties and life really was different and I really did not know about serial killers. I just see in general so much more aggression and violence. Like waiting in line at the grocery store and people so impatient and literally so annoyed over simple things. People interact with a lack of courtesy and rudeness. I just think the lack of support people have today has to do with the escalation in anger and aggressiveness.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. A kid I grew up with was obsessed with Jason Vorhees and Nightmare on Elm Street.

He made up a poem using the "Libby's Zoodles" and renamed it "Libby's Brutles". you know where it says "tell all your friends, tell a whole bunch, hey, I just ate a hippopotamus for lunch"? He redid that with the lines "kill all your friends, kill the whole bunch, look, I just ate Jimmy for lunch!".

This was grade 5 I believe.

aerial

lcusick wrote:

I see what you are saying PJ Soul. I grew up in the sixties and life really was different and I really did not know about serial killers. I just see in general so much more aggression and violence. Like waiting in line at the grocery store and people so impatient and literally so annoyed over simple things. People interact with a lack of courtesy and rudeness. I just think the lack of support people have today has to do with the escalation in anger and aggressiveness.

I agree. It's so simple its hard to see.....We now have parents worried about giving their kids everything except more time and attention. Then you have homes with single parents who have to work leaving them less time to parent. When many grandparents these days work themselves or who have the "I raised mine so you raise yours" mentality no help from them.....most of the time this comes from families that have step parents. The stepparent is not as emotionally connected with the kids so can justify this attitude....
Disclaimer: I am not saying all parents or all stepparents.

I work in a grocery store and see it all the time.....Cell phones are another social problem....checking out or placing an order ...blocking aisles not paying attention that people are trying to get around you, while having a conversation on the phone....then you have people with no manners and kids with no manners....children telling there parents what to do...no discipline. Very sad!

even flow - question mark

WHAT NO TWEETS FROM ANY YANKS SAYING THAT, "IF THERE WAS NO SLAVERY, THAT THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED"?

PJ_Soul

even flow - question mark wrote:

WHAT NO TWEETS FROM ANY YANKS SAYING THAT, "IF THERE WAS NO SLAVERY, THAT THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED"?

Well..... it probably wouldn't have, since it's likely that the guy's ancestor's (who were likely brought over as slaves) probably wouldn't have ended up in America in the first place, and this guy probably wouldn't have been born. I don't know his actual family history or anything (maybe he's only 2nd generation American or something, I don't know), but it's not a totally unreasonable assumption.

goingtoverona

so what was the final word here? the guy used a shotgun? nobody tell joe biden. maybe we can try to ban shotguns with the idea that an assault rifle can do everything a shotgun can, so we don't need shotguns.

PJPOWER

goingtoverona wrote:

so what was the final word here? the guy used a shotgun? nobody tell joe biden. maybe we can try to ban shotguns with the idea that an assault rifle can do everything a shotgun can, so we don't need shotguns.

So maybe now he should tell his wife to go outside and fire two stones in the air from a slingshot if a burglar is in the house

aerial

Marines 'had weapons... but no ammunition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7xQQ6m7Vzo

It's just make sense that are military should be armed. :fp:

Bentleyspop

aerial wrote:

Marines 'had weapons... but no ammunition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7xQQ6m7Vzo

It's just make sense that are military should be armed. :fp:

Well there you have it
The definitive and official explanation as to what happened
Thanks for clearing that up for us
Now I have to get back to building my end of days fallout shelter


:fp:

even flow - question mark

aerial wrote:

Those that feel less guns mean less crime, would you put a sign in front of your home stating.... this is a
"Gun Free Home"?

I don't think you could imagine living in a country where you can have legal guns, crime isn't rampent and nobody breaks into houses, that don't have a sign reading: "gun free home".

Most houses in Canada and probably the world are "gun free homes", no need for a sign.

Must suck to live in a country where paranoia runs the day, eh!