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edited October 2013 in A Moving Train
http://liveblog.wtop.com/Event/Navy_Yard_Shooting

12 victims..8 confirmed dead.. :(
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  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    edited September 2013
    I hear that there might be two shooters. Crazy.

    But I heard there are only 4 dead, not 8.

    Update: Now I see at least 6 dead.
    Post edited by Guitar92player on
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Mayor's press conference about to start.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Per PD, potentially two other shooters still on the loose. We learned in Boston that these reports are often incorrect but that is what is being reported.
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  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    JimmyV wrote:
    Per PD, potentially two other shooters still on the loose. We learned in Boston that these reports are often incorrect but that is what is being reported.

    Just heard that one of the possible remaining suspects is white and the other is african-american.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    3...2...1...shooter used "AR15 style assault weapon with high capacity 'clips' and was dressed in all black".


    Actually on edit that would be impossible since DC has "these weapons of war" banned from common-folk peasant ownership.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    should have armed everyone in the building...

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  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    unsung wrote:
    3...2...1...shooter used "AR15 style assault weapon with high capacity 'clips' and was dressed in all black".


    Actually on edit that would be impossible since DC has "these weapons of war" banned from common-folk peasant ownership.

    Well, they are weapons of war. No denying that.

    And the current laws suck to where these guns can still be bought in one way or another. Most likely they were bought illegally, and that shows that there is a lot more to be done to end these illegal purchases.
    ~Carter~

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    or you can come to terms and realize
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    And we know no facts yet, they can't even figure out how many shooters there are or if they are still active. Yet, the government has released the information that this has no terrorist ties.

    Things that make you go hmmm.
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
    How horrible!
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    WTOP local DC news radio, reported the shooter was a 50 year old retired navy chief petty officer. They mentioned the name but I cannot remember it.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Dirtie_Frank wrote:
    WTOP local DC news radio, reported the shooter was a 50 year old retired navy chief petty officer. They mentioned the name but I cannot remember it.

    I believe that report has since been retracted.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    unsung wrote:
    And we know no facts yet, they can't even figure out how many shooters there are or if they are still active. Yet, the government has released the information that this has no terrorist ties.

    Things that make you go hmmm.
    I haven't seen the non-terrorist thing, but it did strike me as strange that the President has already commented with so little information released thus far.

    Regardless, very sad for those whose lives were lost, and their families.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    http://www.google.com/gwt/x?u=http://da ... oCg&wsc=bf

    Subject not in custody... No known connections to terrorism.
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    JimmyV wrote:
    Dirtie_Frank wrote:
    WTOP local DC news radio, reported the shooter was a 50 year old retired navy chief petty officer. They mentioned the name but I cannot remember it.

    I believe that report has since been retracted.

    Yes it has sorry
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    09 Phillie III
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    Guitar92player wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    3...2...1...shooter used "AR15 style assault weapon with high capacity 'clips' and was dressed in all black".


    Actually on edit that would be impossible since DC has "these weapons of war" banned from common-folk peasant ownership.

    Well, they are weapons of war. No denying that.

    And the current laws suck to where these guns can still be bought in one way or another. Most likely they were bought illegally, and that shows that there is a lot more to be done to end these illegal purchases.
    Oh god, here we go again, making all kinds of completely unfounded assumptions and starting a debate when there is still nothing whatsoever to base any of your arguments on. :roll:
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    this is the result of someone choosing violence as his solution to his problem ... someone who let his anger and hate drive his decision ...

    the gun law debate is a distraction from what ultimately is the issue ... do we choose violence as our means of fixing our problems or not ... a peaceful society can have no gun laws whatsoever and we wouldn't see this stuff ...
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    polaris_x wrote:
    this is the result of someone choosing violence as his solution to his problem ... someone who let his anger and hate drive his decision ...

    the gun law debate is a distraction from what ultimately is the issue ... do we choose violence as our means of fixing our problems or not ... a peaceful society can have no gun laws whatsoever and we wouldn't see this stuff ...

    I understand the point you are making, but I think the two issues are inextricably linked - the sheer availability of guns must play some role. Perhaps in a country where guns were far more difficult to obtain, that anger and hate would be manifested in a different way - not necessarily in a positive way, but maybe something that doesn't make it so easy to kill multiple people in such a short space of time.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    ....Bill Cosby is correct.

    "very strong statistical link between fatherlessness and gun homicides"
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    polaris_x wrote:
    this is the result of someone choosing violence as his solution to his problem ... someone who let his anger and hate drive his decision ...
    the gun law debate is a distraction from what ultimately is the issue ... do we choose violence as our means of fixing our problems or not ... a peaceful society can have no gun laws whatsoever and we wouldn't see this stuff ...
    a little more than violence & anger. mentally unstable i'd say as well as living in some kind of skewed fantasy. a twisted mind & soul come undone

    someone need not be angry to committ murders, mass shootings & whatnot. they are nutjobs
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    facepollution wrote:
    I understand the point you are making, but I think the two issues are inextricably linked - the sheer availability of guns must play some role. Perhaps in a country where guns were far more difficult to obtain, that anger and hate would be manifested in a different way - not necessarily in a positive way, but maybe something that doesn't make it so easy to kill multiple people in such a short space of time.

    i am in favour of gun laws ... i think the NRA is made up of people who are completely out of touch ... but the national debate on guns will not address these events ... like so many other issues - they have been politicized to the point that ultimately the points being argued have very little relevance ...

    you can have all the laws you want but it wouldn't have changed what happened today ... nor so many other tragedies ...

    when your first response to perceived injustice is violence ... this is the result ...

    look at 9/11 ... immediate after ... people wanted blood ... and they got blood ... and guess what - no matter how many "top level" al qaeda people gets killed in drone strikes ... there are more and more "terrorists" willing to do harm to american interests ... instead of asking ourselves what would possess people to fly a plane into an office building - we did what we always do ... kill ... and respond in kind ... well, the circle will just keep looping ... and the ultimate tragedy in all of that - is there are people who profit off that and that makes them happy ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    chadwick wrote:
    a little more than violence & anger. mentally unstable i'd say as well as living in some kind of skewed fantasy. a twisted mind & soul come undone

    someone need not be angry to committ murders, mass shootings & whatnot. they are nutjobs

    why don't mentally unstable people in peaceful countries act out like this? ... you say they are nutjobs and question why they would want to kill people ... yet, i wonder the same for people who think it's ok to put a pervert in the hospital ... they are obviously not the same level of action but at the heart of it - it's still the same ... violence is not a solution ...

    please no need to post links to mass murders in other countries ... sure, they happen but clearly not at the absurd rate it does in the US ...
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Oh god, here we go again, making all kinds of completely unfounded assumptions and starting a debate when there is still nothing whatsoever to base any of your arguments on. :roll:

    Yep. I think we'd all do well to wait and learn what actually happened first before we start figuring out ways to use today's tragedies as tools to further our political agendas.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    At least 12 fatalities being reported now (so they say).
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    polaris_x wrote:
    i am in favour of gun laws ... i think the NRA is made up of people who are completely out of touch ... but the national debate on guns will not address these events ... like so many other issues - they have been politicized to the point that ultimately the points being argued have very little relevance ...

    you can have all the laws you want but it wouldn't have changed what happened today ... nor so many other tragedies ...

    when your first response to perceived injustice is violence ... this is the result ...

    look at 9/11 ... immediate after ... people wanted blood ... and they got blood ... and guess what - no matter how many "top level" al qaeda people gets killed in drone strikes ... there are more and more "terrorists" willing to do harm to american interests ... instead of asking ourselves what would possess people to fly a plane into an office building - we did what we always do ... kill ... and respond in kind ... well, the circle will just keep looping ... and the ultimate tragedy in all of that - is there are people who profit off that and that makes them happy ...

    I can't argue with any of that, I think there are all kinds of issues at play in these kinds of crimes; from the personal circumstances involved right through to national identity. In terms of gun availability though, it has become a bit of a chicken or the egg situation - if Americans didn't have the free access to guns in the first place, the very option of commiting these kinds of crimes would probably never have occurred, and thus it wouldn't have become such a major part of the culture.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    facepollution wrote:
    I can't argue with any of that, I think there are all kinds of issues at play in these kinds of crimes; from the personal circumstances involved right through to national identity. In terms of gun availability though, it has become a bit of a chicken or the egg situation - if Americans didn't have the free access to guns in the first place, the very option of commiting these kinds of crimes would probably never have occurred, and thus it wouldn't have become such a major part of the culture.

    it's possible although I think it's more closely tied to it's history ... the american revolution and civil war being two significant events ...
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    polaris_x wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    a little more than violence & anger. mentally unstable i'd say as well as living in some kind of skewed fantasy. a twisted mind & soul come undone

    someone need not be angry to committ murders, mass shootings & whatnot. they are nutjobs

    why don't mentally unstable people in peaceful countries act out like this? ... .

    Lack of access to guns? I'm not being flippant, but we all have plenty of unhinged individuals in our societies. Here in the UK the most common weapon of choice is a knife/sharp object - obviously it's a lot harder to commit a massacre with such a weapon, and so perhaps our killers direct their urges on one victim rather than multiple.
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    polaris_x wrote:
    facepollution wrote:
    I can't argue with any of that, I think there are all kinds of issues at play in these kinds of crimes; from the personal circumstances involved right through to national identity. In terms of gun availability though, it has become a bit of a chicken or the egg situation - if Americans didn't have the free access to guns in the first place, the very option of commiting these kinds of crimes would probably never have occurred, and thus it wouldn't have become such a major part of the culture.

    it's possible although I think it's more closely tied to it's history ... the american revolution and civil war being two significant events ...

    Perhaps, but then we've had a pretty bloody history here in the UK too(!) and we don't suffere these events to anywhere near the same extent.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    facepollution wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    facepollution wrote:
    I can't argue with any of that, I think there are all kinds of issues at play in these kinds of crimes; from the personal circumstances involved right through to national identity. In terms of gun availability though, it has become a bit of a chicken or the egg situation - if Americans didn't have the free access to guns in the first place, the very option of commiting these kinds of crimes would probably never have occurred, and thus it wouldn't have become such a major part of the culture.

    it's possible although I think it's more closely tied to it's history ... the american revolution and civil war being two significant events ...

    Perhaps, but then we've had a pretty bloody history here in the UK too(!) and we don't suffere these events to anywhere near the same extent.
    Yeah, I'd say it's directly related to easier access to guns in the US.
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  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    hedonist wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    And we know no facts yet, they can't even figure out how many shooters there are or if they are still active. Yet, the government has released the information that this has no terrorist ties.

    Things that make you go hmmm.
    I haven't seen the non-terrorist thing, but it did strike me as strange that the President has already commented with so little information released thus far.

    Regardless, very sad for those whose lives were lost, and their families.

    He probably says it right away to ease people. He is just stating that at the moment it is not terrorist related, because since 9/11 all major events like this people assume terrorism.
    ~Carter~

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    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    edited September 2013
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    3...2...1...shooter used "AR15 style assault weapon with high capacity 'clips' and was dressed in all black".


    Actually on edit that would be impossible since DC has "these weapons of war" banned from common-folk peasant ownership.

    Well, they are weapons of war. No denying that.

    And the current laws suck to where these guns can still be bought in one way or another. Most likely they were bought illegally, and that shows that there is a lot more to be done to end these illegal purchases.
    Oh god, here we go again, making all kinds of completely unfounded assumptions and starting a debate when there is still nothing whatsoever to base any of your arguments on. :roll:



    All I said is that people are buying guns illegally, like through gangs or gun shows, and then use them. That is a major thing police and the gov't need to work on. I am not trying to start anything. Unsung made a comment that such guns shouldn't be in DC and I replied how they possibly have them.

    Yeah I made an assumption that the shooters from today had guns like that, sorrrrrrrry. You are the one making this a big deal.
    Post edited by Guitar92player on
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    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
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