You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Perhaps, but then we've had a pretty bloody history here in the UK too(!) and we don't suffere these events to anywhere near the same extent.
i don't think you've had a civil war like they did ... 650,000 dead ...
I don't understand how you figure the civil war has anything to do with it ... Yeah, I understand the whole theory of cultural memory and everything, but that doesn't seem meaningful when you're talking about guys going into a building rambo style and mowing down innocent people as they sit at their desks or eat their brown bag lunches. First person shooter video games is probably a more likely reason for it, and I don't even really go for that reason either. The civil war might have some connection to why there are so many gun nuts in the US, but I can't really understand its connection to people going bananas and going on a shooting rampage.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
First person shooter video games is probably a more likely reason for it, and I don't even really go for that reason either. The civil war might have some connection to why there are so many gun nuts in the US, but I can't really understand its connection to people going bananas and going on a shooting rampage.
Your assumptions here are no different than mine. Just sayin...
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
OMG I said the exact same thing when I heard that!
But yeah, I would hate to be in that area right now. A possible guy can still be running around.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
i say, if you are gonna go bananas, blow your own fucking head off. don't take a dozen people with you before you do it.
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~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
First person shooter video games is probably a more likely reason for it, and I don't even really go for that reason either. The civil war might have some connection to why there are so many gun nuts in the US, but I can't really understand its connection to people going bananas and going on a shooting rampage.
Your assumptions here are no different than mine. Just sayin...
What assumptions? I haven't made any assumptions about this particular situation, have I? Anyway, I really seem to have rubbed you the wrong way, eh? Well, sorry I guess.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
First person shooter video games is probably a more likely reason for it, and I don't even really go for that reason either. The civil war might have some connection to why there are so many gun nuts in the US, but I can't really understand its connection to people going bananas and going on a shooting rampage.
Your assumptions here are no different than mine. Just sayin...
What assumptions? I haven't made any assumptions about this particular situation, have I? Anyway, I really seem to have rubbed you the wrong way, eh? Well, sorry I guess.
Well, when someone says you are assuming stuff it kind of does seem like an attack in some way.
I am just simply saying that you saying the stuff you said has no facts like mine do not. (the civil war statement but i am mainly suggesting the video game comment). What you said are just educated guesses like mine.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
i say, if you are gonna go bananas, blow your own fucking head off. don't take a dozen people with you before you do it.
Agreed. I am pro-suicide in these cases... Anyway, not that I have any info, but my first guesses are that this is either politically motivated in some way (attacking the government/military is pretty meaningful, obviously), or it's a really crazy staff member or military personnel who went postal.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Your assumptions here are no different than mine. Just sayin...
What assumptions? I haven't made any assumptions about this particular situation, have I? Anyway, I really seem to have rubbed you the wrong way, eh? Well, sorry I guess.
Well, when someone says you are assuming stuff it kind of does seem like an attack in some way.
I am just simply saying that you saying the stuff you said has no facts like mine do not. (the civil war statement but i am mainly suggesting the video game comment). What you said are just educated guesses like mine.
I was really just speaking generally. A bunch of people always start up the gun debate by making assumptions about the shooter in a mass attack... i.e. someone said the guns are probably illegal, etc...
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Anyway, not that I have any info, but my first guesses are that this is either politically motivated in some way (attacking the government/military is pretty meaningful, obviously), or it's a really crazy staff member or military personnel who went postal.
I agree.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
a little more than violence & anger. mentally unstable i'd say as well as living in some kind of skewed fantasy. a twisted mind & soul come undone
someone need not be angry to committ murders, mass shootings & whatnot. they are nutjobs
why don't mentally unstable people in peaceful countries act out like this? ... you say they are nutjobs and question why they would want to kill people ... yet, i wonder the same for people who think it's ok to put a pervert in the hospital ... they are obviously not the same level of action but at the heart of it - it's still the same ... violence is not a solution ...
please no need to post links to mass murders in other countries ... sure, they happen but clearly not at the absurd rate it does in the US ...
please & thank you for letting me know what i was not even thinking of doing.
a little more than violence & anger. mentally unstable i'd say as well as living in some kind of skewed fantasy. a twisted mind & soul come undone
someone need not be angry to committ murders, mass shootings & whatnot. they are nutjobs
why don't mentally unstable people in peaceful countries act out like this? ... you say they are nutjobs and question why they would want to kill people ... yet, i wonder the same for people who think it's ok to put a pervert in the hospital ... they are obviously not the same level of action but at the heart of it - it's still the same ... violence is not a solution ...
please no need to post links to mass murders in other countries ... sure, they happen but clearly not at the absurd rate it does in the US ...
please & thank you for letting me know what i was not even thinking of doing.
Oh, Chadwick. You're funny. :P
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I was really just speaking generally. A bunch of people always start up the gun debate by making assumptions about the shooter in a mass attack... i.e. someone said the guns are probably illegal, etc...
I understand.
The reason I said what I did was to answer Unsung's post about how there was an AR15 used despite the many gun laws in DC (which I assume is an attack on gun laws and what not). I just said that to explain that the laws and strategies now are not great to answer the real problem.
It was not my intention to stir a debate, but on here I guess its easier than I thought.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I was really just speaking generally. A bunch of people always start up the gun debate by making assumptions about the shooter in a mass attack... i.e. someone said the guns are probably illegal, etc...
I understand.
The reason I said what I did was to answer Unsung's post about how there was an AR15 used despite the many gun laws in DC (which I assume is an attack on gun laws and what not). I just said that to explain that the laws and strategies now are not great to answer the real problem.
It was not my intention to stir a debate, but on here I guess its easier than I thought.
You can just sneeze or scratch your head and start a debate on the AMT.
Where did this AR15 talk start?? I haven't heard anything about the specific weapon used... I think that was another assumption on unsung's part.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Where did this AR15 talk start?? I haven't heard anything about the specific weapon used... I think that was another assumption on unsung's part.
It has been reported. Pete Williams at NBC reported three guns were found on the deceased shooter: an AR 15, a shotgun and a handgun.
Ah, okay. I never saw that. Sorry unsung. I don't know about these weapons laws in DC, but if this is actually military personnel, wouldn't it change things somehow as far as that goes??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Perhaps, but then we've had a pretty bloody history here in the UK too(!) and we don't suffere these events to anywhere near the same extent.
i don't think you've had a civil war like they did ... 650,000 dead ...
Well remember we are a much smaller country, so you would have to adjust the figures there for a start, and then you could throw in the fact that our country's history of violence extends just a little bit further back than America's, so if anything our lust for blood should be even greater.
.22 rifles & .22 handguns kill more people than any other gun. it is a small & fast round. a .22 rifle when fired can hit a target up to 1 mile away. everybody's grandma has a .22 rifle. heck, little johnny has one for target practice & squirrel hunting. the ammo is cheap & a blast to shoot.
I don't understand how you figure the civil war has anything to do with it ... Yeah, I understand the whole theory of cultural memory and everything, but that doesn't seem meaningful when you're talking about guys going into a building rambo style and mowing down innocent people as they sit at their desks or eat their brown bag lunches. First person shooter video games is probably a more likely reason for it, and I don't even really go for that reason either. The civil war might have some connection to why there are so many gun nuts in the US, but I can't really understand its connection to people going bananas and going on a shooting rampage.
because my position is that the choice to use violence as a solution to conflict has been ingrained in the culture for some time ... the civil war had 650,000 deaths ... the people at the time could not come to an agreement and instead thought it was better to kill their own people ... consider the second amendment ... already way back then - the notion of guns as a means of conflict resolution was established ...
this notion that violence as a means of conflict resolution does not materialize overnight ...
do you folks honestly think that if there were stricter gun controls - these massacres would stop?
I don't understand how you figure the civil war has anything to do with it ... Yeah, I understand the whole theory of cultural memory and everything, but that doesn't seem meaningful when you're talking about guys going into a building rambo style and mowing down innocent people as they sit at their desks or eat their brown bag lunches. First person shooter video games is probably a more likely reason for it, and I don't even really go for that reason either. The civil war might have some connection to why there are so many gun nuts in the US, but I can't really understand its connection to people going bananas and going on a shooting rampage.
because my position is that the choice to use violence as a solution to conflict has been ingrained in the culture for some time ... the civil war had 650,000 deaths ... the people at the time could not come to an agreement and instead thought it was better to kill their own people ... consider the second amendment ... already way back then - the notion of guns as a means of conflict resolution was established ...
this notion that violence as a means of conflict resolution does not materialize overnight ...
do you folks honestly think that if there were stricter gun controls - these massacres would stop?
There are plenty of places in the world were there has been an extreme history of war (both longer AND more recent histories) where people don't now go on shooting rampages on a fairly regular basis. Plus, I don't think most mass shootings are motivated by conflict resolution. They are usually just about revenge/punishment and/or the shooter going out in a blaze of "glory".
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There are plenty of places in the world were there has been an extreme history of war (both longer AND more recent histories) where people don't now go on shooting rampages on a fairly regular basis.
do you folks honestly think that if there were stricter gun controls - these massacres would stop?
Depends how strict, doesn't it? As strict as they are here in the UK, probably - access would be greatly reduced, maybe stabbings would go up though....
I think stricter gun control would play a part in reducing these types of crime - the saying you can't eat an elephant in one bite comes to mind. This issue needs tackling from many angles, gun control being just one of them.
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i don't think you've had a civil war like they did ... 650,000 dead ...
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Your assumptions here are no different than mine. Just sayin...
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
OMG I said the exact same thing when I heard that!
But yeah, I would hate to be in that area right now. A possible guy can still be running around.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
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You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Well, when someone says you are assuming stuff it kind of does seem like an attack in some way.
I am just simply saying that you saying the stuff you said has no facts like mine do not. (the civil war statement but i am mainly suggesting the video game comment). What you said are just educated guesses like mine.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I agree.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
please & thank you for letting me know what i was not even thinking of doing.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I understand.
The reason I said what I did was to answer Unsung's post about how there was an AR15 used despite the many gun laws in DC (which I assume is an attack on gun laws and what not). I just said that to explain that the laws and strategies now are not great to answer the real problem.
It was not my intention to stir a debate, but on here I guess its easier than I thought.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Where did this AR15 talk start?? I haven't heard anything about the specific weapon used... I think that was another assumption on unsung's part.
It has been reported. Pete Williams at NBC reported three guns were found on the deceased shooter: an AR 15, a shotgun and a handgun.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Well remember we are a much smaller country, so you would have to adjust the figures there for a start, and then you could throw in the fact that our country's history of violence extends just a little bit further back than America's, so if anything our lust for blood should be even greater.
just sayin
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
because my position is that the choice to use violence as a solution to conflict has been ingrained in the culture for some time ... the civil war had 650,000 deaths ... the people at the time could not come to an agreement and instead thought it was better to kill their own people ... consider the second amendment ... already way back then - the notion of guns as a means of conflict resolution was established ...
this notion that violence as a means of conflict resolution does not materialize overnight ...
do you folks honestly think that if there were stricter gun controls - these massacres would stop?
such as?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Depends how strict, doesn't it? As strict as they are here in the UK, probably - access would be greatly reduced, maybe stabbings would go up though....
I think stricter gun control would play a part in reducing these types of crime - the saying you can't eat an elephant in one bite comes to mind. This issue needs tackling from many angles, gun control being just one of them.
such is the case with all mass shootings.
all of em...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."