Navy Yard Shooting

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    chadwick wrote:
    a little more than violence & anger. mentally unstable i'd say as well as living in some kind of skewed fantasy. a twisted mind & soul come undone

    someone need not be angry to committ murders, mass shootings & whatnot. they are nutjobs

    why don't mentally unstable people in peaceful countries act out like this? ... you say they are nutjobs and question why they would want to kill people ... yet, i wonder the same for people who think it's ok to put a pervert in the hospital ... they are obviously not the same level of action but at the heart of it - it's still the same ... violence is not a solution ...

    please no need to post links to mass murders in other countries ... sure, they happen but clearly not at the absurd rate it does in the US ...
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Oh god, here we go again, making all kinds of completely unfounded assumptions and starting a debate when there is still nothing whatsoever to base any of your arguments on. :roll:

    Yep. I think we'd all do well to wait and learn what actually happened first before we start figuring out ways to use today's tragedies as tools to further our political agendas.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    At least 12 fatalities being reported now (so they say).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    polaris_x wrote:
    i am in favour of gun laws ... i think the NRA is made up of people who are completely out of touch ... but the national debate on guns will not address these events ... like so many other issues - they have been politicized to the point that ultimately the points being argued have very little relevance ...

    you can have all the laws you want but it wouldn't have changed what happened today ... nor so many other tragedies ...

    when your first response to perceived injustice is violence ... this is the result ...

    look at 9/11 ... immediate after ... people wanted blood ... and they got blood ... and guess what - no matter how many "top level" al qaeda people gets killed in drone strikes ... there are more and more "terrorists" willing to do harm to american interests ... instead of asking ourselves what would possess people to fly a plane into an office building - we did what we always do ... kill ... and respond in kind ... well, the circle will just keep looping ... and the ultimate tragedy in all of that - is there are people who profit off that and that makes them happy ...

    I can't argue with any of that, I think there are all kinds of issues at play in these kinds of crimes; from the personal circumstances involved right through to national identity. In terms of gun availability though, it has become a bit of a chicken or the egg situation - if Americans didn't have the free access to guns in the first place, the very option of commiting these kinds of crimes would probably never have occurred, and thus it wouldn't have become such a major part of the culture.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    facepollution wrote:
    I can't argue with any of that, I think there are all kinds of issues at play in these kinds of crimes; from the personal circumstances involved right through to national identity. In terms of gun availability though, it has become a bit of a chicken or the egg situation - if Americans didn't have the free access to guns in the first place, the very option of commiting these kinds of crimes would probably never have occurred, and thus it wouldn't have become such a major part of the culture.

    it's possible although I think it's more closely tied to it's history ... the american revolution and civil war being two significant events ...
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    polaris_x wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    a little more than violence & anger. mentally unstable i'd say as well as living in some kind of skewed fantasy. a twisted mind & soul come undone

    someone need not be angry to committ murders, mass shootings & whatnot. they are nutjobs

    why don't mentally unstable people in peaceful countries act out like this? ... .

    Lack of access to guns? I'm not being flippant, but we all have plenty of unhinged individuals in our societies. Here in the UK the most common weapon of choice is a knife/sharp object - obviously it's a lot harder to commit a massacre with such a weapon, and so perhaps our killers direct their urges on one victim rather than multiple.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    polaris_x wrote:
    facepollution wrote:
    I can't argue with any of that, I think there are all kinds of issues at play in these kinds of crimes; from the personal circumstances involved right through to national identity. In terms of gun availability though, it has become a bit of a chicken or the egg situation - if Americans didn't have the free access to guns in the first place, the very option of commiting these kinds of crimes would probably never have occurred, and thus it wouldn't have become such a major part of the culture.

    it's possible although I think it's more closely tied to it's history ... the american revolution and civil war being two significant events ...

    Perhaps, but then we've had a pretty bloody history here in the UK too(!) and we don't suffere these events to anywhere near the same extent.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    facepollution wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    facepollution wrote:
    I can't argue with any of that, I think there are all kinds of issues at play in these kinds of crimes; from the personal circumstances involved right through to national identity. In terms of gun availability though, it has become a bit of a chicken or the egg situation - if Americans didn't have the free access to guns in the first place, the very option of commiting these kinds of crimes would probably never have occurred, and thus it wouldn't have become such a major part of the culture.

    it's possible although I think it's more closely tied to it's history ... the american revolution and civil war being two significant events ...

    Perhaps, but then we've had a pretty bloody history here in the UK too(!) and we don't suffere these events to anywhere near the same extent.
    Yeah, I'd say it's directly related to easier access to guns in the US.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    hedonist wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    And we know no facts yet, they can't even figure out how many shooters there are or if they are still active. Yet, the government has released the information that this has no terrorist ties.

    Things that make you go hmmm.
    I haven't seen the non-terrorist thing, but it did strike me as strange that the President has already commented with so little information released thus far.

    Regardless, very sad for those whose lives were lost, and their families.

    He probably says it right away to ease people. He is just stating that at the moment it is not terrorist related, because since 9/11 all major events like this people assume terrorism.
    ~Carter~

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    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
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  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    edited September 2013
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    3...2...1...shooter used "AR15 style assault weapon with high capacity 'clips' and was dressed in all black".


    Actually on edit that would be impossible since DC has "these weapons of war" banned from common-folk peasant ownership.

    Well, they are weapons of war. No denying that.

    And the current laws suck to where these guns can still be bought in one way or another. Most likely they were bought illegally, and that shows that there is a lot more to be done to end these illegal purchases.
    Oh god, here we go again, making all kinds of completely unfounded assumptions and starting a debate when there is still nothing whatsoever to base any of your arguments on. :roll:



    All I said is that people are buying guns illegally, like through gangs or gun shows, and then use them. That is a major thing police and the gov't need to work on. I am not trying to start anything. Unsung made a comment that such guns shouldn't be in DC and I replied how they possibly have them.

    Yeah I made an assumption that the shooters from today had guns like that, sorrrrrrrry. You are the one making this a big deal.
    Post edited by Guitar92player on
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Unbelievable. The purge is sounding more and more like a plausible idea.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    facepollution wrote:
    Perhaps, but then we've had a pretty bloody history here in the UK too(!) and we don't suffere these events to anywhere near the same extent.

    i don't think you've had a civil war like they did ... 650,000 dead ...
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    One of the two suspects are cleared.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    edited September 2013
    polaris_x wrote:
    facepollution wrote:
    Perhaps, but then we've had a pretty bloody history here in the UK too(!) and we don't suffere these events to anywhere near the same extent.

    i don't think you've had a civil war like they did ... 650,000 dead ...
    I don't understand how you figure the civil war has anything to do with it ... Yeah, I understand the whole theory of cultural memory and everything, but that doesn't seem meaningful when you're talking about guys going into a building rambo style and mowing down innocent people as they sit at their desks or eat their brown bag lunches. First person shooter video games is probably a more likely reason for it, and I don't even really go for that reason either. The civil war might have some connection to why there are so many gun nuts in the US, but I can't really understand its connection to people going bananas and going on a shooting rampage.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    What in the fuck? The Civil War is responsible (or has anything to do) for a guy walking into a Navy Yard and shooting it up? A war 150 years ago?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    i say, if you are gonna go bananas, blow your own fucking head off. don't take a dozen people with you before you do it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    Guitar92player wrote:
    One of the two suspects are cleared.
    It's been a weird day for that guy I bet. :?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    First person shooter video games is probably a more likely reason for it, and I don't even really go for that reason either. The civil war might have some connection to why there are so many gun nuts in the US, but I can't really understand its connection to people going bananas and going on a shooting rampage.

    Your assumptions here are no different than mine. Just sayin...
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    One of the two suspects are cleared.
    It's been a weird day for that guy I bet. :?

    OMG I said the exact same thing when I heard that! :lol:

    But yeah, I would hate to be in that area right now. A possible guy can still be running around.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i say, if you are gonna go bananas, blow your own fucking head off. don't take a dozen people with you before you do it.

    This
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense

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