Depends how strict, doesn't it? As strict as they are here in the UK, probably - access would be greatly reduced, maybe stabbings would go up though....
I think stricter gun control would play a part in reducing these types of crime - the saying you can't eat an elephant in one bite comes to mind. This issue needs tackling from many angles, gun control being just one of them.
like i said before - i am in favour for stricter gun laws ... and deep down - i hope you are right ... but i don't see how this would change the fact that this person felt so much anger that he would do something like this ... once there - and the desire to kill - they will find a way to inflict the necessary damage ...
people are claiming outrage right now and asking for solutions, but come thursday when there is another football game everyone will forget about this.
such is the case with all mass shootings.
all of em...
For many in the US the solution will be more metal detectors along with MORE access to more guns.
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There are plenty of places in the world were there has been an extreme history of war (both longer AND more recent histories) where people don't now go on shooting rampages on a fairly regular basis.
such as?
France, Spain, Russia, Africa, China....
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like i said before - i am in favour for stricter gun laws ... and deep down - i hope you are right ... but i don't see how this would change the fact that this person felt so much anger that he would do something like this ... once there - and the desire to kill - they will find a way to inflict the necessary damage ...
Like I said before though, perhaps that anger would have been manifested in another way, or more concentrated on a specific individual rather than being able to take out this many people.
i say, if you are gonna go bananas, blow your own fucking head off. don't take a dozen people with you before you do it.
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Let's just keep this thread as the one for all mass shooting just edit the name of place & how many dead , instead of starting anew one everytime one of these massacres happen again cause we all know it will keep happening again & again & again & again & again & again & again ......for ever this will never stop
a little more than violence & anger. mentally unstable i'd say as well as living in some kind of skewed fantasy. a twisted mind & soul come undone
someone need not be angry to committ murders, mass shootings & whatnot. they are nutjobs
why don't mentally unstable people in peaceful countries act out like this? ... you say they are nutjobs and question why they would want to kill people ... yet, i wonder the same for people who think it's ok to put a pervert in the hospital ... they are obviously not the same level of action but at the heart of it - it's still the same ... violence is not a solution ...
please no need to post links to mass murders in other countries ... sure, they happen but clearly not at the absurd rate it does in the US ...
please & thank you for letting me know what i was not even thinking of doing.
Chadwick has no time for that, he's off for a swim!
3...2...1...shooter used "AR15 style assault weapon with high capacity 'clips' and was dressed in all black".
Actually on edit that would be impossible since DC has "these weapons of war" banned from common-folk peasant ownership.
You know, the best and most heartwarming part of this situation is that the armed guards were able to take this lunatic out before he went and killed 12 innocent people. Thank god for guns or this potential tragedy could have been really ugly.
Oh, wait. What's that? There were armed guards there and one may be injured/dead. Oops
Perhaps, but then we've had a pretty bloody history here in the UK too(!) and we don't suffere these events to anywhere near the same extent.
i don't think you've had a civil war like they did ... 650,000 dead ...
Europe did host a good hunk of WW2 with far more death than the US civil war ... So how come every time a European goes bonkers he doesn't take a shit load off people with him? Maybe because he can't just run to their local gum store and buy a weapon ... Once just my opinion.
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I don't think it's about how much bloodshed a country has had in its past.....it's about how that country's culture identifies with it. I mean, every war the Americans have been a part of (including the one with just them) is a major talking point of a massive percentage of Americans. It's like they are PROUD of being a violent society, but they don't see it as violent, they see it as heroic, which, to be honest, at many point in its history, it was. But that has all changed since Vietnam.
Now it's just the bully that sees itself as the hero and wonders why everyone calls it a bully.
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DC news is reporting that this guy started with a shotgun and ended up rearming with guns from guards.
I had read that too. Interesting how "some people" tend to think they know everything about a situation and start touting "we gotta ban everything" before a situation has even been investigated. I guess we should now ban all shotguns, right? I wonder if any lives were saved in this situation because of preparedness? How is that measured?
Those that feel less guns mean less crime, would you put a sign in front of your home stating.... this is a
"Gun Free Home"?
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DC news is reporting that this guy started with a shotgun and ended up rearming with guns from guards.
I had read that too. Interesting how "some people" tend to think they know everything about a situation and start touting "we gotta ban everything" before a situation has even been investigated. I guess we should now ban all shotguns, right? I wonder if any lives were saved in this situation because of preparedness? How is that measured?
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DC news is reporting that this guy started with a shotgun and ended up rearming with guns from guards.
I had read that too. Interesting how "some people" tend to think they know everything about a situation and start touting "we gotta ban everything" before a situation has even been investigated. I guess we should now ban all shotguns, right? I wonder if any lives were saved in this situation because of preparedness? How is that measured?
I don't know if I have ever seen many people calling for shotguns to be banned. But I think that if what they are saying happened it's a very solid argument against those who say security guards at various places who aren't armed (like at schools) should be armed. Clearly this horrible incident should show people how dangerous that can be.
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DC news is reporting that this guy started with a shotgun and ended up rearming with guns from guards.
I had read that too. Interesting how "some people" tend to think they know everything about a situation and start touting "we gotta ban everything" before a situation has even been investigated. I guess we should now ban all shotguns, right? I wonder if any lives were saved in this situation because of preparedness? How is that measured?
I don't know if I have ever seen many people calling for shotguns to be banned. But I think that if what they are saying happened it's a very solid argument against those who say security guards at various places who aren't armed (like at schools) should be armed. Clearly this horrible incident should show people how dangerous that can be.
Once again, I don't think anything in this situation is all that "clear" yet. And I have seen plenty around here calling for all guns, including shotguns, to be banned...wait for it, they're sure to chime in soon
Apparently this guy had lots of issues, yet he legally bought a gun.
So when can we finally get those universal background checks?
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or you can come to terms and realize
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Those that feel less guns mean less crime, would you put a sign in front of your home stating.... this is a
"Gun Free Home"?
You can have 1000 guns in your home, but the element of surprise can still get you. Just sayin.
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You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
if newtown didn't change anything, nothing ever will.
our society of violence is just fucked.
over 90% of americans want tougher gun legislation, but congress won't move on it.
the only thing that would ever change anything is if someone shot up congress and the people elected to replace those killed voted for background checks.
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i am in no way advocating that, by the way....
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U.S. law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that the Navy Yard gunman had been suffering a host of serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder. He also had been hearing voices in his head, the officials said. Alexis had been treated since August by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems, the officials said.
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This is all shaping up to be another carefully constructed plot by the government to pass a mandated background check. Halle Beery and John Travolta must be back to no good.
They made it much easier this time. Instead of having to hire 27,650 actors, they only had to hire a shade over 3,000 this time.
to paraphrase george carlin, "why do voices always tell people to commit horribly violent acts? why can't a voice tell someone to 'go take a shit on the salad bar at wendy's???'"
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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like i said before - i am in favour for stricter gun laws ... and deep down - i hope you are right ... but i don't see how this would change the fact that this person felt so much anger that he would do something like this ... once there - and the desire to kill - they will find a way to inflict the necessary damage ...
For many in the US the solution will be more metal detectors along with MORE access to more guns.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Like I said before though, perhaps that anger would have been manifested in another way, or more concentrated on a specific individual rather than being able to take out this many people.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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Chadwick has no time for that, he's off for a swim!
You know, the best and most heartwarming part of this situation is that the armed guards were able to take this lunatic out before he went and killed 12 innocent people. Thank god for guns or this potential tragedy could have been really ugly.
Oh, wait. What's that? There were armed guards there and one may be injured/dead. Oops
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Europe did host a good hunk of WW2 with far more death than the US civil war ... So how come every time a European goes bonkers he doesn't take a shit load off people with him? Maybe because he can't just run to their local gum store and buy a weapon ... Once just my opinion.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Now it's just the bully that sees itself as the hero and wonders why everyone calls it a bully.
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St. Paul 2014
"Gun Free Home"?
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this is easily one of the dumbest things I've read on here in quite some time.
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Apparently this guy had lots of issues, yet he legally bought a gun.
So when can we finally get those universal background checks?
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
You can have 1000 guns in your home, but the element of surprise can still get you. Just sayin.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
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this is going to happen again and again and again.
we are all gonna be upset, sad, or angry for a few days.
and then we are gonna forget all about it.
until it happens again.
welcome to america.
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Agreed. Aurora didn't change anything. Newtown didn't change anything. This won't change anything.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
our society of violence is just fucked.
over 90% of americans want tougher gun legislation, but congress won't move on it.
the only thing that would ever change anything is if someone shot up congress and the people elected to replace those killed voted for background checks.
DISCLAIMER
i am in no way advocating that, by the way....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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The handgun he had was taken from a police officer he shot. No report yet on how he obtained the shotgun and AR-15.
edit: echo, echo ....
They made it much easier this time. Instead of having to hire 27,650 actors, they only had to hire a shade over 3,000 this time.
to paraphrase george carlin, "why do voices always tell people to commit horribly violent acts? why can't a voice tell someone to 'go take a shit on the salad bar at wendy's???'"
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
1. That is an dumb question
2. All those guns at the Navy Yard did a hell of a job stopping this guy.