Anyone Ever Experience Anything Paranormal?

rollings

Gern Blansten wrote:

chadwick wrote:

never saw the movie, "amityville horror" as i don't watched much tv & don't own a tv but have heard of the flick & did hear it was bullshit

ok so we agree that in at least one case a paranormal experience was just bullshit....

And we still have no proof for any actual paranormal events. Videos of people saying they experienced something is not proof. The guy in the Amityville Horror had an incredible story but no proof. Actually the facts disputed his "story" altogether.

If my cabinet doors start opening and closing at all hours I'm going to film it. I'm going to invite the neighbors over, call my local news crew to tape it.

and yet.....nothing

Something....The Rosenheim Poltergeist---the most validated poltergeist case in recorded history. (Germany 1967)

Here there are video recordings (with the videos available on youtube--I ain't watching them though)

Also, there was intense investigation of the happenings....the press, the police and physicists were all over it....fraud was never found, and physicists said that phenomena could be "100 percent shown NOT to be explainable by known physics."

Main article: Rosenheim Poltergeist

Dr. Friedbert Karger was one of two physicists from the Max Planck Institute who helped to investigate perhaps the most validated poltergeist case in recorded history. Annemarie Schneider, a 19-year-old secretary in a law firm in Rosenheim (a town in southern Germany) was seemingly the unwitting cause of much chaos and controversy in the firm, including disruption of electricity and telephone lines, the rotation of a picture, swinging lamps which were captured on video (which was one of the first times any poltergeist activity has been captured on film), and strange sounds that sounded electrical in origin were recorded. Karger stated that "these experiments were really a challenge to physics" and the disturbances "could be 100 percent shown not to be explainable by known physics." Fraud was not proven despite intensive investigation by the physicists, journalists and the police. The effects moved with the young woman when she changed jobs until they finally faded out, disappeared, and never recurred.

Gern Blansten

rollings wrote:

Something....The Rosenheim Poltergeist---the most validated poltergeist case in recorded history. (Germany 1967)

Here there are video recordings (with the videos available on youtube--I ain't watching them though)

Also, there was intense investigation of the happenings....the press, the police and physicists were all over it....fraud was never found, and physicists said that phenomena could be "100 percent shown NOT to be explainable by known physics."

Main article: Rosenheim Poltergeist

Dr. Friedbert Karger was one of two physicists from the Max Planck Institute who helped to investigate perhaps the most validated poltergeist case in recorded history. Annemarie Schneider, a 19-year-old secretary in a law firm in Rosenheim (a town in southern Germany) was seemingly the unwitting cause of much chaos and controversy in the firm, including disruption of electricity and telephone lines, the rotation of a picture, swinging lamps which were captured on video (which was one of the first times any poltergeist activity has been captured on film), and strange sounds that sounded electrical in origin were recorded. Karger stated that "these experiments were really a challenge to physics" and the disturbances "could be 100 percent shown not to be explainable by known physics." Fraud was not proven despite intensive investigation by the physicists, journalists and the police. The effects moved with the young woman when she changed jobs until they finally faded out, disappeared, and never recurred.

There is no proof to that. My father in law had a similar thing happen to him a few years ago. His phone kept dialing "411" which is an information line. 411 got so many calls they called the local police to see what was happening. His phone bill was like $500 or something due to all the 411 calls. Not a poltergeist....bad phone line.

rollings

Gern Blansten wrote:

rollings wrote:

Something....The Rosenheim Poltergeist---the most validated poltergeist case in recorded history. (Germany 1967)

Here there are video recordings (with the videos available on youtube--I ain't watching them though)

Also, there was intense investigation of the happenings....the press, the police and physicists were all over it....fraud was never found, and physicists said that phenomena could be "100 percent shown NOT to be explainable by known physics."

Main article: Rosenheim Poltergeist

Dr. Friedbert Karger was one of two physicists from the Max Planck Institute who helped to investigate perhaps the most validated poltergeist case in recorded history. Annemarie Schneider, a 19-year-old secretary in a law firm in Rosenheim (a town in southern Germany) was seemingly the unwitting cause of much chaos and controversy in the firm, including disruption of electricity and telephone lines, the rotation of a picture, swinging lamps which were captured on video (which was one of the first times any poltergeist activity has been captured on film), and strange sounds that sounded electrical in origin were recorded. Karger stated that "these experiments were really a challenge to physics" and the disturbances "could be 100 percent shown not to be explainable by known physics." Fraud was not proven despite intensive investigation by the physicists, journalists and the police. The effects moved with the young woman when she changed jobs until they finally faded out, disappeared, and never recurred.

There is no proof to that. My father in law had a similar thing happen to him a few years ago. His phone kept dialing "411" which is an information line. 411 got so many calls they called the local police to see what was happening. His phone bill was like $500 or something due to all the 411 calls. Not a poltergeist....bad phone line.

You would have an argument if the phone calls were the only thing happening.(1)

However, other things were happening that had teams of the media, police, and physicists conducting full investigations....with said investigations not finding any fraud or trickery and with the occurrences having been found to not have any foot-hold in an explainable physical realm.

These people were out to disprove scientifcally what was happening and could not. Furthermore there was validated video of the unexplainable occurrences, as well as the third party witness documentation--the police and the physicists.

This is exactly what you were asking for in your post above...you were wondering where the neighbors and local news station were....well, here that is plus bonus police and scientists. Your "strange 411 phone calls involving my father-in-law" doesn't do one thing to disprove what happened, I do believe you know that though.


(1) also, the law firm's telephone system was totally replaced and the phone lines checked....only to have the phone calls resume once the new system was installed.

Gern Blansten

"The Rosenheim Poltergeist case has become an extremely contentious issue. While some claim that it proves the existence of paranormal phenomena, critics maintain it was set up and faked, or simply an attention-seeking prank developed by the emotionally disturbed Ms. Schaberl. There is also no evidence on video that matches the more extreme (and, therefore, paranormal) events said to have occurred. However the police officers present and others unconnected with the company, such as Karger and Zicha, did give official statements claiming to have witnessed unexplained object movements, and Annemarie Schaberl was never actually caught faking the phenomena."

If there is so much proof why would critics call it a fake?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenheim_Poltergeist

Gern Blansten

Of course, the first logical assumption would be that Ms. Schneider was faking the entire thing for attention. She was, after all, a troubled young woman who had a history of histrionic behavior as well as difficulty in her relationships with family and others. Surveillance done by the Institute of Paranormal Research showed that the phenomenon would only happen when she was present. There was also talk that others in the office were part of the prank to get attention. The focus however was on Anne Marie and the fact that there were no reports of strange happenings after she left for good does speak to her involvement.

Some believe that her involvement was not intentional but rather subscribe to the theory that ‘poltergeist’ activity such as this generates from a very human source. Energy coming from a living person, usually a young female going through some kind of stress or emotional difficulty has been studied by parapsychologists for some time, and the events in Rosenheim are often referred to as possibly being an example of this phenomenon. Others are convinced that it was merely a prank by a girl whose whole life had been about screaming for attention. It was reported that once she married a couple of years later that she herself no longer had any incidents–did the happiness and security offered by her new husband giver her what she needed? Or was the rampant energy she had during her years of confusion and turmoil finally tempered?

The Rosenheim events in 1967-68 were some of the most documented in history of possible poltergeist activity and are still studied today. Whether it was a hoax or a case of human energy being so out of control that telekinesis was occurring, it shows our need for evidence to validate what we believe to begin with. The same data is used to support and negate the haunting which has left the events open to interpretation. In other words, those who want to believe will think something phenomenal happened while ones who look with a more skeptical eye will continue to question.

http://4girlsandaghost.wordpress.com/20 ... -haunting/

Gern Blansten

SUMMARY

Physical Investigation of the Rosenheim Psychokinetic Phenomena. - Inexplicable phenomena in the office of a Rosenheim lawyer were first attributed to faults in the power supply. This hypothesis seemed to be confirmed by recorders which registered strong deflections. The officials of the power station, however, did not succeed in determining the cause. The authors made a control investigation. By means of a storage oscilloscope they examined systematically all possible physical causes inclusive fraudulous manipulation. The following conclusions were reached: 1) Although recorded with the facilities available to experimental physics, the events defies explanation with the known means available to theoretical physics; 2) the phenomena seemed to be the result of nonperiodic, shorttime forces; 3) they did not seem to involve electro-dynamic effects but were <mechanically> induced; 4) not only were explosive events involved, but also complicated motions; 5) these movements seemed to be performed by intelligently controlled forces with a tendency to evade investigation.

There was also a skeptical magician present at one time, this is what my email-friend has written about him, my translation:

A skeptical magician called Allan also visited the scene, he noticed a piece of nylon string from a used plastic pendulum hanging from the ceiling. So, in the book Allan, Schiff und Kramer: "Falsche Geister - echte Schwindler" the whole case was declared as a hoax. Quite a bold claim considering the big picture of the case. It would have been a miracle if the central character and other members of the staff were not under strict surveillance during the observations and the investigations, even by the police.

http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-122348.html

chadwick

biologist john mionczynski for the u.s. forest service researched bighorn sheep. here is mionczynski's detailed account while camping in a tent covered in bacon grease. this event was in 1972
http://youtu.be/GWzvKe-4nhY

these are the kinds of people & stories i enjoy following. i do not watch the show 'finding bigfoot'

PJ_Soul

Shawshank wrote:

Just saw The Conjuring last night with my daughter. Up until a few hours ago we were still curled up in the fetal position.

Anyone here ever experience anything paranormal? I'm curious how those with no belief in anything spiritual view such events or are they just dismissed as nonsense? Would love to read others stories. I have a few of my own ill share if there's any interest.

I wouldn't say that I don't believe in anything "spiritual", but I am an atheist, and still do think that the existence of "paranormal" events could be possible.... but just a result of nature - a function of natural science that we simply don't understand, and I see no reason to assume that some kind of an after life wouldn't be included in that. After all, the energy in a person has to go somewhere when they die... perhaps consciousness is an energy. Maybe it doesn't all go into the process of decomposition, we don't know. I don't necessarily believe in it, and do at least think a lot of what we hear is bullshit (people's brains can do crazy things), but I definitely don't 100% NOT believe in it, like I do God.

... What exactly constitutes paranormal? Just ghost type shit? Or do alien encounters/sightings count? Because I have experienced that.... but I won't go into it because hardly anyone ever believes me and I don't want people here wrongly thinking I'm some kind of crack pot. :P

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

Just saw The Conjuring last night with my daughter. Up until a few hours ago we were still curled up in the fetal position.

Anyone here ever experience anything paranormal? I'm curious how those with no belief in anything spiritual view such events or are they just dismissed as nonsense? Would love to read others stories. I have a few of my own ill share if there's any interest.

I wouldn't say that I don't believe in anything "spiritual", but I am an atheist, and still do think that the existence of "paranormal" events could be possible.... but just a result of nature - a function of natural science that we simply don't understand, and I see no reason to assume that some kind of an after life wouldn't be included in that. After all, the energy in a person has to go somewhere when they die... perhaps consciousness is an energy. Maybe it doesn't all go into the process of decomposition, we don't know. I don't necessarily believe in it, and do at least think a lot of what we hear is bullshit (people's brains can do crazy things), but I definitely don't 100% NOT believe in it, like I do God.

... What exactly constitutes paranormal? Just ghost type shit? Or do alien encounters/sightings count? Because I have experienced that.... but I won't go into it because hardly anyone ever believes me and I don't want people here wrongly thinking I'm some kind of crack pot. :P

have you read what some of us have added to this thread & other threads on here? some of us are given a pretty hard time.

i'd love to hear what you have to share with us. i myself have looked up into the night sky & saw some unexplainable flight movements taking place. lots of 90 degree turns, forward & backward manuvers & other bizarre aerial flight patterns

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

Just saw The Conjuring last night with my daughter. Up until a few hours ago we were still curled up in the fetal position.

Anyone here ever experience anything paranormal? I'm curious how those with no belief in anything spiritual view such events or are they just dismissed as nonsense? Would love to read others stories. I have a few of my own ill share if there's any interest.

I wouldn't say that I don't believe in anything "spiritual", but I am an atheist, and still do think that the existence of "paranormal" events could be possible.... but just a result of nature - a function of natural science that we simply don't understand, and I see no reason to assume that some kind of an after life wouldn't be included in that. After all, the energy in a person has to go somewhere when they die... perhaps consciousness is an energy. Maybe it doesn't all go into the process of decomposition, we don't know. I don't necessarily believe in it, and do at least think a lot of what we hear is bullshit (people's brains can do crazy things), but I definitely don't 100% NOT believe in it, like I do God.

... What exactly constitutes paranormal? Just ghost type shit? Or do alien encounters/sightings count? Because I have experienced that.... but I won't go into it because hardly anyone ever believes me and I don't want people here wrongly thinking I'm some kind of crack pot. :P

have you read what some of us have added to this thread & other threads on here? some of us are given a pretty hard time.

i'd love to hear what you have to share with us. i myself have looked up into the night sky & saw some unexplainable flight movements taking place. lots of 90 degree turns, forward & backward manuvers & other bizarre aerial flight patterns

Weeellll...... the reason no one ever believes my particular story is because it wasn't just lights in the sky. It was something that passed over me at maybe 10 miles an hour about 100 ft over the tree tops, and I could see every little detail - must have taken 10 minutes for it to pass over from skyline to skyline - I could hear it and see the texture, the colour, everything. Size of a football field, almost totally silent except for a low rumble, definitely not a weather balloon or a blimp or anything like that at all (oh, and it wasn't round at all - more shaped like a flattened silo. And there was only one single light on the whole giant thing). And I wasn't alone. I was with a friend who would vouch for it, except we totally lost touch after university. It was in 1991 or 1992, not sure what time of year, but not winter, at about 10:00pm, in Sunshine Hills, North Delta, BC, right next to a large watershed (and where I grew up). We were sitting on some little bleachers at a baseball diamond at an elementary school. We had smoked some pot a few hours earlier, but we weren't high when this happened. So anyway, I think you can imagine why most people don't believe me at all (they find it a lot easier to take moving lights in the sky stories), and those who do believe that I saw anything at all figure it must have been something man-made. Well, I saw it, and there is no way that is possible. Okay, so now people will think I am a crack pot, but you made me want to tell the story Chadwick, so I'll just blame you.

The most interesting part, I think, and what really clinched my surety that this was what I'm saying it was, is that we were both very, weirdly calm while it happened, just sat and watched really, and then when it was gone, we just looked at each other, said "wow." And then went home... and never spoke of it. Not to each other or anyone else. We really completely forget that it happened for 4 years... Or more like we were so oddly indifferent to it emotionally at the time that we just didn't think about it. And then after those 4 years we were sitting around (with my boyfriend at the time as well), and it suddenly hit me. I hadn't thought about it until that night. I asked my friend about, like, "remember when...?" And she looked at me with mild surprise and said "yeah. I do remember that." I asked her if she'd ever told anyone about it during those 4 years and she said she hadn't mentioned it to a soul or even thought about it since our walk home that night. But once we did remember, it actually shocked us a lot more than it did when it actually happened. Back there, we were eerily calm about it. :shock: What's THAT about??

Gern Blansten

Something that big must have been seen by many many people.

Sounds like some good weed.

PJ_Soul

Gern Blansten wrote:

Something that big must have been seen by many many people.

Sounds like some good weed.

And that's why I don't tell the story very often.

As I said, we weren't high at all. We know the difference between high and straight... And I don't think it's too common to share an identical hallucination with a friend.

Maybe it was seen by many and maybe it wasn't. It was a quiet area at night, and it made very little sound, and the colour was such that you couldn't see it too well from a distance, aside from that one light - for a long time, until it got closer, the light was the only thing we could see .... Plus, there is the whole thing about us blanking out on the experience for several years .... There could be many other people who had the same thing happen to them. Yeah yeah, I know it sounds convenient. But it's still true. Anyway, I really don't expect most people to believe me. It does sound pretty outrageous, I know. Still happened, but anyway.... yeah. :P I mean, for people to actually believe me, they'd have to accept a certain actuality - it's the stories where there is actually something concrete that are hardest to believe. A story that leaves no room for doubt is a story that people are apt to reject outright. As I said, the moving lights in the sky stories are easier to swallow because they they leave a huge amount of room for other explanations. My story doesn't. Oh well.

chadwick

nice story. thank you for sharing.

the thing is smoking marijuana, even the highest of grades would not ever make me believe a giant ufo is hovering above my pal & me. you had yourselves a pretty amazing experience.

we had a flying something or other follow us from town to beyond our home which was a good 5 mile back road travel. this thing was about 200 feet or less above our car, completely silent & small... probably the size of our car or smaller

dad drove on by our driveway as not to bring whatever it was to our family. dad & i watched this thing follow us all those 5 miles, dad's head out the window looking up, me trying to do the same from the passenger side, the road is curvy so it was from one side to the other or whatever

dad finally stopped & barelly stepped out of the car, told me not to get out but i did just a little bit, we were looking up at it, completely silent, one single light, then it vanished

we then turned around and drove home

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

nice story. thank you for sharing.

the thing is smoking marijuana, even the highest of grades would not ever make me believe a giant ufo is hovering above my pal & me. you had yourselves a pretty amazing experience.

we had a flying something or other follow us from town to beyond our home which was a good 5 mile back road travel. this thing was about 200 feet or less above our car, completely silent & small... probably the size of our car or smaller

dad drove on by our driveway as not to bring whatever it was to our family. dad & i watched this thing follow us all those 5 miles, dad's head out the window looking up, me trying to do the same from the passenger side, the road is curvy so it was from one side to the other or whatever

dad finally stopped & barelly stepped out of the car, told me not to get out but i did just a little bit, we were looking up at it, completely silent, one single light, then it vanished

we then turned around and drove home

I believe you.

chadwick

in the iowa darkness it is a fact my friends & i have saw unusual aerial flight patterns happening. all we had to do was sit or stand in our driveway/yard or fields... millions of stars overhead & some crazy ass flying around bullshit that makes zero sense at all

manuvers no aircraft i know of could ever dream of performing

bjo1015

chadwick wrote:

in the iowa darkness it is a fact my friends & i have saw unusual aerial flight patterns happening. all we had to do was sit or stand in our driveway/yard or fields... millions of stars overhead & some crazy ass flying around bullshit that makes zero sense at all

manuvers no aircraft i know of could ever dream of performing

I am from Eastern Iowa and a couple years ago my mother-in-law and I saw some crazy flying lights one night. There were 3 different aircraft and manuevers that certainly made us believe they weren't airplanes. Then all of the sudden, they flew off. We both looked at each other and asked what the hell we just saw!

chadwick

so lately i been having sasquatch dreams. but they are not like regular dream dreams. is it lucid dreaming when you are awakened & things are still happening or the dream totally feels real or you can control bits of it ? the thing is, i remember a sasquatch dream from when i was about 5 years old just as if it happened lastnight. in fact, it is the most intense & seemingly real dream i've ever had. it feels real in spirit, make sense? it feels locked in

put it this way... something somewhere (multiple whatevers) are tugging at me. my bedroom carries on nearly every night all night long; bang, thuds, rock clanks, metallic sounding banging around, shadows from time to time, directly after a friend hung himself i saw a decent sized lit up orb float across my apartment & fly through the wall into my bedroom swirling about leaving a trail behind

this morning a kitchen towel was lying on the kitchen floor when lastnight before bed i spread it out on the counter & sink to dry. i think of the rock slamming down on my dresser directly behind me as i was hanging up clothes in my closet. that was a fantastic happening just months ago. yes i have rocks lying about

hedonist

chadwick wrote:

so lately i been having sasquatch dreams. but they are not like regular dream dreams. is it lucid dreaming when you are awakened & things are still happening or the dream totally feels real or you can control bits of it ? the thing is, i remember a sasquatch dream from when i was about 5 years old just as if it happened lastnight. in fact, it is the most intense & seemingly real dream i've ever had. it feels real in spirit, make sense? it feels locked in

put it this way... something somewhere (multiple whatevers) are tugging at me. my bedroom carries on nearly every night all night long; bang, thuds, rock clanks, metallic sounding banging around, shadows from time to time, directly after a friend hung himself i saw a decent sized lit up orb float across my apartment & fly through the wall into my bedroom swirling about leaving a trail behind

this morning a kitchen towel was lying on the kitchen floor when lastnight before bed i spread it out on the counter & sink to dry. i think of the rock slamming down on my dresser directly behind me as i was hanging up clothes in my closet. that was a fantastic happening just months ago. yes i have rocks lying about

Lucid dreaming is wild; I don't experience it often but love when it does happen.

Also...your very last line up there made me smile.

chadwick

hedonist wrote:

chadwick wrote:

so lately i been having sasquatch dreams. but they are not like regular dream dreams. is it lucid dreaming when you are awakened & things are still happening or the dream totally feels real or you can control bits of it ? the thing is, i remember a sasquatch dream from when i was about 5 years old just as if it happened lastnight. in fact, it is the most intense & seemingly real dream i've ever had. it feels real in spirit, make sense? it feels locked in

put it this way... something somewhere (multiple whatevers) are tugging at me. my bedroom carries on nearly every night all night long; bang, thuds, rock clanks, metallic sounding banging around, shadows from time to time, directly after a friend hung himself i saw a decent sized lit up orb float across my apartment & fly through the wall into my bedroom swirling about leaving a trail behind

this morning a kitchen towel was lying on the kitchen floor when lastnight before bed i spread it out on the counter & sink to dry. i think of the rock slamming down on my dresser directly behind me as i was hanging up clothes in my closet. that was a fantastic happening just months ago. yes i have rocks lying about

Lucid dreaming is wild; I don't experience it often but love when it does happen.

Also...your very last line up there made me smile.

i like rocks

i'll be tossing about in bed, uneasy & heavy breathing, open my eyes, lift my head up, move around a bit & there is a big ass hairy bastard walking across my bedroom & the foot of my bed, he'll be in traces/flashes ...bam bam bam. felt like it was going on for hours & in a trance like state

intrusive?

chadwick

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