There is no god

JWPearl

Someone is right and someone is wrong when it comes to whether or not God exists. Period. This is a fact, not an opinion.

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chadwick

but you can't prove jack shit & neither can i or anyone. please get this through our thick heads

PJ_Soul

chadwick said:

but you can't prove jack shit & neither can i or anyone. please get this through our thick heads

Yeah, but the onus is not on those who don't believe in God. Since when was there a responsibility to prove what doesn't exist? Never, that's when. It's illogical. Those who believe in God should prove God exists before forcing their belief on the world through government, education, and law.

hedonist

PJ_Soul said:

chadwick said:

but you can't prove jack shit & neither can i or anyone. please get this through our thick heads

Yeah, but the onus is not on those who don't believe in God. Since when was there a responsibility to prove what doesn't exist? Never, that's when. It's illogical. Those who believe in God should prove God exists before forcing their belief on the world through government, education, and law.

Maybe those who push their agendas on others - religious or otherwise - need to validate; they're affecting, or trying to affect, aspects of life of others.

But those who don't, don't owe you, me, or anyone else anything in terms of "proof".

backseatLover12

chadwick said:

but you can't prove jack shit & neither can i or anyone. please get this through our thick heads

Thank you for saying what I was going to say!

chadwick

you're welcome, backseatL12

brianlux

JWPearl said:

There is a God and if I dont behave in my line...I dont get to go home...and home is my freedom my life my originality my refuge...so therefore I worship God happily, I was a sinner once because it was the end of like 1000 years for me so to speak so bound to go wild in the end but im all good now for a very long time...

That sounds like a nice thing to believe in if you believe it. And if you believe it and don't insist everyone else believe it, I think that's fine.

My own take on the "afterlife" is that it started when I old enough to have thoughts and feeling (maybe from day one, I don't remember). Thoughts and feelings are small electrical impulses that radiate out into the universe. When I have my last thought and /or feeling, it will go out into the universe (my energy home) with all the others, mine, your, everyone's, and my star-born atoms will get recycled into all kinds of stuff here on earth (my physical home).

backseatLover12

PJ_Soul said:

chadwick said:

but you can't prove jack shit & neither can i or anyone. please get this through our thick heads

Yeah, but the onus is not on those who don't believe in God. Since when was there a responsibility to prove what doesn't exist? Never, that's when. It's illogical. Those who believe in God should prove God exists before forcing their belief on the world through government, education, and law.

There is no responsibility to prove anything. The entire point of belief is that it can't be proven, yet can be believed in.

backseatLover12

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

You can't seem to keep your beliefs to yourself either. Who really cares who believes or doesn't believe! No one is right and no one is wrong when it comes to personal beliefs.

Um, what? Obviously you're not understand what my point is I guess? My talking about God not existing on the internet has no impact on war, politics, education, civil and human rights, nothing. That 95% of the world believes in God, however, does, since religion plays a big role in all of those things, and without God, there is no religion.

Someone is right and someone is wrong when it comes to whether or not God exists. Period. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Without God there is no religion, yet the majority out there seem to believe there is a God. Hence, religion is here to stay. Whether we like it or not. No one is right, no one is wrong. There is no proof of anything. Let it go already.

chadwick

http://youtu.be/4_EckS3qrVE

hedonist

I think the only "wrong" in religion is in how it's forced, or spottily applied, whether by an individual or by a group. I could do without the damning of it as well from the other side. Neither are necessary or productive.

At the end of my father's funeral service a few years ago, after the eulogies (I couldn't even read what I'd written and my attempt at winging it fell short...fucking emotions) and after the exchanging of love and hugs and tears with all who loved him, I started to head out of the chapel...catch up with my husband, hold his hand. It was warm and comforting...we were getting ready to bury my father.

But, there's the rabbi scolding him for not wearing a yarmulke (he was raised Catholic but non-practicing). Me, I didn't give a shit.

"It's disrespectful!"

To whom? You?

The god of my father wouldn't give a shit about something so inconsequential. It's about heart and morals and integrity...not about having your fucking head covered.

I told him so, maybe more heatedly than necessary, but he had it coming.

Never thought I'd apply the term "asshole" to a rabbi. What a massive dick.

PJ_Soul

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

You can't seem to keep your beliefs to yourself either. Who really cares who believes or doesn't believe! No one is right and no one is wrong when it comes to personal beliefs.

Um, what? Obviously you're not understand what my point is I guess? My talking about God not existing on the internet has no impact on war, politics, education, civil and human rights, nothing. That 95% of the world believes in God, however, does, since religion plays a big role in all of those things, and without God, there is no religion.

Someone is right and someone is wrong when it comes to whether or not God exists. Period. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Without God there is no religion, yet the majority out there seem to believe there is a God. Hence, religion is here to stay. Whether we like it or not. No one is right, no one is wrong. There is no proof of anything. Let it go already.

Lol, there is no way I'm letting it go. I'm passionate about this subject and I'll argue against the existence of god and everything the worldwide belief in a fairytale entails until the day I die.

backseatLover12

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

You can't seem to keep your beliefs to yourself either. Who really cares who believes or doesn't believe! No one is right and no one is wrong when it comes to personal beliefs.

Um, what? Obviously you're not understand what my point is I guess? My talking about God not existing on the internet has no impact on war, politics, education, civil and human rights, nothing. That 95% of the world believes in God, however, does, since religion plays a big role in all of those things, and without God, there is no religion.

Someone is right and someone is wrong when it comes to whether or not God exists. Period. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Without God there is no religion, yet the majority out there seem to believe there is a God. Hence, religion is here to stay. Whether we like it or not. No one is right, no one is wrong. There is no proof of anything. Let it go already.

Lol, there is no way I'm letting it go. I'm passionate about this subject and I'll argue against the existence of god and everything the worldwide belief in a fairytale entails until the day I die.

Good luck arguing something that can't be proven. You're inadvertently living the life of a pushy religious person yet pushing a different belief. You're no different, according to what you write, than the preaching religious. You are what you hate!

Don't you see this? Live and let live for God's or Bob's sake. Allow others to believe what they choose without getting in their face w/ your atheism BELIEFS.

PJ_Soul

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

You can't seem to keep your beliefs to yourself either. Who really cares who believes or doesn't believe! No one is right and no one is wrong when it comes to personal beliefs.

Um, what? Obviously you're not understand what my point is I guess? My talking about God not existing on the internet has no impact on war, politics, education, civil and human rights, nothing. That 95% of the world believes in God, however, does, since religion plays a big role in all of those things, and without God, there is no religion.

Someone is right and someone is wrong when it comes to whether or not God exists. Period. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Without God there is no religion, yet the majority out there seem to believe there is a God. Hence, religion is here to stay. Whether we like it or not. No one is right, no one is wrong. There is no proof of anything. Let it go already.

Lol, there is no way I'm letting it go. I'm passionate about this subject and I'll argue against the existence of god and everything the worldwide belief in a fairytale entails until the day I die.

Good luck arguing something that can't be proven. You're inadvertently living the life of a pushy religious person yet pushing a different belief. You're no different, according to what you write, than the preaching religious. You are what you hate!

Don't you see this? Live and let live for God's or Bob's sake. Allow others to believe what they choose without getting in their face w/ your atheism BELIEFS.

You seem to be overestimating my power, lol.

I don't have to prove anything. I already covered that.

Also, I'm not pushing anything. I am just stating my opinion. The same thing cannot be said for missionaries, people who literally make it their life's mission to convert people (This is how people of certain religions get into heaven you know), apply their religious beliefs to politics and laws that govern us all, knocking on people's doors to try and talk them into their faith, try to include creationism in school, seducing people to donate to churches so they can build gaudy mega churches, justifying bigotry, creating weird sexual hang ups, embodying hypocrisy (see Catholicism, et al), brainwashing vulnerable people and luring them into cults, slaughtering innocent people on behalf of their faith, and so on. Some atheist claiming that God doesn't exist has no relation at all to such things. Religion, hence belief in God, causes all of these things. Not atheism. If all that the belief in god did was provide comfort for people i wouldn't have an issue. But as it is, I believe that atheism is the only thing that could ever stop all of these terrible things that come with faith in the existence of god.

hedonist

PJ, are you talking specifically about Christianity, or are other faiths - Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Mormonism, this-ism, that-ism, all the isms - included? Are you cool with those not using the methods of seduction you mention?

Is it the organizations behind those religions you take issue with, or are those who just believe in and live by the peaceful tenets of them lumped in too?

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

PJ, are you talking specifically about Christianity, or are other faiths - Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Mormonism, this-ism, that-ism, all the isms - included? Are you cool with those not using the methods of seduction you mention?

Is it the organizations behind those religions you take issue with, or are those who just believe in and live by the peaceful tenets of them lumped in too?

I am talking about all religions (to repeat, I don't consider Buddhism a religion - has nothing to do with god). No, lol, of course I don't feel this way about all people who believe in god. I think that would make me some kind of psychopath, lol. But while I do of course take great issue with all religious organizations, the basic belief in god all over the world is what fuels those organizations. Again, belief in god is what religion is based on. If it weren't for this belief there would be no religion. A world without religion (and therefore, a world where there is no belief in the fantasy of god) would be a better and more harmonious place.

JWPearl

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

You can't seem to keep your beliefs to yourself either. Who really cares who believes or doesn't believe! No one is right and no one is wrong when it comes to personal beliefs.

Um, what? Obviously you're not understand what my point is I guess? My talking about God not existing on the internet has no impact on war, politics, education, civil and human rights, nothing. That 95% of the world believes in God, however, does, since religion plays a big role in all of those things, and without God, there is no religion.

Someone is right and someone is wrong when it comes to whether or not God exists. Period. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Without God there is no religion, yet the majority out there seem to believe there is a God. Hence, religion is here to stay. Whether we like it or not. No one is right, no one is wrong. There is no proof of anything. Let it go already.

Lol, there is no way I'm letting it go. I'm passionate about this subject and I'll argue against the existence of god and everything the worldwide belief in a fairytale entails until the day I die.

Good luck arguing something that can't be proven. You're inadvertently living the life of a pushy religious person yet pushing a different belief. You're no different, according to what you write, than the preaching religious. You are what you hate!

Don't you see this? Live and let live for God's or Bob's sake. Allow others to believe what they choose without getting in their face w/ your atheism BELIEFS.

I like you

rgambs

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

You can't seem to keep your beliefs to yourself either. Who really cares who believes or doesn't believe! No one is right and no one is wrong when it comes to personal beliefs.

Um, what? Obviously you're not understand what my point is I guess? My talking about God not existing on the internet has no impact on war, politics, education, civil and human rights, nothing. That 95% of the world believes in God, however, does, since religion plays a big role in all of those things, and without God, there is no religion.

Someone is right and someone is wrong when it comes to whether or not God exists. Period. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Without God there is no religion, yet the majority out there seem to believe there is a God. Hence, religion is here to stay. Whether we like it or not. No one is right, no one is wrong. There is no proof of anything. Let it go already.

Lol, there is no way I'm letting it go. I'm passionate about this subject and I'll argue against the existence of god and everything the worldwide belief in a fairytale entails until the day I die.

Good luck arguing something that can't be proven. You're inadvertently living the life of a pushy religious person yet pushing a different belief. You're no different, according to what you write, than the preaching religious. You are what you hate!

Don't you see this? Live and let live for God's or Bob's sake. Allow others to believe what they choose without getting in their face w/ your atheism BELIEFS.

I think you are missing the point. Non

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

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PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Literally? You really think that literally, God entertains all in Heaven and monitors all on earth? What's your answer?

That's part of the message that's sold to young, influential minds.

The message changes as people get wiser?

No, since there are a whole heap of adults - otherwise intelligent ones - who sincerely believe such things until the day they die. And even believe that Bible is true, or that Jesus will come down and signal the apocalypse. It's fucking crazy. Never fails to amaze me, really.
BTW, the most prayed for thing in America is supposedly that a favorite sports team wins. Lol.

And those people have to right to believe whatever they want, as long is it comforts them, gives them hope, keeps them looking for a positive in their lives, whatever. It's not up to anyone else to say that their beliefs trump those of another. Because they don't.

I never said people don't have a right to believe anything they want. They do, just as much as I have a right to talk about how crazy it is.

But who are you to judge?

I'm me. Free to have my own opinions and judge what I like. People who believe in God say I'm wrong. I say they're wrong. No difference there at all.

Sigh. No one's wrong. Belief is extremely subjective and to each his own. Just believe what you want, but perhaps drop the judgment of others. They can - and will - believe what they want.

Yes, they can and will believe what they want. But that doesn't in any way make someone any less wrong. Either God exists or he doesn't. Someone's got to be wrong here. I believe in TRUTH. Not fantasy. And it matters to me because belief in God has a direct impact on me and everyone else in the world. It affects politics, laws, cultural progression, civil rights, war, education, etc etc etc etc. IT MATTERS. If God doesn't exist (which he doesn't), then I think it's VERY relevant that people believe in a fantasy when that belief has these kind of impacts on individuals and the world. I don't understand why people shrug this issue off as though it only affects people on a private, personal level.

And those people have to right to believe whatever they want, as long is it comforts them, gives them hope, keeps them looking for a positive in their lives, whatever. It's not up to anyone else to say that their beliefs trump those of another. Because they don't.

And if they teach their children things like Jihad we are supposed to allow it because it is their belief? If they teach that women are subject to the whims of men is it ok? If their holy books are conspicuously silent on rape do we allow them to omit it from their morality? If they teach their children that 2 men cannot love each other do they have that right? It is only their belief and they have a right to it, no? This is the point that PJ soul keeps making and you keep missing. Belief doesn't occur in a vacuum, it has real world consequences and many of them are not about hope and positivity.

rgambs

JWPearl said:

There is a God and if I dont behave in my line...I dont get to go home...and home is my freedom my life my originality my refuge...so therefore I worship God happily, I was a sinner once because it was the end of like 1000 years for me so to speak so bound to go wild in the end but im all good now for a very long time...

Personally, I would never burn my children in eternal fire for simple disrespect, but then I am far more compassionate than your god. I also include not raping women in my top ten "commandments"

chadwick

is why i say the bible was written by humans to control humans. again for the 90th time - religions & so called holy books are not where god is. this is my opinion of course but it sure as shit makes sense. but yes i would like to read where in the bible it says to rape women & burn children in eternal flames. im not saying it has not been written. post it & post it. i asked three times now & still nothing has been shared