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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    rgambs said:

    catefrances said:

    I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

    I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?
    Gambs: (hope ok to call you this) we make selections based on our past experiences. So we react, we don't decide. When you go to the closet to pick out a shirt, you have no choice. You will pick based on your past experiences.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    catefrances said:

    rgambs said:

    catefrances said:

    I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

    I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?
    well lets first strike God pulling our strings off the list considering im an atheist. For starters i would consider the rules of law and those of society to be a couple of instances where free will is curtailed.

    Ahh I am catching on a little, but can't we choose to break those laws and suffer the consequences? Free will doesn't mean freedom from consequence does it?
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited November 2014
    catefrances said:

    rgambs said:

    catefrances said:

    I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

    I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?
    well lets first strike God pulling our strings off the list considering im an atheist. For starters i would consider the rules of law and those of society to be a couple of instances where free will is curtailed.

    I take it further than curtail but yes outside influences/past experience.

    Being Christian in US and Muslim in Saudi are examples of not really choosing a religion. It was already chosen. My parents and upbringing gave me experiences to question religion.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,652
    rgambs said:

    catefrances said:

    rgambs said:

    catefrances said:

    I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

    I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?
    well lets first strike God pulling our strings off the list considering im an atheist. For starters i would consider the rules of law and those of society to be a couple of instances where free will is curtailed.

    Ahh I am catching on a little, but can't we choose to break those laws and suffer the consequences? Free will doesn't mean freedom from consequence does it?
    No, it doesn't. We have free will to do anything we want. Doesn't mean doing it won't make us bad, get us in trouble, hurt, or killed.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    callen said:

    catefrances said:

    rgambs said:

    catefrances said:

    I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

    I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?
    well lets first strike God pulling our strings off the list considering im an atheist. For starters i would consider the rules of law and those of society to be a couple of instances where free will is curtailed.

    I take it further than curtail but yes outside influences/past experience.

    Being Christian in US and Muslim in Saudi are examples of not really choosing a religion. It was already chosen. My parents and upbringing gave me experiences to question religion.
    So the US is a theocracy is it? How is being christian in the US not really a choice. None of us are born christian we inherit our faith from our family... however when we become old enough to seek our own path that is when we choose to continue on our path as a christian or choose another path. Personally I was very young when I decided how I was going to continue on my path.. and it wasnt as a christian.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited November 2014
    catefrances said:

    callen said:

    catefrances said:

    rgambs said:

    catefrances said:

    I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

    I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?
    well lets first strike God pulling our strings off the list considering im an atheist. For starters i would consider the rules of law and those of society to be a couple of instances where free will is curtailed.

    I take it further than curtail but yes outside influences/past experience.

    Being Christian in US and Muslim in Saudi are examples of not really choosing a religion. It was already chosen. My parents and upbringing gave me experiences to question religion.
    So the US is a theocracy is it? How is being christian in the US not really a choice. None of us are born christian we inherit our faith from our family... however when we become old enough to seek our own path that is when we choose to continue on our path as a christian or choose another path. Personally I was very young when I decided how I was going to continue on my path.. and it wasnt as a christian.
    Missed my point. Guess I wasn't clear.

    Using perceived choice of religion as example of outside influences being determining factor not that one chooses the right god. Most religious people in US are Christian simply due to where they were hatched. Wasn't a choice. We have no free will. We react as does an insect.

    As to your decision when you were young(was twelve after Greek mythology lesson) in coming to conclusion that religion didn't align with your beliefs, you didn't chose, you reacted to past stimuli.
    Post edited by callen on
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    callen said:

    catefrances said:

    callen said:

    catefrances said:

    rgambs said:

    catefrances said:

    I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

    I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?
    well lets first strike God pulling our strings off the list considering im an atheist. For starters i would consider the rules of law and those of society to be a couple of instances where free will is curtailed.

    I take it further than curtail but yes outside influences/past experience.

    Being Christian in US and Muslim in Saudi are examples of not really choosing a religion. It was already chosen. My parents and upbringing gave me experiences to question religion.
    So the US is a theocracy is it? How is being christian in the US not really a choice. None of us are born christian we inherit our faith from our family... however when we become old enough to seek our own path that is when we choose to continue on our path as a christian or choose another path. Personally I was very young when I decided how I was going to continue on my path.. and it wasnt as a christian.
    Missed my point. Guess I wasn't clear.

    Using perceived choice of religion as example of outside influences being determining factor not that one chooses the right god. Most religious people in US are Christian simply due to where they were hatched. Wasn't a choice. We have no free will. We react as does an insect.

    As to your decision when you were young(was twelve after Greek mythology lesson) in coming to conclusion that religion didn't align with your beliefs, you didn't chose, you reacted to past stimuli.

    I already stated that we have no free will.... but that doesnt mean we arent free to choose our religion. I dont know what your choice was but my choice wasnt based on not aligning with my beliefs.... for me there was no belief.
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  • TalonTedd
    TalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    rgambs said:

    catefrances said:

    I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

    I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?
    =D>
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,656
    Oh God, it's THE GOD THREAD again! Good God!

    My latest on this subject is that I think... hold on... sorry, God's on the phone. godda run.

    Innagoddadavida.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    brianlux said:

    Oh God, it's THE GOD THREAD again! Good God!

    My latest on this subject is that I think... hold on... sorry, God's on the phone. godda run.

    Innagoddadavida.

    Well? What did he have to say? :))
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,656
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    brianlux said:

    Oh God, it's THE GOD THREAD again! Good God!

    My latest on this subject is that I think... hold on... sorry, God's on the phone. godda run.

    Innagoddadavida.

    Well? What did he have to say? :))
    "Sorry, son, wrong number."

    To which I replied, "Jesus!"

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    brianlux said:

    Oh God, it's THE GOD THREAD again! Good God!

    My latest on this subject is that I think... hold on... sorry, God's on the phone. godda run.

    Innagoddadavida.

    Well? What did he have to say? :))
    brianlux said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    brianlux said:

    Oh God, it's THE GOD THREAD again! Good God!

    My latest on this subject is that I think... hold on... sorry, God's on the phone. godda run.

    Innagoddadavida.

    Well? What did he have to say? :))
    "Sorry, son, wrong number."

    To which I replied, "Jesus!"

    Nice
    BTW, I have no idea how my avatar changed
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,656
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    brianlux said:

    Oh God, it's THE GOD THREAD again! Good God!

    My latest on this subject is that I think... hold on... sorry, God's on the phone. godda run.

    Innagoddadavida.

    Well? What did he have to say? :))
    brianlux said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    brianlux said:

    Oh God, it's THE GOD THREAD again! Good God!

    My latest on this subject is that I think... hold on... sorry, God's on the phone. godda run.

    Innagoddadavida.

    Well? What did he have to say? :))
    "Sorry, son, wrong number."

    To which I replied, "Jesus!"

    Nice
    BTW, I have no idea how my avatar changed
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Go Beavers said:

    What if God gave us free will?

    He did, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

    Godfather.

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited November 2014
    Godfather. said:

    Go Beavers said:

    What if God gave us free will?

    He did, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

    Godfather.

    This was erroneously translated to be expressed at the time of the crucifixion. Jesus was actually really pissed at those guys hammering his hands into the wooden cross and spearing him.

    In actuality, this statement was bemoaned at the last supper when all the disciples were farting at the table.

    See how things get lost in translation?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited November 2014
    BTW Godfather, that last post of yours not only contained exact punctuation with the quotations and everything... the spelling was bang on.

    What the hell, man?

    On edit: sorry, man. In disbelief, I checked again and you omitted the period. Things are normal again! :D
    Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    brianlux said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    brianlux said:

    Oh God, it's THE GOD THREAD again! Good God!

    My latest on this subject is that I think... hold on... sorry, God's on the phone. godda run.

    Innagoddadavida.

    Well? What did he have to say? :))
    "Sorry, son, wrong number."

    To which I replied, "Jesus!"

    Oh shit, this was funny! Hahaha =))
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,936
    edited November 2014
    In Greeks,the word God,is the word Theos(θεος)..the word ''Theos'' came from the ancient greek word ''theomai'',which is mean manifest..so,the ancient Greeks call them Gods,cause they can see them..once upon a time the Gods are among us and they are interactive with people..

    now,make the connections..
    Post edited by 23scidoo on
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    BTW Godfather, that last post of yours not only contained exact punctuation with the quotations and everything... the spelling was bang on.

    What the hell, man?

    On edit: sorry, man. In disbelief, I checked again and you omitted the period. Things are normal again! :D



    =)) you rock Brother ! I love a good laugh in the morning thank you !

    Godfather.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,656
    23scidoo said:

    In Greeks,the word God,is the word Theos(θεος)..the word ''Theos'' came from the ancient greek word ''theomai'',which is mean manifest..so,the ancient Greeks call them Gods,cause they can see them..once upon a time the Gods are among us and they are interactive with people..

    now,make the connections..

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