Cops arrest man for filming, kill his dog too

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

I'd rather be bitten by a dog than shoot it. I would not rather have my face ripped off or my throat torn out by a dog than shoot it, but a bite I would risk. When the dog bites, obviously the other cops would have shot it immediately, before it could do more harm. Some don't agree with me, but I think that's reasonable risk for the cops considering the alternative. And I agree that the life of the dog is being undervalued by some.

this.

this is how human beings view nearly every beast on the planet as well as there own. a number of humans seem to only value human life or not even. sad stuff

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I was going to say something earlier... but I stuck to the theme of the thread.

Grizzly bears generally laugh at pepper spray. One just did in Fernie, BC yesterday. I'm not saying Rottweilers do the same, but grizzlies generally use the pepper spray as a nice 'rub' for thighs and other meaty parts. It bothers them slightly... but does not deter them very often.

even flow - question mark

Could PJ and Thirty submit their final arguements for the judges to go over in this debate.

I don't think you guys/girls are going to see eye to eye on this one.

Godfather.

even flow - question mark wrote:

Could PJ and Thirty submit their final arguements for the judges to go over in this debate.

I don't think you guys/girls are going to see eye to eye on this one.

yer honer,I'll have to lend my support and judgement for the police officer some Dogs are bread to specifically fight for and protect their owners ...it's almost like the **mean and vicous" are bread into them**
and when you have a 100+ lb animal sizing you up that has a reputation for being able to tear up what/who ever it attacks ....well you see my point ?

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

even flow - question mark wrote:

Could PJ and Thirty submit their final arguements for the judges to go over in this debate.

I don't think you guys/girls are going to see eye to eye on this one.

Funny you should say this, because at first, I saw nothing wrong with what the cop did. Then I slowly evolved to on the fence. Now I cant fucking believe the cop shot off all those rounds. What he did looks extremely risky because after seeing the video a few times in slo-mo, I noticed people standing around in several areas, and judging from all the talking, yelling, and crowd reaction when the dog was shot, I'd guess the street was lined with people. He could've easily hit an innocent bystander. So, I've kinda changed my position I think, to "dumbass move."

But dumbass move by cop AND dumbass move by dog owner.

And if you look closely, there are other people holding their phones as if they are recording. I wonder if those videos/pics will surface.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

even flow - question mark wrote:

Could PJ and Thirty submit their final arguements for the judges to go over in this debate.

I don't think you guys/girls are going to see eye to eye on this one.

It's all been said. People can choose to sit wherever they wish on this one.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I was going to say something earlier... but I stuck to the theme of the thread.

Grizzly bears generally laugh at pepper spray. One just did in Fernie, BC yesterday. I'm not saying Rottweilers do the same, but grizzlies generally use the pepper spray as a nice 'rub' for thighs and other meaty parts. It bothers them slightly... but does not deter them very often.

Yeah, as far as I know, bear spray is not meant for dropping bears. It's for slowing them down long enough to either try to run or get up a tree, or stab it through the eye with your hunting knife. I'd personally rather go into the back country with a bear bell than bear spray. That would probably be more effective in avoiding a bear attack (the idea of which freaks the shit out of me - I'm always kind of paranoid about bears when I'm camping or hiking). But we're talking about a medium sized dog here, not a grizzly bear ... if you sprayed it, it would definitely stop him long enough to throw a jacket over its head and subdue it. Better yet, use a taser. That would knock him down long enough to subdue him.

PJ_Soul

even flow - question mark wrote:

Could PJ and Thirty submit their final arguements for the judges to go over in this debate.

I don't think you guys/girls are going to see eye to eye on this one.

It is a rare occasion, but I'm definitely ready to agree to disagree.

chadwick

http://youtu.be/ZGUyMFPJRnU

i found a video of a rottweiler attacking a policeman. the policeman's partner tasers the rot, rot falls twitching & then gets up & runs away. this is a good example of what could be done, what may should have been done & how a dog may live another day. however, this dog here was very much hell bent on injuring (or worse) this man.

now i'd also like to say this here was a clean & solid tasering. not all tasers stick or stick half assed. also, maybe not all rots or other dogs like hairier breeds will be affected by a taser

again... the people taking care of this dog are completely negligentful & those folks almost maybe should be fined & thrown in jail a good weekend or a week. assholes

when you are taking care of a hazardous animal you are fully responsible if said animal hurts someone. if i am ever attacked by a pitbull, rottweiler or beagel i am going to wedge their mut up their fat asses once i am released from the hospital & they will be handing over large amounts of cash

rottweilers are way to badass to neglect like this

JonnyPistachio

chadwick wrote:

http://youtu.be/ZGUyMFPJRnU

i found a video of a rottweiler attacking a policeman. the policeman's partner tasers the rot, rot falls twitching & then gets up & runs away. this is a good example of what could be done, what may should have been done & how a dog may live another day. however, this dog here was very much hell bent on injuring (or worse) this man.

now i'd also like to say this here was a clean & solid tasering. not all tasers stick or stick half assed. also, maybe not all rots or other dogs like hairier breeds will be affected by a taser

again... the people taking care of this dog are completely negligentful & those folks almost maybe should be fined & thrown in jail a good weekend or a week. assholes

when you are taking care of a hazardous animal you are fully responsible if said animal hurts someone. if i am ever attacked by a pitbull, rottweiler or beagel i am going to wedge their mut up their fat asses once i am released from the hospital & they will be handing over large amounts of cash

rottweilers are way to badass to neglect like this

That was insane chadwick. That officer handled it well.

PJ_Soul wrote:

It is a rare occasion, but I'm definitely ready to agree to disagree.

You are certainly a feisty one PJsoul, I like that :P

Guitar92player

I swore I wouldn't watch it, but I saw the video everywhere so I gave in. I regret watching it. No one should ever shoot a dog because it was naturally reacting to someone that looked violent. His owner was being taken away. Fuck that cop. I wish him hell. He did not act appropriately. The dog did not deserve to be shot. Yeah, the dog was being aggressive, but the cop should never have shot it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Guitar92player wrote:

I swore I wouldn't watch it, but I saw the video everywhere so I gave in. I regret watching it. No one should ever shoot a dog because it was naturally reacting to someone that looked violent. His owner was being taken away. Fuck that cop. I wish him hell. He did not act appropriately. The dog did not deserve to be shot. Yeah, the dog was being aggressive, but the cop should never have shot it.

For the counter to the statement, "Fuck that cop. I wish him hell. He did not act appropriately. The dog did not deserve to be shot. Yeah, the dog was being aggressive, but the cop should never have shot it."... please refer to pages 1-11.

Guitar92player

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

I swore I wouldn't watch it, but I saw the video everywhere so I gave in. I regret watching it. No one should ever shoot a dog because it was naturally reacting to someone that looked violent. His owner was being taken away. Fuck that cop. I wish him hell. He did not act appropriately. The dog did not deserve to be shot. Yeah, the dog was being aggressive, but the cop should never have shot it.

For the counter to the statement, "Fuck that cop. I wish him hell. He did not act appropriately. The dog did not deserve to be shot. Yeah, the dog was being aggressive, but the cop should never have shot it."... please refer to pages 1-11.

How about you sum it up for me?

If the counter argument is the cop was attacked so he had the right to fight back, then yes, yes he did. However, he did not have to shoot the dog. I'm assuming its because the heat of the moment, understandable, but a responsible, professional cop would not kill the dog. I retract the statement "I wish him hell," but I still think he should be punished.

dignin

Whats sad is when there seems to be more outrage over a dog getting shot and killed than a person. There are unjustified shootings of citizens by the police all the time, but I can't remember so much outrage over them.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1390610

I really tend to not like cops but these people are fucking worse.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Guitar92player wrote:

How about you sum it up for me?

If the counter argument is the cop was attacked so he had the right to fight back, then yes, yes he did. However, he did not have to shoot the dog. I'm assuming its because the heat of the moment, understandable, but a responsible, professional cop would not kill the dog. I retract the statement "I wish him hell," but I still think he should be punished.

In short, this regrettable situation looks like this for me:

A. The Lead-Up (required for context)
1. Tense situation with multiple cars dealing with something.
2. Idiot owner past the 'other lookyloos' being obnoxious.
3. Police tell owner to get away. He becomes confrontational.
4. Officers approach. Owner puts dog in car, but not securely.
5. Owner gets cuffed and dog jumps out of car to defend owner.

B. The Confrontation
1. Dog is a 80 pound Rottweiler.
2. Rottweilers have a rich history in displaying very violent behaviours.
3. The dog is menacing and shows no sign of relenting- in fact, it begins to intensify its behaviour.
4. The cops are now dealing with the original situation, a handcuffed guy, and now a dog.
5. Approximately 10 seconds go by where the cops ward off any advances, but the advances, as mentioned, are not stopping.
6. The cop shoots the dog. The first bullet seems to do very little- when watching the video, I thought the cop missed.
7. The dog is shot dead. Ugly scene for sure.

C. Afterthoughts:
1. People stating that the cop should have been patient weren't the ones being confronted by the dog. It's easy to sit back and cast judgement... but not so easy to stand there with powerful jaws in range and active.
2. The police have policies regarding how to deal with an aggressive dog. Under no circumstances are police expected to get bit before they stop an attack on themselves with force. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
3. Uncuffing a handcuffed perpetrator is counter to police policy as well. Uncuffing the owner to deal with the dog was not an option.
4. We all wish for a different outcome, but too much blame is placed on the officer and too much criticism is thrown his way for how he dealt with the situation from people afforded the opportunity to watch video and reflect while not being confronted.
5. Lost in all of this is the fact that this didn't have to happen if the owner had not acted like a punk.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin wrote:

Whats sad is when there seems to be more outrage over a dog getting shot and killed than a person. There are unjustified shootings of citizens by the police all the time, but I can't remember so much outrage over them.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1390610

I really tend to not like cops but these people are fucking worse.

The video of the other angle clearly shows the dog lunging at the officer... and that is when it was shot.

The people uttering death threats to this officer are low.

Again... does the owner just get a pass? He initiated the whole scene and he never secured his dog inside his car. He's an idiot.

The dog was acting as it should: coming to the aid of its owner (obviously not knowing he is an idiot). The cop was acting as he should: protecting himself when he was in the line of duty. Negligently, in my mind, the owner pitted the dog against the cop.

Guitar92player

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

How about you sum it up for me?

If the counter argument is the cop was attacked so he had the right to fight back, then yes, yes he did. However, he did not have to shoot the dog. I'm assuming its because the heat of the moment, understandable, but a responsible, professional cop would not kill the dog. I retract the statement "I wish him hell," but I still think he should be punished.

In short, this regrettable situation looks like this for me:

A. The Lead-Up (required for context)
1. Tense situation with multiple cars dealing with something.
2. Idiot owner past the 'other lookyloos' being obnoxious.
3. Police tell owner to get away. He becomes confrontational.
4. Officers approach. Owner puts dog in car, but not securely.
5. Owner gets cuffed and dog jumps out of car to defend owner.

B. The Confrontation
1. Dog is a 80 pound Rottweiler.
2. Rottweilers have a rich history in displaying very violent behaviours.
3. The dog is menacing and shows no sign of relenting- in fact, it begins to intensify its behaviour.
4. The cops are now dealing with the original situation, a handcuffed guy, and now a dog.
5. Approximately 10 seconds go by where the cops ward off any advances, but the advances, as mentioned, are not stopping.
6. The cop shoots the dog. The first bullet seems to do very little- when watching the video, I thought the cop missed.
7. The dog is shot dead. Ugly scene for sure.

C. Afterthoughts:
1. People stating that the cop should have been patient weren't the ones being confronted by the dog. It's easy to sit back and cast judgement... but not so easy to stand there with powerful jaws in range and active.
2. The police have policies regarding how to deal with an aggressive dog. Under no circumstances are police expected to get bit before they stop an attack on themselves with force. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
3. Uncuffing a handcuffed perpetrator is counter to police policy as well. Uncuffing the owner to deal with the dog was not an option.
4. We all wish for a different outcome, but too much blame is placed on the officer and too much criticism is thrown his way for how he dealt with the situation from people afforded the opportunity to watch video and reflect while not being confronted.
5. Lost in all of this is the fact that this didn't have to happen if the owner had not acted like a punk.

All this I understand and agree, except why not taser the dog? How can none of them have a taser?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Guitar92player wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

How about you sum it up for me?

If the counter argument is the cop was attacked so he had the right to fight back, then yes, yes he did. However, he did not have to shoot the dog. I'm assuming its because the heat of the moment, understandable, but a responsible, professional cop would not kill the dog. I retract the statement "I wish him hell," but I still think he should be punished.

In short, this regrettable situation looks like this for me:

A. The Lead-Up (required for context)
1. Tense situation with multiple cars dealing with something.
2. Idiot owner past the 'other lookyloos' being obnoxious.
3. Police tell owner to get away. He becomes confrontational.
4. Officers approach. Owner puts dog in car, but not securely.
5. Owner gets cuffed and dog jumps out of car to defend owner.

B. The Confrontation
1. Dog is a 80 pound Rottweiler.
2. Rottweilers have a rich history in displaying very violent behaviours.
3. The dog is menacing and shows no sign of relenting- in fact, it begins to intensify its behaviour.
4. The cops are now dealing with the original situation, a handcuffed guy, and now a dog.
5. Approximately 10 seconds go by where the cops ward off any advances, but the advances, as mentioned, are not stopping.
6. The cop shoots the dog. The first bullet seems to do very little- when watching the video, I thought the cop missed.
7. The dog is shot dead. Ugly scene for sure.

C. Afterthoughts:
1. People stating that the cop should have been patient weren't the ones being confronted by the dog. It's easy to sit back and cast judgement... but not so easy to stand there with powerful jaws in range and active.
2. The police have policies regarding how to deal with an aggressive dog. Under no circumstances are police expected to get bit before they stop an attack on themselves with force. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
3. Uncuffing a handcuffed perpetrator is counter to police policy as well. Uncuffing the owner to deal with the dog was not an option.
4. We all wish for a different outcome, but too much blame is placed on the officer and too much criticism is thrown his way for how he dealt with the situation from people afforded the opportunity to watch video and reflect while not being confronted.
5. Lost in all of this is the fact that this didn't have to happen if the owner had not acted like a punk.

All this I understand and agree, except why not taser the dog? How can none of them have a taser?

I'm not sure, but again... we are debating tactics after the fact. The cop was being attacked by the dog. For me... if I'm the cop... I'm much more worried about my arm than I am the dog. Sorry for feeling this way, but I'd shoot the dog before having it maul me.

People are rushing to condemn this cop. It's not like he walked over to the car and shot the dog. He dealt with a tough situation in a way that seems to draw support from some and condemnation from others. If it's debatable... it can't be that wrong.

Guitar92player

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

In short, this regrettable situation looks like this for me:

A. The Lead-Up (required for context)
1. Tense situation with multiple cars dealing with something.
2. Idiot owner past the 'other lookyloos' being obnoxious.
3. Police tell owner to get away. He becomes confrontational.
4. Officers approach. Owner puts dog in car, but not securely.
5. Owner gets cuffed and dog jumps out of car to defend owner.

B. The Confrontation
1. Dog is a 80 pound Rottweiler.
2. Rottweilers have a rich history in displaying very violent behaviours.
3. The dog is menacing and shows no sign of relenting- in fact, it begins to intensify its behaviour.
4. The cops are now dealing with the original situation, a handcuffed guy, and now a dog.
5. Approximately 10 seconds go by where the cops ward off any advances, but the advances, as mentioned, are not stopping.
6. The cop shoots the dog. The first bullet seems to do very little- when watching the video, I thought the cop missed.
7. The dog is shot dead. Ugly scene for sure.

C. Afterthoughts:
1. People stating that the cop should have been patient weren't the ones being confronted by the dog. It's easy to sit back and cast judgement... but not so easy to stand there with powerful jaws in range and active.
2. The police have policies regarding how to deal with an aggressive dog. Under no circumstances are police expected to get bit before they stop an attack on themselves with force. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
3. Uncuffing a handcuffed perpetrator is counter to police policy as well. Uncuffing the owner to deal with the dog was not an option.
4. We all wish for a different outcome, but too much blame is placed on the officer and too much criticism is thrown his way for how he dealt with the situation from people afforded the opportunity to watch video and reflect while not being confronted.
5. Lost in all of this is the fact that this didn't have to happen if the owner had not acted like a punk.

All this I understand and agree, except why not taser the dog? How can none of them have a taser?

I'm not sure, but again... we are debating tactics after the fact. The cop was being attacked by the dog. For me... if I'm the cop... I'm much more worried about my arm than I am the dog. Sorry for feeling this way, but I'd shoot the dog before having it maul me.

People are rushing to condemn this cop. It's not like he walked over to the car and shot the dog. He dealt with a tough situation in a way that seems to draw support from some and condemnation from others. If it's debatable... it can't be that wrong.

Again, I understand and agree. I'm just too much of a dog lover. :roll:

That dog was killed for trying to defend and save his owner. It's just too sad.

Halifax2TheMax

Read below for what the officers in the OP may have faced with no way of knowing:

NORTH SMITHFIELD, R.I. -- A pit bull-type dog that attacked five people Thursday was fatally shot as it turned to attack two North Smithfield police officers, the police said.

Capt. Glenn G. Lamoureux said the victims, who were not identified, were caring for the dog while the owner, who lives in the downstairs apartment, went on vacation.

One of the victims called 911 around 5:30 Thursday afternoon.

When officers arrived at 835 Eddie Dowling Highway (Route 146), they found the dog in mid-attack.

"The scene was quite chaotic," Lamoureux said. People were on the ground "screaming for help."

First, Lamoureux said, the officers tried dousing the dog with pepper spray. "That didn't help. They tried kicking the dog while it was biting someone; that didn't work. Then it turned for the officers, that's when they each shot one round," killing the dog, Lamoureux said.

The five, all adults, told police they had a gathering to celebrate the Fourth of July and the dog got agitated as several people started play-wrestling, so they put the dog in the house. The dog, Lamoureux said, apparently got out twice through a window, attacking the party-goers, each time acting more aggressively.

The dog's body was turned over to the state Department of Environmental Management for "disease testing," Lamoureux said, adding the department did not appear to have any previous complaints on the dog. The police are also looking into whether the dog was licensed and up-to-date on vaccines.

No criminal charges have been filed.

http://www.providencejournal.com/breaki ... cks.ece#15

These breeds of dogs are very territorial and protective of their owners and are used in illegal dogfighting rings, which Michael Vick knows plenty about. They're also popular in hip-hop, gang and thug culture as being intimidating and protective, like a bodyguard, and are used as such. How were the officers in the OP supposed to know whether this was a dog trained to fight and be agressive when its owner is "accosted" by strangers or whether it was the type of dog that curls up with kittens and licks childrens faces, all the while making the call while its lunging for their face or forearm?

Peace.