Cops arrest man for filming, kill his dog too

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edited July 2013 in A Moving Train
More police abuse of power.


WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC. YOU CAN'T UNSEE THIS.

It is graphic, I watched it five minutes ago and my blood is still boiling. Plus I have a soft spot for Rottweilers, best dogs that exist. I tried to call the number to file a complaint but it is for a dispatcher, the correct number is

310-349-2700

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung wrote:
    More police abuse of power.

    It is graphic, I watched it five minutes ago and my blood is still boiling. Plus I have a soft spot for Rottweilers, best dogs that exist. I tried to call the number to file a complaint but it is for a dispatcher, the correct number is

    310-349-2700

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    I watched it too.

    Couple of observations:

    1. The guy went looking for trouble. He was pretty bold- basically daring the officers to deal with him. It looks as if he challenged the officers and they answered the call.

    2. The audio is muffled and we cannot hear what the exchange was. It's tough to tell whether or not there was cause or not. I know you think this was a small part of the eventual takeover... but I'm inclined to think it wasn't.

    3. Regardless of suitable cause or not... the force the officers took to subdue the guy was gentle enough.

    4. How did you want the officers to respond to the Rottweiler? Uncuff the guy and let him talk the dog down? Give it a treat and try to have it relax? The dog was going at the officers. If I'm one, I'm not going to let it bite me. Sorry man... cops have a tough job and I'm sure those guys have all had experiences with vicious dogs defending bad people.

    5. Rottweilers are not the best dogs that exist. They are far from it- especially when raised poorly. Many people have endured devastating wounds from the jaws of Rottweilers. Blame the owners if you want... but the bottom line is that these dogs can be very dangerous.

    That being said, I feel badly that the dog got put in a situation where it felt it needed to assist the hand that feeds it.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    I don't know enough about why this man is being arrested to make a comment about that.

    I have made it very clear that I am no fan of what seems to be increasing police brutality and a real disconnect between the police and civilians.

    As unfortunate as it is that a dog was killed I cant really say that I wouldn't have shot the dog if I was put in the same circumstances. It looked to me that the dog was presenting a very real danger to the police. Not the dogs fault, stupid owner as far as I could tell.
  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    It isn't very clear to me why they were arresting the man. It didn't seem to be for filming as there were plenty of people with cameras. It seemed to be for something he said?

    As to the police officer that shot the dog. He responded to the incident and wasn't one of the officers who made the decision to handcuff the man with the dog.

    For him, he was simply protecting himself and the other officers from a large dog.

    Terrible, terrible event, but I don't find the officer who shot the dog to be out of line.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Wilds wrote:
    For him, he was simply protecting himself and the other officers from a large dog.

    Terrible, terrible event, but I don't find the officer who shot the dog to be out of line.
    I think this is what it comes down to. I adore (most) dogs but from what I saw of him charging, what else could be done in that split-second?
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    That man must have annoyed the police.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Good enough reason to lock him up and kill his dog. And yeah they could have allowed him to secure it. Hopefully people get fired at a minimum.

    What I don't get is why he was willing to be arrested and leave the dog in the car. Was it going to just stay there and wait for his release? He is to blame as well but this screams abuse of power.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung wrote:
    Good enough reason to lock him up and kill his dog. And yeah they could have allowed him to secure it. Hopefully people get fired at a minimum.

    What I don't get is why he was willing to be arrested and leave the dog in the car. Was it going to just stay there and wait for his release? He is to blame as well but this screams abuse of power.

    Why don't you wait for the whole story before condemning these officers, Unsung?

    Fired at a minimum? So... what would you suggest the maximum be then?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I need to know more about what preceded / warranted his arrest.

    As to the dog...in the car, windows open - have to be as we're getting slammed hard with heat - but, he's unsecured. Leashed, but no one holding the leash. And ACTING LIKE A DOG. One loyal to its owner. I completely understand that.

    Seems it all went down too fast to claim abuse of power, though. The act itself of shooting the dog strikes me as valid, in that moment...given what I've seen.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Good enough reason to lock him up and kill his dog. And yeah they could have allowed him to secure it. Hopefully people get fired at a minimum.

    What I don't get is why he was willing to be arrested and leave the dog in the car. Was it going to just stay there and wait for his release? He is to blame as well but this screams abuse of power.

    Why don't you wait for the whole story before condemning these officers, Unsung?

    Fired at a minimum? So... what would you suggest the maximum be then?


    What story should I wait for? I condemn them because the man could have been allowed to secure the dog. I condemn them because they could have used non-lethal force. The dog was in the car barking, they knew it was there. It's more abuse by thugs that think because they have a gun and a badge they can do these things.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    unsung wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Good enough reason to lock him up and kill his dog. And yeah they could have allowed him to secure it. Hopefully people get fired at a minimum.

    What I don't get is why he was willing to be arrested and leave the dog in the car. Was it going to just stay there and wait for his release? He is to blame as well but this screams abuse of power.

    Why don't you wait for the whole story before condemning these officers, Unsung?

    Fired at a minimum? So... what would you suggest the maximum be then?


    What story should I wait for? I condemn them because the man could have been allowed to secure the dog. I condemn them because they could have used non-lethal force. The dog was in the car barking, they knew it was there. It's more abuse by thugs that think because they have a gun and a badge they can do these things.

    I'd have to agree with hedonist on this one. It all happened so fast. His dog was not secure and it came at those officers as if it was going to attack. That dog couldve done some serious damage. I wouldnt have shot the dog, but I dont think the guy should lose his job.

    But, what I find more questionable was why did they detain the man with the dog? I think in some places, it is illegal to film law enforcement (stupid law), but did they need to cuff him? I'm not even sure the guy was being arrested as much as they were detaining him.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Good enough reason to lock him up and kill his dog. And yeah they could have allowed him to secure it. Hopefully people get fired at a minimum.

    What I don't get is why he was willing to be arrested and leave the dog in the car. Was it going to just stay there and wait for his release? He is to blame as well but this screams abuse of power.

    Why don't you wait for the whole story before condemning these officers, Unsung?

    Fired at a minimum? So... what would you suggest the maximum be then?


    What story should I wait for? I condemn them because the man could have been allowed to secure the dog. I condemn them because they could have used non-lethal force. The dog was in the car barking, they knew it was there. It's more abuse by thugs that think because they have a gun and a badge they can do these things.

    So you think the cops should have uncuffed the guy to allow him to subdue the dog? Maybe take it back into the car? Maybe reach for the weapon in the back seat as he does and then shoot someone? Do you think this might have the potential to become a story of a bunch of dumb policemen that performed their duties really poorly and someone got killed because of it?

    You are waaaaaaay off base here. This is another reach for you, Unsung.
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    They should have been human beings first and cops second, but that's too much to expect now a days.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    Could the dog have been taken down with a taser or other non-lethal means? Or was there no time? I am flying blind because I know I will be haunted if I watch the clip.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Who can tell from watching the video?

    ANyone here know why they cuffed the guy?


    But, the guy had a dangerous animal that he didn't secure. The cops didn't shoot the dog right away, it wasn't the first lunge/attack.

    I'm not a huge cop fan and I certainly question the handcuffing, but as for the dog, it is an unfortunate thing, but the shooting looks to be justified. Now...if the 2 cops that cuffed the guy were abusing their power, they could be potentially liable for the dog being killed.

    Honestly, I'm tired of cops abusing their power and just being stupid. But I'm also tired of people having dangerous dogs as pets. Saying how great they are until the one day they just happen to bite someone's face off.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    JimmyV wrote:
    Could the dog have been taken down with a taser or other non-lethal means? Or was there no time? I am flying blind because I know I will be haunted if I watch the clip.


    Don't watch it. It's bothered me since yesterday.

    They had time, they knew the dog was there. They could have done many other things before shooting it.

    And they could have allowed the guy to secure it, he was willingly standing there in the first place and could have grabbed a gun when he first put the dog it the car. But guess what, he didn't. He did what the police masters told him to.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Who can tell from watching the video?

    ANyone here know why they cuffed the guy?


    But, the guy had a dangerous animal that he didn't secure. The cops didn't shoot the dog right away, it wasn't the first lunge/attack.

    I'm not a huge cop fan and I certainly question the handcuffing, but as for the dog, it is an unfortunate thing, but the shooting looks to be justified. Now...if the 2 cops that cuffed the guy were abusing their power, they could be potentially liable for the dog being killed.

    Honestly, I'm tired of cops abusing their power and just being stupid. But I'm also tired of people having dangerous dogs as pets. Saying how great they are until the one day they just happen to bite someone's face off.


    What makes a dog dangerous?
  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    unsung wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Who can tell from watching the video?

    ANyone here know why they cuffed the guy?


    But, the guy had a dangerous animal that he didn't secure. The cops didn't shoot the dog right away, it wasn't the first lunge/attack.

    I'm not a huge cop fan and I certainly question the handcuffing, but as for the dog, it is an unfortunate thing, but the shooting looks to be justified. Now...if the 2 cops that cuffed the guy were abusing their power, they could be potentially liable for the dog being killed.

    Honestly, I'm tired of cops abusing their power and just being stupid. But I'm also tired of people having dangerous dogs as pets. Saying how great they are until the one day they just happen to bite someone's face off.


    What makes a dog dangerous?

    Teeth and a willingness to use them.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    So basically all of them. Good to know.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    unsung wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Who can tell from watching the video?

    ANyone here know why they cuffed the guy?


    But, the guy had a dangerous animal that he didn't secure. The cops didn't shoot the dog right away, it wasn't the first lunge/attack.

    I'm not a huge cop fan and I certainly question the handcuffing, but as for the dog, it is an unfortunate thing, but the shooting looks to be justified. Now...if the 2 cops that cuffed the guy were abusing their power, they could be potentially liable for the dog being killed.

    Honestly, I'm tired of cops abusing their power and just being stupid. But I'm also tired of people having dangerous dogs as pets. Saying how great they are until the one day they just happen to bite someone's face off.


    What makes a dog dangerous?

    Generally the owners.

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