Cops arrest man for filming, kill his dog too
unsung
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More police abuse of power.
WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC. YOU CAN'T UNSEE THIS.
It is graphic, I watched it five minutes ago and my blood is still boiling. Plus I have a soft spot for Rottweilers, best dogs that exist. I tried to call the number to file a complaint but it is for a dispatcher, the correct number is
310-349-2700
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/polic ... ording-it/
WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC. YOU CAN'T UNSEE THIS.
It is graphic, I watched it five minutes ago and my blood is still boiling. Plus I have a soft spot for Rottweilers, best dogs that exist. I tried to call the number to file a complaint but it is for a dispatcher, the correct number is
310-349-2700
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/polic ... ording-it/
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I watched it too.
Couple of observations:
1. The guy went looking for trouble. He was pretty bold- basically daring the officers to deal with him. It looks as if he challenged the officers and they answered the call.
2. The audio is muffled and we cannot hear what the exchange was. It's tough to tell whether or not there was cause or not. I know you think this was a small part of the eventual takeover... but I'm inclined to think it wasn't.
3. Regardless of suitable cause or not... the force the officers took to subdue the guy was gentle enough.
4. How did you want the officers to respond to the Rottweiler? Uncuff the guy and let him talk the dog down? Give it a treat and try to have it relax? The dog was going at the officers. If I'm one, I'm not going to let it bite me. Sorry man... cops have a tough job and I'm sure those guys have all had experiences with vicious dogs defending bad people.
5. Rottweilers are not the best dogs that exist. They are far from it- especially when raised poorly. Many people have endured devastating wounds from the jaws of Rottweilers. Blame the owners if you want... but the bottom line is that these dogs can be very dangerous.
That being said, I feel badly that the dog got put in a situation where it felt it needed to assist the hand that feeds it.
I have made it very clear that I am no fan of what seems to be increasing police brutality and a real disconnect between the police and civilians.
As unfortunate as it is that a dog was killed I cant really say that I wouldn't have shot the dog if I was put in the same circumstances. It looked to me that the dog was presenting a very real danger to the police. Not the dogs fault, stupid owner as far as I could tell.
As to the police officer that shot the dog. He responded to the incident and wasn't one of the officers who made the decision to handcuff the man with the dog.
For him, he was simply protecting himself and the other officers from a large dog.
Terrible, terrible event, but I don't find the officer who shot the dog to be out of line.
What I don't get is why he was willing to be arrested and leave the dog in the car. Was it going to just stay there and wait for his release? He is to blame as well but this screams abuse of power.
Why don't you wait for the whole story before condemning these officers, Unsung?
Fired at a minimum? So... what would you suggest the maximum be then?
As to the dog...in the car, windows open - have to be as we're getting slammed hard with heat - but, he's unsecured. Leashed, but no one holding the leash. And ACTING LIKE A DOG. One loyal to its owner. I completely understand that.
Seems it all went down too fast to claim abuse of power, though. The act itself of shooting the dog strikes me as valid, in that moment...given what I've seen.
What story should I wait for? I condemn them because the man could have been allowed to secure the dog. I condemn them because they could have used non-lethal force. The dog was in the car barking, they knew it was there. It's more abuse by thugs that think because they have a gun and a badge they can do these things.
I'd have to agree with hedonist on this one. It all happened so fast. His dog was not secure and it came at those officers as if it was going to attack. That dog couldve done some serious damage. I wouldnt have shot the dog, but I dont think the guy should lose his job.
But, what I find more questionable was why did they detain the man with the dog? I think in some places, it is illegal to film law enforcement (stupid law), but did they need to cuff him? I'm not even sure the guy was being arrested as much as they were detaining him.
So you think the cops should have uncuffed the guy to allow him to subdue the dog? Maybe take it back into the car? Maybe reach for the weapon in the back seat as he does and then shoot someone? Do you think this might have the potential to become a story of a bunch of dumb policemen that performed their duties really poorly and someone got killed because of it?
You are waaaaaaay off base here. This is another reach for you, Unsung.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
ANyone here know why they cuffed the guy?
But, the guy had a dangerous animal that he didn't secure. The cops didn't shoot the dog right away, it wasn't the first lunge/attack.
I'm not a huge cop fan and I certainly question the handcuffing, but as for the dog, it is an unfortunate thing, but the shooting looks to be justified. Now...if the 2 cops that cuffed the guy were abusing their power, they could be potentially liable for the dog being killed.
Honestly, I'm tired of cops abusing their power and just being stupid. But I'm also tired of people having dangerous dogs as pets. Saying how great they are until the one day they just happen to bite someone's face off.
Don't watch it. It's bothered me since yesterday.
They had time, they knew the dog was there. They could have done many other things before shooting it.
And they could have allowed the guy to secure it, he was willingly standing there in the first place and could have grabbed a gun when he first put the dog it the car. But guess what, he didn't. He did what the police masters told him to.
What makes a dog dangerous?
Teeth and a willingness to use them.
Generally the owners.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95747 ... dMPIJM4vqM
Many unanswered questions so far and I hope more comes to light.
One thing for sure is that the poor animal was (for lack of a better term) innocent...yet, I can only imagine what he would've done to the cop(s) putting his master in perceived danger.
If you see a bunch of cop cars and cops with their guns drawn...
1. Don't stop your car and leave your stereo blasting... in fact, don't park your car anywhere and leave the stereo blasting. We don't want to hear your favorite music blasting in our ears. Total douchebag move.
2. Don't get in the line of fire during an armed standoff between police and robbery suspects. If you want to make the Darwin Awards, then okay. Just don't complain about it.
3. DO... Comply with police orders. Sure, you have a right to public streets... but, your rights do not extend into a police secured perimeter. The area secured by the police during a situation is closed to the public... think of it sort of like you can't go into a Public Library when it is closed. You can wait til it's open again and go in.
4. Most importantly... don't fuck with the cops. Seriously... DON'T fuck with the cops. I don't care what you feel about them, just don't fuck with them. My reasoning is the same way I feel about feeding bears in the wild by holding a piece of raw steak in my teeth. I don't do it. I'm not an idiot... you shouldn't be one, too.
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The whole thing could have been avoided by...
Just driving by and continued home to catch it on the local news.
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Also... the dog was in the car... and jumped out of the window. You can raise the windows to the point where the dog can still breathe, but cannot get out. That would have been a good idea.
Hail, Hail!!!
On June 30, 2013, at approximately 5:44pm, Officers from the Hawthorne Police Department responded to a residence in regard to an armed robbery - gun used -- which occurred to two individuals inside of a home. Upon arrival, Officers engaged several subjects involved in the robbery, who quickly barricaded themselves in the home and refused orders to come out. Officers used several resources, including the Department's armored tactical vehicle and a loud-speaker vehicle, in an attempt to communicate and bring the incident to safe resolution. After an approximate one hour and forty-five minute standoff, the individuals surrendered from teahouse and the suspect responsible for the robbery was identified and arrested.
During this evolving critical incident and the extraction of suspects from the home, Officers containing the location were interfered with by an individual. This interference included loud, distracting music (from the individual's vehicle), and his intentional walking within close proximity to armed Officers, while holding an 80-pound Rottweiler on a long leash-line. These acts, in totality, created an increasingly dangerous situation and demanded officers' focus away from the matter at hand. By comparison, numerous citizens were filming similarly as the suspect, but from a safe distance and compliant to Officers' regards.
Once all parties to the original robbery incident were apprehended, two officers approached this suspect to address the violation(s) of law. Just prior to approach, the suspect placed his dog back into his car, but did not close the windows. AS the suspect was being taken into custody, his Rottweiler became agitated and jumped out of the car, approaching the officers who were making the arrest. An assisting officer came to aid and attempted to control the Rottweiler, first by gaining control of the leash. However, the dog lunged and made aggressive movements towards the officer(s). Fearing that the attacking Rottweiler would imminently bite the officer(s), one officer fired his duty weapon several times, striking and killing the dog. The suspect, later identified as Leon Rosby, was arrested and booked at the Hawthorne Police Department Jail for 'Interference with Officer(s)'.
The Hawthorne Police Department is conducting a comprehensive investigation into the actions of each party, our Officers, and to ensure appropriate adherence to our Department polices and procedures. Additionally, the Department is truly sensitive to the invariable loss of the dog in this incident.
The Hawthorne Police Department asks that if any personal video taken by citizens present at the incident is wiling to be shared in our Investigation, please contact us.
Hail, Hail!!!
It sounds to me as if you would have preferred the cop to get mauled instead of the dog getting shot. The dog lunged at them and circled them multiple times and showed no sign of easing of its advances.
The owner should have had its dog confined in the car knowing full well that the cops were advancing towards him. This guy tempted fate daring the cops to deal with him and then with his dog.
And, in this case, he never did get a gun... but cops have a protocol to deal with people: once in cuffs you are not released from cuffs until back at the station. If... IF... they had released the guy and the scenario I painted for you DID happen... bad on them.
Get real, man. Seriously.
Size for one. A Chihuahua cannot inflict a bite wound like a Rottweiler can. The breed is dangerous. Are you seriously trying to deny this?
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In this specific case, the dog owner holds a large part of the responsibility and accountability for the actions that lead to the death of his dog. Basically, the dog lost his life because his owner was acting like an idiot.
Had the dog owner not decided to use this inappropriate opportunity (an armed standoff) to an inquiry as to why there are not black officers on duty... while his favorite music was blasting from his car stereo... he would be taking his beloved dog for a walk today.
Hail, Hail!!!
Did you watch the video?
The cops thwarted the dog's attempts 4-5 times before they took aim and fired.
For pete's sakes people... cops have a tough job to do. They are at risk every minute of their job. The situation they were in was tense to begin with and now they have to deal with an 80 pound menacing Rottweiler lunging at them... and you are suggesting they needed to be dog whisperers.
I'm not going to agree with you when you say the guy was just itching to shoot something. The dog was doing what a dog of that breed does (trying to protect its owner) and the cop was doing what he needed to do (protect himself). The idiot owner caused the problem- stop blaming the cops for shooting the dog to save themselves from getting bit.
Are we seriously that far gone that we would expect a cop to exhaust all peaceful options before using deadly force to stop the advances of a vicious dog? If it was attacking a kid... would you expect the same gentle cooing in the ear approach before using a gun? Or would you want the officer to shoot the dog before the kid was mauled?
The amount of respect shown for policemen on this forum is reaching new depths. Makes me wonder why anyone would ever want to do it. They cannot win.
i'd like to say that pointing a camera or anything at cops that are at a distance (or even closeby) isn't to bright. remember when boston had the police swat teams & shit searching homes street by street & there's a famous photo of a person upstairs in a home pointing a camera/recorder at a cop in a hum-v who is in return aiming his gun at the individual?
that man's dog would still be alive if that man only stayed in his car recording rather than get all up in the cops' business
that is one sad ass story but god dammit the dog went for the cop(s). ever have a rot bite or ass? it would be devastating. none of those cops will be fired
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