Cops arrest man for filming, kill his dog too

josevolution

The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...

PJ_Soul

josevolution wrote:

The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...

I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.

And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.

BinauralJam

It looks to me that the officer who shot the dog steps forward and tries to grab the leash/handle and then the dog lunged, why would you try and grab the leash? that's not going to stop the dog. There was one move to make, immediately let the owner subdue his dog, but since they had started his arrest it was inconceivable to them to do so( because they have to be in total control of a situation), a man who offered absolutely no resistance, instead he got scared and blew the dog away.

PJ_Soul

BinauralJam wrote:

It looks to me that the officer who shot the dog steps forward and tries to grab the leash/handle and then the dog lunged, why would you try and grab the leash? that's not going to stop the dog. There was one move to make, immediately let the owner subdue his dog, but since they had started his arrest it was inconceivable to them to do so( because they have to be in total control of a situation), a man who offered absolutely no resistance, instead he got scared and blew the dog away.

Exactly. I can't believe the cops wouldn't just let the owner step forward like he tried to do and calm his dog down. It would have been so simple. They didn't even need to uncuff him for that.

josevolution

PJ_Soul wrote:

josevolution wrote:

The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...

I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.

And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.

I'm saying hi's an idiot because all he had to do was drive past the whole scene just keep it moving away from the area maybe park the car down the road and then walk back to film , how is it that someone else filmed the scene and that person didn't get arrested to me he made some poor decisions, not saying the dog deserved the bullets but the man def didn't use good judgement around the police ...

PJ_Soul

josevolution wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

josevolution wrote:

The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...

I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.

And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.

I'm saying hi's an idiot because all he had to do was drive past the whole scene just keep it moving away from the area maybe park the car down the road and then walk back to film , how is it that someone else filmed the scene and that person didn't get arrested to me he made some poor decisions, not saying the dog deserved the bullets but the man def didn't use good judgement around the police ...

I dunno... sounds like the other person was a white woman, and he's a black man. Maybe that had something to with it. Crazier things have happened. Or maybe because she was across the street, and he wasn't. But no one deserves to get cuffed (and then have their dog shot) because they decided to stop and film some cops on a public sidewalk that was not cordoned off with police tape, which is a completely legal thing to do. And it doesn't matter what was said. It's not illegal to talk unless he threatened the life of the cops, which I seriously doubt.

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

I totally agree. As I said before, next time it could be a 12 year old with a water gun or something. Cop was too quick to shoot, and that is scary.

a 12 yr old pulls a water gun out of their pants & waves it around in the direction of police & it is on. that is one stupid fucking kid & very possibly will be wearing a bullet or two in his young ass.

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I totally agree. As I said before, next time it could be a 12 year old with a water gun or something. Cop was too quick to shoot, and that is scary.

a 12 yr old pulls a water gun out of your pants & waves it around in the direction of police & it is on. that is one stupid fucking kid & very possibly will be wearing a bullet or two in his young ass.

:fp: I think you're missing the point!

BinauralJam

josevolution wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

josevolution wrote:

The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...

I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.

And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.

I'm saying hi's an idiot because all he had to do was drive past the whole scene just keep it moving away from the area maybe park the car down the road and then walk back to film , how is it that someone else filmed the scene and that person didn't get arrested to me he made some poor decisions, not saying the dog deserved the bullets but the man def didn't use good judgement around the police ...

From Unsung's post on page 3 : http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/02/prweb1946004.htm

The Hawthorne Police Department paid One Million Dollars to a Settle Lawsuit in which it was alleged a man was kicked in the face while handcuffed and then falsely prosecuted along with his wife to cover up the brutality. Evidence the plaintiffs were prepared to present at trial included a photograph of an officer appearing to kick the handcuffed plaintiff in the face and a surveillance video allegedly depicting officers high-fiving each other as the injured plaintiff suffered from a broken jaw.


Same Cop, this is why the guy and a bunch of people in that neighborhood were filming the cops, it's the only protection a citizen has now a days. How much abuse can a community take before they say collectivly say enough.
Who would have believed Rodney Kings' story if there wasn't a video?

PJ_Soul

BinauralJam wrote:

josevolution wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.

And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.

I'm saying hi's an idiot because all he had to do was drive past the whole scene just keep it moving away from the area maybe park the car down the road and then walk back to film , how is it that someone else filmed the scene and that person didn't get arrested to me he made some poor decisions, not saying the dog deserved the bullets but the man def didn't use good judgement around the police ...

From Unsung's post on page 3 : http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/02/prweb1946004.htm

The Hawthorne Police Department paid One Million Dollars to a Settle Lawsuit in which it was alleged a man was kicked in the face while handcuffed and then falsely prosecuted along with his wife to cover up the brutality. Evidence the plaintiffs were prepared to present at trial included a photograph of an officer appearing to kick the handcuffed plaintiff in the face and a surveillance video allegedly depicting officers high-fiving each other as the injured plaintiff suffered from a broken jaw.


Same Cop, this is why the guy and a bunch of people in that neighborhood were filming the cops, it's the only protection a citizen has now a days. How much abuse can a community take before they say collectivly say enough.
Who would have believed Rodney Kings' story if there wasn't a video?

Exactly. I always wonder why people would try to dissuade people from filming cops.

chadwick

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I watched it a few times in slow-mo. and here's a still form what appears the first shot. I dont think I misinterpreted anything. To me, the dog was clearly lunging, and shot when it was up on its back legs coming at the officer. Go back and watch it, and pause as the dog lunges...
But you all raise another good point - there are WAY too many people standing all around for this guy to even fire ONE shot. He could've easily hit a bystander too - as I noticed there were folks on the other side of the fences and all along the sidewalk.

all those bystanders could be labeled stupid shits. also, why why why why & again why why why did the dog guy have to get all up in the cops' zone recording his ass off? also, the rot being placed in a car with windows completely lowered. the guy is irresponsible, not to bright, nosey & quite carefree as many spectators tend to be. i am not shocked by his behavior & his lack of forethought

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

chadwick wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I totally agree. As I said before, next time it could be a 12 year old with a water gun or something. Cop was too quick to shoot, and that is scary.

a 12 yr old pulls a water gun out of your pants & waves it around in the direction of police & it is on. that is one stupid fucking kid & very possibly will be wearing a bullet or two in his young ass.

:fp: I think you're missing the point!

no im not

josevolution

I totally agree on the filming of cops but i still maintain the dog owner could of used better judgement ....

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

I certainly do not assume that police officers' perceptions are the ones to necessarily be trusted when other people are weighing in! It sounds like you do?? If there is disagreement, trust the actions of the cops? I can't remember where you're from, but in Vancouver, I think it is now instinct to NOT trust the perceptions of the cops in these kinds of situations because they fuck up and show excessive force so often. I think it's safer for society when considering these kinds of incidents to NOT give the cops the benefit of the doubt. I am no cop hater. But I know there are a lot of issues with the actions of some cops, and systemic problems within police forces.

But really, I just can't stop imagining what would have happened if some tweeker had been showing the same level of aggression with this cop. Bullet to the head? I have no reason to believe otherwise.

a squirrely ass tweeker is by far easier to handle than a full grown rot. a tweeker coming at cops would get pepper sprayed or simply jacked in thre mouth or be wearing a baton upside his brilliant skull. a full on rot lunge is not the lunge of a tweeking dipshit

Cosmo

PJ_Soul wrote:

josevolution wrote:

The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...

I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.

And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.

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From the videotape, both windows on the driver's side are fully down. From the 3:03 mark, you can see the dog is barking through a fully opened passenger side rear window. The dog did not have to squeeze through anything, the widow was fully opened.
The guy might have had all of his windows down, so the turned up music would be a distraction. You can hear the music blarring while the video is being shot.
He probably knew exactly what he was doing... creating a disturbance to drawn the attention of the on scene police.
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A prudent civilian would have just driven past... maybe rubber neck for a few seconds... then, be on their merry way. The man put his animal in a bad situation and the dog paid for his owner's lack of sense with his life.
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Again... Basic Life Lesson Number One: Don't fuck with the cops!

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

Exactly. I always wonder why people would try to dissuade people from filming cops.

keep one's distance & film away & keep a full grown rottweiler in one's yard, in one's car (windows ajar but not fully down) or wherever that isn't near a police investigation, stand off, hostage situation or what have you. getting all up in (a blocked off street) cops' asses is stupid

BinauralJam

To be honest it's hard for me to be objective here, i'm a dog lover and this was heart breaking, i went home and played with my bull dog for 3 hours last night.

josevolution

BinauralJam wrote:

To be honest it's hard for me to be objective here, i'm a dog lover and this was heart breaking, i went home and played with my bull dog for 3 hours last night.

Me too but at least you & i would never put our pets in a situation where he could be harmed or killed no ? at least i hope you wouldn't ...

Cosmo

BinauralJam wrote:

To be honest it's hard for me to be objective here, i'm a dog lover and this was heart breaking, i went home and played with my bull dog for 3 hours last night.

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Totally agree. I love animals... well, except the ones that end up in my sandwiches, but those are the ugly animals, like cows and chickens.
But cats and dogs... and most other animals, love them. It's not the cats and dogs that are the problems... it's the people.
This is a perfect example of a person making a series of several bad decisions and his pet paying for the consequences.
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Oh, and pidgeons. Not a big fan of the pidgeon... the city pidgeon.

chadwick

assholes been killing elephants, rhinoceros, gorillas & other beasts forever as well as sharks for shark fin soup. what is my point? humans are assholes.

312 billion (or trillion) majestic beasts lost to murder - 1 rottweiler lost because the guy feeding him isn't fully capable of thought out ideas, plans & actions to safeguard his four legged pal

does this make sense?