The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...
I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.
And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It looks to me that the officer who shot the dog steps forward and tries to grab the leash/handle and then the dog lunged, why would you try and grab the leash? that's not going to stop the dog. There was one move to make, immediately let the owner subdue his dog, but since they had started his arrest it was inconceivable to them to do so( because they have to be in total control of a situation), a man who offered absolutely no resistance, instead he got scared and blew the dog away.
It looks to me that the officer who shot the dog steps forward and tries to grab the leash/handle and then the dog lunged, why would you try and grab the leash? that's not going to stop the dog. There was one move to make, immediately let the owner subdue his dog, but since they had started his arrest it was inconceivable to them to do so( because they have to be in total control of a situation), a man who offered absolutely no resistance, instead he got scared and blew the dog away.
Exactly. I can't believe the cops wouldn't just let the owner step forward like he tried to do and calm his dog down. It would have been so simple. They didn't even need to uncuff him for that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...
I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.
And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.
I'm saying hi's an idiot because all he had to do was drive past the whole scene just keep it moving away from the area maybe park the car down the road and then walk back to film , how is it that someone else filmed the scene and that person didn't get arrested to me he made some poor decisions, not saying the dog deserved the bullets but the man def didn't use good judgement around the police ...
The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...
I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.
And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.
I'm saying hi's an idiot because all he had to do was drive past the whole scene just keep it moving away from the area maybe park the car down the road and then walk back to film , how is it that someone else filmed the scene and that person didn't get arrested to me he made some poor decisions, not saying the dog deserved the bullets but the man def didn't use good judgement around the police ...
I dunno... sounds like the other person was a white woman, and he's a black man. Maybe that had something to with it. Crazier things have happened. Or maybe because she was across the street, and he wasn't. But no one deserves to get cuffed (and then have their dog shot) because they decided to stop and film some cops on a public sidewalk that was not cordoned off with police tape, which is a completely legal thing to do. And it doesn't matter what was said. It's not illegal to talk unless he threatened the life of the cops, which I seriously doubt.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I totally agree. As I said before, next time it could be a 12 year old with a water gun or something. Cop was too quick to shoot, and that is scary.
a 12 yr old pulls a water gun out of their pants & waves it around in the direction of police & it is on. that is one stupid fucking kid & very possibly will be wearing a bullet or two in his young ass.
I totally agree. As I said before, next time it could be a 12 year old with a water gun or something. Cop was too quick to shoot, and that is scary.
a 12 yr old pulls a water gun out of your pants & waves it around in the direction of police & it is on. that is one stupid fucking kid & very possibly will be wearing a bullet or two in his young ass.
:fp: I think you're missing the point!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...
I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.
And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.
I'm saying hi's an idiot because all he had to do was drive past the whole scene just keep it moving away from the area maybe park the car down the road and then walk back to film , how is it that someone else filmed the scene and that person didn't get arrested to me he made some poor decisions, not saying the dog deserved the bullets but the man def didn't use good judgement around the police ...
The Hawthorne Police Department paid One Million Dollars to a Settle Lawsuit in which it was alleged a man was kicked in the face while handcuffed and then falsely prosecuted along with his wife to cover up the brutality. Evidence the plaintiffs were prepared to present at trial included a photograph of an officer appearing to kick the handcuffed plaintiff in the face and a surveillance video allegedly depicting officers high-fiving each other as the injured plaintiff suffered from a broken jaw.
Same Cop, this is why the guy and a bunch of people in that neighborhood were filming the cops, it's the only protection a citizen has now a days. How much abuse can a community take before they say collectivly say enough.
Who would have believed Rodney Kings' story if there wasn't a video?
I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.
And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.
I'm saying hi's an idiot because all he had to do was drive past the whole scene just keep it moving away from the area maybe park the car down the road and then walk back to film , how is it that someone else filmed the scene and that person didn't get arrested to me he made some poor decisions, not saying the dog deserved the bullets but the man def didn't use good judgement around the police ...
The Hawthorne Police Department paid One Million Dollars to a Settle Lawsuit in which it was alleged a man was kicked in the face while handcuffed and then falsely prosecuted along with his wife to cover up the brutality. Evidence the plaintiffs were prepared to present at trial included a photograph of an officer appearing to kick the handcuffed plaintiff in the face and a surveillance video allegedly depicting officers high-fiving each other as the injured plaintiff suffered from a broken jaw.
Same Cop, this is why the guy and a bunch of people in that neighborhood were filming the cops, it's the only protection a citizen has now a days. How much abuse can a community take before they say collectivly say enough.
Who would have believed Rodney Kings' story if there wasn't a video?
Exactly. I always wonder why people would try to dissuade people from filming cops.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I watched it a few times in slow-mo. and here's a still form what appears the first shot. I dont think I misinterpreted anything. To me, the dog was clearly lunging, and shot when it was up on its back legs coming at the officer. Go back and watch it, and pause as the dog lunges...
But you all raise another good point - there are WAY too many people standing all around for this guy to even fire ONE shot. He could've easily hit a bystander too - as I noticed there were folks on the other side of the fences and all along the sidewalk.
all those bystanders could be labeled stupid shits. also, why why why why & again why why why did the dog guy have to get all up in the cops' zone recording his ass off? also, the rot being placed in a car with windows completely lowered. the guy is irresponsible, not to bright, nosey & quite carefree as many spectators tend to be. i am not shocked by his behavior & his lack of forethought
I totally agree. As I said before, next time it could be a 12 year old with a water gun or something. Cop was too quick to shoot, and that is scary.
a 12 yr old pulls a water gun out of your pants & waves it around in the direction of police & it is on. that is one stupid fucking kid & very possibly will be wearing a bullet or two in his young ass.
I certainly do not assume that police officers' perceptions are the ones to necessarily be trusted when other people are weighing in! It sounds like you do?? If there is disagreement, trust the actions of the cops? I can't remember where you're from, but in Vancouver, I think it is now instinct to NOT trust the perceptions of the cops in these kinds of situations because they fuck up and show excessive force so often. I think it's safer for society when considering these kinds of incidents to NOT give the cops the benefit of the doubt. I am no cop hater. But I know there are a lot of issues with the actions of some cops, and systemic problems within police forces.
But really, I just can't stop imagining what would have happened if some tweeker had been showing the same level of aggression with this cop. Bullet to the head? I have no reason to believe otherwise.
a squirrely ass tweeker is by far easier to handle than a full grown rot. a tweeker coming at cops would get pepper sprayed or simply jacked in thre mouth or be wearing a baton upside his brilliant skull. a full on rot lunge is not the lunge of a tweeking dipshit
The blame should all be on the dogs owner the guys is an idiot lets at least agree on that no ...
I don't agree with that. He put the dog in the car, which was a responsible thing to do. He made a major MISTAKE by assuming that the dog wouldn't get out the half-closed window. He probably didn't realize the dog could fit through it, because the dog had never done anything like that before. I don't think that's idiotic. Just a mistake. And I would encourage people to film cops as often as possible if they want to.
And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.
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From the videotape, both windows on the driver's side are fully down. From the 3:03 mark, you can see the dog is barking through a fully opened passenger side rear window. The dog did not have to squeeze through anything, the widow was fully opened.
The guy might have had all of his windows down, so the turned up music would be a distraction. You can hear the music blarring while the video is being shot.
He probably knew exactly what he was doing... creating a disturbance to drawn the attention of the on scene police.
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A prudent civilian would have just driven past... maybe rubber neck for a few seconds... then, be on their merry way. The man put his animal in a bad situation and the dog paid for his owner's lack of sense with his life.
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Again... Basic Life Lesson Number One: Don't fuck with the cops!
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Exactly. I always wonder why people would try to dissuade people from filming cops.
keep one's distance & film away & keep a full grown rottweiler in one's yard, in one's car (windows ajar but not fully down) or wherever that isn't near a police investigation, stand off, hostage situation or what have you. getting all up in (a blocked off street) cops' asses is stupid
To be honest it's hard for me to be objective here, i'm a dog lover and this was heart breaking, i went home and played with my bull dog for 3 hours last night.
To be honest it's hard for me to be objective here, i'm a dog lover and this was heart breaking, i went home and played with my bull dog for 3 hours last night.
Me too but at least you & i would never put our pets in a situation where he could be harmed or killed no ? at least i hope you wouldn't ...
To be honest it's hard for me to be objective here, i'm a dog lover and this was heart breaking, i went home and played with my bull dog for 3 hours last night.
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Totally agree. I love animals... well, except the ones that end up in my sandwiches, but those are the ugly animals, like cows and chickens.
But cats and dogs... and most other animals, love them. It's not the cats and dogs that are the problems... it's the people.
This is a perfect example of a person making a series of several bad decisions and his pet paying for the consequences.
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Oh, and pidgeons. Not a big fan of the pidgeon... the city pidgeon.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
assholes been killing elephants, rhinoceros, gorillas & other beasts forever as well as sharks for shark fin soup. what is my point? humans are assholes.
312 billion (or trillion) majestic beasts lost to murder - 1 rottweiler lost because the guy feeding him isn't fully capable of thought out ideas, plans & actions to safeguard his four legged pal
Exactly. I always wonder why people would try to dissuade people from filming cops.
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I'm certain that there are other videos of this incident out there.
In this specific case, it was not the act of filming the incident, it was the manner that this particular individual was acting in that created this situation. He was yelling at the cops about not having any black cops on scene... his car was blasting out the crappy music... his being the ONLY civilian that was in the perimeter (the other on lookers were outside the, across the street).
Sometimes, when we act like assholes... we have to pay for acting like assholes. The tragedy being, the poor dog paid this idiot's bill.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
assholes been killing elephants, rhinoceros, gorillas & other beasts forever as well as sharks for shark fin soup. what is my point? humans are assholes.
312 billion (or trillion) majestic beasts lost to murder - 1 rottweiler lost because the guy feeding him isn't fully capable of thought out ideas, plans & actions to safeguard his four legged pal
does this make sense?
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I read about a guy that caught a rare 40 pound Rock Fish of the coast of Seattle. The fish was estimated to be 200 years old.
The fish lived to be 200 years old... til this guy caught him and killed him to be a decoration on his wall until the wife makes him take it down next year and it ends up in the garage fro a few years and eventually ends up in the city dump.
Moral: Let the fucking fish live... asshole.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
assholes been killing elephants, rhinoceros, gorillas & other beasts forever as well as sharks for shark fin soup. what is my point? humans are assholes.
312 billion (or trillion) majestic beasts lost to murder - 1 rottweiler lost because the guy feeding him isn't fully capable of thought out ideas, plans & actions to safeguard his four legged pal
does this make sense?
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I read about a guy that caught a rare 40 pound Rock Fish of the coast of Seattle. The fish was estimated to be 200 years old.
The fish lived to be 200 years old... til this guy caught him and killed him to be a decoration on his wall until the wife makes him take it down next year and it ends up in the garage fro a few years and eventually ends up in the city dump.
Moral: Let the fucking fish live... asshole.
i saw that story & the asshole fisherman was very thrilled with a huge smile on his dumb ass mug.
instanteously i hated that guy & i truly rarely hate. i may dislike to beat the band but i do not hate very much. this prick in my opinion deserves to wear a club up his ass or
.......................................................... or
i would not go sleepless if he was to wear a bullet for his bullshit way of life & how he chooses to operate with mother nature & his simple & plesant disregard for a ancient living creature
I certainly do not assume that police officers' perceptions are the ones to necessarily be trusted when other people are weighing in! It sounds like you do?? If there is disagreement, trust the actions of the cops? I can't remember where you're from, but in Vancouver, I think it is now instinct to NOT trust the perceptions of the cops in these kinds of situations because they fuck up and show excessive force so often. I think it's safer for society when considering these kinds of incidents to NOT give the cops the benefit of the doubt. I am no cop hater. But I know there are a lot of issues with the actions of some cops, and systemic problems within police forces.
But really, I just can't stop imagining what would have happened if some tweeker had been showing the same level of aggression with this cop. Bullet to the head? I have no reason to believe otherwise.
a squirrely ass tweeker is by far easier to handle than a full grown rot. a tweeker coming at cops would get pepper sprayed or simply jacked in thre mouth or be wearing a baton upside his brilliant skull. a full on rot lunge is not the lunge of a tweeking dipshit
Tell that to all the tweekers' families, whose tweeking relative was shot by police when they tweeked too close to a trigger-happy cop. It's not that uncommon. Last time it happened here it was a tweeker (mentally ill too) with a 3 foot long bike chain vs a cop. The gun won. From much more than 3 feet away.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Tell that to all the tweekers' families, whose tweeking relative was shot by police when they tweeked too close to a trigger-happy cop. It's not that uncommon. Last time it happened here it was a tweeker (mentally ill too) with a 3 foot long bike chain vs a cop. The gun won. From much more than 3 feet away.
tweekers are fucking stupid. swing a chain at a cop & act like a fucking violent little skinny tweeker & chances are some little dope addict is going down.
basically that is the end of the story.
lots of violence over there in vancouver from what i read of your posts. stay safe, pj_soul, stay safe
Tell that to all the tweekers' families, whose tweeking relative was shot by police when they tweeked too close to a trigger-happy cop. It's not that uncommon. Last time it happened here it was a tweeker (mentally ill too) with a 3 foot long bike chain vs a cop. The gun won. From much more than 3 feet away.
tweekers are fucking stupid. swing a chain at a cop & act like a fucking violent little skinny tweeker & chances are some little dope addict is going down.
basically that is the end of the story.
Again, not my point. The point is that cops should only fire their guns when they are truly in danger, no matter how stupid the person they are dealing with is (especially since so many people acting like that are mentally ill and have no control of their behaviour). That is not the case WAY too often. It seems to me that cops are now using their tasers (sometimes also causing death) because they don't want to run more than 20 feet, and using guns because they don't want to skin their knee or risk a deep bruise. That is not how it should be working.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I certainly do not assume that police officers' perceptions are the ones to necessarily be trusted when other people are weighing in! It sounds like you do?? If there is disagreement, trust the actions of the cops? I can't remember where you're from, but in Vancouver, I think it is now instinct to NOT trust the perceptions of the cops in these kinds of situations because they fuck up and show excessive force so often. I think it's safer for society when considering these kinds of incidents to NOT give the cops the benefit of the doubt. I am no cop hater. But I know there are a lot of issues with the actions of some cops, and systemic problems within police forces.
But really, I just can't stop imagining what would have happened if some tweeker had been showing the same level of aggression with this cop. Bullet to the head? I have no reason to believe otherwise.
a squirrely ass tweeker is by far easier to handle than a full grown rot. a tweeker coming at cops would get pepper sprayed or simply jacked in thre mouth or be wearing a baton upside his brilliant skull. a full on rot lunge is not the lunge of a tweeking dipshit
Then how does that spray stop a Grizley dead in its' tracks? Nevermind, forgot Rotts are only stopped by four bullets.
i have not been able to make myself watch the video. i can't handle watching animals get shot. especially dogs.
i want to contribute, but without watching the video i can't really comment other than to say i can understand the points that both sides are making, but to me it is really sad.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Again, not my point. The point is that cops should only fire their guns when they are truly in danger, no matter how stupid the person they are dealing with is (especially since so many people acting like that are mentally ill and have no control of their behaviour). That is not the case WAY too often. It seems to me that cops are now using their tasers (sometimes also causing death) because they don't want to run more than 20 feet, and using guns because they don't want to skin their knee or risk a deep bruise. That is not how it should be working.
Maybe I am misinterpreting. Help me out here.
Firstly... when you say "It seems to me that cops are now using their tasers (sometimes also causing death) because they don't want to run more than 20 feet"... are you saying that cops should run away when faced with a threat?
Not exactly they type of cops I want to call when trouble is brewing.
Secondly... when you say cops are "using guns because they don't want to skin their knee or risk a deep bruise"... are you saying if forced to fight they should do so hand-to-hand?
And if they lose that hand-to-hand fight... and get their gun taken away (perhaps shot with it)... they should call it 'another day another dollar'?
Third... when you say "cops should only fire their guns when they are truly in danger"... who should be the judge of that? The armchair critic from 1000s of miles away after the fact or the officer who is facing the trouble and in the moment?
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And it's not the guy's fault that he was detained for no reason, or that the cops held him back when he tried to step up and intervene with the dog. That part is actually what pisses me off the most.
I'm saying hi's an idiot because all he had to do was drive past the whole scene just keep it moving away from the area maybe park the car down the road and then walk back to film , how is it that someone else filmed the scene and that person didn't get arrested to me he made some poor decisions, not saying the dog deserved the bullets but the man def didn't use good judgement around the police ...
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
From Unsung's post on page 3 : http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/02/prweb1946004.htm
The Hawthorne Police Department paid One Million Dollars to a Settle Lawsuit in which it was alleged a man was kicked in the face while handcuffed and then falsely prosecuted along with his wife to cover up the brutality. Evidence the plaintiffs were prepared to present at trial included a photograph of an officer appearing to kick the handcuffed plaintiff in the face and a surveillance video allegedly depicting officers high-fiving each other as the injured plaintiff suffered from a broken jaw.
Same Cop, this is why the guy and a bunch of people in that neighborhood were filming the cops, it's the only protection a citizen has now a days. How much abuse can a community take before they say collectivly say enough.
Who would have believed Rodney Kings' story if there wasn't a video?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
From the videotape, both windows on the driver's side are fully down. From the 3:03 mark, you can see the dog is barking through a fully opened passenger side rear window. The dog did not have to squeeze through anything, the widow was fully opened.
The guy might have had all of his windows down, so the turned up music would be a distraction. You can hear the music blarring while the video is being shot.
He probably knew exactly what he was doing... creating a disturbance to drawn the attention of the on scene police.
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A prudent civilian would have just driven past... maybe rubber neck for a few seconds... then, be on their merry way. The man put his animal in a bad situation and the dog paid for his owner's lack of sense with his life.
...
Again... Basic Life Lesson Number One: Don't fuck with the cops!
Hail, Hail!!!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Me too but at least you & i would never put our pets in a situation where he could be harmed or killed no ? at least i hope you wouldn't ...
Totally agree. I love animals... well, except the ones that end up in my sandwiches, but those are the ugly animals, like cows and chickens.
But cats and dogs... and most other animals, love them. It's not the cats and dogs that are the problems... it's the people.
This is a perfect example of a person making a series of several bad decisions and his pet paying for the consequences.
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Oh, and pidgeons. Not a big fan of the pidgeon... the city pidgeon.
Hail, Hail!!!
312 billion (or trillion) majestic beasts lost to murder - 1 rottweiler lost because the guy feeding him isn't fully capable of thought out ideas, plans & actions to safeguard his four legged pal
does this make sense?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I'm certain that there are other videos of this incident out there.
In this specific case, it was not the act of filming the incident, it was the manner that this particular individual was acting in that created this situation. He was yelling at the cops about not having any black cops on scene... his car was blasting out the crappy music... his being the ONLY civilian that was in the perimeter (the other on lookers were outside the, across the street).
Sometimes, when we act like assholes... we have to pay for acting like assholes. The tragedy being, the poor dog paid this idiot's bill.
Hail, Hail!!!
I read about a guy that caught a rare 40 pound Rock Fish of the coast of Seattle. The fish was estimated to be 200 years old.
The fish lived to be 200 years old... til this guy caught him and killed him to be a decoration on his wall until the wife makes him take it down next year and it ends up in the garage fro a few years and eventually ends up in the city dump.
Moral: Let the fucking fish live... asshole.
Hail, Hail!!!
instanteously i hated that guy & i truly rarely hate. i may dislike to beat the band but i do not hate very much. this prick in my opinion deserves to wear a club up his ass or
.......................................................... or
i would not go sleepless if he was to wear a bullet for his bullshit way of life & how he chooses to operate with mother nature & his simple & plesant disregard for a ancient living creature
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
basically that is the end of the story.
lots of violence over there in vancouver from what i read of your posts. stay safe, pj_soul, stay safe
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Then how does that spray stop a Grizley dead in its' tracks? Nevermind, forgot Rotts are only stopped by four bullets.
i want to contribute, but without watching the video i can't really comment other than to say i can understand the points that both sides are making, but to me it is really sad.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Maybe I am misinterpreting. Help me out here.
Firstly... when you say "It seems to me that cops are now using their tasers (sometimes also causing death) because they don't want to run more than 20 feet"... are you saying that cops should run away when faced with a threat?
Not exactly they type of cops I want to call when trouble is brewing.
Secondly... when you say cops are "using guns because they don't want to skin their knee or risk a deep bruise"... are you saying if forced to fight they should do so hand-to-hand?
And if they lose that hand-to-hand fight... and get their gun taken away (perhaps shot with it)... they should call it 'another day another dollar'?
Third... when you say "cops should only fire their guns when they are truly in danger"... who should be the judge of that? The armchair critic from 1000s of miles away after the fact or the officer who is facing the trouble and in the moment?
You are out of your freaking mind, man.