Cops arrest man for filming, kill his dog too

Cosmo

PJ_Soul wrote:

Exactly. I always wonder why people would try to dissuade people from filming cops.

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I'm certain that there are other videos of this incident out there.
In this specific case, it was not the act of filming the incident, it was the manner that this particular individual was acting in that created this situation. He was yelling at the cops about not having any black cops on scene... his car was blasting out the crappy music... his being the ONLY civilian that was in the perimeter (the other on lookers were outside the, across the street).
Sometimes, when we act like assholes... we have to pay for acting like assholes. The tragedy being, the poor dog paid this idiot's bill.

Cosmo

chadwick wrote:

assholes been killing elephants, rhinoceros, gorillas & other beasts forever as well as sharks for shark fin soup. what is my point? humans are assholes.

312 billion (or trillion) majestic beasts lost to murder - 1 rottweiler lost because the guy feeding him isn't fully capable of thought out ideas, plans & actions to safeguard his four legged pal

does this make sense?

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I read about a guy that caught a rare 40 pound Rock Fish of the coast of Seattle. The fish was estimated to be 200 years old.
The fish lived to be 200 years old... til this guy caught him and killed him to be a decoration on his wall until the wife makes him take it down next year and it ends up in the garage fro a few years and eventually ends up in the city dump.
Moral: Let the fucking fish live... asshole.

chadwick

Cosmo wrote:

chadwick wrote:

assholes been killing elephants, rhinoceros, gorillas & other beasts forever as well as sharks for shark fin soup. what is my point? humans are assholes.

312 billion (or trillion) majestic beasts lost to murder - 1 rottweiler lost because the guy feeding him isn't fully capable of thought out ideas, plans & actions to safeguard his four legged pal

does this make sense?

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I read about a guy that caught a rare 40 pound Rock Fish of the coast of Seattle. The fish was estimated to be 200 years old.
The fish lived to be 200 years old... til this guy caught him and killed him to be a decoration on his wall until the wife makes him take it down next year and it ends up in the garage fro a few years and eventually ends up in the city dump.
Moral: Let the fucking fish live... asshole.

i saw that story & the asshole fisherman was very thrilled with a huge smile on his dumb ass mug.

instanteously i hated that guy & i truly rarely hate. i may dislike to beat the band but i do not hate very much. this prick in my opinion deserves to wear a club up his ass or


.......................................................... or

i would not go sleepless if he was to wear a bullet for his bullshit way of life & how he chooses to operate with mother nature & his simple & plesant disregard for a ancient living creature

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I certainly do not assume that police officers' perceptions are the ones to necessarily be trusted when other people are weighing in! It sounds like you do?? If there is disagreement, trust the actions of the cops? I can't remember where you're from, but in Vancouver, I think it is now instinct to NOT trust the perceptions of the cops in these kinds of situations because they fuck up and show excessive force so often. I think it's safer for society when considering these kinds of incidents to NOT give the cops the benefit of the doubt. I am no cop hater. But I know there are a lot of issues with the actions of some cops, and systemic problems within police forces.

But really, I just can't stop imagining what would have happened if some tweeker had been showing the same level of aggression with this cop. Bullet to the head? I have no reason to believe otherwise.

a squirrely ass tweeker is by far easier to handle than a full grown rot. a tweeker coming at cops would get pepper sprayed or simply jacked in thre mouth or be wearing a baton upside his brilliant skull. a full on rot lunge is not the lunge of a tweeking dipshit

Tell that to all the tweekers' families, whose tweeking relative was shot by police when they tweeked too close to a trigger-happy cop. It's not that uncommon. Last time it happened here it was a tweeker (mentally ill too) with a 3 foot long bike chain vs a cop. The gun won. From much more than 3 feet away.

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

Tell that to all the tweekers' families, whose tweeking relative was shot by police when they tweeked too close to a trigger-happy cop. It's not that uncommon. Last time it happened here it was a tweeker (mentally ill too) with a 3 foot long bike chain vs a cop. The gun won. From much more than 3 feet away.

tweekers are fucking stupid. swing a chain at a cop & act like a fucking violent little skinny tweeker & chances are some little dope addict is going down.

basically that is the end of the story.

lots of violence over there in vancouver from what i read of your posts. stay safe, pj_soul, stay safe

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Tell that to all the tweekers' families, whose tweeking relative was shot by police when they tweeked too close to a trigger-happy cop. It's not that uncommon. Last time it happened here it was a tweeker (mentally ill too) with a 3 foot long bike chain vs a cop. The gun won. From much more than 3 feet away.

tweekers are fucking stupid. swing a chain at a cop & act like a fucking violent little skinny tweeker & chances are some little dope addict is going down.

basically that is the end of the story.

Again, not my point. The point is that cops should only fire their guns when they are truly in danger, no matter how stupid the person they are dealing with is (especially since so many people acting like that are mentally ill and have no control of their behaviour). That is not the case WAY too often. It seems to me that cops are now using their tasers (sometimes also causing death) because they don't want to run more than 20 feet, and using guns because they don't want to skin their knee or risk a deep bruise. That is not how it should be working.

unsung

chadwick wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I certainly do not assume that police officers' perceptions are the ones to necessarily be trusted when other people are weighing in! It sounds like you do?? If there is disagreement, trust the actions of the cops? I can't remember where you're from, but in Vancouver, I think it is now instinct to NOT trust the perceptions of the cops in these kinds of situations because they fuck up and show excessive force so often. I think it's safer for society when considering these kinds of incidents to NOT give the cops the benefit of the doubt. I am no cop hater. But I know there are a lot of issues with the actions of some cops, and systemic problems within police forces.

But really, I just can't stop imagining what would have happened if some tweeker had been showing the same level of aggression with this cop. Bullet to the head? I have no reason to believe otherwise.

a squirrely ass tweeker is by far easier to handle than a full grown rot. a tweeker coming at cops would get pepper sprayed or simply jacked in thre mouth or be wearing a baton upside his brilliant skull. a full on rot lunge is not the lunge of a tweeking dipshit

Then how does that spray stop a Grizley dead in its' tracks? Nevermind, forgot Rotts are only stopped by four bullets.

gimmesometruth27

i have not been able to make myself watch the video. i can't handle watching animals get shot. especially dogs.

i want to contribute, but without watching the video i can't really comment other than to say i can understand the points that both sides are making, but to me it is really sad.

unsung

Don't watch it. I wish it never happened, but people need to know this is happening.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul wrote:

Again, not my point. The point is that cops should only fire their guns when they are truly in danger, no matter how stupid the person they are dealing with is (especially since so many people acting like that are mentally ill and have no control of their behaviour). That is not the case WAY too often. It seems to me that cops are now using their tasers (sometimes also causing death) because they don't want to run more than 20 feet, and using guns because they don't want to skin their knee or risk a deep bruise. That is not how it should be working.

Maybe I am misinterpreting. Help me out here.

Firstly... when you say "It seems to me that cops are now using their tasers (sometimes also causing death) because they don't want to run more than 20 feet"... are you saying that cops should run away when faced with a threat?

Not exactly they type of cops I want to call when trouble is brewing.

Secondly... when you say cops are "using guns because they don't want to skin their knee or risk a deep bruise"... are you saying if forced to fight they should do so hand-to-hand?

And if they lose that hand-to-hand fight... and get their gun taken away (perhaps shot with it)... they should call it 'another day another dollar'?

Third... when you say "cops should only fire their guns when they are truly in danger"... who should be the judge of that? The armchair critic from 1000s of miles away after the fact or the officer who is facing the trouble and in the moment?

You are out of your freaking mind, man.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

It looks to me that the officer who shot the dog steps forward and tries to grab the leash/handle and then the dog lunged, why would you try and grab the leash? that's not going to stop the dog. There was one move to make, immediately let the owner subdue his dog, but since they had started his arrest it was inconceivable to them to do so( because they have to be in total control of a situation), a man who offered absolutely no resistance, instead he got scared and blew the dog away.

Exactly. I can't believe the cops wouldn't just let the owner step forward like he tried to do and calm his dog down. It would have been so simple. They didn't even need to uncuff him for that.

Oh yeah. Easy peasy. Just so simple. Good gawd, man.

Your lack of respect for cops is blatant so don't hide behind your lame "I'm not a cop hater or anything" because you are. Obviously. I mean, look how you painfully refute the evidence in the video that is so plain to nearly everyone else (Unsung excluded). The dog lunging at the cop was presented to you and you said, "No no. It never did". Then presented on this very forum in still frame... you say that was because it got shot. Come on, man. Things don't go forward when they are shot... they go backwards. To which, I might add, for all those 'use another tactic for the large dog' advocates... that first bullet had little effect on the dog. The next bullets were in response to the fact that the dog still seemed undeterred.

PJ Soul... I have usually read and enjoy the things you have written, but I respectfully put to you that you are way off base with this one. I'm sorry, but the life of a human trumps that of a dog. And the cops that we place in the streets to do the work we need them to do need a little more support and a little more understanding when they are forced to deal with things that place them at risk. This wasn't an error in judgement... this action was warranted. Don't paint every cop with the same brush that painted a few bad eggs.

chadwick

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Oh yeah. Easy peasy. Just so simple. Good gawd, man.

Your lack of respect for cops is blatant so don't hide behind your lame "I'm not a cop hater or anything" because you are. Obviously. I mean, look how you painfully refute the evidence in the video that is so plain to nearly everyone else (Unsung excluded). The dog lunging at the cop was presented to you and you said, "No no. It never did". Then presented on this very forum in still frame... you say that was because it got shot. Come on, man. Things don't go forward when they are shot... they go backwards. To which, I might add, for all those 'use another tactic for the large dog' advocates... that first bullet had little effect on the dog. The next bullets were in response to the fact that the dog still seemed undeterred.

PJ Soul... I have usually read and enjoy the things you have written, but I respectfully put to you that you are way off base with this one. I'm sorry, but the life of a human trumps that of a dog. And the cops that we place in the streets to do the work we need them to do need a little more support and a little more understanding when they are forced to deal with things that place them at risk. This wasn't an error in judgement... this action was warranted. Don't paint every cop with the same brush that painted a few bad eggs.

i do enjoy your thoughts & your writing. here is were we are different. to me all life is equal (although i have zero no use for evil/monsters) to some degree of greatness. however, i like to believe humans are less than critters. but why would you think this way, chad? because us humans should know better & have compassion, understanding & we should have knowledge, kindness & things, yet we are deeper in negative-dark energy & have almost zero morals than any creature on this planet as we pollute & multiply spreading our cancers.

we have the power to change things for the positive but we destroy everything we touch. humans are the truest evil we have. in reality worms deserves to live moreso than humans. buddhism has shown me things.

(now go ahead, folks, light me up)

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

It looks to me that the officer who shot the dog steps forward and tries to grab the leash/handle and then the dog lunged, why would you try and grab the leash? that's not going to stop the dog. There was one move to make, immediately let the owner subdue his dog, but since they had started his arrest it was inconceivable to them to do so( because they have to be in total control of a situation), a man who offered absolutely no resistance, instead he got scared and blew the dog away.

Exactly. I can't believe the cops wouldn't just let the owner step forward like he tried to do and calm his dog down. It would have been so simple. They didn't even need to uncuff him for that.

Oh yeah. Easy peasy. Just so simple. Good gawd, man.

Your lack of respect for cops is blatant so don't hide behind your lame "I'm not a cop hater or anything" because you are. Obviously. I mean, look how you painfully refute the evidence in the video that is so plain to nearly everyone else (Unsung excluded). The dog lunging at the cop was presented to you and you said, "No no. It never did". Then presented on this very forum in still frame... you say that was because it got shot. Come on, man. Things don't go forward when they are shot... they go backwards. To which, I might add, for all those 'use another tactic for the large dog' advocates... that first bullet had little effect on the dog. The next bullets were in response to the fact that the dog still seemed undeterred.

PJ Soul... I have usually read and enjoy the things you have written, but I respectfully put to you that you are way off base with this one. I'm sorry, but the life of a human trumps that of a dog. And the cops that we place in the streets to do the work we need them to do need a little more support and a little more understanding when they are forced to deal with things that place them at risk. This wasn't an error in judgement... this action was warranted. Don't paint every cop with the same brush that painted a few bad eggs.

Sigh. I'm not a fucking cop hater. I respect most cops because most of them are decent, but there are still a lot who aren't, and they force me to err on the side of caution generally when it comes to considering police actions. I completely back up and support cops.... UNLESS I THINK THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG. I don't think that, assume that, or decide that before I see something to make me think it. Only after I see that something isn't right IMO. Obviously you don't remember all the other posts I've made in support of police actions in other situations. I absolutely consider each and every situation individually, and do not necessarily take a stance against cops (I don't even usually do that). I'm not arguing the point with you. I know how I feel, and you obviously don't remember all my pro-cop positions in the past.

I know the life of a human trumps that of a dog. But no human life was threatened here.

Unsung and I have an opinion... and then "everyone else" (so you and who? maybe 2 other people?) have another one. So that makes you right?? I disagree.

Anyway, no point at all in arguing the issue further. We have both made out views very clear, and have explained them thoroughly. I have shown you more respect that you have me, since I have not called you a liar about your own feelings about certain issues, so I'll give myself a point on that one, but otherwise, this is simply a discussion that is going nowhere, since there is no more info either of us can put out there to back up our positions.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul wrote:

Sigh. I'm not a fucking cop hater. I respect most cops because most of them are decent, but there are still a lot who aren't, and they force me to err on the side of caution generally when it comes to considering police actions. I completely back up and support cops.... UNLESS I THINK THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG. I don't think that, assume that, or decide that before I see something to make me think it. Only after I see that something isn't right IMO. Obviously you don't remember all the other posts I've made in support of police actions in other situations. I absolutely consider each and every situation individually, and do not necessarily take a stance against cops (I don't even usually do that). I'm not arguing the point with you. I know how I feel, and you obviously don't remember all my pro-cop positions in the past.

I know the life of a human trumps that of a dog. But no human life was threatened here.

Unsung and I have an opinion... and then "everyone else" (so you and who? maybe 2 other people?) have another one. So that makes you right?? I disagree.

Anyway, no point at all in arguing the issue further. We have both made out views very clear, and have explained them thoroughly. I have shown you more respect that you have me, since I have not called you a liar about your own feelings about certain issues, so I'll give myself a point on that one, but otherwise, this is simply a discussion that is going nowhere, since there is no more info either of us can put out there to back up our positions.

You can have a point on that one if you wish, but I think if you are honest with yourself... or at least read back through your posts... you have expressed many comments that show very little respect for the extremely difficult job police officers do. And I did extend some respect when I said aside form this issue, I appreciate your posts.

And... if we're looking to score points... I guess I'll give myself a few seeing as you never bothered to clarify your post where you described stripping the powers of cops to what I would call 'bare bones'. The one where you said: 'officers should run 20 meters when confronted by a bad man' and 'cops should look to tussle instead of drawing their weapon when confronted by a bad man' (take a bruise or scrape here and there).

Hey... you are not a bad person. I am not saying this. The only thing I have really said is that cops are in a demanding position. There are bad ones- of course- but there are good ones too that have performed admirably. If we place them in the position where we expect them to maintain order at their own risk... then we owe them the opportunity to defend themselves when they are threatened. A cop shouldn't have had to get bit to defend themselves.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Sigh. I'm not a fucking cop hater. I respect most cops because most of them are decent, but there are still a lot who aren't, and they force me to err on the side of caution generally when it comes to considering police actions. I completely back up and support cops.... UNLESS I THINK THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG. I don't think that, assume that, or decide that before I see something to make me think it. Only after I see that something isn't right IMO. Obviously you don't remember all the other posts I've made in support of police actions in other situations. I absolutely consider each and every situation individually, and do not necessarily take a stance against cops (I don't even usually do that). I'm not arguing the point with you. I know how I feel, and you obviously don't remember all my pro-cop positions in the past.

I know the life of a human trumps that of a dog. But no human life was threatened here.

Unsung and I have an opinion... and then "everyone else" (so you and who? maybe 2 other people?) have another one. So that makes you right?? I disagree.

Anyway, no point at all in arguing the issue further. We have both made out views very clear, and have explained them thoroughly. I have shown you more respect that you have me, since I have not called you a liar about your own feelings about certain issues, so I'll give myself a point on that one, but otherwise, this is simply a discussion that is going nowhere, since there is no more info either of us can put out there to back up our positions.

You can have a point on that one if you wish, but I think if you are honest with yourself... or at least read back through your posts... you have expressed many comments that show very little respect for the extremely difficult job police officers do. And I did extend some respect when I said aside form this issue, I appreciate your posts.

And... if we're looking to score points... I guess I'll give myself a few seeing as you never bothered to clarify your post where you described stripping the powers of cops to what I would call 'bare bones'. The one where you said: 'officers should run 20 meters when confronted by a bad man' and 'cops should look to tussle instead of drawing their weapon when confronted by a bad man' (take a bruise or scrape here and there).

Hey... you are not a bad person. I am not saying this. The only thing I have really said is that cops are in a demanding position. There are bad ones- of course- but there are good ones too that have performed admirably. If we place them in the position where we expect them to maintain order at their own risk... then we owe them the opportunity to defend themselves when they are threatened. A cop shouldn't have had to get bit to defend themselves.

Let me clarify this statement, because obviously it was misinterpreted, judging from your paraphrasing:

'officers should run 20 meters when confronted by a bad man' and 'cops should look to tussle instead of drawing their weapon when confronted by a bad man' (take a bruise or scrape here and there).

What I was saying was that these days, it seems that a lot of cops will use a taser on someone instead of running 20 meters. In other words, they will taze someone rather than chase them a block or grab them and get them on the ground, possibly risking their life instead of being willing to give a bit of a chase or a tackle like cops used to do. Also, some cops have been found to taze people who were evading skytrain fare and tried to run. Fucking $2.75. That is abuse of power and a misuse of their weapons. And yeah, I think that some cops have been known to shoot someone when the threat to their safety is minimal, i.e. the threat is that they might get a bruise. I am not sure what you mean when you say that I think cop's powers should be stripped down to bare bones, because that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that more and more I'm noticing a trend that suggests cops are no longer willing to put themselves at ANY kind of risk, sometimes at the expense of the lives of others. I'm not suggesting that they should offer themselves up to die or be severely injured. But I am suggesting that some now seem to think that ANY kind of physical contact with a perp is worse than killing said perp. I disagree with that attitude. They are in high risk jobs, so they should be willing to put themselves at risk to a certain point over killing or seriously harming citizens.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

chadwick wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Oh yeah. Easy peasy. Just so simple. Good gawd, man.

Your lack of respect for cops is blatant so don't hide behind your lame "I'm not a cop hater or anything" because you are. Obviously. I mean, look how you painfully refute the evidence in the video that is so plain to nearly everyone else (Unsung excluded). The dog lunging at the cop was presented to you and you said, "No no. It never did". Then presented on this very forum in still frame... you say that was because it got shot. Come on, man. Things don't go forward when they are shot... they go backwards. To which, I might add, for all those 'use another tactic for the large dog' advocates... that first bullet had little effect on the dog. The next bullets were in response to the fact that the dog still seemed undeterred.

PJ Soul... I have usually read and enjoy the things you have written, but I respectfully put to you that you are way off base with this one. I'm sorry, but the life of a human trumps that of a dog. And the cops that we place in the streets to do the work we need them to do need a little more support and a little more understanding when they are forced to deal with things that place them at risk. This wasn't an error in judgement... this action was warranted. Don't paint every cop with the same brush that painted a few bad eggs.

i do enjoy your thoughts & your writing. here is were we are different. to me all life is equal (although i have zero no use for evil/monsters) to some degree of greatness. however, i like to believe humans are less than critters. but why would you think this way, chad? because us humans should know better & have compassion, understanding & we should have knowledge, kindness & things, yet we are deeper in negative-dark energy & have almost zero morals than any creature on this planet as we pollute & multiply spreading our cancers.

we have the power to change things for the positive but we destroy everything we touch. humans are the truest evil we have. in reality worms deserves to live moreso than humans. buddhism has shown me things.

(now go ahead, folks, light me up)

This doesn't deserve a light up, Chadwick. Human beings are something this planet could do without very easily! But we are what we are. Some humans are wonderful and do much good for everything on this planet.

I just place myself in the shoes of those officers and if I am one of them... I don't wish to be accosted by the dog and I would look to defend myself. Those guys are not just faceless entities... they go home to their loved ones too. They might even go home and listen to Pearl Jam and pet dogs of their own.

They deserve better than being shit on all the time which seems to be a more regular occurrence on here lately.

And by the way... I enjoy your contributions to this forum as well! Enjoy your 4th of July and be safe.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul wrote:

Let me clarify this statement, because obviously it was misinterpreted, judging from your paraphrasing:

'officers should run 20 meters when confronted by a bad man' and 'cops should look to tussle instead of drawing their weapon when confronted by a bad man' (take a bruise or scrape here and there).

What I was saying was that these days, it seems that a lot of cops will use a taser on someone instead of running 20 meters. In other words, they will taze someone rather than chase them a block, risking their life instead of being willing to give a bit of a chase like cops used to do. Also, some cops have been found to taze people who were evading skytrain fare and tried to run. Fucking $2.75. That is abuse of power and a misuse of their weapons. And yeah, I think that some cops have been known to shoot someone when the threat to their safety is minimal, i.e. the threat is that they might get a bruise. I am not sure what you mean when you say that I think cop's powers should be stripped down to bare bones, because that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that more and more I'm noticing a trend that suggests cops are no longer willing to put themselves at ANY kind of risk, sometimes at the expense of the lives of others. I'm not suggesting that they should offer themselves up to die or be severely injured. But I am suggesting that some now seem to think that ANY kind of physical contact with a perp is worse than killing said perp. I disagree with that attitude.

Fair enough. Although when the officers do run someone down... the conflict starts all over.

If people would just behave... these cops wouldn't have to make instant decisions that sometimes end up being costly one way or another.

Have a good day.

PJ_Soul

I'd rather be bitten by a dog than shoot it. I would not rather have my face ripped off or my throat torn out by a dog than shoot it, but a bite I would risk. When the dog bites, obviously the other cops would have shot it immediately, before it could do more harm. Some don't agree with me, but I think that's reasonable risk for the cops considering the alternative. And I agree that the life of the dog is being undervalued by some.

chadwick

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

This doesn't deserve a light up, Chadwick. Human beings are something this planet could do without very easily! But we are what we are. Some humans are wonderful and do much good for everything on this planet.

I just place myself in the shoes of those officers and if I am one of them... I don't wish to be accosted by the dog and I would look to defend myself. Those guys are not just faceless entities... they go home to their loved ones too. They might even go home and listen to Pearl Jam and pet dogs of their own.

They deserve better than being shit on all the time which seems to be a more regular occurrence on here lately.

And by the way... I enjoy your contributions to this forum as well! Enjoy your 4th of July and be safe.

yeah i fully believe in self defense no matter human or critter. i think i trust mother nature more than most humans. in the end though, this dog keeper fouled up & that is that. that's my opinion

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

This doesn't deserve a light up, Chadwick. Human beings are something this planet could do without very easily! But we are what we are. Some humans are wonderful and do much good for everything on this planet.

I just place myself in the shoes of those officers and if I am one of them... I don't wish to be accosted by the dog and I would look to defend myself. Those guys are not just faceless entities... they go home to their loved ones too. They might even go home and listen to Pearl Jam and pet dogs of their own.

They deserve better than being shit on all the time which seems to be a more regular occurrence on here lately.

And by the way... I enjoy your contributions to this forum as well! Enjoy your 4th of July and be safe.

yeah i fully believe in self defense no matter human or critter. i think i trust mother nature more than most humans. in the end though, this dog keeper fouled up & that is that. that's my opinion

In that case, what would have been fair is for the cop to not have a gun and fight the dog off with his bare hands.