Cops arrest man for filming, kill his dog too

hedonist

cincybearcat wrote:

Generally the owners.

Agreed. A dog believing its master is in danger and doing what it can to protect him isn't, I believe, limited by breed.

Many unanswered questions so far and I hope more comes to light.

One thing for sure is that the poor animal was (for lack of a better term) innocent...yet, I can only imagine what he would've done to the cop(s) putting his master in perceived danger.

Cosmo

First off...
If you see a bunch of cop cars and cops with their guns drawn...
1. Don't stop your car and leave your stereo blasting... in fact, don't park your car anywhere and leave the stereo blasting. We don't want to hear your favorite music blasting in our ears. Total douchebag move.
2. Don't get in the line of fire during an armed standoff between police and robbery suspects. If you want to make the Darwin Awards, then okay. Just don't complain about it.
3. DO... Comply with police orders. Sure, you have a right to public streets... but, your rights do not extend into a police secured perimeter. The area secured by the police during a situation is closed to the public... think of it sort of like you can't go into a Public Library when it is closed. You can wait til it's open again and go in.
4. Most importantly... don't fuck with the cops. Seriously... DON'T fuck with the cops. I don't care what you feel about them, just don't fuck with them. My reasoning is the same way I feel about feeding bears in the wild by holding a piece of raw steak in my teeth. I don't do it. I'm not an idiot... you shouldn't be one, too.
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The whole thing could have been avoided by...
Just driving by and continued home to catch it on the local news.
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Also... the dog was in the car... and jumped out of the window. You can raise the windows to the point where the dog can still breathe, but cannot get out. That would have been a good idea.

Jason P

This is why I feel permits and intelligence tests should be required to own certain breeds of dogs.

Cosmo

Statement From the Hawthorne Police Department:
On June 30, 2013, at approximately 5:44pm, Officers from the Hawthorne Police Department responded to a residence in regard to an armed robbery - gun used -- which occurred to two individuals inside of a home. Upon arrival, Officers engaged several subjects involved in the robbery, who quickly barricaded themselves in the home and refused orders to come out. Officers used several resources, including the Department's armored tactical vehicle and a loud-speaker vehicle, in an attempt to communicate and bring the incident to safe resolution. After an approximate one hour and forty-five minute standoff, the individuals surrendered from teahouse and the suspect responsible for the robbery was identified and arrested.

During this evolving critical incident and the extraction of suspects from the home, Officers containing the location were interfered with by an individual. This interference included loud, distracting music (from the individual's vehicle), and his intentional walking within close proximity to armed Officers, while holding an 80-pound Rottweiler on a long leash-line. These acts, in totality, created an increasingly dangerous situation and demanded officers' focus away from the matter at hand. By comparison, numerous citizens were filming similarly as the suspect, but from a safe distance and compliant to Officers' regards.

Once all parties to the original robbery incident were apprehended, two officers approached this suspect to address the violation(s) of law. Just prior to approach, the suspect placed his dog back into his car, but did not close the windows. AS the suspect was being taken into custody, his Rottweiler became agitated and jumped out of the car, approaching the officers who were making the arrest. An assisting officer came to aid and attempted to control the Rottweiler, first by gaining control of the leash. However, the dog lunged and made aggressive movements towards the officer(s). Fearing that the attacking Rottweiler would imminently bite the officer(s), one officer fired his duty weapon several times, striking and killing the dog. The suspect, later identified as Leon Rosby, was arrested and booked at the Hawthorne Police Department Jail for 'Interference with Officer(s)'.

The Hawthorne Police Department is conducting a comprehensive investigation into the actions of each party, our Officers, and to ensure appropriate adherence to our Department polices and procedures. Additionally, the Department is truly sensitive to the invariable loss of the dog in this incident.

The Hawthorne Police Department asks that if any personal video taken by citizens present at the incident is wiling to be shared in our Investigation, please contact us.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Could the dog have been taken down with a taser or other non-lethal means? Or was there no time? I am flying blind because I know I will be haunted if I watch the clip.

Don't watch it. It's bothered me since yesterday.

They had time, they knew the dog was there. They could have done many other things before shooting it.

And they could have allowed the guy to secure it, he was willingly standing there in the first place and could have grabbed a gun when he first put the dog it the car. But guess what, he didn't. He did what the police masters told him to.

It sounds to me as if you would have preferred the cop to get mauled instead of the dog getting shot. The dog lunged at them and circled them multiple times and showed no sign of easing of its advances.

The owner should have had its dog confined in the car knowing full well that the cops were advancing towards him. This guy tempted fate daring the cops to deal with him and then with his dog.

And, in this case, he never did get a gun... but cops have a protocol to deal with people: once in cuffs you are not released from cuffs until back at the station. If... IF... they had released the guy and the scenario I painted for you DID happen... bad on them.

Get real, man. Seriously.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Who can tell from watching the video?

ANyone here know why they cuffed the guy?


But, the guy had a dangerous animal that he didn't secure. The cops didn't shoot the dog right away, it wasn't the first lunge/attack.

I'm not a huge cop fan and I certainly question the handcuffing, but as for the dog, it is an unfortunate thing, but the shooting looks to be justified. Now...if the 2 cops that cuffed the guy were abusing their power, they could be potentially liable for the dog being killed.

Honestly, I'm tired of cops abusing their power and just being stupid. But I'm also tired of people having dangerous dogs as pets. Saying how great they are until the one day they just happen to bite someone's face off.

What makes a dog dangerous?

Size for one. A Chihuahua cannot inflict a bite wound like a Rottweiler can. The breed is dangerous. Are you seriously trying to deny this?

Cosmo

I'm not always on the side of the cops... or always against the cops. I will side with them when they act accordingly and complain about them when they abuse the power we grant them.
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In this specific case, the dog owner holds a large part of the responsibility and accountability for the actions that lead to the death of his dog. Basically, the dog lost his life because his owner was acting like an idiot.
Had the dog owner not decided to use this inappropriate opportunity (an armed standoff) to an inquiry as to why there are not black officers on duty... while his favorite music was blasting from his car stereo... he would be taking his beloved dog for a walk today.

davidtrios

Wow, this is TERRIBLE. Now I can fully understand WHY this cop shot the dog, the dog jumped out of the car and kind of lunged at the cops to protect his owner....I get it. But other measures could have been taken before shooting this poor dog multiple times, why not mace the dog? Kick him 2-3 times? hit him with the baton? Shoot him in the thigh?....but to shoot that dog that many times is criminal,. This cop was just itching to shoot something......FIRE THIS ASSHOLE.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

davidtrios wrote:

Wow, this is TERRIBLE. Now I can fully understand WHY this cop shot the dog, the dog jumped out of the car and kind of lunged at the cops to protect his owner....I get it. But other measures could have been taken before shooting this poor dog multiple times, why not mace the dog? Kick him 2-3 times? hit him with the baton? Shoot him in the thigh?....but to shoot that dog that many times is criminal,. This cop was just itching to shoot something......FIRE THIS ASSHOLE.

Did you watch the video?

The cops thwarted the dog's attempts 4-5 times before they took aim and fired.

For pete's sakes people... cops have a tough job to do. They are at risk every minute of their job. The situation they were in was tense to begin with and now they have to deal with an 80 pound menacing Rottweiler lunging at them... and you are suggesting they needed to be dog whisperers.

I'm not going to agree with you when you say the guy was just itching to shoot something. The dog was doing what a dog of that breed does (trying to protect its owner) and the cop was doing what he needed to do (protect himself). The idiot owner caused the problem- stop blaming the cops for shooting the dog to save themselves from getting bit.

Are we seriously that far gone that we would expect a cop to exhaust all peaceful options before using deadly force to stop the advances of a vicious dog? If it was attacking a kid... would you expect the same gentle cooing in the ear approach before using a gun? Or would you want the officer to shoot the dog before the kid was mauled?

The amount of respect shown for policemen on this forum is reaching new depths. Makes me wonder why anyone would ever want to do it. They cannot win.

chadwick

that was a piss poor scene. fuck!

i'd like to say that pointing a camera or anything at cops that are at a distance (or even closeby) isn't to bright. remember when boston had the police swat teams & shit searching homes street by street & there's a famous photo of a person upstairs in a home pointing a camera/recorder at a cop in a hum-v who is in return aiming his gun at the individual?

that man's dog would still be alive if that man only stayed in his car recording rather than get all up in the cops' business

that is one sad ass story but god dammit the dog went for the cop(s). ever have a rot bite or ass? it would be devastating. none of those cops will be fired

vant0037

unsung wrote:

Good enough reason to lock him up and kill his dog. And yeah they could have allowed him to secure it. Hopefully people get fired at a minimum.

What I don't get is why he was willing to be arrested and leave the dog in the car. Was it going to just stay there and wait for his release? He is to blame as well but this screams abuse of power.

I can assure you that a charging dog is grounds for an officer to discharge his firearm.

I'm an animal lover (and a vegetarian to boot) but there's not a court that won't allow an officer to defend him or herself.

I didn't watch the video (I've reviewed my own officers' squad cams of shooting dogs - you're right, it isn't fun), so I won't comment on whether he was wrongfully arrested or not. But understand, a charging dog, rightly or wrongly, is almost always grounds for an officer to defend him or herself. So if you're looking for an "abuse of power" angle, the dog angle isn't it.

hedonist

davidtrios wrote:

Wow, this is TERRIBLE. Now I can fully understand WHY this cop shot the dog, the dog jumped out of the car and kind of lunged at the cops to protect his owner....I get it. But other measures could have been taken before shooting this poor dog multiple times, why not mace the dog? Kick him 2-3 times? hit him with the baton? Shoot him in the thigh?....but to shoot that dog that many times is criminal,. This cop was just itching to shoot something......FIRE THIS ASSHOLE.

I can only imagine the outrage had the dog been kicked or beaten multiple times. Plus the potential injuries he could've caused.

I dunno - I figure when a dog that size (an ANGRY one at that) is coming at you, self-preservation is the first instinct.

I don't blame the dog one iota. I don't blame the officer(s) either - and think calling him an asshole is somewhat over the top - as is calling for him to be fired.

Given what I've read so far, I blame the dude who had no business being where he was, doing what he was.

Sometimes it's best to use your head, shut the fuck up and let others do what they need to, especially in such a tense situation. Make your "point" another time.

josevolution

It's totally on the dog owner the dog 's death could of been prevented by him this guys is a total idiot no one else to blame ....man when will common sense make a comeback :!:

unsung

Seems this officer knows brutality all too well.


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/02/prweb1946004.htm

Cosmo

hedonist wrote:

I dunno - I figure when a dog that size (an ANGRY one at that) is coming at you, self-preservation is the first instinct.

I don't blame the dog one iota. I don't blame the officer(s) either - and think calling him an asshole is somewhat over the top - as is calling for him to be fired.

Given what I've read so far, I blame the dude who had no business being where he was, doing what he was.

Sometimes it's best to use your head, shut the fuck up and let others do what they need to, especially in such a tense situation. Make your "point" another time.

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Hey...
I agree with everything you said. If the dog was a Chichuahua or a Shiz-Tsu or something... okay, don't shoot. But a Rotweiller, Doberman, German Sheperd, Pit Bull, etc... like a dog dog... it becomes a completely different situation with a completely different set of circumstances.
The dog should never have been placed in that situation. I feel really bad... for the dog. The guy needs to own up to his poor decision making and stop blaming others for his poor judgement.

PJ_Soul

Oh my GOD. I don't think that cop had any good reason to kill that dog at all. They should have let the owner calm it down, like he was trying to do. That's really upsetting. :( And that he let the poor thing thrash around like that in horrible pain is also disgusting. He didn't even have the decency to shoot it in the head. Jesus. That poor dog owner. Yes, he should have made it so the dog couldn't get out of the car, but I doubt he knew that the dog would go that far out of its way to get out, since it probably never had before. I don't think the owner is a huge idiot. Yes, he made a mistake, but I don't think he was being irresponsible. And why were the cops handcuffing him anyway??! That shouldn't have happened either. I saw no reason at all for them to be handcuffing that guy. He was obviously no danger to himself or other, or a flight risk. I actually thought it was good judgment that he put the dog in the car at all... It's just too bad he underestimated his dog's drive to protect him.

That cop totally overreacted IMO. And hello? Ever heard of fucking backing up and using a fucking taser??! And if he didn't have one on him, then fucking backing up and getting one?! Because the dogs was not lunging. And it was walking away when they shot it. I think some are exaggerating the threat that the dog was presenting. Killing the dog (inhumanely) should NOT be the FIRST course of action unless the dog is seriously threatening someone's safety, and I don't think it was in this case. I agree that if the dog had been more threatening then okay, but what I saw was that the cop just had to back away from it and let the owner stand between the dog and the cops, which he was TRYING to do, and the cops held him back for no good reason at all. Letting the owner step up like he was trying to would have been a very easy solution! But no... for a lot of cops, the best method seems to be "shoot first, think later." And yes, in this case he did have time to think. If he couldn't think up that much in that amount of time, then he shouldn't be a cop, since next time it could be a 12 year old with a fucking water gun.

Jesus, I wish I hadn't watched that.

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Could the dog have been taken down with a taser or other non-lethal means? Or was there no time? I am flying blind because I know I will be haunted if I watch the clip.

Don't watch it. It's bothered me since yesterday.

They had time, they knew the dog was there. They could have done many other things before shooting it.

And they could have allowed the guy to secure it, he was willingly standing there in the first place and could have grabbed a gun when he first put the dog it the car. But guess what, he didn't. He did what the police masters told him to.

It sounds to me as if you would have preferred the cop to get mauled instead of the dog getting shot. The dog lunged at them and circled them multiple times and showed no sign of easing of its advances.

The owner should have had its dog confined in the car knowing full well that the cops were advancing towards him. This guy tempted fate daring the cops to deal with him and then with his dog.

And, in this case, he never did get a gun... but cops have a protocol to deal with people: once in cuffs you are not released from cuffs until back at the station. If... IF... they had released the guy and the scenario I painted for you DID happen... bad on them.

Get real, man. Seriously.

Stop being the apologist of the police like they are heroes or something. They used excessive force. Period. The dog never circled one time. It ran up to its' master and stopped, it didn't even bark. Stop making excuses for these lowlifes.

And yeah I hope these pigs lose everything. Fucking all.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul wrote:

Oh my GOD. I don't think that cop had any good reason to kill that dog at all. They should have let the owner calm it down, like he was trying to do. That's really upsetting. :( And that he let the poor thing thrash around like that in horrible pain is also disgusting. He didn't even have the decency to shoot it in the head. Jesus. That poor dog owner. Yes, he should have made it so the dog couldn't get out of the car, but I doubt he knew that the dog would go that far out of its way to get out, since it probably never had before. I don't think the owner is a huge idiot. Yes, he made a mistake, but I don't think he was being irresponsible. And why were the cops handcuffing him anyway??! That shouldn't have happened either. I saw no reason at all for them to be handcuffing that guy. He was obviously no danger to himself or other, or a flight risk. I actually thought it was good judgment that he put the dog in the car at all... It's just too bad he underestimated his dog's drive to protect him.

That cop totally overreacted IMO. And hello? Ever heard of fucking backing up and using a fucking taser??! And if he didn't have one on him, then fucking backing up and getting one?! Because the dogs was not lunging. And it was walking away when they shot it. I think some are exaggerating the threat that the dog was presenting. Killing the dog (inhumanely) should NOT be the FIRST course of action unless the dog is seriously threatening someone's safety, and I don't think it was in this case. I agree that if the dog had been more threatening then okay, but what I saw was that the cop just had to back away from it and let the owner stand between the dog and the cops, which he was TRYING to do, and the cops held him back for no good reason at all. Letting the owner step up like he was trying to would have been a very easy solution! But no... for a lot of cops, the best method seems to be "shoot first, think later." And yes, in this case he did have time to think. If he couldn't think up that much in that amount of time, then he shouldn't be a cop, since next time it could be a 12 year old with a fucking water gun.

Jesus, I wish I hadn't watched that.

Yeah cause when the breed of dog that kills the most people each year is lunging after you, you go ahead and take the time to just turn your back and go get a taser from the local Walmart.

cincybearcat

unsung wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

Don't watch it. It's bothered me since yesterday.

They had time, they knew the dog was there. They could have done many other things before shooting it.

And they could have allowed the guy to secure it, he was willingly standing there in the first place and could have grabbed a gun when he first put the dog it the car. But guess what, he didn't. He did what the police masters told him to.

It sounds to me as if you would have preferred the cop to get mauled instead of the dog getting shot. The dog lunged at them and circled them multiple times and showed no sign of easing of its advances.

The owner should have had its dog confined in the car knowing full well that the cops were advancing towards him. This guy tempted fate daring the cops to deal with him and then with his dog.

And, in this case, he never did get a gun... but cops have a protocol to deal with people: once in cuffs you are not released from cuffs until back at the station. If... IF... they had released the guy and the scenario I painted for you DID happen... bad on them.

Get real, man. Seriously.

Stop being the apologist of the police like they are heroes or something. They used excessive force. Period. The dog never circled one time. It ran up to its' master and stopped, it didn't even bark. Stop making excuses for these lowlifes.

And yeah I hope these pigs lose everything. Fucking all.

You just crossed the line calling them pigs. And I don't think you actually watched the video...didn't bark? It was barking from they car. That idiot should have never put his dog in that situation.

cincybearcat

Now, as for the 2 cops that put the guy in handcuffs...that needs looked into. May be legit, may not. Can't know from that video.