The Confederate flag was created in 1861 as the flag of the seceded Confederate States. Why did they secede? Over states rights. Which state right was under debate? Oh yeah, slavery. This is NOT a symbol of southern heritage unless you still want to secede from the union which the Supreme Court ruled was unconstitutional. As someone said before, I am not offended I am angered by the fact that people not only continue to display the flag but that people still defend its use.
It is a symbol to some who lost family in the fight. Whether they agree it was a good fight or not
they will defend the memory of those lost. It is a matter of family, pride and courage,
worthy things to defend.
Defending someones military service is far different than defending their right to a symbol that denotes slavery and secession. If someone wants to exhibit pride in their southern heritage then I fully support that. But if you are aware of the history of the Confederate flag then I do not see how it can be defended as a symbol of southern heritage. It is a symbol of slavery and secession and I cannot defend those notions.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
The Confederate flag was created in 1861 as the flag of the seceded Confederate States. Why did they secede? Over states rights. Which state right was under debate? Oh yeah, slavery. This is NOT a symbol of southern heritage unless you still want to secede from the union which the Supreme Court ruled was unconstitutional. As someone said before, I am not offended I am angered by the fact that people not only continue to display the flag but that people still defend its use.
It is a symbol to some who lost family in the fight. Whether they agree it was a good fight or not
they will defend the memory of those lost. It is a matter of family, pride and courage,
worthy things to defend.
Defending someones military service is far different than defending their right to a symbol that denotes slavery and secession. If someone wants to exhibit pride in their southern heritage then I fully support that. But if you are aware of the history of the Confederate flag then I do not see how it can be defended as a symbol of southern heritage. It is a symbol of slavery and secession and I cannot defend those notions.
No you can't but many can who lost family. That symbol denotes something much different
than you can comprehend. It does not denote slavery or secession to many who fly it.
Experiencing this has helped me to understand that.
I'm in the 'It depends upon how it is displayed' camp.
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Sort of the same way we view the Reichskriegsflagge of 1938-1945 Germany. In this case, it is acceptable when used to display historical events, it is a historical depiction. When waved at public rallies in 2013, it becomes offensive.
Sometimes, things go a bit too far. Like if you want to build a plastic model of a Focke-Wulf FW-190... most model companies do not include the swastikas on the decal sheet. The Luftwaffe painted swastikas on the tails of their planes. I think the ommission to the decal sheet was based upon pressure because kids attaching swastikas on plastic models was/is considered bad to some people. Personally, I think that we cannot edit history. The swastika was a part of the war and its display in the machines used in that war do not change, simply because we don't like them.
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Now, as to the people that see no harm in the display of the Confederate Battle flag. Again, it depends.
If it is depicted as it was used in its historical sense, such as civil War battle re-enactments or Civil War dioramas... then it is completely acceptable. We should not edit history to fit our perspectives.
But, there is no difference between someone displaying a Confederate Battle Flag or a German Reichskriegsflagge from his front porch or waving it at a public rally... especially a rally where politics are involved. The only acceptance to the latter would be if the rally was to secede from the union or an attempt to create a seperate Nazi nation on American soil. Because that would be something to be accepted.
Just like Swastika is okay on a little plastic model of a FW-190... not okay painted on the door of a Temple, The Confederate Battle Flag waving at a re-enactment of the First Battle at Fredricksberg is fine... waving from at a rally for civil rights... not so much.
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Hail, Hail!!!
It is a symbol to some who lost family in the fight. Whether they agree it was a good fight or not
they will defend the memory of those lost. It is a matter of family, pride and courage,
worthy things to defend.
Defending someones military service is far different than defending their right to a symbol that denotes slavery and secession. If someone wants to exhibit pride in their southern heritage then I fully support that. But if you are aware of the history of the Confederate flag then I do not see how it can be defended as a symbol of southern heritage. It is a symbol of slavery and secession and I cannot defend those notions.
No you can't but many can who lost family. That symbol denotes something much different
than you can comprehend. It does not denote slavery or secession to many who fly it.
Experiencing this has helped me to understand that.
As a life long resident of the south, I CAN comprehend what that symbol denotes. It does denote slavery and secession. Just because people CHOOSE to make it mean something else, like southern heritage or honoring the dead, does not take away from the original intent of the creation of the flag.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
Then again there's people that believe the civil war was fought over slavery.
are you one of the people that calls it "the war of northern aggression"?
I'm not. But unsungs statement is true. The war was about what all wars are about, money.
it was economic, in the sense that the plantation owners not wanting to pay the workers they had working for them. their economy was based on cheep/free labor
> slavery.
if it was the war or northern aggression, who again fired the first shots at ft. sumter?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I also wont judge because everyone needs something to hide their guns under in the back window of their truck. Im just kidding, just kidding... kinda..
i am offended when partiers at campsites raise their rebel flags. i've seen this & i know for a fact that they are without a doubt prejudice. how do i know this? because i personally know them & i believe they are disgusting as they dislike dark skinned folks.
truthfully prejudice rebel flag raisers should be beat with pipes
Slavery ---> Secession ---> Civil War ---> Pearl Jam does not tour the South
No Slavery ---> No Secession ---> No Civil War ---> Pearl Jam would tour the South
It all comes back to slavery.
More like, slavery
>south refuses to pay taxes on slaves or profits off slaves
>government mandates plantation owners to pay taxes
>succession
>civil war
The government (north) didn't give a rats ass that slavery existed. The government simply wanted their piece of the action.
I don't disagree that the war ended up being about slavery. But that is not why it started.
either way, i think we all have seen people that have worn or flown that battle flag as a sign of white supremacy. i hate that flag. even in a museum, i hate the idea behind that flag.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I think "offensive" is the wrong word. It might be semantics, but the backlash against political correctness has deemed words like "offensive" to refer to things that limp-wristed liberals unjustifiably find fault with, rather than something that is truly out of place or objectionable for nefarious reasons. I think a reasonable debate over a flag which was the symbol of a group that enslaved human beings merits better treatment than with politically charged language.
So...with that in mind...
If you believe the people who fly the Confederate flag are doing so out of support for or reverence for or respect for the Confederate side in a war that fought for states' rights, then why don't those people fly their state flag instead? In other words, why have they chosen the Confederate flag - a flag which represented the central confederacy of states who fought for, among other things, slaver's rights - to fly on their trucks or homes, unless they supported exactly what that Confederacy waged war for?
Sure, the flag is historical to some and offensive to others. The argument about which it is, I'll leave to the rest of you. But let's at least stop this blind eye nonsense: the Confederacy, at least in some part, stood for slavery or support for that institution. Seem to me if you didn't support that institution, you might be flying a different flag.
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I'm a New Yorker, i was taught it was about slavery. I married a southern girl with very intelligent parents, one from Virgina and one from North Carolina. They can break it down step by step what lead to what and how it had nothing to do with slavery, i love and respect these people, but i'm not buying it for a second.
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
My in-laws see it as Heritage, and these are some pacifist peace loving fundamentalist christian types.
I'm a New Yorker, i was taught it was about slavery. I married a southern girl with very intelligent parents, one from Virgina and one from North Carolina. They can break it down step by step what lead to what and how it had nothing to do with slavery, i love and respect these people, but i'm not buying it for a second.
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
My in-laws see it as Heritage, and these are some pacifist peace loving fundamentalist christian types.
So your in-laws are denying that the war was about slavery?
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
Your in-laws sound like nice people, but for the same reasons any group might try to cover up, ignore, distance themselves from or explain away an ugly historical fact, Southerners persist in arguing that the Confederacy wasn't at least in part (a large part, most would argue) about preserving the institution of slavery. In some cases (now, for instance), doing so can serve a political purpose. In others, doing so can allow someone to leave their heritage unstained (your nice in-laws, for example). In all cases, doing so obscures the truth.
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I'm a New Yorker, i was taught it was about slavery. I married a southern girl with very intelligent parents, one from Virgina and one from North Carolina. They can break it down step by step what lead to what and how it had nothing to do with slavery, i love and respect these people, but i'm not buying it for a second.
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
My in-laws see it as Heritage, and these are some pacifist peace loving fundamentalist christian types.
Out West, I see it like this: Confederate flag waving from the house: neo-nazi lives here. Flag on the truck: most or all red-neck stereotypes apply to me.
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
Your in-laws sound like nice people, but for the same reasons any group might try to cover up, ignore, distance themselves from or explain away an ugly historical fact, Southerners persist in arguing that the Confederacy wasn't at least in part (a large part, most would argue) about preserving the institution of slavery. In some cases (now, for instance), doing so can serve a political purpose. In others, doing so can allow someone to leave their heritage unstained (your nice in-laws, for example). In all cases, doing so obscures the truth.
I understand what you're saying. But it's textbook fact what the war was about. Are they not teaching factual history in the South in schools, to "preserve heritage"?
I'm a New Yorker, i was taught it was about slavery. I married a southern girl with very intelligent parents, one from Virgina and one from North Carolina. They can break it down step by step what lead to what and how it had nothing to do with slavery, i love and respect these people, but i'm not buying it for a second.
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
My in-laws see it as Heritage, and these are some pacifist peace loving fundamentalist christian types.
So your in-laws are denying that the war was about slavery?
Absolutely, we've had long spirited discussions on the subject, not any more because it's upsets my wife, but when i first met them, oh boy.
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
Your in-laws sound like nice people, but for the same reasons any group might try to cover up, ignore, distance themselves from or explain away an ugly historical fact, Southerners persist in arguing that the Confederacy wasn't at least in part (a large part, most would argue) about preserving the institution of slavery. In some cases (now, for instance), doing so can serve a political purpose. In others, doing so can allow someone to leave their heritage unstained (your nice in-laws, for example). In all cases, doing so obscures the truth.
It makes it hard to argue with them because their not gun waving personal freedom people, but more like intelligent hippie's, beatnicks i guess. It's hard to look them in the eye and say, "but you are defending slavery", because their not, but they are defending the south's history.
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
Your in-laws sound like nice people, but for the same reasons any group might try to cover up, ignore, distance themselves from or explain away an ugly historical fact, Southerners persist in arguing that the Confederacy wasn't at least in part (a large part, most would argue) about preserving the institution of slavery. In some cases (now, for instance), doing so can serve a political purpose. In others, doing so can allow someone to leave their heritage unstained (your nice in-laws, for example). In all cases, doing so obscures the truth.
I understand what you're saying. But it's textbook fact what the war was about. Are they not teaching factual history in the South in schools, to "preserve heritage"?
What textbook are you referring to? I was raised and educated in northwest Indiana and was taught that the civil war was started over money evolved into a slavery issue. My daughter's are being raised and educated about 50 miles away from fort Sumter and they are being taught the same thing in their school.
That being said, is it not a person's right to fly whatever flag he or she wants in this country?
either way, i think we all have seen people that have worn or flown that battle flag as a sign of white supremacy. i hate that flag. even in a museum, i hate the idea behind that flag.
reminds me of a nazi symbol which makes my skin crawl
I'm a New Yorker, i was taught it was about slavery. I married a southern girl with very intelligent parents, one from Virgina and one from North Carolina. They can break it down step by step what lead to what and how it had nothing to do with slavery, i love and respect these people, but i'm not buying it for a second.
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
My in-laws see it as Heritage, and these are some pacifist peace loving fundamentalist christian types.
Out West, I see it like this: Confederate flag waving from the house: neo-nazi lives here. Flag on the truck: most or all red-neck stereotypes apply to me.
I understand what you're saying. But it's textbook fact what the war was about. Are they not teaching factual history in the South in schools, to "preserve heritage"?
I'm not denying what the war was about, and I don't think Binaural is either. I'm merely conceding a point - that being the possibility that there were other reasons in addition to slavery that the war was fought about - to prove my ultimate point: that at the very least, the Confederate flag stands for, whether in full or part, slavery.
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I'm a New Yorker, i was taught it was about slavery. I married a southern girl with very intelligent parents, one from Virgina and one from North Carolina. They can break it down step by step what lead to what and how it had nothing to do with slavery, i love and respect these people, but i'm not buying it for a second.
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
My in-laws see it as Heritage, and these are some pacifist peace loving fundamentalist christian types.
So your in-laws are denying that the war was about slavery?
Absolutely, we've had long spirited discussions on the subject, not any more because it's upsets my wife, but when i first met them, oh boy.
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Defending someones military service is far different than defending their right to a symbol that denotes slavery and secession. If someone wants to exhibit pride in their southern heritage then I fully support that. But if you are aware of the history of the Confederate flag then I do not see how it can be defended as a symbol of southern heritage. It is a symbol of slavery and secession and I cannot defend those notions.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
Then again there's people that believe the civil war was fought over slavery.
No you can't but many can who lost family. That symbol denotes something much different
than you can comprehend. It does not denote slavery or secession to many who fly it.
Experiencing this has helped me to understand that.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm not. But unsungs statement is true. The war was about what all wars are about, money.
...
Sort of the same way we view the Reichskriegsflagge of 1938-1945 Germany. In this case, it is acceptable when used to display historical events, it is a historical depiction. When waved at public rallies in 2013, it becomes offensive.
Sometimes, things go a bit too far. Like if you want to build a plastic model of a Focke-Wulf FW-190... most model companies do not include the swastikas on the decal sheet. The Luftwaffe painted swastikas on the tails of their planes. I think the ommission to the decal sheet was based upon pressure because kids attaching swastikas on plastic models was/is considered bad to some people. Personally, I think that we cannot edit history. The swastika was a part of the war and its display in the machines used in that war do not change, simply because we don't like them.
...
Now, as to the people that see no harm in the display of the Confederate Battle flag. Again, it depends.
If it is depicted as it was used in its historical sense, such as civil War battle re-enactments or Civil War dioramas... then it is completely acceptable. We should not edit history to fit our perspectives.
But, there is no difference between someone displaying a Confederate Battle Flag or a German Reichskriegsflagge from his front porch or waving it at a public rally... especially a rally where politics are involved. The only acceptance to the latter would be if the rally was to secede from the union or an attempt to create a seperate Nazi nation on American soil. Because that would be something to be accepted.
Just like Swastika is okay on a little plastic model of a FW-190... not okay painted on the door of a Temple, The Confederate Battle Flag waving at a re-enactment of the First Battle at Fredricksberg is fine... waving from at a rally for civil rights... not so much.
Hail, Hail!!!
As a life long resident of the south, I CAN comprehend what that symbol denotes. It does denote slavery and secession. Just because people CHOOSE to make it mean something else, like southern heritage or honoring the dead, does not take away from the original intent of the creation of the flag.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
As I stated before, the Civil War was fought over states rights, the state right in question was SLAVERY.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
> slavery.
if it was the war or northern aggression, who again fired the first shots at ft. sumter?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
truthfully prejudice rebel flag raisers should be beat with pipes
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
No Slavery ---> No Secession ---> No Civil War ---> Pearl Jam would tour the South
It all comes back to slavery.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
More like, slavery
>south refuses to pay taxes on slaves or profits off slaves
>government mandates plantation owners to pay taxes
>succession
>civil war
The government (north) didn't give a rats ass that slavery existed. The government simply wanted their piece of the action.
I don't disagree that the war ended up being about slavery. But that is not why it started.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
So...with that in mind...
If you believe the people who fly the Confederate flag are doing so out of support for or reverence for or respect for the Confederate side in a war that fought for states' rights, then why don't those people fly their state flag instead? In other words, why have they chosen the Confederate flag - a flag which represented the central confederacy of states who fought for, among other things, slaver's rights - to fly on their trucks or homes, unless they supported exactly what that Confederacy waged war for?
Sure, the flag is historical to some and offensive to others. The argument about which it is, I'll leave to the rest of you. But let's at least stop this blind eye nonsense: the Confederacy, at least in some part, stood for slavery or support for that institution. Seem to me if you didn't support that institution, you might be flying a different flag.
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:think:
Depends on your neighborhood
Conclusion: you'll never convince a Northerner it wasn't about Slavery and you'll never convince a Southerner it was.
My in-laws see it as Heritage, and these are some pacifist peace loving fundamentalist christian types.
So your in-laws are denying that the war was about slavery?
Your in-laws sound like nice people, but for the same reasons any group might try to cover up, ignore, distance themselves from or explain away an ugly historical fact, Southerners persist in arguing that the Confederacy wasn't at least in part (a large part, most would argue) about preserving the institution of slavery. In some cases (now, for instance), doing so can serve a political purpose. In others, doing so can allow someone to leave their heritage unstained (your nice in-laws, for example). In all cases, doing so obscures the truth.
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Out West, I see it like this: Confederate flag waving from the house: neo-nazi lives here. Flag on the truck: most or all red-neck stereotypes apply to me.
I understand what you're saying. But it's textbook fact what the war was about. Are they not teaching factual history in the South in schools, to "preserve heritage"?
Absolutely, we've had long spirited discussions on the subject, not any more because it's upsets my wife, but when i first met them, oh boy.
It makes it hard to argue with them because their not gun waving personal freedom people, but more like intelligent hippie's, beatnicks i guess. It's hard to look them in the eye and say, "but you are defending slavery", because their not, but they are defending the south's history.
What textbook are you referring to? I was raised and educated in northwest Indiana and was taught that the civil war was started over money evolved into a slavery issue. My daughter's are being raised and educated about 50 miles away from fort Sumter and they are being taught the same thing in their school.
That being said, is it not a person's right to fly whatever flag he or she wants in this country?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I'm not denying what the war was about, and I don't think Binaural is either. I'm merely conceding a point - that being the possibility that there were other reasons in addition to slavery that the war was fought about - to prove my ultimate point: that at the very least, the Confederate flag stands for, whether in full or part, slavery.
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drunken rednecks at the lake enjoying their campsite & waving their rebel flag. a group of inner city thugs are wanting to enjoy the lake.
conflicting interests
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
No offense, but Wow.