Gun owner stops rampage

Abe Froman

catefrances wrote:

any parent who thinks its okay to buy a gun for a 5 year old doesn't deserve to be a parent.

:thumbup:

Abe Froman

pandora wrote:

Who lets five year old watch The Following and Hannibal or take them to
an R rated extremely violent movie that starts at midnight?

Who allows a 6 year old to play violent killing machine video games meant for adults,
for hours at a time for years?

Who lets a five year old little innocent girl prance around adults
without her panties on?

Who leaves their 3, 5 and 6 year old home alone...
only to lose them in a housefire?

Who puts their kids in a car without any protection, not even a seatbelt?

Who swears, drinks, smokes pot, does hard drugs, beats their wife, beats their dog,
beats their children in front of their children?

Nothing surprises me anymore. Some people don't think about anyone but themselves,
about anything other than what they want for themselves
and are clueless the future adults they are raising in their homes.

Buying a gun for a five year old, future hunter, future hobbyist, future sportsmen,
seems young to me as well but definitely not as harmful as some of the above.

Teaching personal responsibility starts young but unfortunately some are never taught
it by their parents because they themselves never learned it from theirs.
Hopefully the future gun enthusiast's parents did.
I assume they are responsible gun owners from the pics but I can see how anti gun people
would not assume this.

This has gotta be one of the more ridiculous statements iv'e read on this board. :fp:

fife

pandora wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

pandora wrote:

Who lets five year old watch The Following and Hannibal or take them to
an R rated extremely violent movie that starts at midnight?

Who allows a 6 year old to play violent killing machine video games meant for adults,
for hours at a time for years?

Who lets a five year old little innocent girl prance around adults
without her panties on?

Who leaves their 3, 5 and 6 year old home alone...
only to lose them in a housefire?

Who puts their kids in a car without any protection, not even a seatbelt?

Who swears, drinks, smokes pot, does hard drugs, beats their wife, beats their dog,
beats their children in front of their children?

Nothing surprises me anymore. Some people don't think about anyone but themselves,
about anything other than what they want for themselves
and are clueless the future adults they are raising in their homes.

Buying a gun for a five year old, future hunter, future hobbyist, future sportsmen,
seems young to me as well but definitely not as harmful as some of the above.


Teaching personal responsibility starts young but unfortunately some are never taught
it by their parents because they themselves never learned it from theirs.
Hopefully the future gun enthusiast's parents did.
I assume they are responsible gun owners from the pics but I can see how anti gun people
would not assume this.

with statements like this

maybe these gun nuts are right

guns are not the problem

people are the problem

people like this

People are aways the problem ...
how do we know this? because not all people use guns irresponsibly quite the contrary.
Just as we know bad parenting comes in all forms nothing what so ever to do with guns.
Because a gun is in a life does not make that life bad.
But of course gun opponents can not separate guns from situations.
They will always assume the worst as we see time and again. These children pictured here
a prime example, some assume they have bad parents although those parents are teaching
personal responsibility to their future sportsmen.

again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.

pandora

fife wrote:

so you really think that shooting real guns doesn't desensitize people but shooting fake guns does? I believe that both do the same thing. you say that anti-gun people assume the worst of gun owners but you seem to withhold any judgement when a gun owner does anything wrong.

can you answer one question, should kids at the age of 5-18 be given guns to shoot?

You would be wrong... ask any target shooter. They are not killing, not watching blood splatter,
seeing body limbs explode off women children. This is mind bending,this is mind changing for a
developing mind. Add in any kind of obsession or fantasy with this and there is real trouble.

You're kidding me right... I loathe gun owners who are irresponsible.
Have no personal responsibility of their own actions. They give gun owners a very bad name
in general which is unfair to me and all other owners who are striving to protect,
prepare and exercise their 2nd amendment rights the right way.

There are laws in place for those under 18 and gun ownership. I would not be so
pushy as to even assume I know what is best for a sportsman's family. How could I?
Do I think a young teen can go legally target practice with their parent... yes
Do I think they can learn to hunt legally with their parent ... yes.
Do I think they can do that at a younger age laws permitting with a parent?
very individualized but yes and it is most likely happening often.

I have more of a problem with the very young gang members out victimizing,
murdering for profit and initiation myself.

pandora

fife wrote:

again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.

I live in Atlanta I see many many killers but I see that as who they are....
not responsible gun owners. I see many many more who are responsible with pure motives.

Who has trouble separating again? I think that would be you and gun opponents.

fife

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.

I live in Atlanta I see many many killers but I see that as who they are....
not responsible gun owners. I see many many more who are responsible with pure motives.

Who has trouble separating again? I think that would be you and gun opponents.

don't you understand that some responsible gun owners also become killers.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

also you seem to have some deep rooted anger towards Jesus, makes me wonder why even though it's not my business.

Godfather.

no, i don't have anger towards jesus. i just have a problem with people who bastardize his message. which seems to be a large number of christians and 95% of televangelists. but that is a topic for a different thread.

ed243421

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

so you really think that shooting real guns doesn't desensitize people but shooting fake guns does? I believe that both do the same thing. you say that anti-gun people assume the worst of gun owners but you seem to withhold any judgement when a gun owner does anything wrong.

can you answer one question, should kids at the age of 5-18 be given guns to shoot?

You would be wrong... ask any target shooter. They are not killing, not watching blood splatter,
seeing body limbs explode off women children. This is mind bending,this is mind changing for a
developing mind. Add in any kind of obsession or fantasy with this and there is real trouble.

You're kidding me right... I loathe gun owners who are irresponsible.
Have no personal responsibility of their own actions. They give gun owners a very bad name
in general which is unfair to me and all other owners who are striving to protect,
prepare and exercise their 2nd amendment rights the right way.

There are laws in place for those under 18 and gun ownership. I would not be so
pushy as to even assume I know what is best for a sportsman's family. How could I?
Do I think a young teen can go legally target practice with their parent... yes
Do I think they can learn to hunt legally with their parent ... yes.
Do I think they can do that at a younger age laws permitting with a parent?
very individualized but yes and it is most likely happening often.

I have more of a problem with the very young gang members out victimizing,
murdering for profit and initiation myself.

you ask a fucking target shooter

i'll ask a fucking hunter

and as always

you are so fucking wrong

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

also you seem to have some deep rooted anger towards Jesus, makes me wonder why even though it's not my business.

Godfather.

no, i don't have anger towards jesus. i just have a problem with people who bastardize his message. which seems to be a large number of christians and 95% of televangelists. but that is a topic for a different thread.

cool, interesting, I would like to hear about it some day (no judgement from me)


Godfather.

pandora

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.

I live in Atlanta I see many many killers but I see that as who they are....
not responsible gun owners. I see many many more who are responsible with pure motives.

Who has trouble separating again? I think that would be you and gun opponents.

don't you understand that some responsible gun owners also become killers.

what is your definition of responsible gun owner?

pandora

ed243421 wrote:

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

so you really think that shooting real guns doesn't desensitize people but shooting fake guns does? I believe that both do the same thing. you say that anti-gun people assume the worst of gun owners but you seem to withhold any judgement when a gun owner does anything wrong.

can you answer one question, should kids at the age of 5-18 be given guns to shoot?

You would be wrong... ask any target shooter. They are not killing, not watching blood splatter,
seeing body limbs explode off women children. This is mind bending,this is mind changing for a
developing mind. Add in any kind of obsession or fantasy with this and there is real trouble.

You're kidding me right... I loathe gun owners who are irresponsible.
Have no personal responsibility of their own actions. They give gun owners a very bad name
in general which is unfair to me and all other owners who are striving to protect,
prepare and exercise their 2nd amendment rights the right way.

There are laws in place for those under 18 and gun ownership. I would not be so
pushy as to even assume I know what is best for a sportsman's family. How could I?
Do I think a young teen can go legally target practice with their parent... yes
Do I think they can learn to hunt legally with their parent ... yes.
Do I think they can do that at a younger age laws permitting with a parent?
very individualized but yes and it is most likely happening often.

I have more of a problem with the very young gang members out victimizing,
murdering for profit and initiation myself.

you ask a fucking target shooter

i'll ask a fucking hunter

and as always

you are so fucking wrong

Well I can tell you don't agree with me thats for sure


Target shooters and hunters are not killing people :? that much we must agree on.

You think I'm wrong google how video games desensitizes users most especially from age 5 on.
You will find many an article, study and besides it is common sense yes?
These games are rated for a reason just like TV and movies,
children's minds are effected by violence.

A child under the guidance and direction of a skilled responsible parent
who is teaching them gun safety and sportsmanship is not violence but just the opposite.

Jason P

Where does a Hattori Hanzo katana sword rank on the list of harmful things for 5 year olds to own?

pandora

Abe Froman wrote:

pandora wrote:

Who lets five year old watch The Following and Hannibal or take them to
an R rated extremely violent movie that starts at midnight?

Who allows a 6 year old to play violent killing machine video games meant for adults,
for hours at a time for years?

Who lets a five year old little innocent girl prance around adults
without her panties on?

Who leaves their 3, 5 and 6 year old home alone...
only to lose them in a housefire?

Who puts their kids in a car without any protection, not even a seatbelt?

Who swears, drinks, smokes pot, does hard drugs, beats their wife, beats their dog,
beats their children in front of their children?

Nothing surprises me anymore. Some people don't think about anyone but themselves,
about anything other than what they want for themselves
and are clueless the future adults they are raising in their homes.

Buying a gun for a five year old, future hunter, future hobbyist, future sportsmen,
seems young to me as well but definitely not as harmful as some of the above.

Teaching personal responsibility starts young but unfortunately some are never taught
it by their parents because they themselves never learned it from theirs.
Hopefully the future gun enthusiast's parents did.
I assume they are responsible gun owners from the pics but I can see how anti gun people
would not assume this.

This has gotta be one of the more ridiculous statements iv'e read on this board. :fp:

well care to elaborate?
never mind ...
we've heard is all and it fails time and again.

The fact you would lump bad parenting in the hideous examples I stated with
a responsible parent teaching a child gun sportsmanship and responsibiliity
tells us why it fails.

gimmesometruth27

Jason P wrote:

Where does a Hattori Hanzo katana sword rank on the list of harmful things for 5 year olds to own?

definitely lower on the list than guns. guns are much safer than that hattori hanzo katana sword.

redrock

pandora wrote:

what is your definition of responsible gun owner?

Ironic... this was asked in many a thread but usually by non gun owners. No 'responsible gun owner' ever came up with a definition (non gun owners have often offered their view of this with regards to storage, safety, training, etc.).

Always using the words but never defining...

I also notice that you have now become a gun owner...

pandora

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

what is your definition of responsible gun owner?

Ironic... this was asked in many a thread but usually by non gun owners. No 'responsible gun owner' ever came up with a definition (non gun owners have often offered their view of this with regards to storage, safety, training, etc.).

Always using the words but never defining...

I also notice that you have now become a gun owner...

I asked that of another poster relevant to their question to me
how can I answer until I know what they consider responsible?

And yes I am now a gunowner... you are slow on the draw with that one...

fife

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.

I live in Atlanta I see many many killers but I see that as who they are....
not responsible gun owners. I see many many more who are responsible with pure motives.

Who has trouble separating again? I think that would be you and gun opponents.

don't you understand that some responsible gun owners also become killers.

what is your definition of responsible gun owner?[/quote]

my definition of a responsible gun is the following. Keeps their guns in a lock safe, takes safety classes and uses common sense.

redrock

pandora wrote:

And yes I am now a gunowner... you are slow on the draw with that one...

Not slow... you always claimed you weren't. That it was JB's gun, not yours. Therefore you weren't in a position to answer the question whether you were a 'responsible' gun owner or not.

redrock

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

don't you understand that some responsible gun owners also become killers.

what is your definition of responsible gun owner?

my definition of a responsible gun is the following. Keeps their guns in a lock safe, takes safety classes and uses common sense.

It goes further fife - they say that to be 'responsible', the gun and the ammo need to be locked up separately and no guns kept loaded. Those are the basic safety rules. No 'responsible gun owner who owned guns for protection' ever confirmed they did that - on the contrary.

Anyway... circular thread again.

pandora

fife wrote:

my definition of a responsible gun is the following. Keeps their guns in a lock safe, takes safety classes and uses common sense.

mine too...
so the killer you speak of then what causes this and do you consider them still responsible?
I mean there isn't much common sense in murder unless your own life or that of a loved one is at stake.