so, gun lovers keep saying that guns don't kill people. using that same logic, guns have never saved anyone from harm. this lead me to the next question: what are guns good for if they don't kill people or animals, or if they don't save people from being harmed?
so, gun lovers keep saying that guns don't kill people. using that same logic, guns have never saved anyone from harm. this lead me to the next question: what are guns good for if they don't kill people or animals, or if they don't save people from being harmed?
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
so, gun lovers keep saying that guns don't kill people. using that same logic, guns have never saved anyone from harm. this lead me to the next question: what are guns good for if they don't kill people or animals, or if they don't save people from being harmed?
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
so, gun lovers keep saying that guns don't kill people. using that same logic, guns have never saved anyone from harm. this lead me to the next question: what are guns good for if they don't kill people or animals, or if they don't save people from being harmed?
the anti gun fanaticsjust don't understand if guns were outlawed that would mean ONLY the public would be bared from owning guns NOT the police,CIA etc.(not to mention criminals)
but the thing to me is who is the government or anybody else for that matter to tell me I can't own a weapon ?
or tell me I can't go hunting for meat or target shoot or own a gun for protection.
it just sucks when OUR (out of control) government tells us we can't have something,in many states gays can't get married,how do you all feel about that or the fact that most of these gun bills are taxing the crap out of ammo and guns or even cigerets,gas/oil to the point where you pay more in taxes than the product is worth it seems like and OUR government keeps taking in OUR money under the disguise of protecting YOU from yourself, they know guns will never go away so they tax the fuck out of them knowing we will pay for them and other products, it's time to wake up folks ...the government is using your emotions to seperate YOU from your money...and then use it in ways we don't aprove of in many cases. :fp:
guns have never saved anyone from harm :? what?
my neighbor is alive because a gun saved him from harm ...
countless stories nationwide everyday
I don't understand why common sense is not with the anti gun people.
The main reason that people own guns is to protect themselves.
The recent surge to arm the average man and women is because criminals
have guns and will always have guns because they do not follow the law.
So logically removing guns from criminals and removing criminals from society
removes the need to own a gun other than those who collect and for sport.
Which does not include me.
So any laws pushed through now should be directed towards those who are criminals
not law abiding responsible gun owners. This alone would help the average citizen
feel safer without the need to arm.
[Pandora]"So any laws pushed through now should be directed towards those who are criminals
not law abiding responsible gun owners. This alone would help the average citizen
feel safer without the need to arm."
the ignore function is really great ... i think less threads would be locked ...
you know you're completely out of touch when you think it's ok to market and sell guns to 5 year olds ... that you have lost any sense of reason and that basically anything that might RESTRICT gun ownership is bad ... in none of the scenarios discussed here nor in congress has there been a discussion of an all out ban on guns ... but that is what the pro gun folks keep bringing up ... :fp:
If someone juggled chainsaws on a unicycle … for a living … they would not defend letting their five year old kid own a chainsaw, less yet juggling the chainsaw on a unicycle.
And when worst comes to worst, they would not say that letting their kid play Duke Nukem is more irresponsible then letting them cut down a tree with a chainsaw.
But who the hell knows. Maybe the kid is going to be a responsible logger some day.
guns have never saved anyone from harm :? what?
my neighbor is alive because a gun saved him from harm ...
countless stories nationwide everyday
I don't understand why common sense is not with the anti gun people.
The main reason that people own guns is to protect themselves.
The recent surge to arm the average man and women is because criminals
have guns and will always have guns because they do not follow the law.
So logically removing guns from criminals and removing criminals from society
removes the need to own a gun other than those who collect and for sport.
Which does not include me.
So any laws pushed through now should be directed towards those who are criminals
not law abiding responsible gun owners. This alone would help the average citizen
feel safer without the need to arm.
he's saying you can't have it both ways. if you believe that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". then it stands to reason then that you have to believe the inverse:"guns don't save people, people save people".
and your last statement is in direct contractiction to what you've always held dear: "why make more laws since criminals don't follow laws?"
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
If someone juggled chainsaws on a unicycle … for a living … they would not defend letting their five year old kid own a chainsaw, less yet juggling the chainsaw on a unicycle.
And when worst comes to worst, they would not say that letting their kid play Duke Nukem is more irresponsible then letting them cut down a tree with a chainsaw.
But who the hell knows. Maybe the kid is going to be a responsible logger some day.
a responsible logger.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
the anti gun fanaticsjust don't understand if guns were outlawed that would mean ONLY the public would be bared from owning guns NOT the police,CIA etc.(not to mention criminals)
but the thing to me is who is the government or anybody else for that matter to tell me I can't own a weapon ?
or tell me I can't go hunting for meat or target shoot or own a gun for protection.
it just sucks when OUR (out of control) government tells us we can't have something,in many states gays can't get married,how do you all feel about that or the fact that most of these gun bills are taxing the crap out of ammo and guns or even cigerets,gas/oil to the point where you pay more in taxes than the product is worth it seems like and OUR government keeps taking in OUR money under the disguise of protecting YOU from yourself, they know guns will never go away so they tax the fuck out of them knowing we will pay for them and other products, it's time to wake up folks ...the government is using your emotions to seperate YOU from your money...and then use it in ways we don't aprove of in many cases. :fp:
Godfather.
it's funny to me you equate people who are against senseless violence as "fanatics". no one is telling you you can't own a gun for the purposes you noted above. NO ONE is against that. you don't need a semi automatic for any of those purposes.
the government tells you you can't have drugs. are you against that? many people use drugs recreationally without harm. where are you protesting against that? why does the government punish me? I'm a responsible drug user!
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
the ignore function is really great ... i think less threads would be locked ...
you know you're completely out of touch when you think it's ok to market and sell guns to 5 year olds ... that you have lost any sense of reason and that basically anything that might RESTRICT gun ownership is bad ... in none of the scenarios discussed here nor in congress has there been a discussion of an all out ban on guns ... but that is what the pro gun folks keep bringing up ... :fp:
and the arguments that are brought forth by pro gun people suggest the only way to curb gun violence is to eradicate guns. cause nothing else will solve our problems in terms of regulation according so.
funny.
sane discussion on perhaps making it hard for someone with mental problems to possess a firearm ... well, why don't we have checks on the same people to own a butter knife?
I don't understand why common sense is not with the anti gun people.
The main reason that people own guns is to protect themselves.
:? :? These are the kind of statements that piss people off Pandora. You're saying that more than half the people on this board lack common sense, while you are the common sense captain.
so, gun lovers keep saying that guns don't kill people. using that same logic, guns have never saved anyone from harm. this lead me to the next question: what are guns good for if they don't kill people or animals, or if they don't save people from being harmed?
What he's saying is that you gun advocates say GUNs dont kill people.. They say people kill people.
go pre is saying that if that's the case, then guns dont save people, but rather that "People save people."
the ignore function is really great ... i think less threads would be locked ...
you know you're completely out of touch when you think it's ok to market and sell guns to 5 year olds ... that you have lost any sense of reason and that basically anything that might RESTRICT gun ownership is bad ... in none of the scenarios discussed here nor in congress has there been a discussion of an all out ban on guns ... but that is what the pro gun folks keep bringing up ... :fp:
In my post I was amazed at the numerous horrible scenarios I posted of children
being victimized by bad parenting and still gun opponents lumped a responsible gun owner
with parents like that.
This why gun opponents consistently fail in their argument. Basic common sense.
Seeing responsible owners as who they are. Seeing all important motives
and reasons for owning. Knowing why people own guns legally and that motives
are honorable in most cases is a must to good common sense.
Gun owners aren't the bad guys. Criminals are the bad guys.
Unfortunately gun opponents are not separating that fact nor directing their energy towards
removing guns from the bad guys and removing bad guys from society.
I also said for me personally 5 was too young an age to start teaching gun safety
but of course that was ignored :?
I have to disagree that banning is not desired by many gun opponents, it is and
is the goal of many.
so, gun lovers keep saying that guns don't kill people. using that same logic, guns have never saved anyone from harm. this lead me to the next question: what are guns good for if they don't kill people or animals, or if they don't save people from being harmed?
What he's saying is that you gun advocates say GUNs dont kill people.. They say people kill people.
go pre is saying that if that's the case, then guns dont save people, but rather that "People save people."
yes why the confused look... yes people save themselves and others due to the fact
they are gun owners. I guess all of us agree to that.
I am convinced some among us have evolved into the type of people that purposefully seek to irritate and annoy by uttering statements that are in contrast with common sense and logic. The size of the gap that exists between what they present and the logic that they receive likely yields a corresponding intrinsic reward (the more absurd and the more obvious it ticks people off... the happier one is for their efforts).
It's like small children that we have all observed. One might poke another and giggle... then persistently do it again. Inevitably, the one getting poked gets upset. The 'poker' often still persists: trying to get the same reaction over and over.
So, connecting the dots, some have not learned to play well with others.
and the arguments that are brought forth by pro gun people suggest the only way to curb gun violence is to eradicate guns. cause nothing else will solve our problems in terms of regulation according so.
funny.
sane discussion on perhaps making it hard for someone with mental problems to possess a firearm ... well, why don't we have checks on the same people to own a butter knife?
I am convinced some among us have evolved into the type of people that purposefully seek to irritate and annoy by uttering statements that are in contrast with common sense and logic. The size of the gap that exists between what they present and the logic that they receive likely yields a corresponding intrinsic reward (the more absurd and the more obvious it ticks people off... the happier one is for their efforts).
It's like small children that we have all observed. One might poke another and giggle... then persistently do it again. Inevitably, the one getting poked gets upset. The 'poker' often still persists: trying to get the same reaction over and over.
So, connecting the dots, some have not learned to play well with others.
Oh I get what you are saying here and agree. You mean like when people use another poster personally in their posts and then tell them they are just messing with them ...
I have seen that as well. Good thing most posters remain positive and don't incessantly pick
on others.
seriously, legos have restrictions saying not appropriate for kids 3 or under. no such thing with guns.
And american kids can't even have Kinder Eggs because they're banned...... But they can have a real gun with real ammo capable of killing real people (and even in pink for the girls!). Chocolate egg - gun? Gun - chocolate egg? Which is most dangerous? Chocolate egg! :shock: :shock:
seriously, legos have restrictions saying not appropriate for kids 3 or under. no such thing with guns.
This is a great point and something that would be a positive law to encourage to be passed.
As I said 5 seemed to young to me... 3 yes there are warnings on toys of all ages.
Guns never a toy, yes, a child must be able to tell the difference.
Your sig now I have mentioned but I haven't said looks so much like our Charlie.
I'm afraid to show it to JB, he'll cry. That is an amazing photo and everything you say
I listen to differently now. The power of positive psychology, I guess. My heart melts.
the anti gun fanaticsjust don't understand if guns were outlawed that would mean ONLY the public would be bared from owning guns NOT the police,CIA etc.(not to mention criminals)
but the thing to me is who is the government or anybody else for that matter to tell me I can't own a weapon ?
or tell me I can't go hunting for meat or target shoot or own a gun for protection.
it just sucks when OUR (out of control) government tells us we can't have something,in many states gays can't get married,how do you all feel about that or the fact that most of these gun bills are taxing the crap out of ammo and guns or even cigerets,gas/oil to the point where you pay more in taxes than the product is worth it seems like and OUR government keeps taking in OUR money under the disguise of protecting YOU from yourself, they know guns will never go away so they tax the fuck out of them knowing we will pay for them and other products, it's time to wake up folks ...the government is using your emotions to seperate YOU from your money...and then use it in ways we don't aprove of in many cases.
the anti gun fanaticsjust don't understand if guns were outlawed that would mean ONLY the public would be bared from owning guns NOT the police,CIA etc.(not to mention criminals)
but the thing to me is who is the government or anybody else for that matter to tell me I can't own a weapon ?
or tell me I can't go hunting for meat or target shoot or own a gun for protection.
it just sucks when OUR (out of control) government tells us we can't have something,in many states gays can't get married,how do you all feel about that or the fact that most of these gun bills are taxing the crap out of ammo and guns or even cigerets,gas/oil to the point where you pay more in taxes than the product is worth it seems like and OUR government keeps taking in OUR money under the disguise of protecting YOU from yourself, they know guns will never go away so they tax the fuck out of them knowing we will pay for them and other products, it's time to wake up folks ...the government is using your emotions to seperate YOU from your money...and then use it in ways we don't aprove of in many cases.
Godfather.
dude ... stop believing everything you read or hear from the NRA and Fox ... it's paranoia ... it's simply not true ... look at all the countries in the world that have gun regulation ... it's simply not true ...
if you want to focus on taxation ... that's a different story ... but saying there will EVER be an all out ban on guns in the US is absurd ...
The only slippery slope I am seeing in regards to guns is not that the guns will be taken away but that we will all become armed without proper training and without proper safety precautions being taken. It is now acceptable in many areas to arm our children to the teeth in order to protect and in order to prove to the government and to the 'anti-gunners' that we are indeed entitled to own whatever gun we want, to take that gun wherever we want and all of this can be done without providing all of the non-criminal, law abiding, non gun owning FELLOW citizens the basic courtesy of showing that you are a responsible gun owner. There is your slippery slope. Not one person on this forum, and from what I have seen many of these fellow forum members would describe themselves as liberals, has said they want a ban on guns. Instead what we are calling for is safe, responsible gun owners that will register their guns that they use for protection or for hunting, to take a class on safe ways to store their guns, and the proper handling of said guns. And we are being unreasonable. No, in fact, it is the pro-gunners that are being unreasonable. Time to quit talking the talk and walk the walk.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
the anti gun fanaticsjust don't understand if guns were outlawed that would mean ONLY the public would be bared from owning guns NOT the police,CIA etc.(not to mention criminals)
but the thing to me is who is the government or anybody else for that matter to tell me I can't own a weapon ?
or tell me I can't go hunting for meat or target shoot or own a gun for protection.
it just sucks when OUR (out of control) government tells us we can't have something,in many states gays can't get married,how do you all feel about that or the fact that most of these gun bills are taxing the crap out of ammo and guns or even cigerets,gas/oil to the point where you pay more in taxes than the product is worth it seems like and OUR government keeps taking in OUR money under the disguise of protecting YOU from yourself, they know guns will never go away so they tax the fuck out of them knowing we will pay for them and other products, it's time to wake up folks ...the government is using your emotions to seperate YOU from your money...and then use it in ways we don't aprove of in many cases.
Godfather.
dude ... stop believing everything you read or hear from the NRA and Fox ... it's paranoia ... it's simply not true ... look at all the countries in the world that have gun regulation ... it's simply not true ...
if you want to focus on taxation ... that's a different story ... but saying there will EVER be an all out ban on guns in the US is absurd ...
please re-read my post and you will see that I had mentioned"they know guns will never go away so they tax the fuck out of them knowing we will pay for them "
The only slippery slope I am seeing in regards to guns is not that the guns will be taken away but that we will all become armed without proper training and without proper safety precautions being taken. It is now acceptable in many areas to arm our children to the teeth in order to protect and in order to prove to the government and to the 'anti-gunners' that we are indeed entitled to own whatever gun we want, to take that gun wherever we want and all of this can be done without providing all of the non-criminal, law abiding, non gun owning FELLOW citizens the basic courtesy of showing that you are a responsible gun owner. There is your slippery slope. Not one person on this forum, and from what I have seen many of these fellow forum members would describe themselves as liberals, has said they want a ban on guns. Instead what we are calling for is safe, responsible gun owners that will register their guns that they use for protection or for hunting, to take a class on safe ways to store their guns, and the proper handling of said guns. And we are being unreasonable. No, in fact, it is the pro-gunners that are being unreasonable. Time to quit talking the talk and walk the walk.
The only slippery slope I am seeing in regards to guns is not that the guns will be taken away but that we will all become armed without proper training and without proper safety precautions being taken. It is now acceptable in many areas to arm our children to the teeth in order to protect and in order to prove to the government and to the 'anti-gunners' that we are indeed entitled to own whatever gun we want, to take that gun wherever we want and all of this can be done without providing all of the non-criminal, law abiding, non gun owning FELLOW citizens the basic courtesy of showing that you are a responsible gun owner. There is your slippery slope. Not one person on this forum, and from what I have seen many of these fellow forum members would describe themselves as liberals, has said they want a ban on guns. Instead what we are calling for is safe, responsible gun owners that will register their guns that they use for protection or for hunting, to take a class on safe ways to store their guns, and the proper handling of said guns. And we are being unreasonable. No, in fact, it is the pro-gunners that are being unreasonable. Time to quit talking the talk and walk the walk.
I will never register any of my firearms.
Ok, have you taken a gun safety class? Do you properly store your guns? Do you teach your kids (if you have kids) proper gun safety techniques?
Also, do you register your car? Do you get your drivers license? What about your boat, motorcycle, etc? Where is your willingness to compromise? I think most gun control advocates have proven they are willing to compromise what about those of you that are pro-gun?
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
the anti gun fanaticsjust don't understand if guns were outlawed that would mean ONLY the public would be bared from owning guns NOT the police,CIA etc.(not to mention criminals)
but the thing to me is who is the government or anybody else for that matter to tell me I can't own a weapon ?
or tell me I can't go hunting for meat or target shoot or own a gun for protection.
it just sucks when OUR (out of control) government tells us we can't have something,in many states gays can't get married,how do you all feel about that or the fact that most of these gun bills are taxing the crap out of ammo and guns or even cigerets,gas/oil to the point where you pay more in taxes than the product is worth it seems like and OUR government keeps taking in OUR money under the disguise of protecting YOU from yourself, they know guns will never go away so they tax the fuck out of them knowing we will pay for them and other products, it's time to wake up folks ...the government is using your emotions to seperate YOU from your money...and then use it in ways we don't aprove of in many cases. :fp:
Godfather.
my neighbor is alive because a gun saved him from harm ...
countless stories nationwide everyday
I don't understand why common sense is not with the anti gun people.
The main reason that people own guns is to protect themselves.
The recent surge to arm the average man and women is because criminals
have guns and will always have guns because they do not follow the law.
So logically removing guns from criminals and removing criminals from society
removes the need to own a gun other than those who collect and for sport.
Which does not include me.
So any laws pushed through now should be directed towards those who are criminals
not law abiding responsible gun owners. This alone would help the average citizen
feel safer without the need to arm.
not law abiding responsible gun owners. This alone would help the average citizen
feel safer without the need to arm."
:thumbup:
Godfather.
you know you're completely out of touch when you think it's ok to market and sell guns to 5 year olds ... that you have lost any sense of reason and that basically anything that might RESTRICT gun ownership is bad ... in none of the scenarios discussed here nor in congress has there been a discussion of an all out ban on guns ... but that is what the pro gun folks keep bringing up ... :fp:
And when worst comes to worst, they would not say that letting their kid play Duke Nukem is more irresponsible then letting them cut down a tree with a chainsaw.
But who the hell knows. Maybe the kid is going to be a responsible logger some day.
he's saying you can't have it both ways. if you believe that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". then it stands to reason then that you have to believe the inverse:"guns don't save people, people save people".
and your last statement is in direct contractiction to what you've always held dear: "why make more laws since criminals don't follow laws?"
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
it's funny to me you equate people who are against senseless violence as "fanatics". no one is telling you you can't own a gun for the purposes you noted above. NO ONE is against that. you don't need a semi automatic for any of those purposes.
the government tells you you can't have drugs. are you against that? many people use drugs recreationally without harm. where are you protesting against that? why does the government punish me? I'm a responsible drug user!
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
this what the AMT keeps bringing up.
Godfather.
who's bringing up an all out ban on guns?
and the arguments that are brought forth by pro gun people suggest the only way to curb gun violence is to eradicate guns. cause nothing else will solve our problems in terms of regulation according so.
funny.
sane discussion on perhaps making it hard for someone with mental problems to possess a firearm ... well, why don't we have checks on the same people to own a butter knife?
logical.
:? :? These are the kind of statements that piss people off Pandora. You're saying that more than half the people on this board lack common sense, while you are the common sense captain.
You might have missed the point... I think you need to re-read his post --
What he's saying is that you gun advocates say GUNs dont kill people.. They say people kill people.
go pre is saying that if that's the case, then guns dont save people, but rather that "People save people."
being victimized by bad parenting and still gun opponents lumped a responsible gun owner
with parents like that.
This why gun opponents consistently fail in their argument. Basic common sense.
Seeing responsible owners as who they are. Seeing all important motives
and reasons for owning. Knowing why people own guns legally and that motives
are honorable in most cases is a must to good common sense.
Gun owners aren't the bad guys. Criminals are the bad guys.
Unfortunately gun opponents are not separating that fact nor directing their energy towards
removing guns from the bad guys and removing bad guys from society.
I also said for me personally 5 was too young an age to start teaching gun safety
but of course that was ignored :?
I have to disagree that banning is not desired by many gun opponents, it is and
is the goal of many.
they are gun owners. I guess all of us agree to that.
It's like small children that we have all observed. One might poke another and giggle... then persistently do it again. Inevitably, the one getting poked gets upset. The 'poker' often still persists: trying to get the same reaction over and over.
So, connecting the dots, some have not learned to play well with others.
in the case of the 5 year old killing his sister...
if a good kid with a gun had been there he would have stopped the bad kid with the gun...
:fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
it's totally a double :fp: with a :wtf:
personally in their posts and then tell them they are just messing with them ...
I have seen that as well. Good thing most posters remain positive and don't incessantly pick
on others.
And american kids can't even have Kinder Eggs because they're banned...... But they can have a real gun with real ammo capable of killing real people (and even in pink for the girls!). Chocolate egg - gun? Gun - chocolate egg? Which is most dangerous? Chocolate egg! :shock:
As I said 5 seemed to young to me... 3 yes there are warnings on toys of all ages.
Guns never a toy, yes, a child must be able to tell the difference.
Your sig now I have mentioned but I haven't said looks so much like our Charlie.
I'm afraid to show it to JB, he'll cry. That is an amazing photo and everything you say
I listen to differently now. The power of positive psychology, I guess. My heart melts.
the anti gun fanaticsjust don't understand if guns were outlawed that would mean ONLY the public would be bared from owning guns NOT the police,CIA etc.(not to mention criminals)
but the thing to me is who is the government or anybody else for that matter to tell me I can't own a weapon ?
or tell me I can't go hunting for meat or target shoot or own a gun for protection.
it just sucks when OUR (out of control) government tells us we can't have something,in many states gays can't get married,how do you all feel about that or the fact that most of these gun bills are taxing the crap out of ammo and guns or even cigerets,gas/oil to the point where you pay more in taxes than the product is worth it seems like and OUR government keeps taking in OUR money under the disguise of protecting YOU from yourself, they know guns will never go away so they tax the fuck out of them knowing we will pay for them and other products, it's time to wake up folks ...the government is using your emotions to seperate YOU from your money...and then use it in ways we don't aprove of in many cases.
Godfather.
dude ... stop believing everything you read or hear from the NRA and Fox ... it's paranoia ... it's simply not true ... look at all the countries in the world that have gun regulation ... it's simply not true ...
if you want to focus on taxation ... that's a different story ... but saying there will EVER be an all out ban on guns in the US is absurd ...
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
please re-read my post and you will see that I had mentioned"they know guns will never go away so they tax the fuck out of them knowing we will pay for them "
Godfather.
I will never register any of my firearms.
Ok, have you taken a gun safety class? Do you properly store your guns? Do you teach your kids (if you have kids) proper gun safety techniques?
Also, do you register your car? Do you get your drivers license? What about your boat, motorcycle, etc? Where is your willingness to compromise? I think most gun control advocates have proven they are willing to compromise what about those of you that are pro-gun?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE