Gun owner stops rampage

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  • Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,281
    any parent who thinks its okay to buy a gun for a 5 year old doesn't deserve to be a parent.
    :thumbup:
  • Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,281
    pandora wrote:
    Who lets five year old watch The Following and Hannibal or take them to
    an R rated extremely violent movie that starts at midnight?

    Who allows a 6 year old to play violent killing machine video games meant for adults,
    for hours at a time for years?

    Who lets a five year old little innocent girl prance around adults
    without her panties on?

    Who leaves their 3, 5 and 6 year old home alone...
    only to lose them in a housefire?

    Who puts their kids in a car without any protection, not even a seatbelt?

    Who swears, drinks, smokes pot, does hard drugs, beats their wife, beats their dog,
    beats their children in front of their children?

    Nothing surprises me anymore. Some people don't think about anyone but themselves,
    about anything other than what they want for themselves
    and are clueless the future adults they are raising in their homes.

    Buying a gun for a five year old, future hunter, future hobbyist, future sportsmen,
    seems young to me as well but definitely not as harmful as some of the above.


    Teaching personal responsibility starts young but unfortunately some are never taught
    it by their parents because they themselves never learned it from theirs.
    Hopefully the future gun enthusiast's parents did.
    I assume they are responsible gun owners from the pics but I can see how anti gun people
    would not assume this.
    This has gotta be one of the more ridiculous statements iv'e read on this board. :fp:
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    pandora wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Who lets five year old watch The Following and Hannibal or take them to
    an R rated extremely violent movie that starts at midnight?

    Who allows a 6 year old to play violent killing machine video games meant for adults,
    for hours at a time for years?

    Who lets a five year old little innocent girl prance around adults
    without her panties on?

    Who leaves their 3, 5 and 6 year old home alone...
    only to lose them in a housefire?

    Who puts their kids in a car without any protection, not even a seatbelt?

    Who swears, drinks, smokes pot, does hard drugs, beats their wife, beats their dog,
    beats their children in front of their children?

    Nothing surprises me anymore. Some people don't think about anyone but themselves,
    about anything other than what they want for themselves
    and are clueless the future adults they are raising in their homes.

    Buying a gun for a five year old, future hunter, future hobbyist, future sportsmen,
    seems young to me as well but definitely not as harmful as some of the above.



    Teaching personal responsibility starts young but unfortunately some are never taught
    it by their parents because they themselves never learned it from theirs.
    Hopefully the future gun enthusiast's parents did.
    I assume they are responsible gun owners from the pics but I can see how anti gun people
    would not assume this.

    with statements like this

    maybe these gun nuts are right

    guns are not the problem

    people are the problem

    people like this
    People are aways the problem ...
    how do we know this? because not all people use guns irresponsibly quite the contrary.
    Just as we know bad parenting comes in all forms nothing what so ever to do with guns.
    Because a gun is in a life does not make that life bad.
    But of course gun opponents can not separate guns from situations.
    They will always assume the worst as we see time and again. These children pictured here
    a prime example, some assume they have bad parents although those parents are teaching
    personal responsibility to their future sportsmen.

    again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    fife wrote:
    so you really think that shooting real guns doesn't desensitize people but shooting fake guns does? I believe that both do the same thing. you say that anti-gun people assume the worst of gun owners but you seem to withhold any judgement when a gun owner does anything wrong.

    can you answer one question, should kids at the age of 5-18 be given guns to shoot?
    You would be wrong... ask any target shooter. They are not killing, not watching blood splatter,
    seeing body limbs explode off women children. This is mind bending,this is mind changing for a
    developing mind. Add in any kind of obsession or fantasy with this and there is real trouble.

    You're kidding me right... I loathe gun owners who are irresponsible.
    Have no personal responsibility of their own actions. They give gun owners a very bad name
    in general which is unfair to me and all other owners who are striving to protect,
    prepare and exercise their 2nd amendment rights the right way.

    There are laws in place for those under 18 and gun ownership. I would not be so
    pushy as to even assume I know what is best for a sportsman's family. How could I?
    Do I think a young teen can go legally target practice with their parent... yes
    Do I think they can learn to hunt legally with their parent ... yes.
    Do I think they can do that at a younger age laws permitting with a parent?
    very individualized but yes and it is most likely happening often.

    I have more of a problem with the very young gang members out victimizing,
    murdering for profit and initiation myself.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    fife wrote:
    again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.
    :lol: I live in Atlanta I see many many killers but I see that as who they are....
    not responsible gun owners. I see many many more who are responsible with pure motives.

    Who has trouble separating again? I think that would be you and gun opponents.
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.
    :lol: I live in Atlanta I see many many killers but I see that as who they are....
    not responsible gun owners. I see many many more who are responsible with pure motives.

    Who has trouble separating again? I think that would be you and gun opponents.

    don't you understand that some responsible gun owners also become killers.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Godfather. wrote:
    also you seem to have some deep rooted anger towards Jesus, makes me wonder why even though it's not my business.

    Godfather.
    no, i don't have anger towards jesus. i just have a problem with people who bastardize his message. which seems to be a large number of christians and 95% of televangelists. but that is a topic for a different thread.
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  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,659
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    so you really think that shooting real guns doesn't desensitize people but shooting fake guns does? I believe that both do the same thing. you say that anti-gun people assume the worst of gun owners but you seem to withhold any judgement when a gun owner does anything wrong.

    can you answer one question, should kids at the age of 5-18 be given guns to shoot?


    You would be wrong... ask any target shooter. They are not killing, not watching blood splatter,
    seeing body limbs explode off women children. This is mind bending,this is mind changing for a
    developing mind. Add in any kind of obsession or fantasy with this and there is real trouble.


    You're kidding me right... I loathe gun owners who are irresponsible.
    Have no personal responsibility of their own actions. They give gun owners a very bad name
    in general which is unfair to me and all other owners who are striving to protect,
    prepare and exercise their 2nd amendment rights the right way.

    There are laws in place for those under 18 and gun ownership. I would not be so
    pushy as to even assume I know what is best for a sportsman's family. How could I?
    Do I think a young teen can go legally target practice with their parent... yes
    Do I think they can learn to hunt legally with their parent ... yes.
    Do I think they can do that at a younger age laws permitting with a parent?
    very individualized but yes and it is most likely happening often.

    I have more of a problem with the very young gang members out victimizing,
    murdering for profit and initiation myself.


    you ask a fucking target shooter

    i'll ask a fucking hunter

    and as always

    you are so fucking wrong
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    also you seem to have some deep rooted anger towards Jesus, makes me wonder why even though it's not my business.

    Godfather.
    no, i don't have anger towards jesus. i just have a problem with people who bastardize his message. which seems to be a large number of christians and 95% of televangelists. but that is a topic for a different thread.

    cool, interesting, I would like to hear about it some day (no judgement from me)


    Godfather.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.
    :lol: I live in Atlanta I see many many killers but I see that as who they are....
    not responsible gun owners. I see many many more who are responsible with pure motives.

    Who has trouble separating again? I think that would be you and gun opponents.

    don't you understand that some responsible gun owners also become killers.
    what is your definition of responsible gun owner?
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    ed243421 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    so you really think that shooting real guns doesn't desensitize people but shooting fake guns does? I believe that both do the same thing. you say that anti-gun people assume the worst of gun owners but you seem to withhold any judgement when a gun owner does anything wrong.

    can you answer one question, should kids at the age of 5-18 be given guns to shoot?


    You would be wrong... ask any target shooter. They are not killing, not watching blood splatter,
    seeing body limbs explode off women children. This is mind bending,this is mind changing for a
    developing mind. Add in any kind of obsession or fantasy with this and there is real trouble.


    You're kidding me right... I loathe gun owners who are irresponsible.
    Have no personal responsibility of their own actions. They give gun owners a very bad name
    in general which is unfair to me and all other owners who are striving to protect,
    prepare and exercise their 2nd amendment rights the right way.

    There are laws in place for those under 18 and gun ownership. I would not be so
    pushy as to even assume I know what is best for a sportsman's family. How could I?
    Do I think a young teen can go legally target practice with their parent... yes
    Do I think they can learn to hunt legally with their parent ... yes.
    Do I think they can do that at a younger age laws permitting with a parent?
    very individualized but yes and it is most likely happening often.

    I have more of a problem with the very young gang members out victimizing,
    murdering for profit and initiation myself.


    you ask a fucking target shooter

    i'll ask a fucking hunter

    and as always

    you are so fucking wrong
    Well I can tell you don't agree with me thats for sure :lol:


    Target shooters and hunters are not killing people :? that much we must agree on.

    You think I'm wrong google how video games desensitizes users most especially from age 5 on.
    You will find many an article, study and besides it is common sense yes?
    These games are rated for a reason just like TV and movies,
    children's minds are effected by violence.

    A child under the guidance and direction of a skilled responsible parent
    who is teaching them gun safety and sportsmanship is not violence but just the opposite.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Where does a Hattori Hanzo katana sword rank on the list of harmful things for 5 year olds to own?
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Abe Froman wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Who lets five year old watch The Following and Hannibal or take them to
    an R rated extremely violent movie that starts at midnight?

    Who allows a 6 year old to play violent killing machine video games meant for adults,
    for hours at a time for years?

    Who lets a five year old little innocent girl prance around adults
    without her panties on?

    Who leaves their 3, 5 and 6 year old home alone...
    only to lose them in a housefire?

    Who puts their kids in a car without any protection, not even a seatbelt?

    Who swears, drinks, smokes pot, does hard drugs, beats their wife, beats their dog,
    beats their children in front of their children?

    Nothing surprises me anymore. Some people don't think about anyone but themselves,
    about anything other than what they want for themselves
    and are clueless the future adults they are raising in their homes.

    Buying a gun for a five year old, future hunter, future hobbyist, future sportsmen,
    seems young to me as well but definitely not as harmful as some of the above.


    Teaching personal responsibility starts young but unfortunately some are never taught
    it by their parents because they themselves never learned it from theirs.
    Hopefully the future gun enthusiast's parents did.
    I assume they are responsible gun owners from the pics but I can see how anti gun people
    would not assume this.
    This has gotta be one of the more ridiculous statements iv'e read on this board. :fp:
    well care to elaborate?
    never mind ...
    we've heard is all and it fails time and again.

    The fact you would lump bad parenting in the hideous examples I stated with
    a responsible parent teaching a child gun sportsmanship and responsibiliity
    tells us why it fails.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Jason P wrote:
    Where does a Hattori Hanzo katana sword rank on the list of harmful things for 5 year olds to own?
    definitely lower on the list than guns. guns are much safer than that hattori hanzo katana sword.
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:

    what is your definition of responsible gun owner?

    Ironic... this was asked in many a thread but usually by non gun owners. No 'responsible gun owner' ever came up with a definition (non gun owners have often offered their view of this with regards to storage, safety, training, etc.).

    Always using the words but never defining...

    I also notice that you have now become a gun owner... ;)
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:

    what is your definition of responsible gun owner?

    Ironic... this was asked in many a thread but usually by non gun owners. No 'responsible gun owner' ever came up with a definition (non gun owners have often offered their view of this with regards to storage, safety, training, etc.).

    Always using the words but never defining...

    I also notice that you have now become a gun owner... ;)
    I asked that of another poster relevant to their question to me
    how can I answer until I know what they consider responsible?

    And yes I am now a gunowner... you are slow on the draw with that one... :lol:
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    again i will say this, you seem to have a problem with seeing negatives when it comes to this issue. you rather see gun owner just as sportmans but never as killers.
    :lol: I live in Atlanta I see many many killers but I see that as who they are....
    not responsible gun owners. I see many many more who are responsible with pure motives.

    Who has trouble separating again? I think that would be you and gun opponents.

    don't you understand that some responsible gun owners also become killers.
    what is your definition of responsible gun owner?[/quote]

    my definition of a responsible gun is the following. Keeps their guns in a lock safe, takes safety classes and uses common sense.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:

    And yes I am now a gunowner... you are slow on the draw with that one... :lol:

    Not slow... you always claimed you weren't. That it was JB's gun, not yours. Therefore you weren't in a position to answer the question whether you were a 'responsible' gun owner or not.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:

    don't you understand that some responsible gun owners also become killers.
    what is your definition of responsible gun owner?

    my definition of a responsible gun is the following. Keeps their guns in a lock safe, takes safety classes and uses common sense.

    It goes further fife - they say that to be 'responsible', the gun and the ammo need to be locked up separately and no guns kept loaded. Those are the basic safety rules. No 'responsible gun owner who owned guns for protection' ever confirmed they did that - on the contrary.

    Anyway... circular thread again.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    fife wrote:
    my definition of a responsible gun is the following. Keeps their guns in a lock safe, takes safety classes and uses common sense.
    mine too...
    so the killer you speak of then what causes this and do you consider them still responsible?
    I mean there isn't much common sense in murder unless your own life or that of a loved one is at stake.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    the logic ..its ok to have guns,cos you can die from many others reason too,.
    the logic..its ok to have guns..cos people sucks
    the logic its ok to have guns cos maybe one day you will be Rambo-superman-jack noirris all at one person and you will defend your self and save the whole city..
    .its just crazy talk..
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    redrock wrote:
    Therefore you weren't in a position to answer the question whether you were a 'responsible' gun owner or not.
    from the moment those guns can kill someone there is no such thing as 'responsible' gun owner..
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    colbert hits it out of the park again. exposes hypocracy of the nra and the right in this video.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/0 ... 01618.html
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    my definition of a responsible gun is the following. Keeps their guns in a lock safe, takes safety classes and uses common sense.
    mine too...
    so the killer you speak of then what causes this and do you consider them still responsible?
    I mean there isn't much common sense in murder unless your own life or that of a loved one is at stake.

    killing in self defence is not murder. murder is a legal term used to define intent in the determination of whether a killing is unlawful.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    my definition of a responsible gun is the following. Keeps their guns in a lock safe, takes safety classes and uses common sense.
    mine too...
    so the killer you speak of then what causes this and do you consider them still responsible?
    I mean there isn't much common sense in killing unless your own life or that of a loved one is at stake.

    killing in self defence is not murder. murder is a legal term used to define intent in the determination of whether a killing is unlawful.


    fixed thanks!
  • pandora wrote:
    Abe Froman wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Who lets five year old watch The Following and Hannibal or take them to
    an R rated extremely violent movie that starts at midnight?

    Who allows a 6 year old to play violent killing machine video games meant for adults,
    for hours at a time for years?

    Who lets a five year old little innocent girl prance around adults
    without her panties on?

    Who leaves their 3, 5 and 6 year old home alone...
    only to lose them in a housefire?

    Who puts their kids in a car without any protection, not even a seatbelt?

    Who swears, drinks, smokes pot, does hard drugs, beats their wife, beats their dog,
    beats their children in front of their children?

    Nothing surprises me anymore. Some people don't think about anyone but themselves,
    about anything other than what they want for themselves
    and are clueless the future adults they are raising in their homes.

    Buying a gun for a five year old, future hunter, future hobbyist, future sportsmen,
    seems young to me as well but definitely not as harmful as some of the above.


    Teaching personal responsibility starts young but unfortunately some are never taught
    it by their parents because they themselves never learned it from theirs.
    Hopefully the future gun enthusiast's parents did.
    I assume they are responsible gun owners from the pics but I can see how anti gun people
    would not assume this.
    This has gotta be one of the more ridiculous statements iv'e read on this board. :fp:
    well care to elaborate?
    never mind ...
    we've heard is all and it fails time and again.

    The fact you would lump bad parenting in the hideous examples I stated with
    a responsible parent teaching a child gun sportsmanship and responsibiliity
    tells us why it fails.

    you call a person who buys a 5 year old a gun a fucking responsible parent?? BWAHAHAHAHAHA
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  • between letting kindergarteners own guns and some women deserving rape, I really think you've finally gone off the deep end.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    ...Who puts their kids in a car without any protection, not even a seatbelt?


    aaaahh the 70s. ;)8-)
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    pandora wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Who lets a five year old little innocent girl prance around adults without her panties on?
    you call a person who buys a 5 year old a gun a fucking responsible parent?? BWAHAHAHAHAHA
    ...
    Seriously...
    Who the fuck gets aroused by a 5 year old running around naked?
    The person that sexualize a naked 5 year old... in my book, THAT'S the one with fucking problem.
    Pervert.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/0 ... t-security



    A US man turned his gun on himself after being confronted by law officials at security at Houston's Bush International Airport.

    The man tried to get through security with a gun, and then killed himself when authorities tried to stop him, CNN reports, citing law enforcement sources.

    The man walked into the airport's Terminal B with a military-style semi-automatic rifle and fired shots into the ceiling.

    When an air marshal confronted him, the man pulled out a second gun and shot himself, CNN reports.

    A call that there had been a "discharge of firearms" came into police, said John Cannon, the spokesman said.

    The shots were fired near the ticket counter in Terminal B at Bush Intercontinental Airport, he said.

    Dale Howard was at the baggage handling area of the airport waiting for his sister to arrive on an incoming flight when he heard two shots fired from the floor above. A few seconds later, he said he heard three more shots.

    "People were screaming. I knew exactly what it was - gunfire," Mr Howard said.

    Police from an adjacent station rushed in, and Mr Howard said he directed them to the floor above.

    Parts of the terminal were blocked off as police investigate
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