1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
11. And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are committing a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.
1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
11. And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are committing a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.
1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
11. And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are committing a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.
1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
11. And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are committing a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.
This goes against every porn movie i've ever seen. :crazy:
:shock:
I know it can be taken as comical... But it's not supposed to be, it's kinda written for young people, I believe.
Most of the things i joke about are so unthinkable to me that i can only laugh at them. I can't say who taught me to respect women or Not to Rape but it always been in me, like it's innate i think is the word. Sucks there's monsters out there, but i need only watch the news to be reminded there are.
Looking at nr. 2 - a male friend of mine used to cross the street if he saw there was a woman coming towards him and the streets were deserted or it was dark. Not because he was afraid of women but because the did think they may seem threatening (he was quite big in a tall and muscly way and 'grungy' looking). I thought that was nice of him but I thought that was quite sad too...
1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
11. And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are committing a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.
No great loss to the girlfriend - betcha she's got a 'rabbit' or two that can take care of things in a very sastisfactory way - whether the team wins or loses!!!!
Also... some are posting about mothers teaching their daughters.... How about mothers AND fathers teaching their sons & daughters?
Well I should say so. Rape is a MALE issue more than it is a female one. It should be MEN who take up this cause more seriously than anyone. The fight against rape should be led my men, directed towards men, yet this cause is practically non-existent.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Well I should say so. Rape is a MALE issue more than it is a female one. It should be MEN who take up this cause more seriously than anyone. The fight against rape should be led my men, directed towards men, yet this cause is practically non-existent.
Jeff Martin of The Tea Party is a huge advocate and constant supporter of The White Ribbon campaign, which is an organization dedicated to men stopping domestic violence. The song Release by the band is about domestic violence, and the proceeds for the remix of the song went to that cause. He has also performed and emceed many of their events.
Well I should say so. Rape is a MALE issue more than it is a female one. It should be MEN who take up this cause more seriously than anyone. The fight against rape should be led my men, directed towards men, yet this cause is practically non-existent.
Jeff Martin of The Tea Party is a huge advocate and constant supporter of The White Ribbon campaign, which is an organization dedicated to men stopping domestic violence. The song Release by the band is about domestic violence, and the proceeds for the remix of the song went to that cause. He has also performed and emceed many of their events.
Yeah, that's nice. Alan Alda is also an advocate. But despite these wonderful men involved in this cause, it is still basically a non-issue among men in general, and that pisses me off, frankly.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
HFD - didn't know about this organisation - I like it.
It Starts With You, It Stays With Him is an initiative of White Ribbon Canada in partnership with The Ontario Government and COPA, with a goal to engage men (community leaders educators, fathers, coaches etc.) in a mentorship role to the boys and young men in their lives.
Be an inspiring male role model and help boys create a future where men and women live free from violence and inequality.
You are right PJ_Soul - this 'rape' thing is a male issue. Unfortunately, the 'laddish' behaviour is so engrained in men that a lot will not see anything wrong with the way they behave or think. And I'm not even talking rape or 'she's asking for it' type behaviour but just the 'boys will be boys' behaviour which men dismiss as inoffensive, as do some women ('ah... that's just the way men are... take no notice!).
Those kind of guys (which help to perpetuate the image of women as 'tits on legs', 'meat', etc.) just don't relate to rape. Don't see that their way of thinking can be the beginning of a dangerous path (eg - date rape, 'forceful sex' which they may not consider rape).
Whilst this White Ribbon organisation may be small, may not have massive impact yet, hopefully it is a sign that men do care what other men do. Men do care that they don't want to all be judged as rapists in the making.
1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
11. And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are committing a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.
1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
11. And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are committing a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.
1) If you feel like stealing, go ask a friend to stop you
Or murder:
1) when you are so upset at someone and feel like killing them, hug a teddy bear.
Sounds great, but there are bad people out there and it is up to each individual to help protect themselves and avoid dangerous situations.
That's true too, but it's not a one or the other situation though, and MUCH more focus needs to be on the behaviour and attitude of men and how they are educated... And there should also be a push to absolutely shame men who have disrespectful attitudes towards women, kind of like people try to shame racists. As it stands now, fat people are made to feel more ashamed than misogynistic men are. And the legal consequences of violence towards other people, and especially sexually motivated violence, should be MUCH more severe as well.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
That's true too, but it's not a one or the other situation though, and MUCH more focus needs to be on the behaviour and attitude of men and how they are educated... And there should also be a push to absolutely shame men who have disrespectful attitudes towards women, kind of like people try to shame racists. As it stands now, fat people are made to feel more ashamed than misogynistic men are. And the legal consequences of violence towards other people, and especially sexually motivated violence, should be MUCH more severe as well.
Very true.
But at the end of the day, each individual can really only take care of themselves. Lots of changing as a society needed, but until it gets done, you gotta look out for #1.
That's true too, but it's not a one or the other situation though, and MUCH more focus needs to be on the behaviour and attitude of men and how they are educated... And there should also be a push to absolutely shame men who have disrespectful attitudes towards women, kind of like people try to shame racists. As it stands now, fat people are made to feel more ashamed than misogynistic men are. And the legal consequences of violence towards other people, and especially sexually motivated violence, should be MUCH more severe as well.
Very true.
But at the end of the day, each individual can really only take care of themselves. Lots of changing as a society needed, but until it gets done, you gotta look out for #1.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
That's true too, but it's not a one or the other situation though, and MUCH more focus needs to be on the behaviour and attitude of men and how they are educated... And there should also be a push to absolutely shame men who have disrespectful attitudes towards women, kind of like people try to shame racists. As it stands now, fat people are made to feel more ashamed than misogynistic men are. And the legal consequences of violence towards other people, and especially sexually motivated violence, should be MUCH more severe as well.
Very true.
But at the end of the day, each individual can really only take care of themselves. Lots of changing as a society needed, but until it gets done, you gotta look out for #1.
and teach the little #1's whats right.
And it takes a village to raise a #1.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Oh a year or two ago in the AET board where the thread was locked on a member asking for some help on a Domestic Violence question.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Whoever said that was already planning on not being able to afford/support their own offspring and wanting others to do it for them.
I guess you don't get the meaning of the saying. It's not literal. It means that the actions of everyone in a society - or a society's ethics, morals, beliefs, standards - affect everyone else and influence children to a huge extent within that society. It IS the village's (our society's) responsibility to encourage and enforce respect for women. Parents alone CANNOT do this. Not if they allow their children to participate in society. Parents are FAR from the only influences on a child's perceptions and beliefs and attitude.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I guess you don't get the meaning of the saying. It's not literal. It means that the actions of everyone in a society - or a society's ethics, morals, beliefs, standards - affect everyone else and influence children to a huge extent within that society. It IS the village's (our society's) responsibility to encourage and enforce respect for women. Parents alone CANNOT do this. Not if they allow their children to participate in society.
I guess you don't get the meaning of the .
Anyhow, there is no magic bullet to fix this problem. We all have to fix it by teaching those we are responsible for how to treat others and teaching those we are responsible for how to protect themselves.
I guess you don't get the meaning of the saying. It's not literal. It means that the actions of everyone in a society - or a society's ethics, morals, beliefs, standards - affect everyone else and influence children to a huge extent within that society. It IS the village's (our society's) responsibility to encourage and enforce respect for women. Parents alone CANNOT do this. Not if they allow their children to participate in society.
I guess you don't get the meaning of the .
Anyhow, there is no magic bullet to fix this problem. We all have to fix it by teaching those we are responsible for how to treat others and teaching those we are responsible for how to protect themselves.
A can mean two things. Either "i'm not serious/just bugging you/just joking" or "this is my way of disagreeing with your dumb ass without starting a fight." ... I chose unwisely today.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
maybe its negative or some form of defeatism due to it doesn't follow Pandoras guidelines. Great post Prism, spot on again as you were in that long ago DV thread.
Peace
Thank you, g under p. also thanks to hugh freaking dillion, jeanwah and redrock for validating what was said in my previous post
The old fashioned viewpoint...
weaker sex, don't fight back, can't leave an abuser... I'm a victim...
there is a much different trend taking place. I will be glad when all women begin to understand
who we can be and fight to bring positive change. The negativity of those thoughts from
generations ago are limiting and ridiculous and as we see doing nothing to stop victimization.
Unfortunately some men do not want to empower their own women, obviously.
They speak of personal and private issues as though their partners were children not equals.
Not even comprehending the embarrassment they would feel. The sad part is they
can not even see it.
"Pandora's guidelines " wow that speaks volumes on being up on things... :fp:
I'm on board with the empowerment of women, and taking personal
responsibility for one's own life and their children's lives, teaching the next generation by example.
I have learned much helping lately in my community to do just that.
I remember that thread quite well where you repeatedly kept insisting that DV surviviors, their familes, DV shelters & programs, law enforcement and the courts weren't effective to stop DV. so "the pandora solution" was for victims to get a male family member to KILL the abuser, because that would solve everything and there'd be no negative consequences to the survior, the good guy that kills on her behalf, or any children that might be involved. :twisted:
When i offered some of what i had personally been through not only as a survior, but as someone that went back and got dv volunteer training and spent nearly 3 years as a volunteer...not to mention all the while successfully raising my two kids myself. to be concise myself and some others pointed out & posted studies showing one can not break the cycle of violence by responding with violence.
in your 'know it all' twisted logic you kept insisting that what i did was wrong and the ONLY solution was was for me or some male on my behave to kill my ex. now suddenly you're saying something vague about how you're now helping women DV surviors in a shelter to fight back with violence. which only points out that you're still fucking ridiculous on so many levels.
perhaps you can pm me with the name of the DV shelter where you're voluteering your nonsense? i'm sure the director and other staff there would love to know that one of their "helpers" is espounding fighting-back with violence, shaming and blaming clients if they don't, and refering to them as victims. how is it you don't know that goes against DV guidelines? (which are for the most part standard) to say that recently DV experts, staff and volunteers suggest that women take up weapons or other violent means to fight back is just more of your twisted rhetorical bullshit
now here you are spouting that same kill or be killed twisted bs when it comes to rape. when a woman has to do what it takes to survive the attack you call her a defeatist...that's appalling. you've been the one throughout this thread that has been pushing fear on women...that if they don't dress modestly or or arm themselves they should expect to be raped because boys will be boys, men will be men and there's no other way to prevent them from raping and/or abusing women.
one last thing, don't ever call anyone that's lived through rape or DV a victim or a defeatist (f*** u very much) because they didn't fight-back using violence....those of us that have are called SURVIORS.
I remember that thread quite well where you repeatedly kept insisting that DV surviviors, their familes, DV shelters & programs, law enforcement and the courts weren't effective to stop DV. so "the pandora solution" was for victims to get a male family member to KILL the abuser, because that would solve everything and there'd be no negative consequences to the survior, the good guy that kills on her behalf, or any children that might be involved. :twisted:
When i offered some of what i had personally been through not only as a survior, but as someone that went back and got dv volunteer training and spent nearly 3 years as a volunteer...not to mention all the while successfully raising my two kids myself. to be concise myself and some others pointed out & posted studies showing one can not break the cycle of violence by responding with violence.
in your 'know it all' twisted logic you kept insisting that what i did was wrong and the ONLY solution was was for me or some male on my behave to kill my ex. now suddenly you're saying something vague about how you're now helping women DV surviors in a shelter to fight back with violence. which only points out that you're still fucking ridiculous on so many levels.
perhaps you can pm me with the name of the DV shelter where you're voluteering your nonsense? i'm sure the director and other staff there would love to know that one of their "helpers" is espounding fighting-back with violence, shaming and blaming clients if they don't, and refering to them as victims. how is it you don't know that goes against DV guidelines? (which are for the most part standard) to say that recently DV experts, staff and volunteers suggest that women take up weapons or other violent means to fight back is just more of your twisted rhetorical bullshit
now here you are spouting that same kill or be killed twisted bs when it comes to rape. when a woman has to do what it takes to survive the attack you call her a defeatist...that's appalling. you've been the one throughout this thread that has been pushing fear on women...that if they don't dress modestly or or arm themselves they should expect to be raped because boys will be boys, men will be men and there's no other way to prevent them from raping and/or abusing women.
one last thing, don't ever call anyone that's lived through rape or DV a victim or a defeatist (f*** u very much) because they didn't fight-back using violence....those of us that have are called SURVIVORS.
1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them. 9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
11. And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are committing a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.
I remember that thread quite well where you repeatedly kept insisting that DV surviviors, their familes, DV shelters & programs, law enforcement and the courts weren't effective to stop DV. so "the pandora solution" was for victims to get a male family member to KILL the abuser, because that would solve everything and there'd be no negative consequences to the survior, the good guy that kills on her behalf, or any children that might be involved. :twisted:
When i offered some of what i had personally been through not only as a survior, but as someone that went back and got dv volunteer training and spent nearly 3 years as a volunteer...not to mention all the while successfully raising my two kids myself. to be concise myself and some others pointed out & posted studies showing one can not break the cycle of violence by responding with violence.
in your 'know it all' twisted logic you kept insisting that what i did was wrong and the ONLY solution was was for me or some male on my behave to kill my ex. now suddenly you're saying something vague about how you're now helping women DV surviors in a shelter to fight back with violence. which only points out that you're still fucking ridiculous on so many levels.
perhaps you can pm me with the name of the DV shelter where you're voluteering your nonsense? i'm sure the director and other staff there would love to know that one of their "helpers" is espounding fighting-back with violence, shaming and blaming clients if they don't, and refering to them as victims. how is it you don't know that goes against DV guidelines? (which are for the most part standard) to say that recently DV experts, staff and volunteers suggest that women take up weapons or other violent means to fight back is just more of your twisted rhetorical bullshit
now here you are spouting that same kill or be killed twisted bs when it comes to rape. when a woman has to do what it takes to survive the attack you call her a defeatist...that's appalling. you've been the one throughout this thread that has been pushing fear on women...that if they don't dress modestly or or arm themselves they should expect to be raped because boys will be boys, men will be men and there's no other way to prevent them from raping and/or abusing women.
one last thing, don't ever call anyone that's lived through rape or DV a victim or a defeatist (f*** u very much) because they didn't fight-back using violence....those of us that have are called SURVIORS.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I remember that thread quite well where you repeatedly kept insisting that DV surviviors, their familes, DV shelters & programs, law enforcement and the courts weren't effective to stop DV. so "the pandora solution" was for victims to get a male family member to KILL the abuser, because that would solve everything and there'd be no negative consequences to the survior, the good guy that kills on her behalf, or any children that might be involved. :twisted:
When i offered some of what i had personally been through not only as a survior, but as someone that went back and got dv volunteer training and spent nearly 3 years as a volunteer...not to mention all the while successfully raising my two kids myself. to be concise myself and some others pointed out & posted studies showing one can not break the cycle of violence by responding with violence.
in your 'know it all' twisted logic you kept insisting that what i did was wrong and the ONLY solution was was for me or some male on my behave to kill my ex. now suddenly you're saying something vague about how you're now helping women DV surviors in a shelter to fight back with violence. which only points out that you're still fucking ridiculous on so many levels.
perhaps you can pm me with the name of the DV shelter where you're voluteering your nonsense? i'm sure the director and other staff there would love to know that one of their "helpers" is espounding fighting-back with violence, shaming and blaming clients if they don't, and refering to them as victims. how is it you don't know that goes against DV guidelines? (which are for the most part standard) to say that recently DV experts, staff and volunteers suggest that women take up weapons or other violent means to fight back is just more of your twisted rhetorical bullshit
now here you are spouting that same kill or be killed twisted bs when it comes to rape. when a woman has to do what it takes to survive the attack you call her a defeatist...that's appalling. you've been the one throughout this thread that has been pushing fear on women...that if they don't dress modestly or or arm themselves they should expect to be raped because boys will be boys, men will be men and there's no other way to prevent them from raping and/or abusing women.
one last thing, don't ever call anyone that's lived through rape or DV a victim or a defeatist (f*** u very much) because they didn't fight-back using violence....those of us that have are called SURVIVORS.
Another fantastic post, and to be honest, killing another human is NEVER a solution...
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I know this is a serious subject, but thanks for that Jeanwah.. a good laugh.
:shock:
Wasn't meant for "men who are just going to be men".
I know it can be taken as comical... But it's not supposed to be, it's kinda written for young people, I believe.
I guess... but, remember NOT to assault people? If some of those are at all serious, it is sad times we live in.
Most of the things i joke about are so unthinkable to me that i can only laugh at them. I can't say who taught me to respect women or Not to Rape but it always been in me, like it's innate i think is the word. Sucks there's monsters out there, but i need only watch the news to be reminded there are.
If everyone followed these guidelines, there would be zero rape. So easy!
Jeff Martin of The Tea Party is a huge advocate and constant supporter of The White Ribbon campaign, which is an organization dedicated to men stopping domestic violence. The song Release by the band is about domestic violence, and the proceeds for the remix of the song went to that cause. He has also performed and emceed many of their events.
http://www.whiteribbon.ca/
Fargo 2003
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It Starts With You, It Stays With Him is an initiative of White Ribbon Canada in partnership with The Ontario Government and COPA, with a goal to engage men (community leaders educators, fathers, coaches etc.) in a mentorship role to the boys and young men in their lives.
Be an inspiring male role model and help boys create a future where men and women live free from violence and inequality.
You are right PJ_Soul - this 'rape' thing is a male issue. Unfortunately, the 'laddish' behaviour is so engrained in men that a lot will not see anything wrong with the way they behave or think. And I'm not even talking rape or 'she's asking for it' type behaviour but just the 'boys will be boys' behaviour which men dismiss as inoffensive, as do some women ('ah... that's just the way men are... take no notice!).
Those kind of guys (which help to perpetuate the image of women as 'tits on legs', 'meat', etc.) just don't relate to rape. Don't see that their way of thinking can be the beginning of a dangerous path (eg - date rape, 'forceful sex' which they may not consider rape).
Whilst this White Ribbon organisation may be small, may not have massive impact yet, hopefully it is a sign that men do care what other men do. Men do care that they don't want to all be judged as rapists in the making.
Right. Then we can just solve theft by saying:
1) If you feel like stealing, go ask a friend to stop you
Or murder:
1) when you are so upset at someone and feel like killing them, hug a teddy bear.
Sounds great, but there are bad people out there and it is up to each individual to help protect themselves and avoid dangerous situations.
Very true.
But at the end of the day, each individual can really only take care of themselves. Lots of changing as a society needed, but until it gets done, you gotta look out for #1.
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Whoever said that was a bad parent.
Oh a year or two ago in the AET board where the thread was locked on a member asking for some help on a Domestic Violence question.
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Whoever said that was already planning on not being able to afford/support their own offspring and wanting others to do it for them.
I guess you don't get the meaning of the
Anyhow, there is no magic bullet to fix this problem. We all have to fix it by teaching those we are responsible for how to treat others and teaching those we are responsible for how to protect themselves.
Thank you, g under p. also thanks to hugh freaking dillion, jeanwah and redrock for validating what was said in my previous post
I remember that thread quite well where you repeatedly kept insisting that DV surviviors, their familes, DV shelters & programs, law enforcement and the courts weren't effective to stop DV. so "the pandora solution" was for victims to get a male family member to KILL the abuser, because that would solve everything and there'd be no negative consequences to the survior, the good guy that kills on her behalf, or any children that might be involved. :twisted:
When i offered some of what i had personally been through not only as a survior, but as someone that went back and got dv volunteer training and spent nearly 3 years as a volunteer...not to mention all the while successfully raising my two kids myself. to be concise myself and some others pointed out & posted studies showing one can not break the cycle of violence by responding with violence.
in your 'know it all' twisted logic you kept insisting that what i did was wrong and the ONLY solution was was for me or some male on my behave to kill my ex. now suddenly you're saying something vague about how you're now helping women DV surviors in a shelter to fight back with violence. which only points out that you're still fucking ridiculous on so many levels.
perhaps you can pm me with the name of the DV shelter where you're voluteering your nonsense? i'm sure the director and other staff there would love to know that one of their "helpers" is espounding fighting-back with violence, shaming and blaming clients if they don't, and refering to them as victims. how is it you don't know that goes against DV guidelines? (which are for the most part standard) to say that recently DV experts, staff and volunteers suggest that women take up weapons or other violent means to fight back is just more of your twisted rhetorical bullshit
now here you are spouting that same kill or be killed twisted bs when it comes to rape. when a woman has to do what it takes to survive the attack you call her a defeatist...that's appalling. you've been the one throughout this thread that has been pushing fear on women...that if they don't dress modestly or or arm themselves they should expect to be raped because boys will be boys, men will be men and there's no other way to prevent them from raping and/or abusing women.
one last thing, don't ever call anyone that's lived through rape or DV a victim or a defeatist (f*** u very much) because they didn't fight-back using violence....those of us that have are called SURVIORS.
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Another fantastic post, and to be honest, killing another human is NEVER a solution...