What is most to blame is we are not teaching women to fight back. Why?
And why are women in the position to be raped?
I mean there is a rape like every few minutes in the US. Why?
I believe each person is responsible for their own safety and must take it upon themselves
to protect themselves. The young girls we hear being victimized when drinking too much.
Can we educate young girls about those that will take advantage of them?
Can we teach them not to put themselves in vulnerable places? EVER.
THIS, is blaming the victim. and if you disagree with that, ponder this for a moment: who are you putting the onus on, the victim or the perp, when you say that men can go out and do stuff (go out and drinking too much) that women shouldn't? putting the onus on the victim is the same as blaming them for the act.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
What is most to blame is we are not teaching women to fight back. Why?
And why are women in the position to be raped?
I mean there is a rape like every few minutes in the US. Why?
I believe each person is responsible for their own safety and must take it upon themselves
to protect themselves. The young girls we hear being victimized when drinking too much.
Can we educate young girls about those that will take advantage of them?
Can we teach them not to put themselves in vulnerable places? EVER.
THIS, is blaming the victim. and if you disagree with that, ponder this for a moment: who are you putting the onus on, the victim or the perp, when you say that men can go out and do stuff (go out and drinking too much) that women shouldn't? putting the onus on the victim is the same as blaming them for the act.
Not only is it blaming the victim, but excusing men for being men (and being neanderthal). Other than that, I am not going to reply to Pandora's post as I feel as if baiting may be the reason behind her shock value post. So I will ignore from here on out.
I realize we might not all be on the same page with personal responsibility.
I see many excuses being used on many topics.
We own our own fates. We can be a victim or we can fight back.
It is pretty basic. We can not stop people doing bad things so we must protect
ourselves from bad people. I am seeing women change, saying they will take no more.
Learning self defense, arming themselves, willing to fight and kill to protect their bodies.
Using good common sense against predators, which are everywhere.
I know this trend will grow stronger and stronger, its up to us to make the change by
teaching future generations. By setting examples and using good common sense.
There will always be bad men but many of them have never come upon a 'bad' woman,
and I mean that in the nicest way. Women are not to blame of course but they
make the difference they just have to believe they can.
Waiting around for bad men to ever understand rape is allowing more victims.
What is most to blame is we are not teaching women to fight back. Why?
And why are women in the position to be raped?
I mean there is a rape like every few minutes in the US. Why?
I believe each person is responsible for their own safety and must take it upon themselves
to protect themselves. The young girls we hear being victimized when drinking too much.
Can we educate young girls about those that will take advantage of them?
Can we teach them not to put themselves in vulnerable places? EVER.
THIS, is blaming the victim. and if you disagree with that, ponder this for a moment: who are you putting the onus on, the victim or the perp, when you say that men can go out and do stuff (go out and drinking too much) that women shouldn't? putting the onus on the victim is the same as blaming them for the act.
Not only is it blaming the victim, but excusing men for being men (and being neanderthal). Other than that, I am not going to reply to Pandora's post as I feel as if baiting may be the reason behind her shock value post. So I will ignore from here on out.
Made my blood boil, tbh.
That, together with the smart woman (or whatever woman) being modest, understanding men.... Definitely putting the onus on the woman not to be raped (and if not, she would be 'asking for it') as opposed to the man/rapist not committing this vile act.
It's a bit feeling that a woman suffering from domestic violence didn't do enough to please her man or maybe wasn't nice enough,etc. The 'wonder what she did to deserve that?' thing...
Also, I feel it's putting all men in the same boat. Which again, is totally wrong.
I just had to say something to these outrageous comments (then again.. bait?) but, as you Jean, will ignore from here on out.
I realize we might not all be on the same page with personal responsibility.
I see many excuses being used on many topics.
We own our own fates. We can be a victim or we can fight back.
It is pretty basic. We can not stop people doing bad things so we must protect
ourselves from bad people. I am seeing women change, saying they will take no more.
Learning self defense, arming themselves, willing to fight and kill to protect their bodies.
Using good common sense against predators, which are everywhere.
I know this trend will grow stronger and stronger, its up to us to make the change by
teaching future generations. By setting examples and using good common sense.
There will always be bad men but many of them have never come upon a 'bad' woman,
and I mean that in the nicest way. Women are not to blame of course but they
make the difference they just have to believe they can.
Waiting around for bad men to ever understand rape is allowing more victims.
your views are consistent, I'll give you that. taking the law into your own hands seems to be a recurring theme. How about teaching our young males to respect women IN ADDITION to teaching women to defend themselves??
EVER HEAR OF PREVENTION? you talk incessantly about the beauty and love of the world but your suggested solutions are completely the opposite: kill or be killed.
nope, Pandora just wants to give all women a gun and kill all the "bad guys".
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
That, together with the smart woman (or whatever woman) being modest, understanding men.... Definitely putting the onus on the woman not to be raped (and if not, she would be 'asking for it') as opposed to the man/rapist not committing this vile act.
It's a bit feeling that a woman suffering from domestic violence didn't do enough to please her man or maybe wasn't nice enough,etc. The 'wonder what she did to deserve that?' thing...
Also, I feel it's putting all men in the same boat. Which again, is totally wrong.
I just had to say something to these outrageous comments (then again.. bait?) but, as you Jean, will ignore from here on out.
...
I guess what women need to do is... not look so pretty.
Rape: Solved.
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Hail, Hail!!!
That, together with the smart woman (or whatever woman) being modest, understanding men.... Definitely putting the onus on the woman not to be raped (and if not, she would be 'asking for it') as opposed to the man/rapist not committing this vile act.
It's a bit feeling that a woman suffering from domestic violence didn't do enough to please her man or maybe wasn't nice enough,etc. The 'wonder what she did to deserve that?' thing...
Also, I feel it's putting all men in the same boat. Which again, is totally wrong.
I just had to say something to these outrageous comments (then again.. bait?) but, as you Jean, will ignore from here on out.
My plan is to empower women on every level ...
how are you redrock going to change the vile men and stop rape?
A rape that happens every how many minutes? Do you have a plan?
Rape is a lot like domestic violence.
Thankfully we are seeing women becoming more empowered in these situations.
Better than 50 years ago but no where near where it should be for so many reasons.
Women choosing not to get involved with men who are violent. Leaving, protecting their children.
Teaching their children. Setting examples.
We have some houses here to help those who need to escape. We need more.
I worked to help one recently. Inspiring to help. I plan on doing much more.
I hope other ladies here on the board are putting actions where their mouths are
doing all they can do to support the fight to empower women.
Like I said there will always be bad men you can not stop this and complaining does nothing.
You can get on with real action that saves women though. It is women helping women to stop being victims.
Still didn't get the modesty thing huh not too surprising maybe.
As I said has nothing to do with outward appearance and everything to do with empowerment
and personal responsibility.
I realize we might not all be on the same page with personal responsibility.
I see many excuses being used on many topics.
We own our own fates. We can be a victim or we can fight back.
It is pretty basic. We can not stop people doing bad things so we must protect
ourselves from bad people. I am seeing women change, saying they will take no more.
Learning self defense, arming themselves, willing to fight and kill to protect their bodies.
Using good common sense against predators, which are everywhere.
I know this trend will grow stronger and stronger, its up to us to make the change by
teaching future generations. By setting examples and using good common sense.
There will always be bad men but many of them have never come upon a 'bad' woman,
and I mean that in the nicest way. Women are not to blame of course but they
make the difference they just have to believe they can.
Waiting around for bad men to ever understand rape is allowing more victims.
your views are consistent, I'll give you that. taking the law into your own hands seems to be a recurring theme. How about teaching our young males to respect women IN ADDITION to teaching women to defend themselves??
EVER HEAR OF PREVENTION? you talk incessantly about the beauty and love of the world but your suggested solutions are completely the opposite: kill or be killed.
nope, Pandora just wants to give all women a gun and kill all the "bad guys".
There are so many ways to empower women I can see you have tunnel vision again
guns guns guns
I have mentioned mothers educating their children already.
Unfortunately this change will come over generations and we need action now.
Are you taking some? I am.
Can't we work towards getting some men to stop being criminals that prey on women AND help teach women some things to help decrease their risk?
Just because a guy shouldn't rape a girl doesn't mean that I wouldn't want my daughter thinking about how she can help prevent it.
Yes & yes , but what do you say to her don't go out wearing that mini skirt or those tight jeans or are you talking more about what not to do when she is out having some fun cause i go over this every week with my 16yr old daughter , don't accept a drink from anybody yada yada ...
Can't we work towards getting some men to stop being criminals that prey on women AND help teach women some things to help decrease their risk?
Just because a guy shouldn't rape a girl doesn't mean that I wouldn't want my daughter thinking about how she can help prevent it.
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I think that is what most rational people believe.
I think what most of the people object to is the person in the original with his 'You Deserve Rape' sign/message and the arguement that agrees with the basic intent... that women who dress/act like sluts deserve to be raped.
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As for your girls... yes, a bit of street smarts and the ability to assess risks is an important tool... actually, an important tool for all of us.
I think the brunt of the discussion revolves around the responsibility of the perpetrator. Some rapists think that a girl smiling at them is an invitation to sex... that burden should not fall upon the shoulders of your girls and turn them into anti-social hermits due to fear. They should be free to smile and talk to boys without being in constant fear for themselves.
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Hail, Hail!!!
Shouldn't the onus be on the parents to teach both sons AND daughters to respect themselves and others? This mindset that a woman is not equal to a man, and make no mistake that is what we are talking about, because she cannot have the same and equal behaviors that a man has without being penalized, i.e., raped, for her behavior, is at the heart of what we are discussing. How many conversations do parents have with sons about being careful and not getting an, STD or getting a girl pregnant - be safe while the conversation with girls is be safe but really protect yourself, act like a "lady" so you don't get victimized because of something YOU did. I think the neanderthal attitude extends to both men and women in this regard.
I like this video about what a REAL man does when a girl passes out on his couch - what I plan on teaching my son.
Can't we work towards getting some men to stop being criminals that prey on women AND help teach women some things to help decrease their risk?
Just because a guy shouldn't rape a girl doesn't mean that I wouldn't want my daughter thinking about how she can help prevent it.
Yes & yes , but what do you say to her don't go out wearing that mini skirt or those tight jeans or are you talking more about what not to do when she is out having some fun cause i go over this every week with my 16yr old daughter , don't accept a drink from anybody yada yada ...
Your second comment. Not talking about what clothes she is wearing.
Shouldn't the onus be on the parents to teach both sons AND daughters to respect themselves and others? This mindset that a woman is not equal to a man, and make no mistake that is what we are talking about, because she cannot have the same and equal behaviors that a man has without being penalized, i.e., raped, for her behavior, is at the heart of what we are discussing. How many conversations do parents have with sons about being careful and not getting an, STD or getting a girl pregnant - be safe while the conversation with girls is be safe but really protect yourself, act like a "lady" so you don't get victimized because of something YOU did. I think the neanderthal attitude extends to both men and women in this regard.
I mentioned talking to daughter because I don;t have a son. And I have a while till I talk to my daughter abotu this anyhow!
Shouldn't the onus be on the parents to teach both sons AND daughters to respect themselves and others? This mindset that a woman is not equal to a man, and make no mistake that is what we are talking about, because she cannot have the same and equal behaviors that a man has without being penalized, i.e., raped, for her behavior, is at the heart of what we are discussing. How many conversations do parents have with sons about being careful and not getting an, STD or getting a girl pregnant - be safe while the conversation with girls is be safe but really protect yourself, act like a "lady" so you don't get victimized because of something YOU did. I think the neanderthal attitude extends to both men and women in this regard.
I mentioned talking to daughter because I don;t have a son. And I have a while till I talk to my daughter abotu this anyhow!
Agreed - both my kids are still too young for this conversation, I was just speaking in general terms not specifically to your post.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
Shouldn't the onus be on the parents to teach both sons AND daughters to respect themselves and others? This mindset that a woman is not equal to a man, and make no mistake that is what we are talking about, because she cannot have the same and equal behaviors that a man has without being penalized, i.e., raped, for her behavior, is at the heart of what we are discussing. How many conversations do parents have with sons about being careful and not getting an, STD or getting a girl pregnant - be safe while the conversation with girls is be safe but really protect yourself, act like a "lady" so you don't get victimized because of something YOU did. I think the neanderthal attitude extends to both men and women in this regard.
I mentioned talking to daughter because I don;t have a son. And I have a while till I talk to my daughter abotu this anyhow!
Man the time flys by and i also have had really great convos with my 19yr old son about this topic , but you'll see one day your talking about riding bikes with her and then she's talking about boys :(
Obviously the guy is a fucking creep, since he's incapable of considering the fact that it is the responsibility of the would-be rapist to not rape someone no matter what, even if the woman is lying there naked except for a big red bow .... But the school is totally right in allowing him to do his thing, what with free speech and all. They would be very wrong to stop him. And frankly, when someone's message is THAT ludicrous on a university campus, I'm not even that bothered by it. He just looks like a fucking asshole, and no one is worse for wear in that atmosphere. It actually serves to bring awareness to the exact opposite message that he's trying to convey.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Obviously the guy is a fucking creep, since he's incapable of considering the fact that it is the responsibility of the would-be rapist to not rape someone no matter what, even if the woman is lying there naked except for a big red bow .... But the school is totally right in allowing him to do his thing, what with free speech and all. They would be very wrong to stop him. And frankly, when someone's message is THAT ludicrous on a university campus, I'm not even that bothered by it. He just looks like a fucking asshole, and no one is worse for wear in that atmosphere. It actually serves to bring awareness to the exact opposite message that he's trying to convey.
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I completely agree with this.
No matter how sickening I find his message, i will stand by his First Amendment right to air his opinion in a public forum.
And I'm with you... I support the rights of zealots, Nazis and Klansmen to spew their vile rubbish... because I want to know they are out there and better yet, who they are... so I can avoid their sorry asses.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Obviously the guy is a fucking creep, since he's incapable of considering the fact that it is the responsibility of the would-be rapist to not rape someone no matter what, even if the woman is lying there naked except for a big red bow .... But the school is totally right in allowing him to do his thing, what with free speech and all. They would be very wrong to stop him. And frankly, when someone's message is THAT ludicrous on a university campus, I'm not even that bothered by it. He just looks like a fucking asshole, and no one is worse for wear in that atmosphere. It actually serves to bring awareness to the exact opposite message that he's trying to convey.
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I completely agree with this.
No matter how sickening I find his message, i will stand by his First Amendment right to air his opinion in a public forum.
And I'm with you... I support the rights of zealots, Nazis and Klansmen to spew their vile rubbish... because I want to know they are out there and better yet, who they are... so I can avoid their sorry asses.
As long as they are not promoting hate or a crime, as that is illegal (which Nazis and Klansmen sometimes do, let's not forget), no university should ever step in and stop free speech just because the message happens to be offensive. It goes against everything that a university is supposed to stand for IMO.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
That, together with the smart woman (or whatever woman) being modest, understanding men.... Definitely putting the onus on the woman not to be raped (and if not, she would be 'asking for it') as opposed to the man/rapist not committing this vile act.
It's a bit feeling that a woman suffering from domestic violence didn't do enough to please her man or maybe wasn't nice enough,etc. The 'wonder what she did to deserve that?' thing...
Also, I feel it's putting all men in the same boat. Which again, is totally wrong.
I just had to say something to these outrageous comments (then again.. bait?) but, as you Jean, will ignore from here on out.
My plan is to empower women on every level ...
how are you redrock going to change the vile men and stop rape?
A rape that happens every how many minutes? Do you have a plan?
Rape is a lot like domestic violence.
Thankfully we are seeing women becoming more empowered in these situations.
Better than 50 years ago but no where near where it should be for so many reasons.
Women choosing not to get involved with men who are violent. Leaving, protecting their children.
Teaching their children. Setting examples.
We have some houses here to help those who need to escape. We need more.
I worked to help one recently. Inspiring to help. I plan on doing much more.
I hope other ladies here on the board are putting actions where their mouths are
doing all they can do to support the fight to empower women.
Like I said there will always be bad men you can not stop this and complaining does nothing.
You can get on with real action that saves women though. It is women helping women to stop being victims.
Still didn't get the modesty thing huh not too surprising maybe.
As I said has nothing to do with outward appearance and everything to do with empowerment
and personal responsibility.
altho i realize that you're once again merely baiting, making false claims and playing up the histronics
i have to say something here; if you truly knew anything about empowering women in order to keep themselves safe (or protect their children) whether the subject is rape or domestic violence, you would know not to blame the victims nor suggest that they should fight back with violence
self denfense lessons can be a good thing but often not applicable, like if the rapist is armed. it's illogical to suggest women carry their own weapon/gun as it's more likely to be taken away and used against her in an attack, than to thwart the attacker. survival is most important and as awful as it is that most often means not physically fighting back.
your so called 'fight-back empowerment approach' will create more victims. they shouldn't be faced with judgement and shame as in your approach. that would only serve detract from what little empowerment they do have to report to law enforcement and seek justice through the courts
also your quip about 'choosing not to get involved with violent men' is offensive to DV surviors....do you really think women are that foolish? as if all men that do become violent start out relationships with behavior that is abusive or violent? on the contrary they draw women in at the beginning with charm
that boys will be boys therefore many just can' t help being rapist or violent is bullshit....there is no excuse. not only is it victim blaming, it's encourages and instills fear in women
there's is no excuse for the guy in the OP. No one ever deserves to be raped. i totally agree with those that say parents need to make sure they teach this to their boys.... going by recent news it certainly seems like this lesson has been lost
There are so many ways to empower women I can see you have tunnel vision again
guns guns guns
I have mentioned mothers educating their children already.
Unfortunately this change will come over generations and we need action now.
Are you taking some? I am.
yes, there are. me, tunnel vision? you are the one suggesting a SINGLE MEANS of curing the problem. I never mentioned "women killing men" as a means of curing the rape epidemic. you did. how were you suggesting they do this? jedi mind tricks?
you mentioned mothers educating their daughters. you are missing half the equation. you say you can't cure bad men. maybe not. but you can prevent them from becoming that way.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
altho i realize that you're once again merely baiting, making false claims and playing up the histronics
i have to say something here; if you truly knew anything about empowering women in order to keep themselves safe (or protect their children) whether the subject is rape or domestic violence, you would know not to blame the victims nor suggest that they should fight back with violence
self denfense lessons can be a good thing but often not applicable, like if the rapist is armed. it's illogical to suggest women carry their own weapon/gun as it's more likely to be taken away and used against her in an attack, than to thwart the attacker. survival is most important and as awful as it is that most often means not physically fighting back.
your so called 'fight-back empowerment approach' will create more victims. they shouldn't be faced with judgement and shame as in your approach. that would only serve detract from what little empowerment they do have to report to law enforcement and seek justice through the courts
also your quip about 'choosing not to get involved with violent men' is offensive to DV surviors....do you really think women are that foolish? as if all men that do become violent start out relationships with behavior that is abusive or violent? on the contrary they draw women in at the beginning with charm
that boys will be boys therefore many just can' t help being rapist or violent is bullshit....there is no excuse. not only is it victim blaming, it's encourages and instills fear in women
there's is no excuse for the guy in the OP. No one ever deserves to be raped. i totally agree with those that say parents need to make sure they teach this to their boys.... going by recent news it certainly seems like this lesson has been lost
very well said.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Still didn't get the modesty thing huh not too surprising maybe.
As I said has nothing to do with outward appearance and everything to do with empowerment
and personal responsibility.
do you even know what modesty means? it has nothing to do with empowerment and personal responsibility. empowerment in this context is actually the direct OPPOSITE of modesty. :fp:
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
What is most to blame is we are not teaching women to fight back. Why?
And why are women in the position to be raped?
I mean there is a rape like every few minutes in the US. Why?
I believe each person is responsible for their own safety and must take it upon themselves
to protect themselves. The young girls we hear being victimized when drinking too much.
Can we educate young girls about those that will take advantage of them?
Can we teach them not to put themselves in vulnerable places? EVER.
THIS, is blaming the victim. and if you disagree with that, ponder this for a moment: who are you putting the onus on, the victim or the perp, when you say that men can go out and do stuff (go out and drinking too much) that women shouldn't? putting the onus on the victim is the same as blaming them for the act.
Not only is it blaming the victim, but excusing men for being men (and being neanderthal). Other than that, I am not going to reply to Pandora's post as I feel as if baiting may be the reason behind her shock value post. So I will ignore from here on out.
the adam defence I call it. she made me eat the apple... she was wearing a skimpy skirt so she mustve wanted it... what was she doing out at that hour?? the recriminations against women are endless... theyre also bullshit. when men act the way they do against women(sexist taunting/ forcing themselves upon them/ degrading them/ whatever else they feel is acceptable... are the thinking that itd be okay if some neanderthal acted that way towards their daughter/sister/wife/ girlfriend/mother/grandmother/aunt??? I suspect not yet somehow its us that cant take the joke. if you give me cause to punch you in the face please don't call me bitch.
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Controversial football star Mario Balotelli has reportedly offered up his girlfriend for sex if Real Madrid make it through to the Champions League final.
The former Manchester City striker, who now plays for AC Milan in Italy's Serie A, is alleged to have told Spanish sports reporters “If Real Madrid come back... I’ll let my girlfriend sleep with them!”
Real Madrid were thrashed 4-1 in the first leg of their semi-final against German outfit Borussia Dortmund. The teams play their second leg this week
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No great loss to the girlfriend - betcha she's got a 'rabbit' or two that can take care of things in a very sastisfactory way - whether the team wins or loses!!!!
Also... some are posting about mothers teaching their daughters.... How about mothers AND fathers teaching their sons & daughters?
No great loss to the girlfriend - betcha she's got a 'rabbit' or two that can take care of things in a very sastisfactory way - whether the team wins or loses!!!!
Also... some are posting about mothers teaching their daughters.... How about mothers AND fathers teaching their sons & daughters?
showing how the onus yet again seems to be laid squarely at the feet on the women. :roll:
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THIS, is blaming the victim. and if you disagree with that, ponder this for a moment: who are you putting the onus on, the victim or the perp, when you say that men can go out and do stuff (go out and drinking too much) that women shouldn't? putting the onus on the victim is the same as blaming them for the act.
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Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Not only is it blaming the victim, but excusing men for being men (and being neanderthal). Other than that, I am not going to reply to Pandora's post as I feel as if baiting may be the reason behind her shock value post. So I will ignore from here on out.
I see many excuses being used on many topics.
We own our own fates. We can be a victim or we can fight back.
It is pretty basic. We can not stop people doing bad things so we must protect
ourselves from bad people. I am seeing women change, saying they will take no more.
Learning self defense, arming themselves, willing to fight and kill to protect their bodies.
Using good common sense against predators, which are everywhere.
I know this trend will grow stronger and stronger, its up to us to make the change by
teaching future generations. By setting examples and using good common sense.
There will always be bad men but many of them have never come upon a 'bad' woman,
and I mean that in the nicest way. Women are not to blame of course but they
make the difference they just have to believe they can.
Waiting around for bad men to ever understand rape is allowing more victims.
Made my blood boil, tbh.
That, together with the smart woman (or whatever woman) being modest, understanding men.... Definitely putting the onus on the woman not to be raped (and if not, she would be 'asking for it') as opposed to the man/rapist not committing this vile act.
It's a bit feeling that a woman suffering from domestic violence didn't do enough to please her man or maybe wasn't nice enough,etc. The 'wonder what she did to deserve that?' thing...
Also, I feel it's putting all men in the same boat. Which again, is totally wrong.
I just had to say something to these outrageous comments (then again.. bait?) but, as you Jean, will ignore from here on out.
your views are consistent, I'll give you that. taking the law into your own hands seems to be a recurring theme. How about teaching our young males to respect women IN ADDITION to teaching women to defend themselves??
EVER HEAR OF PREVENTION? you talk incessantly about the beauty and love of the world but your suggested solutions are completely the opposite: kill or be killed.
nope, Pandora just wants to give all women a gun and kill all the "bad guys".
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I guess what women need to do is... not look so pretty.
Rape: Solved.
Hail, Hail!!!
how are you redrock going to change the vile men and stop rape?
A rape that happens every how many minutes? Do you have a plan?
Rape is a lot like domestic violence.
Thankfully we are seeing women becoming more empowered in these situations.
Better than 50 years ago but no where near where it should be for so many reasons.
Women choosing not to get involved with men who are violent. Leaving, protecting their children.
Teaching their children. Setting examples.
We have some houses here to help those who need to escape. We need more.
I worked to help one recently. Inspiring to help. I plan on doing much more.
I hope other ladies here on the board are putting actions where their mouths are
doing all they can do to support the fight to empower women.
Like I said there will always be bad men you can not stop this and complaining does nothing.
You can get on with real action that saves women though.
It is women helping women to stop being victims.
Still didn't get the modesty thing huh
As I said has nothing to do with outward appearance and everything to do with empowerment
and personal responsibility.
guns guns guns
I have mentioned mothers educating their children already.
Unfortunately this change will come over generations and we need action now.
Are you taking some? I am.
Can't we work towards getting some men to stop being criminals that prey on women AND help teach women some things to help decrease their risk?
Just because a guy shouldn't rape a girl doesn't mean that I wouldn't want my daughter thinking about how she can help prevent it.
Yes & yes , but what do you say to her don't go out wearing that mini skirt or those tight jeans or are you talking more about what not to do when she is out having some fun cause i go over this every week with my 16yr old daughter , don't accept a drink from anybody yada yada ...
I think that is what most rational people believe.
I think what most of the people object to is the person in the original with his 'You Deserve Rape' sign/message and the arguement that agrees with the basic intent... that women who dress/act like sluts deserve to be raped.
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As for your girls... yes, a bit of street smarts and the ability to assess risks is an important tool... actually, an important tool for all of us.
I think the brunt of the discussion revolves around the responsibility of the perpetrator. Some rapists think that a girl smiling at them is an invitation to sex... that burden should not fall upon the shoulders of your girls and turn them into anti-social hermits due to fear. They should be free to smile and talk to boys without being in constant fear for themselves.
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I like this video about what a REAL man does when a girl passes out on his couch - what I plan on teaching my son.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3aiRa0cnrA
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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Your second comment. Not talking about what clothes she is wearing.
I mentioned talking to daughter because I don;t have a son. And I have a while till I talk to my daughter abotu this anyhow!
Agreed - both my kids are still too young for this conversation, I was just speaking in general terms not specifically to your post.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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Man the time flys by and i also have had really great convos with my 19yr old son about this topic , but you'll see one day your talking about riding bikes with her and then she's talking about boys :(
I completely agree with this.
No matter how sickening I find his message, i will stand by his First Amendment right to air his opinion in a public forum.
And I'm with you... I support the rights of zealots, Nazis and Klansmen to spew their vile rubbish... because I want to know they are out there and better yet, who they are... so I can avoid their sorry asses.
Hail, Hail!!!
altho i realize that you're once again merely baiting, making false claims and playing up the histronics
i have to say something here; if you truly knew anything about empowering women in order to keep themselves safe (or protect their children) whether the subject is rape or domestic violence, you would know not to blame the victims nor suggest that they should fight back with violence
self denfense lessons can be a good thing but often not applicable, like if the rapist is armed. it's illogical to suggest women carry their own weapon/gun as it's more likely to be taken away and used against her in an attack, than to thwart the attacker. survival is most important and as awful as it is that most often means not physically fighting back.
your so called 'fight-back empowerment approach' will create more victims. they shouldn't be faced with judgement and shame as in your approach. that would only serve detract from what little empowerment they do have to report to law enforcement and seek justice through the courts
also your quip about 'choosing not to get involved with violent men' is offensive to DV surviors....do you really think women are that foolish? as if all men that do become violent start out relationships with behavior that is abusive or violent? on the contrary they draw women in at the beginning with charm
that boys will be boys therefore many just can' t help being rapist or violent is bullshit....there is no excuse. not only is it victim blaming, it's encourages and instills fear in women
there's is no excuse for the guy in the OP. No one ever deserves to be raped. i totally agree with those that say parents need to make sure they teach this to their boys.... going by recent news it certainly seems like this lesson has been lost
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yes, there are. me, tunnel vision? you are the one suggesting a SINGLE MEANS of curing the problem. I never mentioned "women killing men" as a means of curing the rape epidemic. you did. how were you suggesting they do this? jedi mind tricks?
you mentioned mothers educating their daughters. you are missing half the equation. you say you can't cure bad men. maybe not. but you can prevent them from becoming that way.
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very well said.
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do you even know what modesty means? it has nothing to do with empowerment and personal responsibility. empowerment in this context is actually the direct OPPOSITE of modesty. :fp:
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the adam defence I call it. she made me eat the apple... she was wearing a skimpy skirt so she mustve wanted it... what was she doing out at that hour?? the recriminations against women are endless... theyre also bullshit. when men act the way they do against women(sexist taunting/ forcing themselves upon them/ degrading them/ whatever else they feel is acceptable... are the thinking that itd be okay if some neanderthal acted that way towards their daughter/sister/wife/ girlfriend/mother/grandmother/aunt??? I suspect not yet somehow its us that cant take the joke. if you give me cause to punch you in the face please don't call me bitch.
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http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/glanceview/3 ... sex.glance
Controversial football star Mario Balotelli has reportedly offered up his girlfriend for sex if Real Madrid make it through to the Champions League final.
The former Manchester City striker, who now plays for AC Milan in Italy's Serie A, is alleged to have told Spanish sports reporters “If Real Madrid come back... I’ll let my girlfriend sleep with them!”
Real Madrid were thrashed 4-1 in the first leg of their semi-final against German outfit Borussia Dortmund. The teams play their second leg this week
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Also... some are posting about mothers teaching their daughters.... How about mothers AND fathers teaching their sons & daughters?
showing how the onus yet again seems to be laid squarely at the feet on the women. :roll:
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