'You Deserve Rape' sign causes controversy on UA campus
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What the Hell is wrong with people?
http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/ ... -ua-campus
A student holding a sign that read “You deserve rape” ignited outrage across campus Tuesday, on the same day of a sexual assault awareness event, but administrators declined requests to remove him or his sign.
Dean Saxton — also known as Brother Dean Samuel — regularly preaches on the UA Mall in front of Heritage Hill and the Administration building. On Tuesday, his sermon drew the attention of onlookers, several of whom either personally confronted him or complained to the Dean of Students Office.
The Dean of Students Office received stacks of written complaints, emails and multiple phone calls regarding Saxton’s sermon about women, said Kendal Washington White, interim dean of students.
Saxton has never directly threatened anyone in particular, and his language has been general enough that he isn’t targeting a particular person, White said. However, a university attorney was contacted to discuss the situation.
“We find it to be vulgar and vile,” White said. “However, it is protected speech. He has yet to, at this point, violate the student code of conduct.”
Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that “if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you’re probably going to get raped.”
“I think that girls that dress and act like it,” Saxton said, “they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they’re pretty much asking for it.”
Saxton’s sermon came ahead of the “Take Back the Night” event held Tuesday night, which aims to unite people against sexual violence. He said his decision to create the sign and display it was tied to the event and to the fact that April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.
“[Saxton] is part of a larger societal culture that tolerates rape, and that’s exactly what the Oasis Program Against Sexual Assault and Relationship Violence is here to counteract,” said Megan McKendry, a violence prevention specialist with Oasis, a program out of Campus Health Service. “His message is an awful one that we condemn. No one deserves to be raped.”
University of Arizona Police Department officers also received multiple calls about an incident that took place around 12:40 p.m. involving Saxton, said Joe Bermudez, a spokesman for UAPD. The incident involved a student who tried to pull down Saxton’s sign.
Bermudez would not elaborate on the assault because the investigation is ongoing.
“I think if he’s trying to, you know, get people to know God, I think he’s just doing it wrong,” said Paola Gonzalez, a pre-pharmacy sophomore. “It is free speech, but I still disagree that he should be able to call other people names and we can’t call him names. He shouldn’t be able to call us names, either.”
http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/ ... -ua-campus
A student holding a sign that read “You deserve rape” ignited outrage across campus Tuesday, on the same day of a sexual assault awareness event, but administrators declined requests to remove him or his sign.
Dean Saxton — also known as Brother Dean Samuel — regularly preaches on the UA Mall in front of Heritage Hill and the Administration building. On Tuesday, his sermon drew the attention of onlookers, several of whom either personally confronted him or complained to the Dean of Students Office.
The Dean of Students Office received stacks of written complaints, emails and multiple phone calls regarding Saxton’s sermon about women, said Kendal Washington White, interim dean of students.
Saxton has never directly threatened anyone in particular, and his language has been general enough that he isn’t targeting a particular person, White said. However, a university attorney was contacted to discuss the situation.
“We find it to be vulgar and vile,” White said. “However, it is protected speech. He has yet to, at this point, violate the student code of conduct.”
Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that “if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you’re probably going to get raped.”
“I think that girls that dress and act like it,” Saxton said, “they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they’re pretty much asking for it.”
Saxton’s sermon came ahead of the “Take Back the Night” event held Tuesday night, which aims to unite people against sexual violence. He said his decision to create the sign and display it was tied to the event and to the fact that April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.
“[Saxton] is part of a larger societal culture that tolerates rape, and that’s exactly what the Oasis Program Against Sexual Assault and Relationship Violence is here to counteract,” said Megan McKendry, a violence prevention specialist with Oasis, a program out of Campus Health Service. “His message is an awful one that we condemn. No one deserves to be raped.”
University of Arizona Police Department officers also received multiple calls about an incident that took place around 12:40 p.m. involving Saxton, said Joe Bermudez, a spokesman for UAPD. The incident involved a student who tried to pull down Saxton’s sign.
Bermudez would not elaborate on the assault because the investigation is ongoing.
“I think if he’s trying to, you know, get people to know God, I think he’s just doing it wrong,” said Paola Gonzalez, a pre-pharmacy sophomore. “It is free speech, but I still disagree that he should be able to call other people names and we can’t call him names. He shouldn’t be able to call us names, either.”
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I also will support any woman that chooses to kick him in the junk for holding said sign.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
It could be the next big viral video. :geek:
Now THAT... i would watch!!!
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
woman is art...art is woman
By now, I shouldn't be but am still floored that this kind of thinking still occurs, is actually "preached".
But yes, he has as much freedom to do his thing as...the Westboro Church, for example.
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well all he needs to do is go find a girl 'who is asking for it' and remedy the situation.
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It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
To include politicians, people in authority that spew this kind of crap for all to hear and a growing number of people to agree with.
tolerate rape? many men fantasize about rape ... nice huh?
Any self respecting woman would understand the importance of modesty.
Any smart women would understand men.
Any prepared women would not allow victimization and would fight for their life
because the very essence of life is what is taken away when they are raped.
Fuck rapists ... be prepared to die, woman aren't going to stay the weaker sex.
Anyway...parts of your post make no sense to me - I do respect myself and am typically "modest" (read: introverted). But when I choose not to be? It's not an open invitation.
As to understanding men...I think I do. At least, the decent ones who'd never consider lack of modesty as, again, an open invitation.
any self respecting woman would understand her own sexuality and how to own it regardless of what it is society deems acceptable... modesty has nothing to do with it.. insofar that modesty is a paradigm established by the patriarchy in order that they not be tempted(I call it the adam defence) cause it is they who seem to have the overwhelming issues with a womans sexuality and all that it implies. all we need to do is look at what an issue breastfeeding in public has become.
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Dark recesses of hedonist's fantasies!!!
Modesty? Guess that means for a 'smart' woman dressing and behaving 'appropriately'? Like keeping your tits comfortably in and having a skirt/dress longer than mid-thigh? Or is that not modest enough? Maybe need to cover your shoulders and not wear too much make up?
Understanding men? Would that mean for a 'smart' woman to 'understand' that men can't resist temptation? That they are all rapists in the making if the 'smart' woman is not modest? Hmmmm.... the 'smart' woman knows not to tempt the weak man who has no will... I've heard that excuse for women to cover up somewhere....
As you say hedonist, what one may consider a lack of modesty (by who's standard?) or lack of 'understanding men' is NEVER an open invitation to rape. NEVER.
Hope that makes sense.
heres the issue I have with so called rape fantasies. and I speak only of my own personal feelings. I used to get turned on by the thought of being taken by force... but then I realised that at some point I would relent and allow the man to take what he wanted. but then I figured out that if I didn't 'allow' him to 'take' what he wanted thered be no sex in what ever mode that took place. and I started to wondering if this was in fact a rape fantasy. I knew that if somebody really attacked me and forced themselves upon me without my consent then thered be no fantasy there... but itd certainly be a very serious violation of my person. so I figured as much as I liked a high level of force and an equally high level of rough sex, any rape fantasy I had wasn't really a rape fantasy but some sort of safe sexual play where i had a level of control thatd be absent from a legitimate rape.
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oh absolutely. heres a little anecdote id like to share that had me thinking about modesty/sexuality/blah blah blah...
last month i went to a gig wearing a revealing top. on this particular occasion this guy struck up a conversation with me and we made plans to meet up. at the time it amused me cause usually when i go see a band i wear a tshirt where no cleavage is on display. and i couldn't help but think was his attention drawn to me cause i was more 'on display' than i usually am. then i started to think whether i had dressed revealingly for the specific purpose of attracting attention. i came to the conclusion that fuck men i like my boob and i wanted to give them some air.... but still the incident had me thinking. im also planning on testing my theory more.
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Thus it being a 'fantasy' and usually kept as such.
but that's the thing... i cant see it as a rape, even in fantasy if i cant give up all my control to the 'rapist'. i see it as kinda fake. my feigning consent(for the 'fantasy') by half heartedly crying no no stop negates any feeling i get from it being a rape fantasy. i apologise im finding this difficult to articulate.
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Thus I believe saying a woman is asking for it by the way she dresses is just an excuse, a deflection on the urge for control that the rapist needs to establish over his victim. If it were purely a sexual 'attraction' thing, lots of women wouldn't get raped (though I do understand that men can find many different kinds of women of all ages and sizes attractive). It's not about attraction but power and control. Claiming that women are 'asking for it' by the way they dress or act is just a plain lie.
I've been told this my whole life, i disagree it's as black and white as that.
a lie? no an excuse? no. its horseshit is what it is redrock.
im thinking my sexual proclivities preclude the possibility of rape fantasy.
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I'm sure there's sexual gratification as well and I'm sure it's not as black and white as that but rape is control. Control over women that maybe the rapist would never be able to 'have', etc. See also how rape is used to subdue in warfare. Power over someone.
This is excellent, i'm going to show this post to my wife tonight, we've had long heated arguments about this. You make both my point and hers, we'll probably end up in an fight but i cant let her win them all.