Boston Marathon - explosion

unsung

dimitrispearljam wrote:

unsung wrote:

Did I ever say that is right?

i thought we was talking here about facts anf reality and what happens in real world..
if we talking about dreams and ideal situations,then i want only one thing

Monica Belluci with me in my bed..and ill be the happiest man on earth..

Well if we are in fantasy land I'll take the Millas, Jovovich and Kunis.

In reality I've discussed my thoughts on airport security which is not related to this but if it were a private security company I'd have no issues.

As far as this Boston thing I believe it provided a chance for DHS to show off their new toys. They wanted to see how far they could push things before people would protest too much. Unfortunately they decided to cheer in the streets. "So this is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause".

All I'm asking is for everyone to be critical thinkers and not just believers. You are only here once.

badbrains

unsung wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

unsung wrote:

Did I ever say that is right?

i thought we was talking here about facts anf reality and what happens in real world..
if we talking about dreams and ideal situations,then i want only one thing

Monica Belluci with me in my bed..and ill be the happiest man on earth..

Well if we are in fantasy land I'll take the Millas, Jovovich and Kunis.

In reality I've discussed my thoughts on airport security which is not related to this but if it were a private security company I'd have no issues.

As far as this Boston thing I believe it provided a chance for DHS to show off their new toys. They wanted to see how far they could push things before people would protest too much. Unfortunately they decided to cheer in the streets. "So this is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause".

All I'm asking is for everyone to be critical thinkers and not just believers. You are only here once.

I think 3 is to much for you to handle Unsung, so I'll help you out and take Kunis off your hands. :thumbup: Oh and I agree with your post as well. It's getting scary out there folks.

unsung

unsung wrote:

The police keeping us safe, just don't take any pictures.

Seriously, no opinions on this make me believe that this behavior is accepted here.

chadwick

please explain to us how law enforcement was to get this dirt-bag? please tell us how what they did was evil & wrong because a few people had to leave their home(s) (I saw one home having people removed hands on heads) and some people had guns pointed at them...

in less than 1 week (was it 4-5 days?) law enforcement officials killed one bomber & his own brother helped him die by running him over in a stolen car was it? it was stolen, yes? threw bombs and bullets, fast ass bullets at cops, and finally arrested the little puke-wad for his terrorizing & murdering & maiming people.

explain to us how this circus act should have been handled, can you please?

you folks screaming the law enforcement did this wrong, the fbi did this wrong, blah blah blah... yes the oldest bomber was in fbi's crosshairs 2 years ago. they had nothing I guess, right? or he'd have been arrested, yes/no?

are some of you fbi agents? are you a police officer? are you a swat team bomb expert? are you a terrorist investigator? how long have you been with the bureau? you study law? you been overseas tracking down terror groups the last decade away from your loved ones?

show us where & what the law enforcement agencies have failed at

you have no idea the magnitude of which this is & how to deal with this dire situation amongst a large city of innocent people. it's fucking on full force.

chadwick

DPrival78 wrote:

didnt he shoot himself in the throat? here he is, climbing out of the boat without help. i thought he was dying from his wounds.

he doesn't look well

dignin

unsung wrote:

unsung wrote:

The police keeping us safe, just don't take any pictures.

Seriously, no opinions on this make me believe that this behavior is accepted here.

This kind of thing shouldn't be accepted. The militarization of our police forces is getting quite scary. And whats even more scary is the public's acceptance of this. We have laws and rights for a reason, giving them away for our "safety" is a bad path to go down in my opinion.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung wrote:

unsung wrote:

The police keeping us safe, just don't take any pictures.

Seriously, no opinions on this make me believe that this behavior is accepted here.

Opinion: necessity.

I know this picture depicts your paranoid notion of a police state, but instead of asking others to be critical thinkers... how about you do the same?

From my perspective... this was an extreme act of violence and the risk for idle pursuit could not be measured. In other words... was there to be an encore? The police managed to ascertain the identities of the two bombers, track them down, and detain both (one is detained dead) with only one more casualty in the line of duty. An extremely efficient display of police work.

Some people were 'inconvenianced'... but don't get scared here, Unsung. Things are getting back to normal now that the 'dirty work' is done.

And, most interstingly... why do you keep avoiding the obvious question that people keep asking of you? How do you suggest police should have alternatively handled this situation?

unsung

chadwick wrote:

please explain to us how law enforcement was to get this dirt-bag? please tell us how what they did was evil & wrong because a few people had to leave their home(s) (I saw one home having people removed hands on heads) and some people had guns pointed at them...

in less than 1 week (was it 4-5 days?) law enforcement officials killed one bomber & his own brother helped him die by running him over in a stolen car was it? it was stolen, yes? threw bombs and bullets, fast ass bullets at cops, and finally arrested the little puke-wad for his terrorizing & murdering & maiming people.

explain to us how this circus act should have been handled, can you please?

you folks screaming the law enforcement did this wrong, the fbi did this wrong, blah blah blah... yes the oldest bomber was in fbi's crosshairs 2 years ago. they had nothing I guess, right? or he'd have been arrested, yes/no?

are some of you fbi agents? are you a police officer? are you a swat team bomb expert? are you a terrorist investigator? how long have you been with the bureau? you study law? you been overseas tracking down terror groups the last decade away from your loved ones?

show us where & what the law enforcement agencies have failed at

you have no idea the magnitude of which this is & how to deal with this dire situation amongst a large city of innocent people. it's fucking on full force.

I already have explained it. My problems is with how the innocent were treated. I am not going to say it for the fifteenth time. We are not supposed to trade liberty for a preceived security.

A man had a gun pointed at him because he was taking a photo, are you condoning that?

chadwick

these cops went days on end with zero sleep. after two-three full days with little to zero sleep you begin to hallucinate. i'd like to see those gripping about law enforcement's handle of this event step in their shoes and give it a go. 99% of you would not make it as long as this event played out.

4-5 days zero or little sleep searching for bombers, at least two, maybe an entire clubhouse of the fuckers, you don't know. they put their lives on the line to protect you people. are you knocking on doors looking for a wicked little bomber with an erection towards maiming & exploding innocent people?

walking dark alleyways looking in dumpsters & crawlspaces of all types...good times im sure

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I know this picture depicts your paranoid notion of a police state, but instead of asking others to be critical thinkers... how about you do the same?

From my perspective... this was an extreme act of violence and the risk for idle pursuit could not be measured. In other words... was there to be an encore? The police managed to ascertain the identities of the two bombers, track them down, and detain both (one is detained dead) with only one more casualty in the line of duty. An extremely efficient display of police work.

Some people were 'inconvenianced'... but don't get scared here, Unsung. Things are getting back to normal now that the 'dirty work' is done.

And, most interstingly... why do you keep avoiding the obvious question that people keep asking of you? How do you suggest police should have alternatively handled this situation?

I have answered it. Maybe I haven't answered it how you want me to. I'm not avoiding anything, people were not inconvenienced, people were not shown their RIGHTS. Barging into someone's house is not an inconvenience, it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That is not an inconvenience.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung wrote:

chadwick wrote:

please explain to us how law enforcement was to get this dirt-bag? please tell us how what they did was evil & wrong because a few people had to leave their home(s) (I saw one home having people removed hands on heads) and some people had guns pointed at them...

in less than 1 week (was it 4-5 days?) law enforcement officials killed one bomber & his own brother helped him die by running him over in a stolen car was it? it was stolen, yes? threw bombs and bullets, fast ass bullets at cops, and finally arrested the little puke-wad for his terrorizing & murdering & maiming people.

explain to us how this circus act should have been handled, can you please?

you folks screaming the law enforcement did this wrong, the fbi did this wrong, blah blah blah... yes the oldest bomber was in fbi's crosshairs 2 years ago. they had nothing I guess, right? or he'd have been arrested, yes/no?

are some of you fbi agents? are you a police officer? are you a swat team bomb expert? are you a terrorist investigator? how long have you been with the bureau? you study law? you been overseas tracking down terror groups the last decade away from your loved ones?

show us where & what the law enforcement agencies have failed at

you have no idea the magnitude of which this is & how to deal with this dire situation amongst a large city of innocent people. it's fucking on full force.

I already have explained it. My problems is with how the innocent were treated. I am not going to say it for the fifteenth time. We are not supposed to trade liberty for a preceived security.

A man had a gun pointed at him because he was taking a photo, are you condoning that?

I'm not. That photo is disturbing, but we will have to excuse the cop for being on guard after one of his colleagues was gunned down and many more were shot at and had bombs thrown at them. He never pulled the trigger afer assessing the potential threat though.

I'll tell you something... when the city is on alert and the shit is hitting the fan... I'm not standing at my window pointing anything at police while they are doing their work. This is asking for trouble.

dimitrispearljam

chadwick wrote:

please explain to us how law enforcement was to get this dirt-bag? please tell us how what they did was evil & wrong because a few people had to leave their home(s) (I saw one home having people removed hands on heads) and some people had guns pointed at them...

in less than 1 week (was it 4-5 days?) law enforcement officials killed one bomber & his own brother helped him die by running him over in a stolen car was it? it was stolen, yes? threw bombs and bullets, fast ass bullets at cops, and finally arrested the little puke-wad for his terrorizing & murdering & maiming people.

explain to us how this circus act should have been handled, can you please?

you folks screaming the law enforcement did this wrong, the fbi did this wrong, blah blah blah... yes the oldest bomber was in fbi's crosshairs 2 years ago. they had nothing I guess, right? or he'd have been arrested, yes/no?

are some of you fbi agents? are you a police officer? are you a swat team bomb expert? are you a terrorist investigator? how long have you been with the bureau? you study law? you been overseas tracking down terror groups the last decade away from your loved ones?

show us where & what the law enforcement agencies have failed at

you have no idea the magnitude of which this is & how to deal with this dire situation amongst a large city of innocent people. it's fucking on full force.

yeah..people say things without having a clue how rules of engagement are..
and seriously,a dangerous man,with guns and explosives is in the area,accused killing people at marathon,accused killed an officer a few hours ago...and are people that complaining with the tactics the police and fbi try to get him??for protect them?for make them feel safe..?to take the bad guy down??
wtf do they want??
if not arrest him..why they dont arrest him yet..if arrest him..they didnt do with the right way..didnt read his rights and tell us to stay home..
wtf do you want???God sent a strike and burn him??
someone is responsible for the safety of citizen...and if he says to the people stay in your house cos we need to catch him..well,stay at your houses..

chadwick

unsung wrote:

chadwick wrote:

please explain to us how law enforcement was to get this dirt-bag? please tell us how what they did was evil & wrong because a few people had to leave their home(s) (I saw one home having people removed hands on heads) and some people had guns pointed at them...

in less than 1 week (was it 4-5 days?) law enforcement officials killed one bomber & his own brother helped him die by running him over in a stolen car was it? it was stolen, yes? threw bombs and bullets, fast ass bullets at cops, and finally arrested the little puke-wad for his terrorizing & murdering & maiming people.

explain to us how this circus act should have been handled, can you please?

you folks screaming the law enforcement did this wrong, the fbi did this wrong, blah blah blah... yes the oldest bomber was in fbi's crosshairs 2 years ago. they had nothing I guess, right? or he'd have been arrested, yes/no?

are some of you fbi agents? are you a police officer? are you a swat team bomb expert? are you a terrorist investigator? how long have you been with the bureau? you study law? you been overseas tracking down terror groups the last decade away from your loved ones?

show us where & what the law enforcement agencies have failed at

you have no idea the magnitude of which this is & how to deal with this dire situation amongst a large city of innocent people. it's fucking on full force.

I already have explained it. My problems is with how the innocent were treated. I am not going to say it for the fifteenth time. We are not supposed to trade liberty for a preceived security.

A man had a gun pointed at him because he was taking a photo, are you condoning that?

sure I am. I don't care if a gun is pointed at him, her or even myself.
get your dumbass out of the window with your stupid little camera if you don't wanna have a gun pointed in your immediate direction

does that cop 40 feet away know that is a innocent none terrorist snapping pictures? no he does not know that

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

unsung wrote:

The police keeping us safe, just don't take any pictures.

Seriously, no opinions on this make me believe that this behavior is accepted here.

How do you suggest police should have alternatively handled this situation?

I would expect them to act like human beings in a city full of civilians. Like cops dealing with civilians. I expect them to catch criminals like they always should, by the letter of the law. I don't feel like this was what happened.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I know this picture depicts your paranoid notion of a police state, but instead of asking others to be critical thinkers... how about you do the same?

From my perspective... this was an extreme act of violence and the risk for idle pursuit could not be measured. In other words... was there to be an encore? The police managed to ascertain the identities of the two bombers, track them down, and detain both (one is detained dead) with only one more casualty in the line of duty. An extremely efficient display of police work.

Some people were 'inconvenianced'... but don't get scared here, Unsung. Things are getting back to normal now that the 'dirty work' is done.

And, most interstingly... why do you keep avoiding the obvious question that people keep asking of you? How do you suggest police should have alternatively handled this situation?

I have answered it. Maybe I haven't answered it how you want me to. I'm not avoiding anything, people were not inconvenienced, people were not shown their RIGHTS. Barging into someone's house is not an inconvenience, it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That is not an inconvenience.

You have not answered to any degree of satisfaction. The only thing you have responded with is how they shouldn't have proceeded. You have offered no alternative methodology.

From what you have said... one can ascertain that you would have preferred that the police stumble upon the two bombers through 'typical' police work where they might be sitting at their desk waiting for leads to trickle in. If a couple of months go by (best case scenario) or another bomb goes off (worst case scenario)... you seem to be okay with that to preserve the right to not get off your couch and have police satisfy themselves that the killers aren't camped out in your house- possibly keeping a family member at gunpoint.

dimitrispearljam

well..the way i see the photo..is just another photo like the ones at Avganistan and iraq..
arent there usa for help the poor?to help to find their liberty and freedom?to help them from the bad guys??
make people feel safe??put the dictators down??

they did exactly the same in boston..help the people of Boston to feel safe again..to put the bad guy down..

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

chadwick wrote:

please explain to us how law enforcement was to get this dirt-bag? please tell us how what they did was evil & wrong because a few people had to leave their home(s) (I saw one home having people removed hands on heads) and some people had guns pointed at them...

in less than 1 week (was it 4-5 days?) law enforcement officials killed one bomber & his own brother helped him die by running him over in a stolen car was it? it was stolen, yes? threw bombs and bullets, fast ass bullets at cops, and finally arrested the little puke-wad for his terrorizing & murdering & maiming people.

explain to us how this circus act should have been handled, can you please?

you folks screaming the law enforcement did this wrong, the fbi did this wrong, blah blah blah... yes the oldest bomber was in fbi's crosshairs 2 years ago. they had nothing I guess, right? or he'd have been arrested, yes/no?

are some of you fbi agents? are you a police officer? are you a swat team bomb expert? are you a terrorist investigator? how long have you been with the bureau? you study law? you been overseas tracking down terror groups the last decade away from your loved ones?

show us where & what the law enforcement agencies have failed at

you have no idea the magnitude of which this is & how to deal with this dire situation amongst a large city of innocent people. it's fucking on full force.

I already have explained it. My problems is with how the innocent were treated. I am not going to say it for the fifteenth time. We are not supposed to trade liberty for a preceived security.

A man had a gun pointed at him because he was taking a photo, are you condoning that?

I'm not. That photo is disturbing, but we will have to excuse the cop for being on guard after one of his colleagues was gunned down and many more were shot at and had bombs thrown at them. He never pulled the trigger afer assessing the potential threat though.

I'll tell you something... when the city is on alert and the shit is hitting the fan... I'm not standing at my window pointing anything at police while they are doing their work. This is asking for trouble.

I'll agree with you there, my ass would be high tailing it out of the city... Oh wait.

unsung

dimitrispearljam wrote:

well..the way i see the photo..is just another photo like the ones at Avganistan and iraq..
arent there usa for help the poor?to help to find their liberty and freedom?to help them from the bad guys??
make people feel safe??put the dictators down??

they did exactly the same in boston..help the people of Boston to feel safe again..to put the bad guy down..

Thank you! You just proved my point.

rollings

unsung wrote:

The police keeping us safe, just don't take any pictures.

the driver of the tank is lighting a cigarette.

oops.

chadwick

fact... 14,079 younger & older boston citizens are lying up today & have the past week to become police officers, sheriffs, state patrol, fbi, atf, and all in between