Boston Marathon - explosion

JimmyV

unsung wrote:

unsung wrote:

The police keeping us safe, just don't take any pictures.

Seriously, no opinions on this make me believe that this behavior is accepted here.

An armed terrorist, who only days before had attempted to commit mass murder, was on the loose. In the street was a humvee with an armed National Guardsman providing security. Suddenly, someone appears in a window and points something in the troopers direction. He turns towards this person...

...and then...

nothing happens. No shots are fired. The camera is not taken away. The person taking the picture is free to do with it whatever they like. Hard to imagine that happening if the police were acting in the manner you seem hellbent on pretending they were.

dignin

dimitrispearljam wrote:

well..the way i see the photo..is just another photo like the ones at Avganistan and iraq..
arent there usa for help the poor?to help to find their liberty and freedom?to help them from the bad guys??
make people feel safe??put the dictators down??

they did exactly the same in boston..help the people of Boston to feel safe again..to put the bad guy down..

I think you are 100% right. But maybe you should really think about that, is that how it should be?

chadwick

dimitrispearljam wrote:

well..the way i see the photo..is just another photo like the ones at Avganistan and iraq..
arent there usa for help the poor?to help to find their liberty and freedom?to help them from the bad guys??
make people feel safe??put the dictators down??

they did exactly the same in boston..help the people of Boston to feel safe again..to put the bad guy down..

and they did it with lives on the line big time. at any time anyone of them could have been shot and or blown to pieces

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I know this picture depicts your paranoid notion of a police state, but instead of asking others to be critical thinkers... how about you do the same?

From my perspective... this was an extreme act of violence and the risk for idle pursuit could not be measured. In other words... was there to be an encore? The police managed to ascertain the identities of the two bombers, track them down, and detain both (one is detained dead) with only one more casualty in the line of duty. An extremely efficient display of police work.

Some people were 'inconvenianced'... but don't get scared here, Unsung. Things are getting back to normal now that the 'dirty work' is done.

And, most interstingly... why do you keep avoiding the obvious question that people keep asking of you? How do you suggest police should have alternatively handled this situation?

Lol, that guy would have never made it in my house.


I have answered it. Maybe I haven't answered it how you want me to. I'm not avoiding anything, people were not inconvenienced, people were not shown their RIGHTS. Barging into someone's house is not an inconvenience, it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That is not an inconvenience.

You have not answered to any degree of satisfaction. The only thing you have responded with is how they shouldn't have proceeded. You have offered no alternative methodology.

From what you have said... one can ascertain that you would have preferred that the police stumble upon the two bombers through 'typical' police work where they might be sitting at their desk waiting for leads to trickle in. If a couple of months go by (best case scenario) or another bomb goes off (worst case scenario)... you seem to be okay with that to preserve the right to not get off your couch and have police satisfy themselves that the killers aren't camped out in your house- possibly keeping a family member at gunpoint.

On edit. Sorry on my phone, this site doesn't format well. Why isn't the iPhone app supported anymore?

I said he would have never made it in my house.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Unsung...

Your neverending stream of flag waving is very disrespectful to the authorites that many are calling heroes. The police you are so critical of put their heads in the crosshairs and performed admirably. I understand that there was an atypical approach to apprehending the fugitives and that this might be unsettling, but the magnitude of the crime demanded it. I also understand free speech, but in this instance I would suggest you put aside your agenda to warn the public of the impending government takeover.

dignin

chadwick wrote:

fact... 14,079 younger & older boston citizens are lying up today & have the past week to become police officers, sheriffs, state patrol, fbi, atf, and all in between

No shit, look at all the power they will give you.

dimitrispearljam

unsung wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

well..the way i see the photo..is just another photo like the ones at Avganistan and iraq..
arent there usa for help the poor?to help to find their liberty and freedom?to help them from the bad guys??
make people feel safe??put the dictators down??

they did exactly the same in boston..help the people of Boston to feel safe again..to put the bad guy down..

Thank you! You just proved my point.

you dont have a clue about military tactics..
and when someone do a terrorist attack you take what needs to secure safety of people..

do u have any idea the scenarios??

do you think the one in charge has to do with a window photographer ?

do you realise what will happen if there was 50 of them with bombs??\

Boston will be hell..

well done to the authorities that secure Boston to get back to normal

chadwick

dignin wrote:

chadwick wrote:

fact... 14,079 younger & older boston citizens are lying up today & have the past week to become police officers, sheriffs, state patrol, fbi, atf, and all in between

No shit, look at all the power they will give you.

it made people proud of them. they did a fantastic job. they had the exact power to overtake this evil maniac so they did just that.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

I already have explained it. My problems is with how the innocent were treated. I am not going to say it for the fifteenth time. We are not supposed to trade liberty for a preceived security.

A man had a gun pointed at him because he was taking a photo, are you condoning that?

I'm not. That photo is disturbing, but we will have to excuse the cop for being on guard after one of his colleagues was gunned down and many more were shot at and had bombs thrown at them. He never pulled the trigger afer assessing the potential threat though.

I'll tell you something... when the city is on alert and the shit is hitting the fan... I'm not standing at my window pointing anything at police while they are doing their work. This is asking for trouble.

I'll agree with you there...

I Win!

dimitrispearljam

dignin wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

well..the way i see the photo..is just another photo like the ones at Avganistan and iraq..
arent there usa for help the poor?to help to find their liberty and freedom?to help them from the bad guys??
make people feel safe??put the dictators down??

they did exactly the same in boston..help the people of Boston to feel safe again..to put the bad guy down..

I think you are 100% right. But maybe you should really think about that, is that how it should be?

no it shouldnt..we should all live in peace and with no guns..

but what the authorities can do when terrorist put bombs in a sport event with thousand of people??
to say,well,not shut down the town,no block the area,cos we will hurt liberty..
come on.,.was an attack..need to protect the people..
can you quarantee there wasnt 50 more of terrorist with bombs and had plan to destroy the city?
can you take the risk??
anyone has a better idea how to handle terrorist that put bombs and wanna hurt the society??
lets hear it

unsung

dimitrispearljam wrote:

unsung wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

well..the way i see the photo..is just another photo like the ones at Avganistan and iraq..
arent there usa for help the poor?to help to find their liberty and freedom?to help them from the bad guys??
make people feel safe??put the dictators down??

they did exactly the same in boston..help the people of Boston to feel safe again..to put the bad guy down..

Thank you! You just proved my point.

you dont have a clue about military tactics..
and when someone do a terrorist attack you take what needs to secure safety of people..

do u have any idea the scenarios??

do you think the one in charge has to do with a window photographer ?

do you realise what will happen if there was 50 of them with bombs??\

Boston will be hell..

well done to the authorities that secure Boston to get back to normal

Lol, and you guys call me paranoid.

JimmyV

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I Win!

Ok, sure. Ha. Have a good one, gotta get back to work.

dignin

dimitrispearljam wrote:

dignin wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

well..the way i see the photo..is just another photo like the ones at Avganistan and iraq..
arent there usa for help the poor?to help to find their liberty and freedom?to help them from the bad guys??
make people feel safe??put the dictators down??

they did exactly the same in boston..help the people of Boston to feel safe again..to put the bad guy down..

I think you are 100% right. But maybe you should really think about that, is that how it should be?

no it shouldnt..we should all live in peace and with no guns..

but what the authorities can do when terrorist put bombs in a sport event with thousand of people??
to say,well,not shut down the town,no block the area,cos we will hurt liberty..
come on.,.was an attack..need to protect the people..
can you quarantee there wasnt 50 more of terrorist with bombs and had plan to destroy the city?
can you take the risk??
anyone has a better idea how to handle terrorist that put bombs and wanna hurt the society??
lets hear it

Living in a free and open society will always have risks. Risks I personally am willing to take. Thousands if not millions of people before me have died for those freedoms.

To your last point, again, I will say within the boundaries of our laws.

I feel people are looking at this very emotionally. Caught up in the drama exaggerated by the media. Maybe we need more time to look at this more objectively.

dimitrispearljam

and something else..
with out breaking eggs you cant make omelet..

you want the city secure??..someone is responsible for that..
i dont think the fbi chief at the area when he woke up at monday morning wanted that nightmare and responsibility at his hands..
someone needs to do the job..
bad guys are down.
they did their job...

sorry if someone dont like that picture,and think its crazy to see this inside a city..i dont like too this kind of images..but..
but those guys at the picture was ready to shot and get shot for protect everyone asses there..

mydogmookieblaylock

there is a guy in a tank with a machine gun - i should go to my window and take a picture.
:roll:

JimmyV

Waiting for someone to argue that a moment of silence is a violation of their 1st amendment right to free speech. At this point it would not surprise me.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

there is a guy in a tank with a machine gun - i should go to my window and take a picture.
:roll:

And now the guy in the tank, with a machine gun, is pointing that gun at me.

HEY! He is violating my rights!
How dare he!

dimitrispearljam

dignin wrote:

Living in a free and open society will always have risks. Risks I personally am willing to take. Thousands if not millions of people before me have died for those freedoms.

To your last point, again, I will say within the boundaries of our laws.

I feel people are looking at this very emotionally. Caught up in the drama exaggerated by the media. Maybe we need more time to look at this more objectively.

man,i live in Greece..we dont have this images there..no one attack us like that and we put the army on streets and lock down areas....we dont have as many enemies as usa..
but this is a nice conversation,when all is cool..and safe..
but when the guy is out there,with bombs,with guns,willing to hurt people,willing to die and get with him as many as he can,without knowning his connections,without knowing the plan,without knowing what suprise he may hiding..you cant take the risk..

and what emotionally??i saw a picture of a 8 years old kid..after a few minutes he became pieces cos of the bomb..
someone need to protect the next kid..of the next family .at the next door..
how??i would love to see people posting how..who has a better plan??

JimmyV

dimitrispearljam wrote:

how??i would love to see people posting how..who has a better plan??

The question has been asked repeatedly. No one has an answer. That says it all.