I'm really surprised that on a rock bands website that so many are ok with the authorities extending their powers ... especially when the facts indicate the civilians were just as helpful and many cases were more helpful.
i agree..the problem is when u need to secure fast a situation,must take calls that leave no risk..i think they did that this time..
i dont know anyone with common sense that likes military in the street of the city..
I agree they acted fast and did what they thought was best. Doesn't make what they did right. We have every right to question this after the fact and learn what mistakes were made.
I'm also thinking that from a policing and search point of view, having all kinds of people in the streets, gawking, trying to get some footage or photos on their cell phones to be able to put up on youtube or sell to the papers (the 'I was there' thing), etc. for their 15 minutes of fame would hinder the efforts of those trying to find the guy. Not only would they need to be super vigilant to their surroundings for their main purpose, they would have to be looking after the safety of the people out in the streets when a potentially dangerous person is on the loose in the neighbourhood.
Another point, easier to find a 'fugitive' trying to run away when no one else is in the street, as opposed to this fugitive melting away in a crowd.
If people hadn't been evacuated or told to stay in, I'd hate to think what the whole 'pointing of fingers' would be if one or more citizens got hurt or killed by a potential grenade/bomb/gun.
They just didn't know what this guy had on him/with him.
I'm also thinking that from a policing and search point of view, having all kinds of people in the streets, gawking, trying to get some footage or photos on their cell phones to be able to put up on youtube or sell to the papers (the 'I was there' thing), etc. for their 15 minutes of fame would hinder the efforts of those trying to find the guy. Not only would they need to be super vigilant to their surroundings for their main purpose, they would have to be looking after the safety of the people out in the streets when a potentially dangerous person is on the loose in the neighbourhood.
Another point, easier to find a 'fugitive' trying to run away when no one else is in the street, as opposed to this fugitive melting away in a crowd.
If people hadn't been evacuated or told to stay in, I'd hate to think what the whole 'pointing of fingers' would be if one or more citizens got hurt or killed by a potential grenade/bomb/gun.
They just didn't know what this guy had on him/with him.
Just a couple of thoughts....
thats why ii said it so many times here in the forum in different topics..
rules of engagement .trained people.,..there are specific ways to search,secure area,keep safe public,atttack,disarm,arrest..is all a plan..there are policeman,military for trained every day for do this 2-3 times in their lifes..
they know better..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I agree they acted fast and did what they thought was best. Doesn't make what they did right. We have every right to question this after the fact and learn what mistakes were made.
I don't disagree, but I do think there is a faction that was going to criticize whatever was done. They don't have much credibility in my eyes.
I'm really surprised that on a rock bands website that so many are ok with the authorities extending their powers ... especially when the facts indicate the civilians were just as helpful and many cases were more helpful.
i agree..the problem is when u need to secure fast a situation,must take calls that leave no risk..i think they did that this time..
i dont know anyone with common sense that likes military in the street of the city..
I agree they acted fast and did what they thought was best. Doesn't make what they did right. We have every right to question this after the fact and learn what mistakes were made.
i agree ofcourse you must question you have every right....but what you will choose the next time this will happen??
at you city?at your area??at your block??
to see open roads,no policeman at your street?or special forces block the road and ready to act to catch the fugitive?
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I agree they acted fast and did what they thought was best. Doesn't make what they did right. We have every right to question this after the fact and learn what mistakes were made.
I don't disagree, but I do think there is a faction that was going to criticize whatever was done. They don't have much credibility in my eyes.
Yes, I am borderline in that category. Past dealings with the police and having my rights trampled on have made me that way.
I watched and listened to that whole day going down and thought what the police were doing was reasonable and justified. But as stories came out later and upon further reflection I changed my mind. It worried me, and our acceptance of it worries me even more. There needs to be a push-back and criticism of this kind of use of force.
Teamsters blocking the Westboro Baptist Church at Krystle Campbell's funeral.
Jesus. Westboro's going after this?
Absolutely shameful.
Let the poor girl be buried and mourned and celebrated in peace.
why would you expect anything less?
seriously, I hope there is a god, because when these morons go in front of him to be judged they will then realize what a waste their lives were and I hope that he lets me sit in and watch their spirit faces go all wide eyed when the trap door opens...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Teamsters blocking the Westboro Baptist Church at Krystle Campbell's funeral.
Jesus. Westboro's going after this?
Absolutely shameful.
Let the poor girl be buried and mourned and celebrated in peace.
why would you expect anything less?
seriously, I hope there is a god, because when these morons go in front of him to be judged they will then realize what a waste their lives were and I hope that he lets me sit in and watch their spirit faces go all wide eyed when the trap door opens...
Well said, mikepegg. The actions of these people is sickening and disgusting. How on earth do people become so twisted and vile and self-righteous? Utterly shameful.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Teamsters blocking the Westboro Baptist Church at Krystle Campbell's funeral.
Jesus. Westboro's going after this?
Absolutely shameful.
Let the poor girl be buried and mourned and celebrated in peace.
why would you expect anything less?
seriously, I hope there is a god, because when these morons go in front of him to be judged they will then realize what a waste their lives were and I hope that he lets me sit in and watch their spirit faces go all wide eyed when the trap door opens...
It didn't even occur to me that this young woman - this whole thing - would be in their cross-hairs.
I hope that they, like some of the others who've escaped that madness, will eventually see how utterly fucked up their mindset and actions have been. I'd also not have a problem with retribution.
(I also hope to hell they don't pull this at the funerals for the other young lady and the little girl)
Earlier, some 200 members of Teamsters Local 25 began gathering at St. Joseph’s Church before 8 a.m. today, promising to block protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church if they followed through on a threat to picket the funeral.
Sean O’Brien, president and principal officer of Teamster’s local, said the community reached out to the Teamsters yesterday “because they know how influential we are.”
“It’s the right thing to do,” O’Brien said of the decision to protect the funeral. “The family deserves a peaceful grieving process that’s free from any coward-led group.”
O’Brien said the Teamsters mobilized their members and other unions through Twitter and Facebook yesterday. He added that about 350 Teamsters are expected this morning, “and we can get 1,000 if we need them.”
The Kansas church is a fringe religious organization whose members stage protests at high-profile funeral services to draw attention to their views. No church members were visible as of late morning.
While the blocking of possible protests was organized by the Teamsters, it drew many people without union ties.
Derek Lofstrom, 33, of Winchester said he learned protesters would possibly be at the funeral on Sunday night through his Facebook feed, and immediately decided he would help block them. He climbed a tree in a yard across from the church to help hang a large American flag Monday.
“I felt it was kind of my civic duty to come out,” he said. “There’s no way in hell I wasn’t going to.”
Mary Mackey, 25, and Charlie Sanphy, 27, drove from Nahant to join the crowd in Medford, not because they’re in a union, but to object to the protesters. “They shouldn’t be protesting funerals,” Mackey said of the Westboro Baptist Church. “I’m here to stand up to them. I don’t like people who spew hate. I’m also here to support this family.”
Gary Lewis, 56, of Reading, stood at the corner of High Street and Boynton Road Monday morning, wearing his leather jacket with a US Marine Corps insignia on the back.
“I want this family to have some peace and mourn without putting up with the [protesters],” he said. “I hope try get the respect they deserve.”
Teamsters blocking the Westboro Baptist Church at Krystle Campbell's funeral.
Why they do that?
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It didn't even occur to me that this young woman - this whole thing - would be in their cross-hairs.
I hope that they, like some of the others who've escaped that madness, will eventually see how utterly fucked up their mindset and actions have been. I'd also not have a problem with retribution.
(I also hope to hell they don't pull this at the funerals for the other young lady and the little girl)
They released a statement that these attacks were the fault of gay marriage supporters.
They would be funny if they were not so disgusting.
Don't play with words: inciting violence is a little different than crime and punishment.
It's been suggested that vengeance is the justice that people are seeking in this case. I think there's an enormous body of legal theory, philosophy and psychology supporting the idea that vengeance is smallest and perhaps least important part of "justice." Ask yourselves: when did you feel relief in this case? When you heard that he was captured? Or when you heard that he was bloodied in the process? Personally, I can say without a doubt (and I think most honest people will agree) that I felt far more relief knowing that the guy was caught than I did knowing that he had been injured or shot in the process. My secondary concern after the bombings happened (primary being the people killed or injured) was: what's next? Are there others? Will more die? It was vaguely how I felt after September 11.
Our justice system, as in many civil societies, is theoretically and largely based on restoration of order, not retribution. The media focuses on the criminals, sure, because it's interesting, it draws viewers etc (and there's a whole body of theory on why that is too). But realistically and practically speaking, criminal justice is focused on taking disorder and making it orderly again. Chaos after a bomb goes off in a crowd of innocent people...into a conviction and a state-sanctioned sentence. Our dispassionate processes ensure that no one violent criminal or act can send our world into chaos and dysfunction. For so many reasons that I do not need to elaborate on, I much prefer this scenario, as opposed to chaos after a bomb...into the chaos of mob justice.
The concern with people describing what they'd like to see done to this guy or why they're glad/satisfied/OK with whatever injuries he has is that many of us, myself included, don't just limit their opinions to these messageboards. You got out. You talk with your family. You talk with your friends. You tell your co-workers. You tell your kids. You cast votes. You sit on juries.
And sooner or later, the pernicious idea that vengeance IS justice sits in the minds of people who are able to deny due process. And when that happens, sooner or later, due process is denied in a case where the defendant truly could benefit from it (i.e. the wrongfully convicted).
What I've been arguing in this thread has nothing to do with whether I think this guy is guilty and deserves severe punishment (I do). It has everything to do with what I perceive as a concerning trend among people to allow emotion and hot-bloodedness to guide the things they say and do. Even in most cruel and awful cases, dispassionate reason must be our guide. Ask yourselves: is the benefit in capturing this guy that order and peace has been restored? Or are we happier because he's been punched, shot or injured?
I implore you: don't waste your breathe and energy and good nature wishing pain and suffering on a guy like this. He will be dealt with accordingly.
Teamsters blocking the Westboro Baptist Church at Krystle Campbell's funeral.
Why they do that?
Because they are some very disturbed people. This shits uncalled for and unreal. Let the family have there time to say good bye. Maybe people should start protesting these fucks and show up at there church. How far is Chadwick from these fuckers? I'm sure he can put a scare into them. :evil:
I'm also thinking that from a policing and search point of view, having all kinds of people in the streets, gawking, trying to get some footage or photos on their cell phones to be able to put up on youtube or sell to the papers (the 'I was there' thing), etc. for their 15 minutes of fame would hinder the efforts of those trying to find the guy. Not only would they need to be super vigilant to their surroundings for their main purpose, they would have to be looking after the safety of the people out in the streets when a potentially dangerous person is on the loose in the neighbourhood.
Another point, easier to find a 'fugitive' trying to run away when no one else is in the street, as opposed to this fugitive melting away in a crowd.
If people hadn't been evacuated or told to stay in, I'd hate to think what the whole 'pointing of fingers' would be if one or more citizens got hurt or killed by a potential grenade/bomb/gun.
They just didn't know what this guy had on him/with him.
Just a couple of thoughts....
good points
I made these exact same points pages ago,and they were all ignored by the "critics". because there's nothing to refute here.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Teamsters blocking the Westboro Baptist Church at Krystle Campbell's funeral.
Why they do that?
Go read about the Westboro Baptist Church.
A Socialist Act of Treason.
The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an American independent Baptist church known for its extreme ideologies, especially those against gay people. The church is widely described as a hate group
i think i read enough..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Another point, easier to find a 'fugitive' trying to run away when no one else is in the street, as opposed to this fugitive melting away in a crowd.
Except it was a civilian waking up in intensive care who apparently identified the terrorist that allowed the authorities to narrow it down to these 2. And it was a civilian who alerted the authorities to the 2nd guys whereabouts. While the authorities had people in lock down and were searching people homes he was never caught ... only after the lock down and the other non sense ended was he apprehended ... with the aid of civilians.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Another point, easier to find a 'fugitive' trying to run away when no one else is in the street, as opposed to this fugitive melting away in a crowd.
Except it was a civilian waking up in intensive care who apparently identified the terrorist that allowed the authorities to narrow it down to these 2. And it was a civilian who alerted the authorities to the 2nd guys whereabouts. While the authorities had people in lock down and were searching people homes he was never caught ... only after the lock down and the other non sense ended was he apprehended ... with the aid of civilians.
And not one of those locked down civilians was killed, or held hostage, or used as a human shield, or caught in a crossfire. We don't know if the same could be said had people been allowed to wander freely.
Sorry if I didn't go all the way back, so if this has been said I apologize.
as most of you probably know, I normally am all about protecting people's rights over police state tactics.
In this case, and in most cases while trying to effect an arrest police can operate within guidelines of probable cause. Searching homes in a pre-defined area where a suspect is hiding is justifiable in this case because they have reasonably calculated the size and scope of the area, set up perimeters and began their search.
Not letting people leave their homes is a mistake the police made. Searching all vehicles leaving the area where the road blocks/perimeters have been set up would have sufficed. People milling about on the street could have been arrested for interfering with a police investigation, however I don't believe the charges would have stuck. Telling someone to stay in their home is all fine and good, but when you physically restrain someone you aren't looking for you could be seen as crossing over the line.
Again police work and reasonable searches are conducted daily without trampling on rights, manhunts are as well. The key word is reasonable. I believe the cops here could show they had probable cause to enter the homes. They didn't do it to all homes in the boston area, just where they believed the suspect was located
As far as the picture goes, when you don't know what is happening, or how many people may be working together, or where they may be located specifically, it wouldn't surprise me that a figure in a window with a mechanical device would have a gun pointed at them by law enforcement. The still photo is disturbing no doubt, but I question how long the gun was pointed.
I think in some cases here the boston police dept acted within the scope of people's rights and I am positive they also made mistakes. Maybe it will wake people up to what things like NDAA and the patriot act actually allow...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Another point, easier to find a 'fugitive' trying to run away when no one else is in the street, as opposed to this fugitive melting away in a crowd.
Except it was a civilian waking up in intensive care who apparently identified the terrorist that allowed the authorities to narrow it down to these 2. And it was a civilian who alerted the authorities to the 2nd guys whereabouts. While the authorities had people in lock down and were searching people homes he was never caught ... only after the lock down and the other non sense ended was he apprehended ... with the aid of civilians.
And not one of those locked down civilians was killed, or kidnapped, or caught in a crossfire. We don't know if the same could be said had people been allowed to wander freely.
You can also suggest people stay indoors, warn people of the dangers and if they choose to venture out and end up getting caught in something ... at least it was their choice. Would not surprise me if the authorities used the incident as a trial run to see how far they could go to abusing civilians rights ... and from what I can see apparently it's ok.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: White House says surviving suspect in Boston bombings will not be tried as an enemy combatant.
Good to see
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Sorry if I didn't go all the way back, so if this has been said I apologize.
as most of you probably know, I normally am all about protecting people's rights over police state tactics.
In this case, and in most cases while trying to effect an arrest police can operate within guidelines of probable cause. Searching homes in a pre-defined area where a suspect is hiding is justifiable in this case because they have reasonably calculated the size and scope of the area, set up perimeters and began their search.
Not letting people leave their homes is a mistake the police made. Searching all vehicles leaving the area where the road blocks/perimeters have been set up would have sufficed. People milling about on the street could have been arrested for interfering with a police investigation, however I don't believe the charges would have stuck. Telling someone to stay in their home is all fine and good, but when you physically restrain someone you aren't looking for you could be seen as crossing over the line.
Again police work and reasonable searches are conducted daily without trampling on rights, manhunts are as well. The key word is reasonable. I believe the cops here could show they had probable cause to enter the homes. They didn't do it to all homes in the boston area, just where they believed the suspect was located
As far as the picture goes, when you don't know what is happening, or how many people may be working together, or where they may be located specifically, it wouldn't surprise me that a figure in a window with a mechanical device would have a gun pointed at them by law enforcement. The still photo is disturbing no doubt, but I question how long the gun was pointed.
I think in some cases here the boston police dept acted within the scope of people's rights and I am positive they also made mistakes. Maybe it will wake people up to what things like NDAA and the patriot act actually allow...
very good post,i agree,resonable is the key word..if they force people to stay in isnt good..
i think they did it ,if they did it for the good of the rest of the people for arrest the suspect asap/..
i dont think the whole operation made for take rights from people but for keep people safe...
atleast this i wish that happened
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: White House says surviving suspect in Boston bombings will not be tried as an enemy combatant.
Good to see
Hmmm... interesting. So... whatever he may have told the authorities whilst being 'interrogated' will be null and void since he hadn't been read his miranda rights???
Sorry if I didn't go all the way back, so if this has been said I apologize.
as most of you probably know, I normally am all about protecting people's rights over police state tactics.
In this case, and in most cases while trying to effect an arrest police can operate within guidelines of probable cause. Searching homes in a pre-defined area where a suspect is hiding is justifiable in this case because they have reasonably calculated the size and scope of the area, set up perimeters and began their search.
Not letting people leave their homes is a mistake the police made. Searching all vehicles leaving the area where the road blocks/perimeters have been set up would have sufficed. People milling about on the street could have been arrested for interfering with a police investigation, however I don't believe the charges would have stuck. Telling someone to stay in their home is all fine and good, but when you physically restrain someone you aren't looking for you could be seen as crossing over the line.
Again police work and reasonable searches are conducted daily without trampling on rights, manhunts are as well. The key word is reasonable. I believe the cops here could show they had probable cause to enter the homes. They didn't do it to all homes in the boston area, just where they believed the suspect was located
As far as the picture goes, when you don't know what is happening, or how many people may be working together, or where they may be located specifically, it wouldn't surprise me that a figure in a window with a mechanical device would have a gun pointed at them by law enforcement. The still photo is disturbing no doubt, but I question how long the gun was pointed.
I think in some cases here the boston police dept acted within the scope of people's rights and I am positive they also made mistakes. Maybe it will wake people up to what things like NDAA and the patriot act actually allow...
I agree. I have zero problem with the lockdown of Watertown, and clearing out some of Cambridge.
They were just about certain that the guy was in Watertown, and having that area locked down and searched made sense for everyone. The fact that he was found one block outside their perimeter backed that up further.
And clearing out Cambridge made sense, as they knew that these two had more explosives during the car chase that night, and who knows what they left where they lived. It could have been a terrible dangerous area.
I also get cracking down security at points of exit (airports, trains, busses, highways, etc). I just don't agree with locking down other areas of the city. That was well above and beyond the scope of what the manhunt should have been.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Except it was a civilian waking up in intensive care who apparently identified the terrorist that allowed the authorities to narrow it down to these 2. And it was a civilian who alerted the authorities to the 2nd guys whereabouts. While the authorities had people in lock down and were searching people homes he was never caught ... only after the lock down and the other non sense ended was he apprehended ... with the aid of civilians.
And not one of those locked down civilians was killed, or kidnapped, or caught in a crossfire. We don't know if the same could be said had people been allowed to wander freely.
You can also suggest people stay indoors, warn people of the dangers and if they choose to venture out and end up getting caught in something ... at least it was their choice. Would not surprise me if the authorities used the incident as a trial run to see how far they could go to abusing civilians rights ... and from what I can see apparently it's ok.
And if their getting caught in something makes the situation worse? If instead of just a terrorist on the loose suddenly there is a terrorist holding hostages somewhere? Or if police officers are killed because they are trying to save someone who wandered out of their house because it was their right to do so?
Friday was not a trial run to see how far they could go in abusing civilian's rights. That is conspiracy theory nonsense. As soon as the guy was apprehended the lock down was lifted. No one's freedoms were taken away nor will they be.
You can also suggest people stay indoors, warn people of the dangers and if they choose to venture out and end up getting caught in something ... at least it was their choice. Would not surprise me if the authorities used the incident as a trial run to see how far they could go to abusing civilians rights ... and from what I can see apparently it's ok.
i think we all agree that its a fine line when they pass or not pass the rights of the civilian for do an operation..isnt easy when the crisis is there..seems to me,that some of you saying,that police showed some power thats wasnt necessary...maybe they did it for thats how the plan works at a man hunt,or they want to show they got this..and he cant escape..or show the rest of the country,we are here to protect you..
i really hope all this was for keep people safe
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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I agree they acted fast and did what they thought was best. Doesn't make what they did right. We have every right to question this after the fact and learn what mistakes were made.
good points
rules of engagement .trained people.,..there are specific ways to search,secure area,keep safe public,atttack,disarm,arrest..is all a plan..there are policeman,military for trained every day for do this 2-3 times in their lifes..
they know better..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I don't disagree, but I do think there is a faction that was going to criticize whatever was done. They don't have much credibility in my eyes.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
at you city?at your area??at your block??
to see open roads,no policeman at your street?or special forces block the road and ready to act to catch the fugitive?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Absolutely shameful.
Let the poor girl be buried and mourned and celebrated in peace.
Yes, I am borderline in that category. Past dealings with the police and having my rights trampled on have made me that way.
I watched and listened to that whole day going down and thought what the police were doing was reasonable and justified. But as stories came out later and upon further reflection I changed my mind. It worried me, and our acceptance of it worries me even more. There needs to be a push-back and criticism of this kind of use of force.
why would you expect anything less?
seriously, I hope there is a god, because when these morons go in front of him to be judged they will then realize what a waste their lives were and I hope that he lets me sit in and watch their spirit faces go all wide eyed when the trap door opens...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Well said, mikepegg. The actions of these people is sickening and disgusting. How on earth do people become so twisted and vile and self-righteous? Utterly shameful.
wanna be a celebrated terrorist? bomb these fucks.
disclaimer, i don't condone violence, nor am i suggesting anyone really do this.
I hope that they, like some of the others who've escaped that madness, will eventually see how utterly fucked up their mindset and actions have been. I'd also not have a problem with retribution.
(I also hope to hell they don't pull this at the funerals for the other young lady and the little girl)
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Earlier, some 200 members of Teamsters Local 25 began gathering at St. Joseph’s Church before 8 a.m. today, promising to block protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church if they followed through on a threat to picket the funeral.
Sean O’Brien, president and principal officer of Teamster’s local, said the community reached out to the Teamsters yesterday “because they know how influential we are.”
“It’s the right thing to do,” O’Brien said of the decision to protect the funeral. “The family deserves a peaceful grieving process that’s free from any coward-led group.”
O’Brien said the Teamsters mobilized their members and other unions through Twitter and Facebook yesterday. He added that about 350 Teamsters are expected this morning, “and we can get 1,000 if we need them.”
The Kansas church is a fringe religious organization whose members stage protests at high-profile funeral services to draw attention to their views. No church members were visible as of late morning.
While the blocking of possible protests was organized by the Teamsters, it drew many people without union ties.
Derek Lofstrom, 33, of Winchester said he learned protesters would possibly be at the funeral on Sunday night through his Facebook feed, and immediately decided he would help block them. He climbed a tree in a yard across from the church to help hang a large American flag Monday.
“I felt it was kind of my civic duty to come out,” he said. “There’s no way in hell I wasn’t going to.”
Mary Mackey, 25, and Charlie Sanphy, 27, drove from Nahant to join the crowd in Medford, not because they’re in a union, but to object to the protesters. “They shouldn’t be protesting funerals,” Mackey said of the Westboro Baptist Church. “I’m here to stand up to them. I don’t like people who spew hate. I’m also here to support this family.”
Gary Lewis, 56, of Reading, stood at the corner of High Street and Boynton Road Monday morning, wearing his leather jacket with a US Marine Corps insignia on the back.
“I want this family to have some peace and mourn without putting up with the [protesters],” he said. “I hope try get the respect they deserve.”
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
They released a statement that these attacks were the fault of gay marriage supporters.
They would be funny if they were not so disgusting.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I second it. Well put
A Socialist Act of Treason.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Because they are some very disturbed people. This shits uncalled for and unreal. Let the family have there time to say good bye. Maybe people should start protesting these fucks and show up at there church. How far is Chadwick from these fuckers? I'm sure he can put a scare into them. :evil:
I made these exact same points pages ago,and they were all ignored by the "critics". because there's nothing to refute here.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
i think i read enough..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Except it was a civilian waking up in intensive care who apparently identified the terrorist that allowed the authorities to narrow it down to these 2. And it was a civilian who alerted the authorities to the 2nd guys whereabouts. While the authorities had people in lock down and were searching people homes he was never caught ... only after the lock down and the other non sense ended was he apprehended ... with the aid of civilians.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
And not one of those locked down civilians was killed, or held hostage, or used as a human shield, or caught in a crossfire. We don't know if the same could be said had people been allowed to wander freely.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
as most of you probably know, I normally am all about protecting people's rights over police state tactics.
In this case, and in most cases while trying to effect an arrest police can operate within guidelines of probable cause. Searching homes in a pre-defined area where a suspect is hiding is justifiable in this case because they have reasonably calculated the size and scope of the area, set up perimeters and began their search.
Not letting people leave their homes is a mistake the police made. Searching all vehicles leaving the area where the road blocks/perimeters have been set up would have sufficed. People milling about on the street could have been arrested for interfering with a police investigation, however I don't believe the charges would have stuck. Telling someone to stay in their home is all fine and good, but when you physically restrain someone you aren't looking for you could be seen as crossing over the line.
Again police work and reasonable searches are conducted daily without trampling on rights, manhunts are as well. The key word is reasonable. I believe the cops here could show they had probable cause to enter the homes. They didn't do it to all homes in the boston area, just where they believed the suspect was located
As far as the picture goes, when you don't know what is happening, or how many people may be working together, or where they may be located specifically, it wouldn't surprise me that a figure in a window with a mechanical device would have a gun pointed at them by law enforcement. The still photo is disturbing no doubt, but I question how long the gun was pointed.
I think in some cases here the boston police dept acted within the scope of people's rights and I am positive they also made mistakes. Maybe it will wake people up to what things like NDAA and the patriot act actually allow...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
You can also suggest people stay indoors, warn people of the dangers and if they choose to venture out and end up getting caught in something ... at least it was their choice. Would not surprise me if the authorities used the incident as a trial run to see how far they could go to abusing civilians rights ... and from what I can see apparently it's ok.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
BREAKING: White House says surviving suspect in Boston bombings will not be tried as an enemy combatant.
Good to see
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i think they did it ,if they did it for the good of the rest of the people for arrest the suspect asap/..
i dont think the whole operation made for take rights from people but for keep people safe...
atleast this i wish that happened
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Hmmm... interesting. So... whatever he may have told the authorities whilst being 'interrogated' will be null and void since he hadn't been read his miranda rights???
I agree. I have zero problem with the lockdown of Watertown, and clearing out some of Cambridge.
They were just about certain that the guy was in Watertown, and having that area locked down and searched made sense for everyone. The fact that he was found one block outside their perimeter backed that up further.
And clearing out Cambridge made sense, as they knew that these two had more explosives during the car chase that night, and who knows what they left where they lived. It could have been a terrible dangerous area.
I also get cracking down security at points of exit (airports, trains, busses, highways, etc). I just don't agree with locking down other areas of the city. That was well above and beyond the scope of what the manhunt should have been.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
And if their getting caught in something makes the situation worse? If instead of just a terrorist on the loose suddenly there is a terrorist holding hostages somewhere? Or if police officers are killed because they are trying to save someone who wandered out of their house because it was their right to do so?
Friday was not a trial run to see how far they could go in abusing civilian's rights. That is conspiracy theory nonsense. As soon as the guy was apprehended the lock down was lifted. No one's freedoms were taken away nor will they be.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
i really hope all this was for keep people safe
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”