With pitbulls is nature and not nurture? Is it the breed that is aggressive or a result of the things that have been done to many of them? I have never been sure and hear conflicting things. But anyone who has a pitbull needs to be aware of the potential danger.
That is awful about your son. He should have the right to be and feel safe playing in your yard. A friend of a friend rescues rottweilers. I give him all the credit in the world but many of these dogs have been trained to be aggressive. Some are alphas and just incredibly violent. One got loose and killed a neighbors cat, another is a ticking time bomb. He has a hard time admitting that there are some dogs that just cannot be saved. But his neighbors should be able to let their children play in the neighborhood without the worry that a supposedly domestic dog is going to break through a fence and attack.
Here's the thing though. One generally buys a dog for companionship- a pet. Why buy something that places you at ill ease? Why hold your breath every time a child attempts to approach your dog when you are out with it? Why get a dog that everybody crosses the street to avoid everytime they near you? Why not get a dog that you can be proud of and enjoy without wondering or worrying... deep down in your heart and mind... if it will ever maul someone?
There are tons of excellent breeds of domesticated dogs that one can proudly display. The dude (not your friend by the way... just a random reference) with the big tough rottweiler- collared in spikes and musculature designed to assault things- is not a great choice in my opionion. Prisons and jails are perfect places for such animals. The neighbourhood streets are not.
Just as AR15s have a place in the military, but not in my neighbour's truck. A retort for those attempting to draw parallels between dog ownership and gun ownership. Keep that dribble from this thread please.
As I added and I won't help turn this subject to a gun debate in honor of a child and 7 dogs lost.
The banning of pit bulls is the first response of the ignorant. Education in both dog
and gun ownership is the way to go. For the health and welfare of the dog a limit as to how many
owned in the same space.
Criminals, those who do not follow the laws we have, is where our energy belongs.
Harsher penalties for both gun and dog owners who break the law.
Oh. Well, slap me silly. I'm ignorant.
Dang. Well... guess I'll go get myself a rusty pick up, throw a dog in the back, grab my AR15, and head on out to the forest where I can shoot the empty beer cans once I'm done drinking them. This should make me much smarter in your eyes!
huh? :?
Do you want to ban Pit Bulls is that what you are saying? Or are you just insulting Pit Bull owners
in the South? I had no idea that was what your thread was getting at, the banning of a breed of dog.
wait, so a kid gets killed for a pitbull and now everyone wants to regulate dog ownership, while another 10 people got murdered by a gun last night and nobody wants to do anything about that...
:fp:
edit: deleted. nevermind. i'm not taking the bait.
As I added and I won't help turn this subject to a gun debate in honor of a child and 7 dogs lost.
The banning of pit bulls is the first response of the ignorant. Education in both dog
and gun ownership is the way to go. For the health and welfare of the dog a limit as to how many
owned in the same space.
Criminals, those who do not follow the laws we have, is where our energy belongs.
Harsher penalties for both gun and dog owners who break the law.
Oh. Well, slap me silly. I'm ignorant.
Dang. Well... guess I'll go get myself a rusty pick up, throw a dog in the back, grab my AR15, and head on out to the forest where I can shoot the empty beer cans once I'm done drinking them. This should make me much smarter in your eyes!
huh? :?
Do you want to ban Pit Bulls is that what you are saying? Or are you just insulting Pit Bull owners
in the South? I had no idea that was what your thread was getting at, the banning of a breed of dog.
You said that anyone suggesting the banning of a breed of dog is ignorant. As I had suggested so... I was trying to redeem myself in your eyes.
I was just trying to illustrate a version of me that, from all you write, would give me more credibility with you. I forgot to add in that I would spray paint 'Jesus Saves' on the side of my truck.
My son was attacked by a neighbour's German Shephard dog. I think owners of dogs that attack people should face consequences as if they perpetrated the attack themselves- in this case... murder.
Period.
Isn't this explanatory for what the thread is about?
wait, so a kid gets killed for a pitbull and now everyone wants to regulate dog ownership, while another 10 people got murdered by a gun last night and nobody wants to do anything about that...
:fp:
Thank you. What a fucking joke this country has become.
I'm not just saying that because I own a Pitty either. I've seen all kinds of dogs get overly aggressive.
9 out of 10 times it's because they have shitty owners that don't care enough to train them.
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
and i couldn't see my Harper
>
fucking with one of my GF's kids, BUT if someone tried fucking with one of the kids, Haprer would probably
be all ovar their ass in seconds.
With that being said, I had two Black Labs that i could probably say the same about had they ever been
around kids. They do become very protective.
I love the protective nature of dogs. One of the things that draws me most to them. But, that protective nature is also how attacks sometimes. Two kids are playing, one a little bigger, the dog incorrectly reads a threat. Happens a lot.
My dog is a Lab (see my avatar) and he reacts to the TV only when a baby cries. He ignores it until a baby starts crying and then runs over on alert. What are you doing to that baby? Why is that baby crying? Total instinct on display.
huh? :?
Do you want to ban Pit Bulls is that what you are saying? Or are you just insulting Pit Bull owners
in the South? I had no idea that was what your thread was getting at, the banning of a breed of dog.
You said that anyone suggesting the banning of a breed of dog is ignorant. As I had suggested so... I was trying to redeem myself in your eyes.
I was just trying to illustrate a version of me that, from all you write, would give me more credibility with you. I forgot to add in that I would spray paint 'Jesus Saves' on the side of my truck.
Now can you hear me?
I didn't know you were suggesting banning a breed.
I thought you were suggesting the owners in the story be strongly punished
which I agree with and stated.
You are aware I am not a Christian or is that a PJ reference?
I get your jest, though it is unnecessary, I hear you quite well.
I also see your brush stroke.
My son was attacked by a neighbour's German Shephard dog. I think owners of dogs that attack people should face consequences as if they perpetrated the attack themselves- in this case... murder.
Period.
Isn't this explanatory for what the thread is about?
How can you misread this?
I have to say if this is your entire idea of this thread...
why the heck would you be arguing with me who totally agrees with you on this?
In most of what I have read everyone agrees. It is the owners negligence
and the dogs are not to blame.
We have provinces with pitbull bans. I support them. I have known a few good pitbulls, but there are way too many bad ones. Further... every pitbull is potentially a bad pitbull waiting to happen. "Oh my goodness... he's never done anything like this before!" doesn't cut it. The breed has done much before. I'm also for a ban on other breeds as well.
If you replace the word "pitbull" with "black people" you might understand how you are coming across here.
I've never in my life known a bad dog, pitty or not.
I've known quite a few people that shouldn't own dogs though.
I had always said I wouldn't own a Pitbull just because of this. After my Black Labs died, it took me a couple of years to be able to even think about getting another dog again.
I now own a Pitbull, because it just fell into my lap in a rescue situation. Really, she crawled right up into my
lap and went to sleep in the first hour of knowing her. As i sat there talking to the current owner, i found out
she was a rescue and needed a home. She went home with me that night.
This horrible story has little to do with it being 9 pitbulls, and more to do with 9 obviously unsupervised dogs being in the same place as an obviously unsupervised child.
9 unsupervised poodles could kill an unsupervised child.
That's the real story here.
With that being said, I do understand and respect your point of view, and am very sorry you had the experience you had, and very glad to hear your son is doing well.
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Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
and i couldn't see my Harper
>
fucking with one of my GF's kids, BUT if someone tried fucking with one of the kids, Haprer would probably
be all ovar their ass in seconds.
With that being said, I had two Black Labs that i could probably say the same about had they ever been
around kids. They do become very protective.
I love the protective nature of dogs. One of the things that draws me most to them. But, that protective nature is also how attacks sometimes. Two kids are playing, one a little bigger, the dog incorrectly reads a threat. Happens a lot.
My dog is a Lab (see my avatar) and he reacts to the TV only when a baby cries. He ignores it until a baby starts crying and then runs over on alert. What are you doing to that baby? Why is that baby crying? Total instinct on display.
I very much agree with you. When the kids have their friends over, If myslef or the GF are not in the room with them, neither is the dog.
Also when outside she is on a very short leash. But is that because she is a Pitbull, could this not be said about most breeds?
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
I was prejudice against pit bulls, now I have loved many.
They are so loving, loyal, funny, smart...
so smart but mostly just very in tuned to their people.
My story is similar to Wolf's. Miss Lucy Lew came to me at a time I was injured
and I had never known a dog so watchful of me, supportive and enjoyed being needed.
She was a stray who had had a tough time.
Being a dog lover I see personalities in them like a humans. Each with their own character,
needs. Traits to give. Pits need a purpose. Dogs like humans do not do well being ignored.
Like us they learn right from wrong and like us they want to please. And like us they
are individuals.
I was prejudice against pit bulls, now I have loved many.
They are so loving, loyal, funny, smart...
so smart but mostly just very in tuned to their people.
My story is similar to Wolf's. Miss Lucy Lew came to me at a time I was injured
and I had never known a dog so watchful of me, supportive and enjoyed being needed.
She was a stray who had had a tough time.
Being a dog lover I see personalities in them like a humans. Each with their own character,
needs. Traits to give. Pits need a purpose. Dogs like humans do not do well being ignored.
Like us they learn right from wrong and like us they want to please. And like us they
are individuals.
I would now argue that Pits are one of the best breeds to own, IF you are willing to put the time in
to train them.
My pup has been to the Vet 5 times in the last two weeks and has had two operations on her left eye. (she was born with a cherry eye).
Every time i take her in there every one of the Docs, and assistants stop what they are doing and come over to her.
As much as i loved my former babbies, they never did that with them.
I doubt these trained professionals would be like that with a breed of dog that is "mostly bad".
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
and i couldn't see my Harper
>
fucking with one of my GF's kids, BUT if someone tried fucking with one of the kids, Haprer would probably
be all ovar their ass in seconds.
With that being said, I had two Black Labs that i could probably say the same about had they ever been
around kids. They do become very protective.
I love the protective nature of dogs. One of the things that draws me most to them. But, that protective nature is also how attacks sometimes. Two kids are playing, one a little bigger, the dog incorrectly reads a threat. Happens a lot.
My dog is a Lab (see my avatar) and he reacts to the TV only when a baby cries. He ignores it until a baby starts crying and then runs over on alert. What are you doing to that baby? Why is that baby crying? Total instinct on display.
I very much agree with you. When the kids have their friends over, If myslef or the GF are not in the room with them, neither is the dog.
Also when outside she is on a very short leash. But is that because she is a Pitbull, could this not be said about most breeds?
Absolutely. This time it was pitbulls. The next time it could be something else. Read an awful story about a great dane a week or so ago. It happens.
idiots those people. if you have a pack of pitbulls you do not raise small children. only a fool would have both at the same time. well now this shows what can happen when pits go into a full on frenzy attacking a small child whom is innocent as it gets. pitbull owners like these people are basically brainless.
when my brothers started having kids me & dad got rid of our snakes & bigger lizards. we had a reptile zoo like going on. no more snakes & no more monitors.
actually raising dogs & kids at the same time is a gamble. and if you have a badass dog it is very much a huge gamble & the kids will lose
I was prejudice against pit bulls, now I have loved many.
They are so loving, loyal, funny, smart...
so smart but mostly just very in tuned to their people.
My story is similar to Wolf's. Miss Lucy Lew came to me at a time I was injured
and I had never known a dog so watchful of me, supportive and enjoyed being needed.
She was a stray who had had a tough time.
Being a dog lover I see personalities in them like a humans. Each with their own character,
needs. Traits to give. Pits need a purpose. Dogs like humans do not do well being ignored.
Like us they learn right from wrong and like us they want to please. And like us they
are individuals.
I would now argue that Pits are one of the best breeds to own, IF you are willing to put the time in
to train them.
My pup has been to the Vet 5 times in the last two weeks and has had two operations on her left eye. (she was born with a cherry eye).
Every time i take her in there every one of the Docs, and assistants stop what they are doing and come over to her.
As much as i loved my former babbies, they never did that with them.
I doubt these trained professionals would be like that with a breed of dog that is "mostly bad".
Oh bless her little heart...she's simply beautiful Wolf. You both have a new lease on love and life.
This is wonderful news after your losses.
I cringe when I hear stories like this for the obvious reasons but also for the ridiculous bad rap
some will give the breed. Our vet, regarding mixed pits, have been excluding
the pit part of the breed in the records. This because of the prejudice and bans in place.
So Lucy is not listed as a Shep-Pit but an Akita mix. But she's more like a Palomino horse to me,
my great big beautiful girl!
I was prejudice against pit bulls, now I have loved many.
They are so loving, loyal, funny, smart...
so smart but mostly just very in tuned to their people.
My story is similar to Wolf's. Miss Lucy Lew came to me at a time I was injured
and I had never known a dog so watchful of me, supportive and enjoyed being needed.
She was a stray who had had a tough time.
Being a dog lover I see personalities in them like a humans. Each with their own character,
needs. Traits to give. Pits need a purpose. Dogs like humans do not do well being ignored.
Like us they learn right from wrong and like us they want to please. And like us they
are individuals.
I would now argue that Pits are one of the best breeds to own, IF you are willing to put the time in
to train them.
My pup has been to the Vet 5 times in the last two weeks and has had two operations on her left eye. (she was born with a cherry eye).
Every time i take her in there every one of the Docs, and assistants stop what they are doing and come over to her.
As much as i loved my former babbies, they never did that with them.
I doubt these trained professionals would be like that with a breed of dog that is "mostly bad".
Oh bless her little heart...she's simply beautiful Wolf. You both have a new lease on love and life.
This is wonderful news after your losses.
I cringe when I hear stories like this for the obvious reasons but also for the ridiculous bad rap
some will give the breed. Our vet, regarding mixed pits, have been excluding
the pit part of the breed in the records. This because of the prejudice and bans in place.
So Lucy is not listed as a Shep-Pit but an Akita mix. But she's more like a Palomino horse to me,
my great big beautiful girl!
Our vet has her listed as a "boxer mix", so i can have the records if i need to move some place that won't allow "aggressive breeds".
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
I would now argue that Pits are one of the best breeds to own, IF you are willing to put the time in
to train them.
My pup has been to the Vet 5 times in the last two weeks and has had two operations on her left eye. (she was born with a cherry eye).
Every time i take her in there every one of the Docs, and assistants stop what they are doing and come over to her.
As much as i loved my former babbies, they never did that with them.
I doubt these trained professionals would be like that with a breed of dog that is "mostly bad".
Oh bless her little heart...she's simply beautiful Wolf. You both have a new lease on love and life.
This is wonderful news after your losses.
I cringe when I hear stories like this for the obvious reasons but also for the ridiculous bad rap
some will give the breed. Our vet, regarding mixed pits, have been excluding
the pit part of the breed in the records. This because of the prejudice and bans in place.
So Lucy is not listed as a Shep-Pit but an Akita mix. But she's more like a Palomino horse to me,
my great big beautiful girl!
Our vet has her listed as a "boxer mix", so i can have the records if i need to move some place that won't allow "aggressive breeds".
my daughter has a boxit too... named Faith. She is having a bad tooth pulled today :(
she is getting older ... we do not have dogs long enough but they teach so much.
people like michael vick are the reason why pitbulls have a bad reputation...
He should still be rotting in prison.
i agree. i read a few weeks ago that he is allowed to own a dog again. recently people protested his pubic appearances and threatened him, resulting in the string of appearances being canceled.
small price to pay for being a monster i guess.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
pits straight up scare me when i see them & they have charged at me & i have barelly excaped & only & only a pitbull has ever been crazy towards me. i do not have the time of day for a bullshit pitbull.
i've often stated i would have blew a hole into their nasty ass heads if i had a gun on me.
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Here's the thing though. One generally buys a dog for companionship- a pet. Why buy something that places you at ill ease? Why hold your breath every time a child attempts to approach your dog when you are out with it? Why get a dog that everybody crosses the street to avoid everytime they near you? Why not get a dog that you can be proud of and enjoy without wondering or worrying... deep down in your heart and mind... if it will ever maul someone?
There are tons of excellent breeds of domesticated dogs that one can proudly display. The dude (not your friend by the way... just a random reference) with the big tough rottweiler- collared in spikes and musculature designed to assault things- is not a great choice in my opionion. Prisons and jails are perfect places for such animals. The neighbourhood streets are not.
Just as AR15s have a place in the military, but not in my neighbour's truck. A retort for those attempting to draw parallels between dog ownership and gun ownership. Keep that dribble from this thread please.
Do you want to ban Pit Bulls is that what you are saying? Or are you just insulting Pit Bull owners
in the South? I had no idea that was what your thread was getting at, the banning of a breed of dog.
You said that anyone suggesting the banning of a breed of dog is ignorant. As I had suggested so... I was trying to redeem myself in your eyes.
I was just trying to illustrate a version of me that, from all you write, would give me more credibility with you. I forgot to add in that I would spray paint 'Jesus Saves' on the side of my truck.
Now can you hear me?
Isn't this explanatory for what the thread is about?
How can you misread this?
Thank you. What a fucking joke this country has become.
I'm not just saying that because I own a Pitty either. I've seen all kinds of dogs get overly aggressive.
9 out of 10 times it's because they have shitty owners that don't care enough to train them.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
I love the protective nature of dogs. One of the things that draws me most to them. But, that protective nature is also how attacks sometimes. Two kids are playing, one a little bigger, the dog incorrectly reads a threat. Happens a lot.
My dog is a Lab (see my avatar) and he reacts to the TV only when a baby cries. He ignores it until a baby starts crying and then runs over on alert. What are you doing to that baby? Why is that baby crying? Total instinct on display.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I thought you were suggesting the owners in the story be strongly punished
which I agree with and stated.
You are aware I am not a Christian or is that a PJ reference?
I get your jest, though it is unnecessary, I hear you quite well.
I also see your brush stroke.
why the heck would you be arguing with me who totally agrees with you on this?
In most of what I have read everyone agrees. It is the owners negligence
and the dogs are not to blame.
If you replace the word "pitbull" with "black people" you might understand how you are coming across here.
I've never in my life known a bad dog, pitty or not.
I've known quite a few people that shouldn't own dogs though.
I had always said I wouldn't own a Pitbull just because of this. After my Black Labs died, it took me a couple of years to be able to even think about getting another dog again.
I now own a Pitbull, because it just fell into my lap in a rescue situation. Really, she crawled right up into my
lap and went to sleep in the first hour of knowing her. As i sat there talking to the current owner, i found out
she was a rescue and needed a home. She went home with me that night.
This horrible story has little to do with it being 9 pitbulls, and more to do with 9 obviously unsupervised dogs being in the same place as an obviously unsupervised child.
9 unsupervised poodles could kill an unsupervised child.
That's the real story here.
With that being said, I do understand and respect your point of view, and am very sorry you had the experience you had, and very glad to hear your son is doing well.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
I very much agree with you. When the kids have their friends over, If myslef or the GF are not in the room with them, neither is the dog.
Also when outside she is on a very short leash. But is that because she is a Pitbull, could this not be said about most breeds?
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
They are so loving, loyal, funny, smart...
so smart but mostly just very in tuned to their people.
My story is similar to Wolf's. Miss Lucy Lew came to me at a time I was injured
and I had never known a dog so watchful of me, supportive and enjoyed being needed.
She was a stray who had had a tough time.
Being a dog lover I see personalities in them like a humans. Each with their own character,
needs. Traits to give. Pits need a purpose. Dogs like humans do not do well being ignored.
Like us they learn right from wrong and like us they want to please. And like us they
are individuals.
this dude SUCKS!!
i am all for banning his music...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I would now argue that Pits are one of the best breeds to own, IF you are willing to put the time in
to train them.
My pup has been to the Vet 5 times in the last two weeks and has had two operations on her left eye. (she was born with a cherry eye).
Every time i take her in there every one of the Docs, and assistants stop what they are doing and come over to her.
As much as i loved my former babbies, they never did that with them.
I doubt these trained professionals would be like that with a breed of dog that is "mostly bad".
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Absolutely. This time it was pitbulls. The next time it could be something else. Read an awful story about a great dane a week or so ago. It happens.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
That thing has made me bleed a few times. Little fucker.
Then again, the owner should never own a dog. My girl pretty much has taken over caring for the dog now.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
when my brothers started having kids me & dad got rid of our snakes & bigger lizards. we had a reptile zoo like going on. no more snakes & no more monitors.
actually raising dogs & kids at the same time is a gamble. and if you have a badass dog it is very much a huge gamble & the kids will lose
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
This is wonderful news after your losses.
I cringe when I hear stories like this for the obvious reasons but also for the ridiculous bad rap
some will give the breed. Our vet, regarding mixed pits, have been excluding
the pit part of the breed in the records. This because of the prejudice and bans in place.
So Lucy is not listed as a Shep-Pit but an Akita mix. But she's more like a Palomino horse to me,
my great big beautiful girl!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/2 ... 45497.html
Our vet has her listed as a "boxer mix", so i can have the records if i need to move some place that won't allow "aggressive breeds".
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
No. it was Petey:
she is getting older ... we do not have dogs long enough but they teach so much.
Right after I posted the last post, the GF emailed me saying that "Your baby girl chewed a giant hole in the couch today".
She just got a cone off of her head after wearing it for 2 weeks, what does she expect?!?!?
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
He should still be rotting in prison.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
who is turning 20 years old. That bird much meaner than she could ever be!
thanks for posting
small price to pay for being a monster i guess.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i've often stated i would have blew a hole into their nasty ass heads if i had a gun on me.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce