Family Pit Bulls Kill Child

JimmyV

I didn't click on this right away because I knew it would upset me...

...and then I did and it did...

...but then I read that they had nine fucking pitbulls in the backyard?!?! NINE? Sweet Jesus. Maybe they were all rescues and dogs like that need homes too but you cannot have nine of them and a toddler in the house.

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

wait, so a kid gets killed for a pitbull and now everyone wants to regulate dog ownership, while another 10 people got murdered by a gun last night and nobody wants to do anything about that...

:fp:

Actually I was suggesting common sense people laws pertaining to dogs.
Just as guns dogs are not the problem.

Want to add ...funny that is how it has gone ... trying to ban pit bulls :fp:

gimmesometruth27

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

wait, so a kid gets killed for a pitbull and now everyone wants to regulate dog ownership, while another 10 people got murdered by a gun last night and nobody wants to do anything about that...

:fp:

Actually I was suggesting common sense people laws pertaining to dogs.
Just as guns dogs are not the problem.

but we can't implement "common sense" gun laws now can we?

90% of GUN OWNERS favor background checks, yet we can't even get that passed...

but dogs? legislate away...

IrishGuy

john roach wrote:

A dog is a wild animal , no matter the breed,

A dog is not a wild animal. Its a domesticated animal.

JimmyV

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

My son was attacked by a neighbour's German Shephard dog. I think owners of dogs that attack people should face consequences as if they perpetrated the attack themselves- in this case... murder.

Period.

Take out the "period" part and I agree but it is not so cut and dry.

I do hope your son is OK today -- let me stress that.

I think owners of violent dogs who do not control them and allow situations to arise where they can harm people should face consequences. But, parents also need to control their children and teach them not to approach dogs that they do not know. Children need to learn not to play rough with any animal. A dog that defends itself without any witnesses around would quickly be labeled a violent dog regardless of what was done to provoke it.

I had a strange encounter a few years ago where a middle-aged woman (who I believe may have been mentally unbalanced in some way) approached me and my dog Ben on the sidewalk. He was sniffing around and did not even notice her at first, but she veered closer and closer to him as she approached. When she was along side him she immediately began to act as if she was under duress. I was quite confused by what was happening and as I asked "Are you OK?" she bumped him with her hip. He turned around, noticed her for the first time, and leaned in to give her a good hello sniff. At this point she screamed "Control your dog! Control your dog!" And when she screamed, he became startled.

Now, my dog is my child. I am protective of him and probably overly defensive when someone offers criticism or advice about him. But in this instance he did absolutely nothing wrong. I pulled on his leash, held him back, shouted "YOU DID THIS!" at the nutjob and we moved on. I don't know what her problem was or what she was trying to do, but I do know that she was trying to create some sort of situation with my dog. That is why I say that these tragedies are not always black and white, and that the animals are not always at fault.

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

wait, so a kid gets killed for a pitbull and now everyone wants to regulate dog ownership, while another 10 people got murdered by a gun last night and nobody wants to do anything about that...

:fp:

Actually I was suggesting common sense people laws pertaining to dogs.
Just as guns dogs are not the problem.

but we can't implement "common sense" gun laws now can we?

90% of GUN OWNERS favor background checks, yet we can't even get that passed...

but dogs? legislate away...

As I added and I won't help turn this subject to a gun debate in honor of a child and 7 dogs lost.
The banning of pit bulls is the first response of the ignorant. Education in both dog
and gun ownership is the way to go. For the health and welfare of the dog a limit as to how many
owned in the same space.
Criminals, those who do not follow the laws we have, is where our energy belongs.
Harsher penalties for both gun and dog owners who break the law.

hedonist

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Ok... I've been dying to say this and I just wrapped a very grueling shoot today and downed three martinis at the wrap party.

So.

"And they say that gay parents would be shitty? Cuz I don't know a single gay who can't handle a dog and those lesbians RULE the dog park. You want a well-behaved dog? Let the gays take him/her for a week."

Given the quotation marks, I'm not sure if those are the words of others or yours. But still...sheesh, man. I get that you were martini'd, but how does that even figure in this? How does being gay or not affect being a responsible dog owner?

As to the story itself, people need to use COMMON SENSE. Coulda been a Pit, coulda been a Shepherd, coulda been a Chow. Even our cats, whom we trust, love and treat ridiculously well, still pounce on our ankles out of the blue.

They're animals and as such, can be unpredictable.

(much like us)

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JimmyV wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

My son was attacked by a neighbour's German Shephard dog. I think owners of dogs that attack people should face consequences as if they perpetrated the attack themselves- in this case... murder.

Period.

Take out the "period" part and I agree but it is not so cut and dry.

I do hope your son is OK today -- let me stress that.

I think owners of violent dogs who do not control them and allow situations to arise where they can harm people should face consequences. But, parents also need to control their children and teach them not to approach dogs that they do not know. Children need to learn not to play rough with any animal. A dog that defends itself without any witnesses around would quickly be labeled a violent dog regardless of what was done to provoke it.

Right off the top... I'd grant you 'exceptions'. Of course.

The dog that attacked my child broke free from his leash, ran across two yards and mauled my kid. This happened a few years ago. He's fine, but trust for dogs is hard to come by. The dog had a history that we didn't know about- a few weeks earlier it had ran out of his yard and attacked a pregnanat woman going for a walk. It should have been death right there. We insisted the dog be put down or we were pressing charges- it was put down.

We have an epidemic of bad dog owners owning pets they should not have. We need laws that insist on responsible ownership... not weak excuse after weak excuse with little or no consequences for negligent ownership. This isn't the first case such as this and it won't be the last.

We have provinces with pitbull bans. I support them. I have known a few good pitbulls, but there are way too many bad ones. Further... every pitbull is potentially a bad pitbull waiting to happen. "Oh my goodness... he's never done anything like this before!" doesn't cut it. The breed has done much before. I'm also for a ban on other breeds as well.

I mean for gawds sakes... if a person can have a pitbull... then they cannot argue against exotic pets such as lions, chimpanzees, and cougars. Imagine living next door to a cougar? Imagine living next door to an idiot with 9 pitbulls braying away? When does common sense come into play? Some people are incapable of exercising their freedoms without infringing on other people's freedoms. Because of these people... we need laws that restrict the abuse of the 'normal people's' rights.

JimmyV

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

My son was attacked by a neighbour's German Shephard dog. I think owners of dogs that attack people should face consequences as if they perpetrated the attack themselves- in this case... murder.

Period.

Take out the "period" part and I agree but it is not so cut and dry.

I do hope your son is OK today -- let me stress that.

I think owners of violent dogs who do not control them and allow situations to arise where they can harm people should face consequences. But, parents also need to control their children and teach them not to approach dogs that they do not know. Children need to learn not to play rough with any animal. A dog that defends itself without any witnesses around would quickly be labeled a violent dog regardless of what was done to provoke it.

Right off the top... I'd grant you 'exceptions'. Of course.

The dog that attacked my child broke free from his leash, ran across two yards and mauled my kid. This happened a few years ago. He's fine, but trust for dogs is hard to come by. The dog had a history that we didn't know about- a few weeks earlier it had ran out of his yard and attacked a pregnanat woman going for a walk. It should have been death right there. We insisted the dog be put down or we were pressing charges- it was put down.

We have an epidemic of bad dog owners owning pets they should not have. We need laws that insist on responsible ownership... not weak excuse after weak excuse with little or no consequences for negligent ownership. This isn't the first case such as this and it won't be the last.

We have provinces with pitbull bans. I support them. I have known a few good pitbulls, but there are way too many bad ones. Further... every pitbull is potentially a bad pitbull waiting to happen. "Oh my goodness... he's never done anything like this before!" doesn't cut it. The breed has done much before. I'm also for a ban on other breeds as well.

I mean for gawds sakes... if a person can have a pitbull... then they cannot argue against exotic pets such as lions, chimpanzees, and cougars. Imagine living next door to a cougar? Imagine living next door to an idiot with 9 pitbulls braying away? When does common sense come into play? Some people are incapable of exercising their freedoms without infringing on other people's freedoms. Because of these people... we need laws that restrict the abuse of the 'normal people's' rights.

Agreed, there should be regulations.

With pitbulls is nature and not nurture? Is it the breed that is aggressive or a result of the things that have been done to many of them? I have never been sure and hear conflicting things. But anyone who has a pitbull needs to be aware of the potential danger.

That is awful about your son. He should have the right to be and feel safe playing in your yard. A friend of a friend rescues rottweilers. I give him all the credit in the world but many of these dogs have been trained to be aggressive. Some are alphas and just incredibly violent. One got loose and killed a neighbors cat, another is a ticking time bomb. He has a hard time admitting that there are some dogs that just cannot be saved. But his neighbors should be able to let their children play in the neighborhood without the worry that a supposedly domestic dog is going to break through a fence and attack.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pandora wrote:

As I added and I won't help turn this subject to a gun debate in honor of a child and 7 dogs lost.
The banning of pit bulls is the first response of the ignorant. Education in both dog
and gun ownership is the way to go. For the health and welfare of the dog a limit as to how many
owned in the same space.
Criminals, those who do not follow the laws we have, is where our energy belongs.
Harsher penalties for both gun and dog owners who break the law.

Oh. Well, slap me silly. I'm ignorant.

Dang. Well... guess I'll go get myself a rusty pick up, throw a dog in the back, grab my AR15, and head on out to the forest where I can shoot the empty beer cans once I'm done drinking them. This should make me much smarter in your eyes!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JimmyV wrote:

Agreed, there should be regulations.

With pitbulls is nature and not nurture? Is it the breed that is aggressive or a result of the things that have been done to many of them? I have never been sure and hear conflicting things. But anyone who has a pitbull needs to be aware of the potential danger.

That is awful about your son. He should have the right to be and feel safe playing in your yard. A friend of a friend rescues rottweilers. I give him all the credit in the world but many of these dogs have been trained to be aggressive. Some are alphas and just incredibly violent. One got loose and killed a neighbors cat, another is a ticking time bomb. He has a hard time admitting that there are some dogs that just cannot be saved. But his neighbors should be able to let their children play in the neighborhood without the worry that a supposedly domestic dog is going to break through a fence and attack.

Here's the thing though. One generally buys a dog for companionship- a pet. Why buy something that places you at ill ease? Why hold your breath every time a child attempts to approach your dog when you are out with it? Why get a dog that everybody crosses the street to avoid everytime they near you? Why not get a dog that you can be proud of and enjoy without wondering or worrying... deep down in your heart and mind... if it will ever maul someone?

There are tons of excellent breeds of domesticated dogs that one can proudly display. The dude (not your friend by the way... just a random reference) with the big tough rottweiler- collared in spikes and musculature designed to assault things- is not a great choice in my opionion. Prisons and jails are perfect places for such animals. The neighbourhood streets are not.

Just as AR15s have a place in the military, but not in my neighbour's truck. A retort for those attempting to draw parallels between dog ownership and gun ownership. Keep that dribble from this thread please.

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

As I added and I won't help turn this subject to a gun debate in honor of a child and 7 dogs lost.
The banning of pit bulls is the first response of the ignorant. Education in both dog
and gun ownership is the way to go. For the health and welfare of the dog a limit as to how many
owned in the same space.
Criminals, those who do not follow the laws we have, is where our energy belongs.
Harsher penalties for both gun and dog owners who break the law.

Oh. Well, slap me silly. I'm ignorant.

Dang. Well... guess I'll go get myself a rusty pick up, throw a dog in the back, grab my AR15, and head on out to the forest where I can shoot the empty beer cans once I'm done drinking them. This should make me much smarter in your eyes!

huh? :?
Do you want to ban Pit Bulls is that what you are saying? Or are you just insulting Pit Bull owners
in the South? I had no idea that was what your thread was getting at, the banning of a breed of dog.

MotoDC

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

wait, so a kid gets killed for a pitbull and now everyone wants to regulate dog ownership, while another 10 people got murdered by a gun last night and nobody wants to do anything about that...

:fp:

edit: deleted. nevermind. i'm not taking the bait.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pandora wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

As I added and I won't help turn this subject to a gun debate in honor of a child and 7 dogs lost.
The banning of pit bulls is the first response of the ignorant. Education in both dog
and gun ownership is the way to go. For the health and welfare of the dog a limit as to how many
owned in the same space.
Criminals, those who do not follow the laws we have, is where our energy belongs.
Harsher penalties for both gun and dog owners who break the law.

Oh. Well, slap me silly. I'm ignorant.

Dang. Well... guess I'll go get myself a rusty pick up, throw a dog in the back, grab my AR15, and head on out to the forest where I can shoot the empty beer cans once I'm done drinking them. This should make me much smarter in your eyes!

huh? :?
Do you want to ban Pit Bulls is that what you are saying? Or are you just insulting Pit Bull owners
in the South? I had no idea that was what your thread was getting at, the banning of a breed of dog.

You said that anyone suggesting the banning of a breed of dog is ignorant. As I had suggested so... I was trying to redeem myself in your eyes.

I was just trying to illustrate a version of me that, from all you write, would give me more credibility with you. I forgot to add in that I would spray paint 'Jesus Saves' on the side of my truck.

Now can you hear me?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

My son was attacked by a neighbour's German Shephard dog. I think owners of dogs that attack people should face consequences as if they perpetrated the attack themselves- in this case... murder.

Period.

Isn't this explanatory for what the thread is about?

How can you misread this?

the wolf

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

wait, so a kid gets killed for a pitbull and now everyone wants to regulate dog ownership, while another 10 people got murdered by a gun last night and nobody wants to do anything about that...

:fp:

Thank you. What a fucking joke this country has become.

I'm not just saying that because I own a Pitty either. I've seen all kinds of dogs get overly aggressive.
9 out of 10 times it's because they have shitty owners that don't care enough to train them.

JimmyV

the wolf wrote:

and i couldn't see my Harper

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fucking with one of my GF's kids, BUT if someone tried fucking with one of the kids, Haprer would probably
be all ovar their ass in seconds.

With that being said, I had two Black Labs that i could probably say the same about had they ever been
around kids. They do become very protective.

I love the protective nature of dogs. One of the things that draws me most to them. But, that protective nature is also how attacks sometimes. Two kids are playing, one a little bigger, the dog incorrectly reads a threat. Happens a lot.

My dog is a Lab (see my avatar) and he reacts to the TV only when a baby cries. He ignores it until a baby starts crying and then runs over on alert. What are you doing to that baby? Why is that baby crying? Total instinct on display.

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

huh? :?
Do you want to ban Pit Bulls is that what you are saying? Or are you just insulting Pit Bull owners
in the South? I had no idea that was what your thread was getting at, the banning of a breed of dog.

You said that anyone suggesting the banning of a breed of dog is ignorant. As I had suggested so... I was trying to redeem myself in your eyes.

I was just trying to illustrate a version of me that, from all you write, would give me more credibility with you. I forgot to add in that I would spray paint 'Jesus Saves' on the side of my truck.

Now can you hear me?

I didn't know you were suggesting banning a breed.
I thought you were suggesting the owners in the story be strongly punished
which I agree with and stated.

You are aware I am not a Christian or is that a PJ reference?

I get your jest, though it is unnecessary, I hear you quite well.
I also see your brush stroke.

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

My son was attacked by a neighbour's German Shephard dog. I think owners of dogs that attack people should face consequences as if they perpetrated the attack themselves- in this case... murder.

Period.

Isn't this explanatory for what the thread is about?

How can you misread this?

I have to say if this is your entire idea of this thread...
why the heck would you be arguing with me who totally agrees with you on this?

In most of what I have read everyone agrees. It is the owners negligence
and the dogs are not to blame.

the wolf

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

We have provinces with pitbull bans. I support them. I have known a few good pitbulls, but there are way too many bad ones. Further... every pitbull is potentially a bad pitbull waiting to happen. "Oh my goodness... he's never done anything like this before!" doesn't cut it. The breed has done much before. I'm also for a ban on other breeds as well.

If you replace the word "pitbull" with "black people" you might understand how you are coming across here.
I've never in my life known a bad dog, pitty or not.
I've known quite a few people that shouldn't own dogs though.

I had always said I wouldn't own a Pitbull just because of this. After my Black Labs died, it took me a couple of years to be able to even think about getting another dog again.
I now own a Pitbull, because it just fell into my lap in a rescue situation. Really, she crawled right up into my
lap and went to sleep in the first hour of knowing her. As i sat there talking to the current owner, i found out
she was a rescue and needed a home. She went home with me that night.

This horrible story has little to do with it being 9 pitbulls, and more to do with 9 obviously unsupervised dogs being in the same place as an obviously unsupervised child.
9 unsupervised poodles could kill an unsupervised child.

That's the real story here.

With that being said, I do understand and respect your point of view, and am very sorry you had the experience you had, and very glad to hear your son is doing well.