I don't even know how to reply to this.There was a German Shepard that took a sleeping infant over the back side of the couch that it was on... The parent's couldn't find the baby and had thought somebody had taken it. A German Shepard also bit a chunk of cheek out of my Nephew's face ,when He reached into the food dish to get some food to hand feed the dog. A friend's Shepard mauled a little boy's face,When the dog woke to find the kid next to him.The little Boy would walk by the house every day and shove sticks through the fence at the dog.My friend's were unaware of this.So one day their son invited the little boy over to watch T.V. When the Dog woke up,He attacked the boy. My friend took his dog of many years out back and shot him. It could be any dog that's capable of doing such harm. I just want to understand why so many dog's? Were they fighting dog's? Was it a mill?So many thing's could have been done differently,And that's something that they're going to have to live with for the rest of their lives.Don't want to judge or point finger's,Because they'll be doing enough of that themselves.
I don't even know how to reply to this.There was a German Shepard that took a sleeping infant over the back side of the couch that it was on... The parent's couldn't find the baby and had thought somebody had taken it. A German Shepard also bit a chunk of cheek out of my Nephew's face ,when He reached into the food dish to get some food to hand feed the dog. A friend's Shepard mauled a little boy's face,When the dog woke to find the kid next to him.The little Boy would walk by the house every day and shove sticks through the fence at the dog.My friend's were unaware of this.So one day their son invited the little boy over to watch T.V. When the Dog woke up,He attacked the boy. My friend took his dog of many years out back and shot him. It could be any dog that's capable of doing such harm. I just want to understand why so many dog's? Were they fighting dog's? Was it a mill?So many thing's could have been done differently,And that's something that they're going to have to live with for the rest of their lives.Don't want to judge or point finger's,Because they'll be doing enough of that themselves.
yeah german shepards are very well known for being nasty shits
I don't even know how to reply to this.There was a German Shepard that took a sleeping infant over the back side of the couch that it was on... The parent's couldn't find the baby and had thought somebody had taken it. A German Shepard also bit a chunk of cheek out of my Nephew's face ,when He reached into the food dish to get some food to hand feed the dog. A friend's Shepard mauled a little boy's face,When the dog woke to find the kid next to him.The little Boy would walk by the house every day and shove sticks through the fence at the dog.My friend's were unaware of this.So one day their son invited the little boy over to watch T.V. When the Dog woke up,He attacked the boy. My friend took his dog of many years out back and shot him. It could be any dog that's capable of doing such harm. I just want to understand why so many dog's? Were they fighting dog's? Was it a mill?So many thing's could have been done differently,And that's something that they're going to have to live with for the rest of their lives.Don't want to judge or point finger's,Because they'll be doing enough of that themselves.
What I highlighted is the point people are missing in this thread. It's not just pit bulls, rottweilers or shepards. Dogs bite. They have some kind of natural instinct to attack. I'm tire of the pitbulls getting blamed when ANY dog can and does attack. What's lost is the respect that dogs are not completely tame and that we should be more aware of this and know that they are territorial and prone to attack when their instinct tells them to. They also smell fear, another precaution people and owners need to understand. People need to know this before accidents happen.
First of all children should never be around a dogs food bowl when they are eating
unless this is the person who consistently feeds the dog daily and trust is there.
Second a child should never put their face in the face of dog ... always an arms length
with time for the dog to smell the child's hand. Always adult supervision.
Some dogs some breeds are way cool with kids. Get a good book and find out which.
But even Beagles can be bad with kids. we had one we had to give up...
he was a biter with our small son.
Scotties are known to be not so good with kids but ours was around infants and was fine.
and this is a case where size does not matter. ... sorry had too
I know pit bulls who have children they watch and the yard is full of neighborhood kids.
Dogs are individuals. We are their people and we must be the alpha dog. They learn
what we expect. Parents must teach children and dog owners must teach dogs.
Just get down there and bite them in the neck show them who's boss... Lucy loves that
guaranteed if a beagel comes at me im going to laugh or kick it in the ass & be on my way.
guaranteed if a rat terrior or fox terrier comes at me i will laugh or kick it in the ass & be on my way
guaranteed if a pitbull, rottwieler, or german shepard comes at me i will not laugh & i am in most cases screwed & will be trying to be prepared for the attack & fight.
guaranteed if a lab, collie, or golden retriever comes at me it means they wanna fetch up a stick i am walking with
guaranteed if a lab, collie, or golden retriever comes at me it means they wanna fetch up a stick i am walking with
If you're wearing any kind of uniform, you cannot assume any dog is gonna want to play fetch. If you have any fear towards dogs, they'll know, they wont want to play fetch with you. If you're in his/her territory, that dog may just turn on you when you least expect it.
My friend's up north had hunting Pit's. They would drop the wild boar,and Clarence would shoot it.These Dog's were 135 and 140lbs. And their daughter Lacy would jump on them like they were a trampoline,pull them by their ear's,their tail's,etc... If they had enough,They would get up and walk away. But I'm sure it's allot different when you have a pack of them.
guaranteed if a lab, collie, or golden retriever comes at me it means they wanna fetch up a stick i am walking with
If you're wearing any kind of uniform, you cannot assume any dog is gonna want to play fetch. If you have any fear towards dogs, they'll know, they wont want to play fetch with you. If you're in his/her territory, that dog may just turn on you when you least expect it.
almost all (something like 91% of all) pitbulls should be strung up & fed to great whites
First of all children should never be around a dogs food bowl when they are eating
unless this is the person who consistently feeds the dog daily and trust is there.
Second a child should never put their face in the face of dog ... always an arms length
with time for the dog to smell the child's hand. Always adult supervision.
Some dogs some breeds are way cool with kids. Get a good book and find out which.
But even Beagles can be bad with kids. we had one we had to give up...
he was a biter with our small son.
Scotties are known to be not so good with kids but ours was around infants and was fine.
and this is a case where size does not matter. ... sorry had too
I know pit bulls who have children they watch and the yard is full of neighborhood kids.
Dogs are individuals. We are their people and we must be the alpha dog. They learn
what we expect. Parents must teach children and dog owners must teach dogs.
Just get down there and bite them in the neck show them who's boss... Lucy loves that
I hear you Pandora, Shit happen's! I'm just saying.
guaranteed if a lab, collie, or golden retriever comes at me it means they wanna fetch up a stick i am walking with
If you're wearing any kind of uniform, you cannot assume any dog is gonna want to play fetch. If you have any fear towards dogs, they'll know, they wont want to play fetch with you. If you're in his/her territory, that dog may just turn on you when you least expect it.
almost all (something like 91% of all) pitbulls should be strung up & fed to great whites
It's not fair to go after one breed. Some owners are very good at keeping their pits in line and they can be loving based on its training. It doesn't mean accidents will never happen but going after one breed is not the answer. That said, a pack of 9 of them? That was just asking for trouble, right there...
All dogs are desended from the Wolf. By nature, they tend to run in pack. That is their nature.
Humans have domesticated the dog and the human/dog bond has grown to be pretty strong... but, only as long as the human plays the dominant role in the relationship.
That said, I believe all dog owners need to be held responsible for the actions of their dogs. I don't care what breed the dog is, if the dog causes harm, the owner needs to be held fully responsible and accountable because the human is the leading and reasoning half of this relationship.
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How about outfitting the owner with a non-removable electric shock collar for a year or two and everytime they think something stupid, they get shocked?
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My friend's up north had hunting Pit's. They would drop the wild boar,and Clarence would shoot it.These Dog's were 135 and 140lbs. And their daughter Lacy would jump on them like they were a trampoline,pull them by their ear's,their tail's,etc... If they had enough,They would get up and walk away. But I'm sure it's allot different when you have a pack of them.
a pack of pits in one backyard means only one thing; the people holding them there are idiots & the problem gets worse because they had a small child in the home. idiots, idiots & more fucking mindless assholes are present at said pitbull corrol
fair? life aint fucking fair. just ask the tiny child mauled to death because her stupid shit parents held 247 pitbulls in their backyard
All dogs are desended from the Wolf. By nature, they tend to run in pack. That is their nature. Humans have domesticated the dog and the human/dog bond has grown to be pretty strong... but, only as long as the human plays the dominant role in the relationship.
That said, I believe all dog owners need to be held responsible for the actions of their dogs. I don't care what breed the dog is, if the dog causes harm, the owner needs to be held fully responsible and accountable because the human is the leading and reasoning half of this relationship.
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How about outfitting the owner with a non-removable electric shock collar for a year or two and everytime they think something stupid, they get shocked?
I don't know. I disagree that as long as the human owner stays dominant that nothing will ever happen. Dogs are not fully tame. They just aren't. Owners and potential owners need to know that dogs cannot be fully trusted 100% of the time regardless if the owner is present or not. There's a lack of real respect that the dog will not act on instinct ever.
It's like owning a wolf, say. I've known people who have. The one wolf I got to see towered over me when he had his front legs up on top of his fence. People know that owning a wolf is dangerous regardless of taking care of it since it was a pup, say, or he/she seems docile. People should know this going into dog ownership.
I'm not sure about owners being fully to blame either. You can't control your dog 100% of the time, but if a child gets killed someone has to pay the consequences.
i gave up several different phythons, boas, monitors, rattlesnakes & iguanas & all the aquariums, enclosures & things when my brothers started bringing kids into this world. "to be smart i guess the critters gotta go"
little samantha & ethan do not deserve to be bitten or ate.
there aint a dog on the planet i'd allow in the home with my child under 8 or 10 years of age. those are the facts, ladies & gentlemen.
these people in this story are hillbillies, slow-minded, selfish, useless & cruel. those people actually caused their childs death full on.
i'd bet a million bucks that a full blooded wolf is kinder to a child than a pitbull or any other tame ass dog. seems wolves love new borns & the entire pack is excited. wolves' IQs are only 67% higher than a dumb ass dog or some shit
i gave up several different phythons, boas, monitors, rattlesnakes & iguanas & all the aquariums, enclosures & things when my brothers started bringing kids into this world. "to be smart i guess the critters gotta go"
little samantha & ethan do not deserve to be bitten or ate.
there aint a dog on the planet i'd allow in the home with my child under 8 or 10 years of age. those are the facts, ladies & gentlemen.
these people in this story are hillbillies, slow-minded, selfish, useless & cruel. those people actually caused their childs death full on.
And yes Chadwick, They will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.
i'd bet a million bucks that a full blooded wolf is kinder to a child than a pitbull or any other tame ass dog. seems wolves love new borns & the entire pack is excited. wolves' IQs are only 67% higher than a dumb ass dog or some shit
I had a Mother and Daughter Wolf-Shepard mix.Lived to be 18-17yrs. They weren't to cool with rabbit's or chickens,But they were the best dog's ever.
I don't know. I disagree that as long as the human owner stays dominant that nothing will ever happen. Dogs are not fully tame. They just aren't. Owners and potential owners need to know that dogs cannot be fully trusted 100% of the time regardless if the owner is present or not. There's a lack of real respect that the dog will not act on instinct ever.
It's like owning a wolf, say. I've known people who have. The one wolf I got to see towered over me when he had his front legs up on top of his fence. People know that owning a wolf is dangerous regardless of taking care of it since it was a pup, say, or he/she seems docile. People should know this going into dog ownership.
I'm not sure about owners being fully to blame either. You can't control your dog 100% of the time, but if a child gets killed someone has to pay the consequences.
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The Human STILL needs to be responsible and accountable for the actions of their pet dog.
If the dog is not fully tamed, then it is the Human's responsibility to contain the animal from contact with other humans. If someone enters the containment area, that human is responsible (not the owner) for any harm the dog inflicts on them. But, the owner still has the responsibility of fencing in the dog and posting warnings to stay out.
As for owning a wolf... there is no owning a wolf. People have tried, unsuccessfully, to nuture a wolf cub into a domestic pet, but when the animal reaches a year or so, it reverts to it's natural instincts. It would have to be a process of selective breeding of certain wolves... the ones who are the most tame with other wolves showing the 'tame' gene, through several generations to attempt to domesticate the wolf... and even then, you will probably fail.
Check out the Silver Foxes in Russia.. it is an intersting example of selective breeding and gives us an insight on how humans might have first come to domesticate the wolf to the dog. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... tliff-text
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What I highlighted is the point people are missing in this thread. It's not just pit bulls, rottweilers or shepards. Dogs bite. They have some kind of natural instinct to attack. I'm tire of the pitbulls getting blamed when ANY dog can and does attack. What's lost is the respect that dogs are not completely tame and that we should be more aware of this and know that they are territorial and prone to attack when their instinct tells them to. They also smell fear, another precaution people and owners need to understand. People need to know this before accidents happen.
Totally support this and applaud it.
Also taking into mind a dog's loyalty and need/instinct to protect (part of the territorialism you mentioned).
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The Human STILL needs to be responsible and accountable for the actions of their pet dog.
If the dog is not fully tamed, then it is the Human's responsibility to contain the animal from contact with other humans.
I'm with you on this too (go figure, agreeing with two who typically make sense to me ). Although I don't think any dog can be fully tamed. Just like cats.
What I highlighted is the point people are missing in this thread. It's not just pit bulls, rottweilers or shepards. Dogs bite. They have some kind of natural instinct to attack. I'm tire of the pitbulls getting blamed when ANY dog can and does attack. What's lost is the respect that dogs are not completely tame and that we should be more aware of this and know that they are territorial and prone to attack when their instinct tells them to. They also smell fear, another precaution people and owners need to understand. People need to know this before accidents happen.
Nobody has missed anything.
Why should we be very aware of dogs and their propensity to attack or bite? We only share the earth with domestic dogs because we choose to do so. Given that we choose dogs for pets... why not choose appropriate ones? I'm not buying the dog's a dog's a dog bullshit. The three breeds you listed (as well as some other notorious ones) are prone to biting/attacking humans... and when they do the results are disastrous for the attacked.
It is extremely rare to hear of golden retrievers tearing apart a child. Same as pomeranians. If a daschund comes ripping after someone... who cares? We continually hear of pitbulls and regardless of the reason... the fact that we do begs some form of consideration. Just because one dog is "sooooo nice" doesn't mean we ignore the other members of the pack that are flat out dangerous.
Regardless... scrap the 'ban' idea. Let's have dog owners put their money where their mouths are: if your dog attacks someone then you should be held accountable. If you are a good owner and the dog really truly is not a threat... then you have nothing to worry about. Remember... some exceptions exist (such as the dog being tormented and finally attacking).
On the other hand though... if your dog is a violent breed or you are just a bad dog owner, and you want to roll the dice anyways because it's that important to you to own such a dog... then go ahead... but be warned that you face the consequences if someone's little girl gets mauled and lives the rest of her life with a scarred face.
I don't know. I disagree that as long as the human owner stays dominant that nothing will ever happen. Dogs are not fully tame. They just aren't. Owners and potential owners need to know that dogs cannot be fully trusted 100% of the time regardless if the owner is present or not. There's a lack of real respect that the dog will not act on instinct ever.
It's like owning a wolf, say. I've known people who have. The one wolf I got to see towered over me when he had his front legs up on top of his fence. People know that owning a wolf is dangerous regardless of taking care of it since it was a pup, say, or he/she seems docile. People should know this going into dog ownership.
I'm not sure about owners being fully to blame either. You can't control your dog 100% of the time, but if a child gets killed someone has to pay the consequences.
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The Human STILL needs to be responsible and accountable for the actions of their pet dog.
If the dog is not fully tamed, then it is the Human's responsibility to contain the animal from contact with other humans. If someone enters the containment area, that human is responsible (not the owner) for any harm the dog inflicts on them. But, the owner still has the responsibility of fencing in the dog and posting warnings to stay out.
As for owning a wolf... there is no owning a wolf. People have tried, unsuccessfully, to nuture a wolf cub into a domestic pet, but when the animal reaches a year or so, it reverts to it's natural instincts. It would have to be a process of selective breeding of certain wolves... the ones who are the most tame with other wolves showing the 'tame' gene, through several generations to attempt to domesticate the wolf... and even then, you will probably fail.
Check out the Silver Foxes in Russia.. it is an intersting example of selective breeding and gives us an insight on how humans might have first come to domesticate the wolf to the dog. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... tliff-text
Yeah, I agree about the responsibility and accountability part. But I do know some people who own wolves or part-wolf/part-dog. One lived til she was 18 and was healthy right up til the last 6 months. She was a real wild one that was part husky.
That link was something. I never imagined owning a hog (?) that sits in my arm chair. (the dog link was there on the sidebar)
Why should we be very aware of dogs and their propensity to attack or bite? We only share the earth with domestic dogs because we choose to do so. Given that we choose dogs for pets... why not choose appropriate ones? I'm not buying the dog's a dog's a dog bullshit. The three breeds you listed (as well as some other notorious ones) are prone to biting/attacking humans... and when they do the results are disastrous for the attacked.
It is extremely rare to hear of golden retrievers tearing apart a child. Same as pomeranians. If a daschund comes ripping after someone... who cares? We continually hear of pitbulls and regardless of the reason... the fact that we do begs some form of consideration. Just because one dog is "sooooo nice" doesn't mean we ignore the other members of the pack that are flat out dangerous.
Regardless... scrap the 'ban' idea. Let's have dog owners put their money where their mouths are: if your dog attacks someone then you should be held accountable. If you are a good owner and the dog really truly is not a threat... then you have nothing to worry about. Remember... some exceptions exist (such as the dog being tormented and finally attacking).
On the other hand though... if your dog is a violent breed or you are just a bad dog owner, and you want to roll the dice anyways because it's that important to you to own such a dog... then go ahead... but be warned that you face the consequences if someone's little girl gets mauled and lives the rest of her life with a scarred face.
Fair enough, no?
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I agree with both, any dog can bite and it depends on the dog.
If a Schit-zu tries to bite my ankles, i'm punting his ass over the fence.. a Pit Bull or Mastiff.. i'm in trouble.
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What I highlighted is the point people are missing in this thread. It's not just pit bulls, rottweilers or shepards. Dogs bite. They have some kind of natural instinct to attack. I'm tire of the pitbulls getting blamed when ANY dog can and does attack. What's lost is the respect that dogs are not completely tame and that we should be more aware of this and know that they are territorial and prone to attack when their instinct tells them to. They also smell fear, another precaution people and owners need to understand. People need to know this before accidents happen.
Nobody has missed anything.
Why should we be very aware of dogs and their propensity to attack or bite? We only share the earth with domestic dogs because we choose to do so. Given that we choose dogs for pets... why not choose appropriate ones? I'm not buying the dog's a dog's a dog bullshit. The three breeds you listed (as well as some other notorious ones) are prone to biting/attacking humans... and when they do the results are disastrous for the attacked.
It is extremely rare to hear of golden retrievers tearing apart a child. Same as pomeranians. If a daschund comes ripping after someone... who cares? We continually hear of pitbulls and regardless of the reason... the fact that we do begs some form of consideration. Just because one dog is "sooooo nice" doesn't mean we ignore the other members of the pack that are flat out dangerous.
Regardless... scrap the 'ban' idea. Let's have dog owners put their money where their mouths are: if your dog attacks someone then you should be held accountable. If you are a good owner and the dog really truly is not a threat... then you have nothing to worry about. Remember... some exceptions exist (such as the dog being tormented and finally attacking).
On the other hand though... if your dog is a violent breed or you are just a bad dog owner, and you want to roll the dice anyways because it's that important to you to own such a dog... then go ahead... but be warned that you face the consequences if someone's little girl gets mauled and lives the rest of her life with a scarred face.
Fair enough, no?
Yet you have missed the point. Get off of the "vicious breeds" for a minute and realize that all dogs are territorial, all dogs can and will bite when instinct calls, all dogs can be unpredictable. That's what I'm talking about, not just merely those that maul people to death. They are not 100% tame, even though we choose to think that, especially of the dogs we own.
Why is it that a postal carrier, UPS guy, anyone in a uniform has to watch out for dogs, even the little ones? Because there's something about that uniform that most dogs hate.
Check out the Silver Foxes in Russia.. it is an intersting example of selective breeding and gives us an insight on how humans might have first come to domesticate the wolf to the dog. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... tliff-text
Yeah, I agree about the responsibility and accountability part. But I do know some people who own wolves or part-wolf/part-dog. One lived til she was 18 and was healthy right up til the last 6 months. She was a real wild one that was part husky.
That link was something. I never imagined owning a hog (?) that sits in my arm chair. (the dog link was there on the sidebar)
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Read the article. It is about 'Mavrik', the pet dog that is really a fox.
In Siberia, they proved how selective breeding can transform wild foxes into tame housepets by only breeding those animals who had a tame personality. In the transformation, the animals changed... their coats changed, they developed a bark, their ears got floppy, tails curled and they adapted to life with humans. It is fascinating.
It was an accident, of sorts. they were trying to breed the animals for their coats in 1953. in a relatively short period of time, they were able to breed animals that didn't need to be caged, like their wild brethren. It is probably how wolves were first domesticated into dogs by early Man... over a much longer period.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Why should we be very aware of dogs and their propensity to attack or bite? We only share the earth with domestic dogs because we choose to do so. Given that we choose dogs for pets... why not choose appropriate ones? I'm not buying the dog's a dog's a dog bullshit. The three breeds you listed (as well as some other notorious ones) are prone to biting/attacking humans... and when they do the results are disastrous for the attacked.
It is extremely rare to hear of golden retrievers tearing apart a child. Same as pomeranians. If a daschund comes ripping after someone... who cares? We continually hear of pitbulls and regardless of the reason... the fact that we do begs some form of consideration. Just because one dog is "sooooo nice" doesn't mean we ignore the other members of the pack that are flat out dangerous.
Regardless... scrap the 'ban' idea. Let's have dog owners put their money where their mouths are: if your dog attacks someone then you should be held accountable. If you are a good owner and the dog really truly is not a threat... then you have nothing to worry about. Remember... some exceptions exist (such as the dog being tormented and finally attacking).
On the other hand though... if your dog is a violent breed or you are just a bad dog owner, and you want to roll the dice anyways because it's that important to you to own such a dog... then go ahead... but be warned that you face the consequences if someone's little girl gets mauled and lives the rest of her life with a scarred face.
Fair enough, no?
Yet you have missed the point. Get off of the "vicious breeds" for a minute and realize that all dogs are territorial, all dogs can and will bite when instinct calls, all dogs can be unpredictable. That's what I'm talking about, not just merely those that maul people to death. They are not 100% tame, even though we choose to think that, especially of the dogs we own.
The point is not that tough to get. As I said before... it is understood, but it is not entirely true and ignored: you would suggest that dogs all have the same internal wiring and respond the same to stimuli they face which... is... wrong.
Some dogs have been bred to work. Some dogs have been bred to sit in a grandmother's lap. Some dogs have been bred to fight and to assist humans with their ferocity used towards other humans (guard dogs, police dogs, military dogs). The dogs you listed have a deep history of training for aggression and this is why some owners are left wondering why their dog acted out in such a capacity when prior to their violent outburst... they had been such great house pets.
You ignored my suggestion regarding full responsibility for the dogs people choose to own? By full responsibilty... I mean full responsibility. Go ahead... have a Rottweiler... but if it kills a kid... the dog was an extension of you. Murder. Not premeditated... but murder. If people are so confident... they shouldn't have a problem with such a simple concept, yes?
Pit Bulls are banned in my province. Have been since 1990. Every animal has the potential to be sweet and loveable. But an aggressive breed should NOT be domesticated. It's common fucking sense.
I had a fucking small, stupid, super friendly dog as a child. When he got hold of a rib bone by going through the garbage, he'd growl and fucking bite us if we tried to get near him to take it away. Every other minute of his existence he was the nicest dog you'd ever want to meet.
How small is your penis that you have to own a giant truck and an aggressive animal? I guess it makes some feel macho.
It's not rocket science, people.
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This week in greater vancouver a little girl was attacked by her neighbor's pit bull. Hundreds of stitches in her face.
I think pit bulls should be banned. I know some are good (i've known some... Yet i NEVER made the assumption that they would never snap and becone viscious, because that is in their nature), but so what? The danger outweighs all the arguments for pit bull ownership. And i do know the arguments, and understand the issue fully ( i am not ignorant Pandora ). And still i think that after all is said and done they should be illegal to own or breed. The fact that it is often the failure of their owners to train them properly is meaningless. The problem is there - why it's there is irrelevant. These dogs are too unpredictable (and it is bullshit that it always a matter of training - that is not always the case. Even if it were, there is no way to ensure pit bull owners are responsible, but there is a way to keep them from having the opportunity to be irresponsible - by making it illegal to own one).
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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What I highlighted is the point people are missing in this thread. It's not just pit bulls, rottweilers or shepards. Dogs bite. They have some kind of natural instinct to attack. I'm tire of the pitbulls getting blamed when ANY dog can and does attack. What's lost is the respect that dogs are not completely tame and that we should be more aware of this and know that they are territorial and prone to attack when their instinct tells them to. They also smell fear, another precaution people and owners need to understand. People need to know this before accidents happen.
unless this is the person who consistently feeds the dog daily and trust is there.
Second a child should never put their face in the face of dog ... always an arms length
with time for the dog to smell the child's hand. Always adult supervision.
Some dogs some breeds are way cool with kids. Get a good book and find out which.
But even Beagles can be bad with kids. we had one we had to give up...
he was a biter with our small son.
Scotties are known to be not so good with kids but ours was around infants and was fine.
and this is a case where size does not matter.
I know pit bulls who have children they watch and the yard is full of neighborhood kids.
Dogs are individuals. We are their people and we must be the alpha dog. They learn
what we expect. Parents must teach children and dog owners must teach dogs.
Just get down there and bite them in the neck show them who's boss... Lucy loves that
guaranteed if a rat terrior or fox terrier comes at me i will laugh or kick it in the ass & be on my way
guaranteed if a pitbull, rottwieler, or german shepard comes at me i will not laugh & i am in most cases screwed & will be trying to be prepared for the attack & fight.
guaranteed if a lab, collie, or golden retriever comes at me it means they wanna fetch up a stick i am walking with
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
If you're wearing any kind of uniform, you cannot assume any dog is gonna want to play fetch. If you have any fear towards dogs, they'll know, they wont want to play fetch with you. If you're in his/her territory, that dog may just turn on you when you least expect it.
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It's not fair to go after one breed. Some owners are very good at keeping their pits in line and they can be loving based on its training. It doesn't mean accidents will never happen but going after one breed is not the answer. That said, a pack of 9 of them? That was just asking for trouble, right there...
Humans have domesticated the dog and the human/dog bond has grown to be pretty strong... but, only as long as the human plays the dominant role in the relationship.
That said, I believe all dog owners need to be held responsible for the actions of their dogs. I don't care what breed the dog is, if the dog causes harm, the owner needs to be held fully responsible and accountable because the human is the leading and reasoning half of this relationship.
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How about outfitting the owner with a non-removable electric shock collar for a year or two and everytime they think something stupid, they get shocked?
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fair? life aint fucking fair. just ask the tiny child mauled to death because her stupid shit parents held 247 pitbulls in their backyard
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I am tired; my heart is
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no more forever."
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I don't know. I disagree that as long as the human owner stays dominant that nothing will ever happen. Dogs are not fully tame. They just aren't. Owners and potential owners need to know that dogs cannot be fully trusted 100% of the time regardless if the owner is present or not. There's a lack of real respect that the dog will not act on instinct ever.
It's like owning a wolf, say. I've known people who have. The one wolf I got to see towered over me when he had his front legs up on top of his fence. People know that owning a wolf is dangerous regardless of taking care of it since it was a pup, say, or he/she seems docile. People should know this going into dog ownership.
I'm not sure about owners being fully to blame either. You can't control your dog 100% of the time, but if a child gets killed someone has to pay the consequences.
little samantha & ethan do not deserve to be bitten or ate.
there aint a dog on the planet i'd allow in the home with my child under 8 or 10 years of age. those are the facts, ladies & gentlemen.
these people in this story are hillbillies, slow-minded, selfish, useless & cruel. those people actually caused their childs death full on.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
The Human STILL needs to be responsible and accountable for the actions of their pet dog.
If the dog is not fully tamed, then it is the Human's responsibility to contain the animal from contact with other humans. If someone enters the containment area, that human is responsible (not the owner) for any harm the dog inflicts on them. But, the owner still has the responsibility of fencing in the dog and posting warnings to stay out.
As for owning a wolf... there is no owning a wolf. People have tried, unsuccessfully, to nuture a wolf cub into a domestic pet, but when the animal reaches a year or so, it reverts to it's natural instincts. It would have to be a process of selective breeding of certain wolves... the ones who are the most tame with other wolves showing the 'tame' gene, through several generations to attempt to domesticate the wolf... and even then, you will probably fail.
Check out the Silver Foxes in Russia.. it is an intersting example of selective breeding and gives us an insight on how humans might have first come to domesticate the wolf to the dog.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... tliff-text
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Also taking into mind a dog's loyalty and need/instinct to protect (part of the territorialism you mentioned).
Still, even he's been bitten.
Nobody has missed anything.
Why should we be very aware of dogs and their propensity to attack or bite? We only share the earth with domestic dogs because we choose to do so. Given that we choose dogs for pets... why not choose appropriate ones? I'm not buying the dog's a dog's a dog bullshit. The three breeds you listed (as well as some other notorious ones) are prone to biting/attacking humans... and when they do the results are disastrous for the attacked.
It is extremely rare to hear of golden retrievers tearing apart a child. Same as pomeranians. If a daschund comes ripping after someone... who cares? We continually hear of pitbulls and regardless of the reason... the fact that we do begs some form of consideration. Just because one dog is "sooooo nice" doesn't mean we ignore the other members of the pack that are flat out dangerous.
Regardless... scrap the 'ban' idea. Let's have dog owners put their money where their mouths are: if your dog attacks someone then you should be held accountable. If you are a good owner and the dog really truly is not a threat... then you have nothing to worry about. Remember... some exceptions exist (such as the dog being tormented and finally attacking).
On the other hand though... if your dog is a violent breed or you are just a bad dog owner, and you want to roll the dice anyways because it's that important to you to own such a dog... then go ahead... but be warned that you face the consequences if someone's little girl gets mauled and lives the rest of her life with a scarred face.
Fair enough, no?
Yeah, I agree about the responsibility and accountability part. But I do know some people who own wolves or part-wolf/part-dog. One lived til she was 18 and was healthy right up til the last 6 months. She was a real wild one that was part husky.
That link was something. I never imagined owning a hog (?) that sits in my arm chair.
I agree with both, any dog can bite and it depends on the dog.
If a Schit-zu tries to bite my ankles, i'm punting his ass over the fence.. a Pit Bull or Mastiff.. i'm in trouble.
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Yet you have missed the point. Get off of the "vicious breeds" for a minute and realize that all dogs are territorial, all dogs can and will bite when instinct calls, all dogs can be unpredictable. That's what I'm talking about, not just merely those that maul people to death. They are not 100% tame, even though we choose to think that, especially of the dogs we own.
Why is it that a postal carrier, UPS guy, anyone in a uniform has to watch out for dogs, even the little ones? Because there's something about that uniform that most dogs hate.
Read the article. It is about 'Mavrik', the pet dog that is really a fox.
In Siberia, they proved how selective breeding can transform wild foxes into tame housepets by only breeding those animals who had a tame personality. In the transformation, the animals changed... their coats changed, they developed a bark, their ears got floppy, tails curled and they adapted to life with humans. It is fascinating.
It was an accident, of sorts. they were trying to breed the animals for their coats in 1953. in a relatively short period of time, they were able to breed animals that didn't need to be caged, like their wild brethren. It is probably how wolves were first domesticated into dogs by early Man... over a much longer period.
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The point is not that tough to get. As I said before... it is understood, but it is not entirely true and ignored: you would suggest that dogs all have the same internal wiring and respond the same to stimuli they face which... is... wrong.
Some dogs have been bred to work. Some dogs have been bred to sit in a grandmother's lap. Some dogs have been bred to fight and to assist humans with their ferocity used towards other humans (guard dogs, police dogs, military dogs). The dogs you listed have a deep history of training for aggression and this is why some owners are left wondering why their dog acted out in such a capacity when prior to their violent outburst... they had been such great house pets.
You ignored my suggestion regarding full responsibility for the dogs people choose to own? By full responsibilty... I mean full responsibility. Go ahead... have a Rottweiler... but if it kills a kid... the dog was an extension of you. Murder. Not premeditated... but murder. If people are so confident... they shouldn't have a problem with such a simple concept, yes?
I had a fucking small, stupid, super friendly dog as a child. When he got hold of a rib bone by going through the garbage, he'd growl and fucking bite us if we tried to get near him to take it away. Every other minute of his existence he was the nicest dog you'd ever want to meet.
How small is your penis that you have to own a giant truck and an aggressive animal? I guess it makes some feel macho.
It's not rocket science, people.
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I think pit bulls should be banned. I know some are good (i've known some... Yet i NEVER made the assumption that they would never snap and becone viscious, because that is in their nature), but so what? The danger outweighs all the arguments for pit bull ownership. And i do know the arguments, and understand the issue fully ( i am not ignorant Pandora