Family Pit Bulls Kill Child

JimmyV

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I am asking the question because it is relevant. If we do this what is next?

I believe that these dogs are also victims. If we eliminate the dog fighting culture these dogs will no longer be bred for violence. These are living, breathing creatures. It is not at all about "the right for any person to own any type of dog they desire in any setting."

I'm not going to argue with your statement regarding the fact that we have built a bit of a monster. I'm repeating myself again here: it's much more about the irresponsibility of owners versus the dog. This is irrelevant though- the problem exists and is not going away.

I'm not really advocating for a ban as much as I am advocating for really stiff penalties for idiots that raise a dog that become sviscious and attacks someone.

As for your hypothetical question... my answer would be that we would need to determine actions if a different breed proved to be problematic. It is not about eliminating dogs- it's about eliminating risks.

Agreed that we need tougher punishments in place. I think we missed a chance with Vick because as harsh as his penalty was there were far too many people willing to help rehabilitate his image once he got out of jail. He should still be there, not making millions of dollars in the NFL. I think it is the fighting culture that is to blame. If it is not eliminated and pitbulls are then they will just move on to another breed.

pandora

In the article I posted about true Pit Bulls, the two breeds that are Pit Bulls,
it mentions their history. I thought who gets enjoyment from a dog fighting a bear or bobcat?
as this is how it all started in the 1800's. That speaks volumes about someones lack of compassion.
What kind of society would allow this or dog fighting or cock fighting. Just blood thirsty men,
I guess.

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

As far as me thinking its hard to understand dogs, not at all. They are much like us as I
have mentioned. They have instincts in place that control their behavior.
You call it cuckoo I would not.
There is a reason for a dog lashing out and it is not due to being crazed.
It can be explained as we have in the case of these 7 dogs...
and it goes back to human stupidity.

Dogs are like us? We will have to agree to disagree on that one.

Some are clever animals, some exhibit traits that resemble ours, and all share a few of the basic needs we do... but a dog is hardly a human being. They are a dog.

Some dog lovers tend to elevate their pets into another stratosphere when speaking of them- some pets elevated to a status above that of people. I'm not so sure this is great.

Yes that would be what the dog whisperer would say.
To many dog owners their dogs are their children. For the lucky dogs they are one of the family.
I believe dogs are evolving just as we are. The human influence of the last 30,000 years
has changed them much. And will continue to. I'm one of those dog lovers who realize just
how special they and their love is. I have had at least one dog for every decade
of my life and will continue til I leave this world and I hope I can hold each one again
if only in a dream.

the wolf

JimmyV wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I am asking the question because it is relevant. If we do this what is next?

I believe that these dogs are also victims. If we eliminate the dog fighting culture these dogs will no longer be bred for violence. These are living, breathing creatures. It is not at all about "the right for any person to own any type of dog they desire in any setting."

I'm not going to argue with your statement regarding the fact that we have built a bit of a monster. I'm repeating myself again here: it's much more about the irresponsibility of owners versus the dog. This is irrelevant though- the problem exists and is not going away.

I'm not really advocating for a ban as much as I am advocating for really stiff penalties for idiots that raise a dog that become sviscious and attacks someone.

As for your hypothetical question... my answer would be that we would need to determine actions if a different breed proved to be problematic. It is not about eliminating dogs- it's about eliminating risks.

Agreed that we need tougher punishments in place. I think we missed a chance with Vick because as harsh as his penalty was there were far too many people willing to help rehabilitate his image once he got out of jail. He should still be there, not making millions of dollars in the NFL. I think it is the fighting culture that is to blame. If it is not eliminated and pitbulls are then they will just move on to another breed.

What some are missing here, and I think you may have been suggesting, ( I don't want to put words in your mouth ) is this,.. If Pitbulls go away via banning or no longer breeding them, the crazy people will just
move on to a different breed and start breeding them to fight. We are already starting to see it with Rottweilers. Then we will be having this discussion about Rotts. Then these assholes will be breeding Jack Russell Terriers to be fighting dogs, then Labs.
So the question, "Where does it stop?" Is a very valid question. The dogs themselves can't help what they
are being bred for.

Jason P

JimmyV wrote:

Once the pitbulls are gone what breed do we eliminate next?

We can go down the list of bitey dogs and then move on to the yipper dogs (especially the ones that wake my up at 5am).

Eventually we just get it down to Labs and Golden Retrievers as the last remaining breeds and the planet should be a safer place.

:geek:

JimmyV

the wolf wrote:

What some are missing here, and I think you may have been suggesting, ( I don't want to put words in your mouth ) is this,.. If Pitbulls go away via banning or no longer breeding them, the crazy people will just
move on to a different breed and start breeding them to fight. We are already starting to see it with Rottweilers. Then we will be having this discussion about Rotts. Then these assholes will be breeding Jack Russell Terriers to be fighting dogs, then Labs.
So the question, "Where does it stop?" Is a very valid question. The dogs themselves can't help what they
are being bred for.

That is indeed what I am suggesting. Eliminating the pitbulls but not the dog fighting culture will not fix the problem.

josevolution

Horrible parenting once again all preventable tragedy's it all comes down to that fucking assnine parents ....

Hugh Freaking Dillon

the wolf wrote:

What some are missing here, and I think you may have been suggesting, ( I don't want to put words in your mouth ) is this,.. If Pitbulls go away via banning or no longer breeding them, the crazy people will just
move on to a different breed and start breeding them to fight. We are already starting to see it with Rottweilers. Then we will be having this discussion about Rotts. Then these assholes will be breeding Jack Russell Terriers to be fighting dogs, then Labs.
So the question, "Where does it stop?" Is a very valid question. The dogs themselves can't help what they
are being bred for.

pit bulls have been illegal here for over two decades, and the potential issues you raise have not happened here.

chadwick

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

the wolf wrote:

What some are missing here, and I think you may have been suggesting, ( I don't want to put words in your mouth ) is this,.. If Pitbulls go away via banning or no longer breeding them, the crazy people will just
move on to a different breed and start breeding them to fight. We are already starting to see it with Rottweilers. Then we will be having this discussion about Rotts. Then these assholes will be breeding Jack Russell Terriers to be fighting dogs, then Labs.
So the question, "Where does it stop?" Is a very valid question. The dogs themselves can't help what they
are being bred for.

pit bulls have been illegal here for over two decades, and the potential issues you raise have not happened here.

on the whole Canadians are kinder/gentler ppl than the us, yes/no?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

chadwick wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pit bulls have been illegal here for over two decades, and the potential issues you raise have not happened here.

on the whole Canadians are kinder/gentler ppl than the us, yes/no?

I've met plenty of nice americans and plenty of asshole canadians, but that seems to be the perception, yes.

Abuskedti

I don't like the article, don't think it was necessary to publish that the 12 year old boy was assigned to watch the baby. :(

chadwick

Abuskedti wrote:

I don't like the article, don't think it was necessary to publish that the 12 year old boy was assigned to watch the baby. :(

yeah that was out of order & will cause that boy problems. the only ppl guilty here are the parents having their children live in a pitbull run household

JimmyV

chadwick wrote:

Abuskedti wrote:

I don't like the article, don't think it was necessary to publish that the 12 year old boy was assigned to watch the baby. :(

yeah that was out of order & will cause that boy problems. the only ppl guilty here are the parents having their children live in a pitbull run household

Yes, the twelve year old was not the one bringing all those dogs into the home.

the wolf

JimmyV wrote:

chadwick wrote:

Abuskedti wrote:

I don't like the article, don't think it was necessary to publish that the 12 year old boy was assigned to watch the baby. :(

yeah that was out of order & will cause that boy problems. the only ppl guilty here are the parents having their children live in a pitbull run household

Yes, the twelve year old was not the one bringing all those dogs into the home.

I think that is one thing we can all agree on here. No way it was the 12 yr old boys fault. As much as it wasn't the type of dogs. It's bad decisions on the parents for having that many animals that they can't control in the best of circumstances, let alone the worst.

JC29856

both my pitbulls say that mike vick was the greatest thing to happen to the pitbull community
1. brought awareness that dog fighting still takes place
2. realization that some for whatever reason dont see anything wrong with dog fighting
3. proved how resilient pitbulls are, all of the vick dogs (except maybe 1) were completely rehabilitated

one of them woke up as i was typing this and wanted me to reming people that
1. dog aggression is completely different than people aggression...he wants me to tell you about the time when his brother was pinned down in the ring, on the edge of death with another dog around his neck choking and bleeding him out, he says his brother wagged his tale when his owner came over to comfort him before he took his last breath and died
2. when you treat dogs like pets and love them they will love you back, dogs need nutritional food, green grass, trees and a loving environment, when you treat dogs like a security system without interaction, socialization, food and water then dont expect much in return, no different than humans

he went back to sleep snoring....

http://www.badrap.org/vick-dogs

http://vickdogsblog.blogspot.com/

http://blogs.bestfriends.org/index.php/ ... vick-dogs/

Prince Of Dorkness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR2wNbGPXEI

I have a shiatsu, Boston, Pitt bull and fucked up demon spawn mutt that I think is the result of an unholy union between a mini pinscher and a fox.

callen

JC29856 wrote:

both my pitbulls say that mike vick was the greatest thing to happen to the pitbull community
1. brought awareness that dog fighting still takes place
2. realization that some for whatever reason dont see anything wrong with dog fighting
3. proved how resilient pitbulls are, all of the vick dogs (except maybe 1) were completely rehabilitated

one of them woke up as i was typing this and wanted me to reming people that
1. dog aggression is completely different than people aggression...he wants me to tell you about the time when his brother was pinned down in the ring, on the edge of death with another dog around his neck choking and bleeding him out, he says his brother wagged his tale when his owner came over to comfort him before he took his last breath and died
2. when you treat dogs like pets and love them they will love you back, dogs need nutritional food, green grass, trees and a loving environment, when you treat dogs like a security system without interaction, socialization, food and water then dont expect much in return, no different than humans

he went back to sleep snoring....

http://www.badrap.org/vick-dogs

http://vickdogsblog.blogspot.com/

http://blogs.bestfriends.org/index.php/ ... vick-dogs/

A dogs love is pure...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JC29856 wrote:

1. dog aggression is completely different than people aggression...he wants me to tell you about the time when his brother was pinned down in the ring, on the edge of death with another dog around his neck choking and bleeding him out, he says his brother wagged his tale when his owner came over to comfort him before he took his last breath and died

Sad. Cold, heartless people exist. Lots of them.

JimmyV

JC29856 wrote:

both my pitbulls say that mike vick was the greatest thing to happen to the pitbull community
1. brought awareness that dog fighting still takes place
2. realization that some for whatever reason dont see anything wrong with dog fighting
3. proved how resilient pitbulls are, all of the vick dogs (except maybe 1) were completely rehabilitated

one of them woke up as i was typing this and wanted me to reming people that
1. dog aggression is completely different than people aggression...he wants me to tell you about the time when his brother was pinned down in the ring, on the edge of death with another dog around his neck choking and bleeding him out, he says his brother wagged his tale when his owner came over to comfort him before he took his last breath and died
2. when you treat dogs like pets and love them they will love you back, dogs need nutritional food, green grass, trees and a loving environment, when you treat dogs like a security system without interaction, socialization, food and water then dont expect much in return, no different than humans

he went back to sleep snoring....

http://www.badrap.org/vick-dogs

http://vickdogsblog.blogspot.com/

http://blogs.bestfriends.org/index.php/ ... vick-dogs/

Thank you for posting these links. Too many people are too quick to forget the Vick dogs.