Family Pit Bulls Kill Child

donnaruhl

I don't even know how to reply to this.There was a German Shepard that took a sleeping infant over the back side of the couch that it was on... The parent's couldn't find the baby and had thought somebody had taken it. A German Shepard also bit a chunk of cheek out of my Nephew's face ,when He reached into the food dish to get some food to hand feed the dog. A friend's Shepard mauled a little boy's face,When the dog woke to find the kid next to him.The little Boy would walk by the house every day and shove sticks through the fence at the dog.My friend's were unaware of this.So one day their son invited the little boy over to watch T.V. When the Dog woke up,He attacked the boy. My friend took his dog of many years out back and shot him. It could be any dog that's capable of doing such harm. I just want to understand why so many dog's? Were they fighting dog's? Was it a mill?So many thing's could have been done differently,And that's something that they're going to have to live with for the rest of their lives.Don't want to judge or point finger's,Because they'll be doing enough of that themselves.

chadwick

donnaruhl wrote:

I don't even know how to reply to this.There was a German Shepard that took a sleeping infant over the back side of the couch that it was on... The parent's couldn't find the baby and had thought somebody had taken it. A German Shepard also bit a chunk of cheek out of my Nephew's face ,when He reached into the food dish to get some food to hand feed the dog. A friend's Shepard mauled a little boy's face,When the dog woke to find the kid next to him.The little Boy would walk by the house every day and shove sticks through the fence at the dog.My friend's were unaware of this.So one day their son invited the little boy over to watch T.V. When the Dog woke up,He attacked the boy. My friend took his dog of many years out back and shot him. It could be any dog that's capable of doing such harm. I just want to understand why so many dog's? Were they fighting dog's? Was it a mill?So many thing's could have been done differently,And that's something that they're going to have to live with for the rest of their lives.Don't want to judge or point finger's,Because they'll be doing enough of that themselves.

yeah german shepards are very well known for being nasty shits

Jeanwah

donnaruhl wrote:

I don't even know how to reply to this.There was a German Shepard that took a sleeping infant over the back side of the couch that it was on... The parent's couldn't find the baby and had thought somebody had taken it. A German Shepard also bit a chunk of cheek out of my Nephew's face ,when He reached into the food dish to get some food to hand feed the dog. A friend's Shepard mauled a little boy's face,When the dog woke to find the kid next to him.The little Boy would walk by the house every day and shove sticks through the fence at the dog.My friend's were unaware of this.So one day their son invited the little boy over to watch T.V. When the Dog woke up,He attacked the boy. My friend took his dog of many years out back and shot him. It could be any dog that's capable of doing such harm. I just want to understand why so many dog's? Were they fighting dog's? Was it a mill?So many thing's could have been done differently,And that's something that they're going to have to live with for the rest of their lives.Don't want to judge or point finger's,Because they'll be doing enough of that themselves.

What I highlighted is the point people are missing in this thread. It's not just pit bulls, rottweilers or shepards. Dogs bite. They have some kind of natural instinct to attack. I'm tire of the pitbulls getting blamed when ANY dog can and does attack. What's lost is the respect that dogs are not completely tame and that we should be more aware of this and know that they are territorial and prone to attack when their instinct tells them to. They also smell fear, another precaution people and owners need to understand. People need to know this before accidents happen.

pandora

First of all children should never be around a dogs food bowl when they are eating
unless this is the person who consistently feeds the dog daily and trust is there.

Second a child should never put their face in the face of dog ... always an arms length
with time for the dog to smell the child's hand. Always adult supervision.

Some dogs some breeds are way cool with kids. Get a good book and find out which.
But even Beagles can be bad with kids. we had one we had to give up...
he was a biter with our small son.
Scotties are known to be not so good with kids but ours was around infants and was fine.
and this is a case where size does not matter. ... sorry had too

I know pit bulls who have children they watch and the yard is full of neighborhood kids.
Dogs are individuals. We are their people and we must be the alpha dog. They learn
what we expect. Parents must teach children and dog owners must teach dogs.

Just get down there and bite them in the neck show them who's boss... Lucy loves that

chadwick

guaranteed if a beagel comes at me im going to laugh or kick it in the ass & be on my way.
guaranteed if a rat terrior or fox terrier comes at me i will laugh or kick it in the ass & be on my way
guaranteed if a pitbull, rottwieler, or german shepard comes at me i will not laugh & i am in most cases screwed & will be trying to be prepared for the attack & fight.

guaranteed if a lab, collie, or golden retriever comes at me it means they wanna fetch up a stick i am walking with

Jeanwah

chadwick wrote:

guaranteed if a lab, collie, or golden retriever comes at me it means they wanna fetch up a stick i am walking with

If you're wearing any kind of uniform, you cannot assume any dog is gonna want to play fetch. If you have any fear towards dogs, they'll know, they wont want to play fetch with you. If you're in his/her territory, that dog may just turn on you when you least expect it.

donnaruhl

My friend's up north had hunting Pit's. They would drop the wild boar,and Clarence would shoot it.These Dog's were 135 and 140lbs. And their daughter Lacy would jump on them like they were a trampoline,pull them by their ear's,their tail's,etc... If they had enough,They would get up and walk away. But I'm sure it's allot different when you have a pack of them.

chadwick

Jeanwah wrote:

chadwick wrote:

guaranteed if a lab, collie, or golden retriever comes at me it means they wanna fetch up a stick i am walking with

If you're wearing any kind of uniform, you cannot assume any dog is gonna want to play fetch. If you have any fear towards dogs, they'll know, they wont want to play fetch with you. If you're in his/her territory, that dog may just turn on you when you least expect it.

almost all (something like 91% of all) pitbulls should be strung up & fed to great whites

donnaruhl

pandora wrote:

First of all children should never be around a dogs food bowl when they are eating
unless this is the person who consistently feeds the dog daily and trust is there.

Second a child should never put their face in the face of dog ... always an arms length
with time for the dog to smell the child's hand. Always adult supervision.

Some dogs some breeds are way cool with kids. Get a good book and find out which.
But even Beagles can be bad with kids. we had one we had to give up...
he was a biter with our small son.
Scotties are known to be not so good with kids but ours was around infants and was fine.
and this is a case where size does not matter. ... sorry had too

I know pit bulls who have children they watch and the yard is full of neighborhood kids.
Dogs are individuals. We are their people and we must be the alpha dog. They learn
what we expect. Parents must teach children and dog owners must teach dogs.

Just get down there and bite them in the neck show them who's boss... Lucy loves that

I hear you Pandora, Shit happen's! I'm just saying.

Jeanwah

chadwick wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

chadwick wrote:

guaranteed if a lab, collie, or golden retriever comes at me it means they wanna fetch up a stick i am walking with

If you're wearing any kind of uniform, you cannot assume any dog is gonna want to play fetch. If you have any fear towards dogs, they'll know, they wont want to play fetch with you. If you're in his/her territory, that dog may just turn on you when you least expect it.

almost all (something like 91% of all) pitbulls should be strung up & fed to great whites

It's not fair to go after one breed. Some owners are very good at keeping their pits in line and they can be loving based on its training. It doesn't mean accidents will never happen but going after one breed is not the answer. That said, a pack of 9 of them? That was just asking for trouble, right there...

Cosmo

All dogs are desended from the Wolf. By nature, they tend to run in pack. That is their nature.
Humans have domesticated the dog and the human/dog bond has grown to be pretty strong... but, only as long as the human plays the dominant role in the relationship.
That said, I believe all dog owners need to be held responsible for the actions of their dogs. I don't care what breed the dog is, if the dog causes harm, the owner needs to be held fully responsible and accountable because the human is the leading and reasoning half of this relationship.
...
How about outfitting the owner with a non-removable electric shock collar for a year or two and everytime they think something stupid, they get shocked?

donnaruhl

donnaruhl wrote:

My friend's up north had hunting Pit's. They would drop the wild boar,and Clarence would shoot it.These Dog's were 135 and 140lbs. And their daughter Lacy would jump on them like they were a trampoline,pull them by their ear's,their tail's,etc... If they had enough,They would get up and walk away. But I'm sure it's allot different when you have a pack of them.

Like I said...

chadwick

a pack of pits in one backyard means only one thing; the people holding them there are idiots & the problem gets worse because they had a small child in the home. idiots, idiots & more fucking mindless assholes are present at said pitbull corrol

fair? life aint fucking fair. just ask the tiny child mauled to death because her stupid shit parents held 247 pitbulls in their backyard

Jeanwah

Cosmo wrote:

All dogs are desended from the Wolf. By nature, they tend to run in pack. That is their nature.
Humans have domesticated the dog and the human/dog bond has grown to be pretty strong... but, only as long as the human plays the dominant role in the relationship.
That said, I believe all dog owners need to be held responsible for the actions of their dogs. I don't care what breed the dog is, if the dog causes harm, the owner needs to be held fully responsible and accountable because the human is the leading and reasoning half of this relationship.
...
How about outfitting the owner with a non-removable electric shock collar for a year or two and everytime they think something stupid, they get shocked?

I don't know. I disagree that as long as the human owner stays dominant that nothing will ever happen. Dogs are not fully tame. They just aren't. Owners and potential owners need to know that dogs cannot be fully trusted 100% of the time regardless if the owner is present or not. There's a lack of real respect that the dog will not act on instinct ever.

It's like owning a wolf, say. I've known people who have. The one wolf I got to see towered over me when he had his front legs up on top of his fence. People know that owning a wolf is dangerous regardless of taking care of it since it was a pup, say, or he/she seems docile. People should know this going into dog ownership.

I'm not sure about owners being fully to blame either. You can't control your dog 100% of the time, but if a child gets killed someone has to pay the consequences.

chadwick

i gave up several different phythons, boas, monitors, rattlesnakes & iguanas & all the aquariums, enclosures & things when my brothers started bringing kids into this world. "to be smart i guess the critters gotta go"

little samantha & ethan do not deserve to be bitten or ate.

there aint a dog on the planet i'd allow in the home with my child under 8 or 10 years of age. those are the facts, ladies & gentlemen.

these people in this story are hillbillies, slow-minded, selfish, useless & cruel. those people actually caused their childs death full on.

chadwick

i'd bet a million bucks that a full blooded wolf is kinder to a child than a pitbull or any other tame ass dog. seems wolves love new borns & the entire pack is excited. wolves' IQs are only 67% higher than a dumb ass dog or some shit

donnaruhl

chadwick wrote:

i gave up several different phythons, boas, monitors, rattlesnakes & iguanas & all the aquariums, enclosures & things when my brothers started bringing kids into this world. "to be smart i guess the critters gotta go"

little samantha & ethan do not deserve to be bitten or ate.

there aint a dog on the planet i'd allow in the home with my child under 8 or 10 years of age. those are the facts, ladies & gentlemen.

these people in this story are hillbillies, slow-minded, selfish, useless & cruel. those people actually caused their childs death full on.

And yes Chadwick, They will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

donnaruhl

chadwick wrote:

i'd bet a million bucks that a full blooded wolf is kinder to a child than a pitbull or any other tame ass dog. seems wolves love new borns & the entire pack is excited. wolves' IQs are only 67% higher than a dumb ass dog or some shit

I had a Mother and Daughter Wolf-Shepard mix.Lived to be 18-17yrs. They weren't to cool with rabbit's or chickens,But they were the best dog's ever.

Cosmo

Jeanwah wrote:

I don't know. I disagree that as long as the human owner stays dominant that nothing will ever happen. Dogs are not fully tame. They just aren't. Owners and potential owners need to know that dogs cannot be fully trusted 100% of the time regardless if the owner is present or not. There's a lack of real respect that the dog will not act on instinct ever.

It's like owning a wolf, say. I've known people who have. The one wolf I got to see towered over me when he had his front legs up on top of his fence. People know that owning a wolf is dangerous regardless of taking care of it since it was a pup, say, or he/she seems docile. People should know this going into dog ownership.

I'm not sure about owners being fully to blame either. You can't control your dog 100% of the time, but if a child gets killed someone has to pay the consequences.

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The Human STILL needs to be responsible and accountable for the actions of their pet dog.
If the dog is not fully tamed, then it is the Human's responsibility to contain the animal from contact with other humans. If someone enters the containment area, that human is responsible (not the owner) for any harm the dog inflicts on them. But, the owner still has the responsibility of fencing in the dog and posting warnings to stay out.
As for owning a wolf... there is no owning a wolf. People have tried, unsuccessfully, to nuture a wolf cub into a domestic pet, but when the animal reaches a year or so, it reverts to it's natural instincts. It would have to be a process of selective breeding of certain wolves... the ones who are the most tame with other wolves showing the 'tame' gene, through several generations to attempt to domesticate the wolf... and even then, you will probably fail.
Check out the Silver Foxes in Russia.. it is an intersting example of selective breeding and gives us an insight on how humans might have first come to domesticate the wolf to the dog.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... tliff-text

hedonist

Jeanwah wrote:

What I highlighted is the point people are missing in this thread. It's not just pit bulls, rottweilers or shepards. Dogs bite. They have some kind of natural instinct to attack. I'm tire of the pitbulls getting blamed when ANY dog can and does attack. What's lost is the respect that dogs are not completely tame and that we should be more aware of this and know that they are territorial and prone to attack when their instinct tells them to. They also smell fear, another precaution people and owners need to understand. People need to know this before accidents happen.

Totally support this and applaud it.

Also taking into mind a dog's loyalty and need/instinct to protect (part of the territorialism you mentioned).