Family Pit Bulls Kill Child

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Also, just because this cannot be stressed enough, having nine pitbulls in any home is insane. In a home with small children it is criminally insane.

agreed.

Yes.
Although, one could have killed her too. I thinks it's insane to keep ANY pit bullls when you have small children around. EVERY time there is an attack the owner expresses surprise and talks about how the dog's never done anything like that. The little girl where I live was sincerely told by the owner that her dog was safe around children, but just to keep their small dog away from it. Imagine her surprise when it tried to kill the little girl. Dog must have just been having an off day. :roll:

JimmyV

PJ_Soul wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Here's Sweety Pie. The family dog that broke free from daughter's control, blitzed after a baby seal on the beach, and killed it in a rage.

3 Things:

1. Yes. I know this is a domesticated, wild animal, sought for family company that just did what it does- kill things in predatory fashion.

2. Note the way the dog adheres to the owners commands and ignores the whacks over the head as it seeks to induce carnage. Imagine those jaws locked on a child... just ripping away and shredding tissue.

3. I have seen tons of dogs be playful with animals they come across at the beach and in the forest. This is not typical dog behaviour no matter what anyone wishes to retort with to the contrary. This is typical pitbull behaviour.

Brutal video... so if you are squeamish watching pitbulls kill baby seals... then don't watch it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -lion.html

Way to go, champions... way to go! Wreak havoc on the beach with your hell-hound.

Nice pet. Geezuz. Why not just own a cougar?

Not going to watch the video because I am sure it is just as horrifying as you describe.

But...I have seen an otherwise loveable beagle murder a squirrel. My own dog would like nothing more than to get off leash and hunt down the many rabbits in our yard. They don't always play nice with other animals.

And cats do the same. The difference is that most dog breeds that are kept as pets don't have a tendency to try and eat humans! That sucks for the baby seal, but that just isn't the same thing. Trying to compare pit bulls to other breeds (except a couple of other ones simulate to them), as thpugh they are the same as far as aggression levels go, makes no sense at all. It comes of as compete denial IMO. Or, really, it's just a bunk argent that people keep making because they can't come up with a truly good argument to defend pit bull ownership.

Not saying they are the same, am not in complete denial, and am not peddling bunk arguments. Did I cover everything?

If these creatures are violent because of their breeding then it is man who did that breeding. I am not willing to write the whole breed off. If, as you say, no one should own pitbulls then the answer is to exterminate the breed entirely. A man made extinction. I would never support that.

Should no one have taken Vick's dogs in? Had they not suffered enough?

I think if you are going to own a pitbull then you need to be smart about it. These people clearly were not.

PJ_Soul

callen wrote:

There's always a balance between ones rights and safety of a society. We should always fight when the government wants to limit what a free human wants to do and or own. This includes dogs.

As to previous posters comment....how many breeds should we ban?

Now I've known pit bulls, have been in contact with them due to visiting other freinds houses that had them. I've had dogs all my life and can say I wouldn't trust a pit ever, no matter the training or perceived temperament.

Sooo solution for rights and protecting society.

If your Pit hurts and or kills you are responsible and you go to fkn jail. If it kills, long prison sentence. Also you have to control your animals, always. No different than owning a lion or bear.

I do question ones mentality of wanting to have this breed but that's my opinion and I could be wrong.

It is a nice idea, but given the attitude of all the defenders of pit bulls, I don't think that tough punishments for owners of dogs that attack people would actually reduce the number of people (or other dogs) being hurt or killed. All these a owners think that they can control their dog, that their pit bull would never hurt anyone.... and then it does anyway. This deluded attitude on the part of pit bull supporters would render such punishments useless, if the intention is to keep people from being hurt.

PJ_Soul

JimmyV wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Not going to watch the video because I am sure it is just as horrifying as you describe.

But...I have seen an otherwise loveable beagle murder a squirrel. My own dog would like nothing more than to get off leash and hunt down the many rabbits in our yard. They don't always play nice with other animals.

And cats do the same. The difference is that most dog breeds that are kept as pets don't have a tendency to try and eat humans! That sucks for the baby seal, but that just isn't the same thing. Trying to compare pit bulls to other breeds (except a couple of other ones simulate to them), as thpugh they are the same as far as aggression levels go, makes no sense at all. It comes of as compete denial IMO. Or, really, it's just a bunk argent that people keep making because they can't come up with a truly good argument to defend pit bull ownership.

Not saying they are the same, am not in complete denial, and am not peddling bunk arguments. Did I cover everything?

If these creatures are violent because of their breeding then it is man who did that breeding. I am not willing to write the whole breed off. If, as you say, no one should own pitbulls then the answer is to exterminate the breed entirely. A man made extinction. I would never support that.

Should no one have taken Vick's dogs in? Had they not suffered enough?

I think if you are going to own a pitbull then you need to be smart about it. These people clearly were not.

I wasn't addressing you directly - was not intending to call you deluded. I meant in general terms.
Smart pit bull owners have also been shocked when their dog up and mauled someone. Also, there is no way to keep idiots from owning them, and the majority of people who willfully choose to get a pit bull ARE idiots. That's why they got the pit bull!
I see nothing wrong with discontinuing the breeding of the animal. There is no cruelty or killing involved. While we're at it, can someone please figure out a way to stop mosquitoes from breeding? That would also be nice.

JimmyV

Painting all pitbull owners with the same brush is a mistake.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/16 ... e-20101117

hedonist

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Killing them?? Who's talking about a mass murder of pit bulls??

You said it should be illegal to own them. So... What did you think would happen to the roughly nine million in existence in America alone? A government-run pittbull haven with toys and games and nappy time?

They would round them up and kill them.

Still have to read the thread beyond this, but I do agree here. It was my first thought in reaction to banning/making them illegal to own.

I've posted about this before, but Danny and his brother had Pitts when they lived in SC. Raised them into sweet, loyal loving dogs. Got a photo on our fridge of their big girl flopped on/around Danny on the couch, nuzzling the hell out of him...it's among my favorites, and a testament to how most animals respond in kind to how they're treated.

PJ_Soul

JimmyV wrote:

Painting all pitbull owners with the same brush is a mistake.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/16 ... e-20101117

I didn't do that. I said the majority are idiots. Not all. The Dog Whisperer is a pit bull rescuer, after all. And either way, it makes no difference.

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Killing them?? Who's talking about a mass murder of pit bulls??

You said it should be illegal to own them. So... What did you think would happen to the roughly nine million in existence in America alone? A government-run pittbull haven with toys and games and nappy time?

They would round them up and kill them.

Still have to read the thread beyond this, but I do agree here. It was my first thought in reaction to banning/making them illegal to own.

I've posted about this before, but Danny and his brother had Pitts when they lived in SC. Raised them into sweet, loyal loving dogs. Got a photo on our fridge of their big girl flopped on/around Danny on the couch, nuzzling the hell out of him...it's among my favorites, and a testament to how most animals respond in kind to how they're treated.

When you read further you'll see that there is no reason to kill any dogs, and the very idea of that sickens me.
I have met very friendly ones too. They've licked my face. That changes absolutely nothing. There are so many stories about the loving pit bull who was great with the kids who turned around one day and attacked said kids. The friendly pit bull stories are irrelevant.

Prince Of Dorkness

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I'm going to disagree with you somewhat. In summary, it appears you are saying that the dog is not dangerous... it's the owner. I have heard this argument from the pro-gun crowd when they defend guns.

WELL no... not exactly. There are many breeds of dog that are less predictable and more aggressive. They come with more responsibility. Anyone who chooses to own a dangerous animal (a scorpion or a tiger, for instance) should also understand that it's their responsibility. We can't blame the animal for their own nature, but we CAN maybe make anyone who chooses a dog like a PittBull or a Rottweiler to be more responsible and have some pretty serious penalties for someone who has a baby that can easily access the pack of 9 aggressive dogs.

JimmyV

PJ_Soul wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Painting all pitbull owners with the same brush is a mistake.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/16 ... e-20101117

I didn't do that. I said most are idiots. Not all. The Dog Whisperer is a pit bull rescuer, after all. And either way, it makes no difference.

I think it does. I don't think most are idiots, although some may be while others may be misguided.

I cannot support the controlled extinction of a breed of dog. Cannot do it. I think the harsh penalties should be used on anyone breeding these dogs for violence, running dog fighting rings, etc. Eliminate that market and these animals will stop being bred for violence. This is a problem man created, but these are living, breathing creatures. I just cannot support wiping them off the face of the earth.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Still have to read the thread beyond this, but I do agree here. It was my first thought in reaction to banning/making them illegal to own.

I've posted about this before, but Danny and his brother had Pitts when they lived in SC. Raised them into sweet, loyal loving dogs. Got a photo on our fridge of their big girl flopped on/around Danny on the couch, nuzzling the hell out of him...it's among my favorites, and a testament to how most animals respond in kind to how they're treated.

When you read further you'll see that there is no reason to kill any dogs, and the very idea of that sickens me.
I have met very friendly ones too. They've licked my face. That changes absolutely nothing. There are so many stories about the loving pit bull who was great with the kids who turned around one day and attacked said kids. The friendly pit bull stories are irrelevant.

I know you're not so heartless and I have read the subsequent posts; but that idea, in essence, is working toward extinction of the breed.

Also, there are many Pitt mixes...how would those be handled?

This isn't a black & white subject, and opens the door / pandora's box on dealing with other supposed undesirables.

PJ_Soul

JimmyV wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Painting all pitbull owners with the same brush is a mistake.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/16 ... e-20101117

I didn't do that. I said most are idiots. Not all. The Dog Whisperer is a pit bull rescuer, after all. And either way, it makes no difference.

I think it does. I don't think most are idiots, although some may be while others may be misguided.

I cannot support the controlled extinction of a breed of dog. Cannot do it. I think the harsh penalties should be used on anyone breeding these dogs for violence, running dog fighting rings, etc. Eliminate that market and these animals will stop being bred for violence. This is a problem man created, but these are living, breathing creatures. I just cannot support wiping them off the face of the earth.

Kay, fair enough I guess? ... I'm not sure why it matters, as long as no animals are suffering. They aren't living, breathing creatures if they were never born. Seems like a romantic notion to want to keep them around jus so that they exist, while having no positive impact on the environment or society. It's not like pit bulls are an important link in the ecological chain like most of the species humans eradicate from the face of the planet, since they are not a part of the natural food chain, since they are domesticated and only kept as pets. Unless you count kids being eaten a part of that chain. I will personally keep my attention on wild animals that are being erridicated, and maintain my support of not breeding domestic pit bulls anymore.

chadwick

smart & kind pitbull owner has dog in a fenced in backyard when the dog jumps the fence or digs a hole under fence launching itself at passersby. pitbull attacks and seriously injures a 67 year old grandma of 17. good luck pitbull owner. this shit happens constantly.

mail carriers in detroit have been attacked & mauled so much that the postal general has banned mail delivery altogether in large square blocks sections at a time. the city of detroit actually has wild dog packs living on its streets. I try and find video

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Still have to read the thread beyond this, but I do agree here. It was my first thought in reaction to banning/making them illegal to own.

I've posted about this before, but Danny and his brother had Pitts when they lived in SC. Raised them into sweet, loyal loving dogs. Got a photo on our fridge of their big girl flopped on/around Danny on the couch, nuzzling the hell out of him...it's among my favorites, and a testament to how most animals respond in kind to how they're treated.

When you read further you'll see that there is no reason to kill any dogs, and the very idea of that sickens me.
I have met very friendly ones too. They've licked my face. That changes absolutely nothing. There are so many stories about the loving pit bull who was great with the kids who turned around one day and attacked said kids. The friendly pit bull stories are irrelevant.

I know you're not so heartless and I have read the subsequent posts; but that idea, in essence, is working toward extinction of the breed.

Also, there are many Pitt mixes...how would those be handled?

This isn't a black & white subject, and opens the door / pandora's box on dealing with other supposed undesirables.

Cross breeds would not be a problem for long without pure breds. Just stopping the breeding of pure bred pit bulls should do the trick. It's not a black and white issue, but I think the solution is actually pretty straightforward. The slippery slope arguments that could be applied here are just distractions from a pretty simple solution.

JimmyV

PJ_Soul wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I think it does. I don't think most are idiots, although some may be while others may be misguided.

I cannot support the controlled extinction of a breed of dog. Cannot do it. I think the harsh penalties should be used on anyone breeding these dogs for violence, running dog fighting rings, etc. Eliminate that market and these animals will stop being bred for violence. This is a problem man created, but these are living, breathing creatures. I just cannot support wiping them off the face of the earth.

Kay, fair enough I guess? ... I'm not sure why it matters, as long as no animals are suffering. They aren't living, breathing creatures if they were never born. Seems like a romantic notion to want to keep them around jus so that they exist, while having no positive impact on the environment or society. It's not like pit bulls are an important link in the ecological chain like most of the species humans eradicate from the face of the planet, since they are not a part of the natural food chain, since they are domesticated and only kept as pets. Unless you count kids being eaten a part of that chain. I will personally keep my attention on wild animals that are being erridicated, and maintain my support of not breeding domestic pit bulls anymore.

It just seems like a slippery slope to me. So many breeds can be labelled as being dangerous. If we start this where does it stop? It feels too much like playing god. Although, I guess the irony is that when these animals are bred for violence that is like playing god too.

PJ_Soul

JimmyV wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I think it does. I don't think most are idiots, although some may be while others may be misguided.

I cannot support the controlled extinction of a breed of dog. Cannot do it. I think the harsh penalties should be used on anyone breeding these dogs for violence, running dog fighting rings, etc. Eliminate that market and these animals will stop being bred for violence. This is a problem man created, but these are living, breathing creatures. I just cannot support wiping them off the face of the earth.

Kay, fair enough I guess? ... I'm not sure why it matters, as long as no animals are suffering. They aren't living, breathing creatures if they were never born. Seems like a romantic notion to want to keep them around jus so that they exist, while having no positive impact on the environment or society. It's not like pit bulls are an important link in the ecological chain like most of the species humans eradicate from the face of the planet, since they are not a part of the natural food chain, since they are domesticated and only kept as pets. Unless you count kids being eaten a part of that chain. I will personally keep my attention on wild animals that are being erridicated, and maintain my support of not breeding domestic pit bulls anymore.

It just seems like a slippery slope to me. So many breeds can be labelled as being dangerous. If we start this where does it stop? It feels too much like playing god. Although, I guess the irony is that when these animals are bred for violence that is like playing god too.

That's funny - just before reading this, I said to hedonist that the slippery slope arguments that could be applied just seem like distractions. I personally think that slippery slope arguments are almost always worthless, and end up being a defensive maneuver rather than an actual indication of what might happen. I think that the case against pit bull ownership is strong enough to stand on its own without creating a slippery slope situation.
And yes, I agree with your last point. It's like those poor pugs. They have been so inbred and manipulated by breeding techniques that they are actually suffering just by being alive. Once human breeding comes into the picture, I think that the poetic value of the animals' existence becomes moot.

JimmyV

PJ_Soul wrote:

That's funny - just before reading this, I said to hedonist that the slippery slope arguments that could be applied just seem like distractions. I personally think that slippery slope arguments are almost always worthless, and end up being a defensive maneuver rather than an actual indication of what might happen. I think that the case against pit bull ownership is strong enough to stand on its own without creating a slippery slope situation.

In many cases I would agree. In this case however the argument is "This breed is violent, lets eliminate it." The case is not against pitbull ownership, it is against pitbull existence. That is a big difference. Many types of animals are violent so the slope seems very real.

chadwick

http://youtu.be/TLqjKd627nE
detroit dog fighting rings
do not watch this if bloody dogs upset you
this is graphic & put out there by news fox 2 Detroit

this is not the Detroit wild dogs video I was speaking of earlier
these ppl in Detroit whom are involved with this grizzly act deserve to die

they actually have contraptions that pin a female pitbull down so she cannot move & be force bred by a male pit & the list goes on of cruel acts. pitbull tredmills, finding strays off the street & allowing pitbull fighter dogs to tear the dog apart. these people are disgusting

hedonist

I refuse to watch that shit. And again it points more toward the pieces of shit who make that kind of shit in the clip possible.

No problem whatsoever having the people involved in this punished.

chadwick

then someone is walking down the sidewalk & a fighter pitbull sees them coming. what the fuck do you think is going to happen? it is true ppl have destroyed this breed. they may not all be dangerous but a huge % are out of control & people are cruel idiots.

some of those Detroit dog fighter guys say they are making 30 grand a month sporting dog fights. I myself could not get into dog fighting if it paid me 3 trillion dollars a day. some people have zero heart & do not care about anything but themselves making bank & the sick thrill of a bloody ass dog fight