Minimum wage hike voted down...

Last-12-Exit

Jason P wrote:

I think this vote is part of the Democrat’s massively successful plan to value perception over policy to the general public. They know the raise is unsustainable in the eyes of the GOP and that it would be blocked.

Hence they are the heroes for doing essentially nothing. This was the essence of the 2012 campaign. Public perception meant more than public policy.

Genius. Pure genius.

Not a bad thought.

gimmesometruth27

Last-12-Exit wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

anyone arguing that raising the minimum wage would destroy business need look no further than costco.

Costco is a huge corporation that can (and does) pay their employees well. Johnson's landscaping, on the other hand, is not a huge corporation. So 1 of 2 things would happen, they lay off employees or shut down.

how about they just drum up more business. why not generate more income by raising your prices some?

if they were that good, wouldn't more people want to be their clients/customers?

Jeanwah

Jason P wrote:

I think this vote is part of the Democrat’s massively successful plan to value perception over policy to the general public. They know the raise is unsustainable in the eyes of the GOP and that it would be blocked.

Hence they are the heroes for doing essentially nothing. This was the essence of the 2012 campaign. Public perception meant more than public policy.

Genius. Pure genius.

Yeah, it's genius to attempt to get things right when the other party refuses everything that comes to the table.

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

anyone arguing that raising the minimum wage would destroy business need look no further than costco.

Costco is a huge corporation that can (and does) pay their employees well. Johnson's landscaping, on the other hand, is not a huge corporation. So 1 of 2 things would happen, they lay off employees or shut down.

how about they just drum up more business. why not generate more income by raising your prices some?

if they were that good, wouldn't more people want to be their clients/customers?

That sounds reasonable. I hate to say it though, but I think the American public is too used to everything being cheap (which is why we all have more crap than we need) and are quite willing to let somebody perform the service domestically for near-slave wages or produce the goods overseas in what is often a true state of slavery.

We would do well to get used to paying more for quality items- be it food or goods- produced by people who are treated with respect and paid a wage on which they can live reasonably well.

Last-12-Exit

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

anyone arguing that raising the minimum wage would destroy business need look no further than costco.

Costco is a huge corporation that can (and does) pay their employees well. Johnson's landscaping, on the other hand, is not a huge corporation. So 1 of 2 things would happen, they lay off employees or shut down.

how about they just drum up more business. why not generate more income by raising your prices some?

if they were that good, wouldn't more people want to be their clients/customers?

Wow, I wonder if other businesses have thought of that business plan.

mikepegg44

brianlux wrote:

You know, it just occurred to me that we could have two wage scales: A living wage (sorry, I like that term) for those who need to live off those wages, and a wage learning experience scale for teenagers living at home or retirees trying to stretch their fixed income a little. Why not?

In your scenario, I think we see teens and the elderly employed in living wage jobs. Especially if they were cheaper.

I like Jeanwah's point earlier about tax breaks. Give companies tax breaks for hiring locally, although then people would bitch about corporations not paying enough taxes

Jeanwah

Last-12-Exit wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

Costco is a huge corporation that can (and does) pay their employees well. Johnson's landscaping, on the other hand, is not a huge corporation. So 1 of 2 things would happen, they lay off employees or shut down.

how about they just drum up more business. why not generate more income by raising your prices some?

if they were that good, wouldn't more people want to be their clients/customers?

Wow, I wonder if other businesses have thought of that business plan.

Successful business owners are savvy enough to find ways of making things work while taking care of their employees. And if you come to a dead end? Time to sell.

Jeanwah

mikepegg44 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

You know, it just occurred to me that we could have two wage scales: A living wage (sorry, I like that term) for those who need to live off those wages, and a wage learning experience scale for teenagers living at home or retirees trying to stretch their fixed income a little. Why not?

In your scenario, I think we see teens and the elderly employed in living wage jobs. Especially if they were cheaper.

I like Jeanwah's point earlier about tax breaks. Give companies tax breaks for hiring locally, although then people would bitch about corporations not paying enough taxes

Although I think this is a great idea, republicans would never allow it. It would definitely get thrown out. And there's corps out there that pay no taxes at all.

MotoDC

Jeanwah wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The fucking clown who makes my coffee at Dunkin Donuts, who for 5 years cant cant my order correct.
That fucking clown does not deserve a $6k a year raise.
Either does the other clown I deal with, behind the counter of the gas station.

So that clown doesn't deserve to be able to afford housing? Food? electricity?

Not on one salary, no. Back when I had crap for income, I lived in crap housing with roommates. We split housing, electric, food. I didn't buy flat screen TVs or new computers or ipads every other year. I drove a used car and shopped at discount men's clothiers. I didn't take trips/vacations further than I could drive in a few hours and when I did, we had more people than I care to admit piled into the hotel room.

gimmesometruth27

Last-12-Exit wrote:

Wow, I wonder if other businesses have thought of that business plan.

:roll:

i think you know what i am getting at.

MotoDC

Jason P wrote:

I think this vote is part of the Democrat’s massively successful plan to value perception over policy to the general public. They know the raise is unsustainable in the eyes of the GOP and that it would be blocked.

Hence they are the heroes for doing essentially nothing. This was the essence of the 2012 campaign. Public perception meant more than public policy.

Genius. Pure genius.

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Last-12-Exit

We are moving off topic. Botttom line is that the government should not be telling business owners, large or small, how they should pay employees. If you want a higher paying job, do something about it. Go out and look for a betterjob. Acquire the skills needed to qualify yourself for a higher paying job.

I know this isn't possible for everyone. But it is for a lot of people. For many food stamp recipients, a minimum wage increase means less food stamps. And we can't have that.

chadwick

MotoDC wrote:

Not on one salary, no. Back when I had crap for income, I lived in crap housing with roommates. We split housing, electric, food. I didn't buy flat screen TVs or new computers or ipads every other year. I drove a used car and shopped at discount men's clothiers. I didn't take trips/vacations further than I could drive in a few hours and when I did, we had more people than I care to admit piled into the hotel room.

19 people up in one hotel room?

love your post

Abuskedti

MotoDC wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I think this vote is part of the Democrat’s massively successful plan to value perception over policy to the general public. They know the raise is unsustainable in the eyes of the GOP and that it would be blocked.

Hence they are the heroes for doing essentially nothing. This was the essence of the 2012 campaign. Public perception meant more than public policy.

Genius. Pure genius.

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Bout time they got smart like that. GOP has been doing for decades with things like Abortion and small government

MotoDC

chadwick wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Not on one salary, no. Back when I had crap for income, I lived in crap housing with roommates. We split housing, electric, food. I didn't buy flat screen TVs or new computers or ipads every other year. I drove a used car and shopped at discount men's clothiers. I didn't take trips/vacations further than I could drive in a few hours and when I did, we had more people than I care to admit piled into the hotel room.

19 people up in one hotel room?

love your post

Haha man that would be a scene. The most I can recall was maybe 8-10 people (mix of girls and guys :shock: ) in a single motel room w/ two double beds. And you know what? I remember those vacations as fondly as the fancy 5star ones I've taken since. It's all about perspective.

MotoDC

Abuskedti wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I think this vote is part of the Democrat’s massively successful plan to value perception over policy to the general public. They know the raise is unsustainable in the eyes of the GOP and that it would be blocked.

Hence they are the heroes for doing essentially nothing. This was the essence of the 2012 campaign. Public perception meant more than public policy.

Genius. Pure genius.

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Bout time they got smart like that. GOP has been doing for decades with things like Abortion and small government

:shock: The GOP would NEVER.

They are all some sneaky bastids ain't they.

pandora

I love advice from people who don't own a business, I mean really :?
Maybe they stayed at a Holiday Inn or something...
Like people who think printing is a thing of the past. Have you looked around?
Wonder in a days span how often a person runs into something that is printed....
it's everywhere you go.

chadwick

MotoDC wrote:

Haha man that would be a scene. The most I can recall was maybe 8-10 people (mix of girls and guys :shock: ) in a single motel room w/ two double beds. And you know what? I remember those vacations as fondly as the fancy 5star ones I've taken since. It's all about perspective.

people who suck won't allow you to erect a clothesline nor would they ever in 32 billion years ever sleep 42 people per room at some shitty ass motel. they would however own 17 high dollar cars, go safari hunting and kill rhinos & giraffes & they'd be buying their 9th home while someone flips burgers

suck my bastards, im hanging my clothes in my backyard & im working at god damn wendy's @ $2.99 hourly. see the uniform?

VINNY GOOMBA

Should unpaid internships be illegal?

What about someone attending college or graduate school who is part of a research team that works for free under a paid professor? In this case, a person actually pays to work.

Anyone who has ever been in a band is familiar with the term "pay to play." 99% of us have done exactly this at one time or another with mixed results. Sometimes it's a waste of time and money, sometimes it's simply a great experience, other times it serves to make great connections with other people in the industry which may pay off down the road.

Minimum wage or no minimum wage law, people often work for less than the minimum wage, sometimes for free, and sometimes they even pay to work. Like business owners who have to take risks, spend money, and make investments to prosper in the long run, workers must also spend money on education or time working or learning often times for free or at a loss financially.

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how about they just drum up more business. why not generate more income by raising your prices some?

if they were that good, wouldn't more people want to be their clients/customers?

Bottom line is $$$ we have to bid everything we get...
quote the job and hope we come in the lowest.
There are few customers now, not like the 90's. who are not bottom dollar.
It cuts into their own bottom dollar their own bread and better and so on.

You have to be good, no margin for mistakes, with great customer service, good product,
at the lowest price. Raise your prices most customers will look elsewhere.
Might not be back.

Drum up more business? ...
in a slow economy everyone cuts back so that is not always a feasible option.
They do less, less often, want to know how they can do it cheaper.
We have watched many a printer close it's doors in the last 20 years,
some very fine business owners at that.