Minimum wage hike voted down...

pandora

Of course our employees have skilled labor wages in the 20's and they deserve this.
Do I think unskilled labor should be anywhere near that no.
Do I think 10$ and hour reasonable for minimum wage ... yes but not in the economy we have now.

How about we get an administration in office who cares about business
and helps business flourish so it can afford to raise wages. Pretty simple really.

JimmyV

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The poor struggling minimum wage workers, who are entightled to a $6k a year raise. So says the government.
While for the last 7 years, the skilled, trained worker, has been facing layoffs, paycuts, and job loss.

It is a valid point.

Last-12-Exit

brianlux wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

That's where this comes in: "if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage with benefits it can be argued that you have no business being in business."

I totally agree. I can't understand why anybody even thinks they should be in business if they can't afford to pay living wages- unless they are in the slave business. And I do not exaggerate.

When did the phrase living wages come into play? It sounds like a phrase derived from the far left when somebody realized minimum wage wasn't a strong enough term. I know its off topic, but I seriously think its silly.

Jeanwah

pandora wrote:

Of course our employees have skilled labor wages in the 20's and they deserve this.
Do I think unskilled labor should be anywhere near that no.
Do I think 10$ and hour reasonable for minimum wage ... yes but not in the economy we have now.

How about we get an administration in office who cares about business
and helps business flourish so it can afford to raise wages. Pretty simple really.

How about we get an administration that cares about people trying to make ends meet? That's what the increase in minimum wage is about.

What's more important - business, or ensuring that we all can put bread on the table, afford housing, electricity and water and take care of a family?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

JimmyV wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The poor struggling minimum wage workers, who are entightled to a $6k a year raise. So says the government.
While for the last 7 years, the skilled, trained worker, has been facing layoffs, paycuts, and job loss.

It is a valid point.

The fucking clown who makes my coffee at Dunkin Donuts, who for 5 years cant cant my order correct.
That fucking clown does not deserve a $6k a year raise.
Either does the other clown I deal with, behind the counter of the gas station.

Jeanwah

JimmyV wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The poor struggling minimum wage workers, who are entightled to a $6k a year raise. So says the government.
While for the last 7 years, the skilled, trained worker, has been facing layoffs, paycuts, and job loss.

It is a valid point.

The answer? Stop giving tax breaks for companies that export jobs. You can thank the republicans for keeping that bill in place...

Jeanwah

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The poor struggling minimum wage workers, who are entightled to a $6k a year raise. So says the government.
While for the last 7 years, the skilled, trained worker, has been facing layoffs, paycuts, and job loss.

It is a valid point.

The fucking clown who makes my coffee at Dunkin Donuts, who for 5 years cant cant my order correct.
That fucking clown does not deserve a $6k a year raise.
Either does the other clown I deal with, behind the counter of the gas station.

So that clown doesn't deserve to be able to afford housing? Food? electricity?

Last-12-Exit

Jeanwah wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

That's where this comes in: "if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage with benefits it can be argued that you have no business being in business."

I totally agree. I can't understand why anybody even thinks they should be in business if they can't afford to pay living wages- unless they are in the slave business. And I do not exaggerate.

Yeah. Since when are adults supposed to be earning minimum wage to support a family anyway? Minimum wage is for teens, not the older generation with a family to support. Don't go into business if all you're thinking about is profits, and not your adult employees' welfare.

If you are an unskilled worker, you deserve minimum wage. It doesn't matter if your 18 or 48. And in that case, an argument can be that you have no business trying to support a family.

brianlux

Last-12-Exit wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

That's where this comes in: "if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage with benefits it can be argued that you have no business being in business."

I totally agree. I can't understand why anybody even thinks they should be in business if they can't afford to pay living wages- unless they are in the slave business. And I do not exaggerate.

When did the phrase living wages come into play? It sounds like a phrase derived from the far left when somebody realized minimum wage wasn't a strong enough term. I know its off topic, but I seriously think its silly.

"Living wage" means you can live off it. Minimum wage means you can't. I'll take the so-called "far-left" perspective in this case.

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The poor struggling minimum wage workers, who are entightled to a $6k a year raise. So says the government.
While for the last 7 years, the skilled, trained worker, has been facing layoffs, paycuts, and job loss.

It is a valid point.

The fucking clown who makes my coffee at Dunkin Donuts, who for 5 years cant cant my order correct.
That fucking clown does not deserve a $6k a year raise.
Either does the other clown I deal with, behind the counter of the gas station.

A "fucking clown" makes this crap... but you eat it? I don't get that.

pandora

Business is the bread and butter for our working people. It is not one or the other.
We need government policy that promotes an economy of growth, that helps business.
If we had that we would have a minimum wage of 10$ per hour.

And then there are the fools you see on Sunday morning talk shows
saying the minimum wage should be $22.00 an hour....
say what ... wtf! Ridiculous notions.

pandora

what :shock: Dunkin Donuts coffee is very good ...
I make it at home.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Jeanwah wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The fucking clown who makes my coffee at Dunkin Donuts, who for 5 years cant cant my order correct.
That fucking clown does not deserve a $6k a year raise.
Either does the other clown I deal with, behind the counter of the gas station.

So that clown doesn't deserve to be able to afford housing? Food? electricity?

That clown should work on learning some skills, so he no longer has to work at a coffee shop for a living, earning minimum wage.
When you were 18 and earning minimum wage, I have a feeling that housing, food and electricity were not in your thoughts. Right or Wrong?

tvismyfriend

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The fucking clown who makes my coffee at Dunkin Donuts, who for 5 years cant cant my order correct.
That fucking clown does not deserve a $6k a year raise.
Either does the other clown I deal with, behind the counter of the gas station.

So that clown doesn't deserve to be able to afford housing? Food? electricity?

That clown should work on learning some skills, so he no longer has to work at a coffee shop for a living, earning minimum wage.
When you were 18 and earning minimum wage, I have a feeling that housing, food and electricity were not in your thoughts. Right or Wrong?

So you're suggestion is for the clown that can't learn how to make your coffee to go out and learn some skills? You want the guy that can't get you're double double right out there building homes or operating heavy machinery?

chadwick

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The fucking clown who makes my coffee at Dunkin Donuts, who for 5 years cant cant my order correct.
That fucking clown does not deserve a $6k a year raise.
Either does the other clown I deal with, behind the counter of the gas station.

cant cant what?

mikepegg44

Jeanwah wrote:

That's where this comes in: "if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage with benefits it can be argued that you have no business being in business."

Mom and Pop's who have an employee who works 20 hours a week gets 2900 in a raise from this. That is an awesome raise. That is a lot of money, especially for some businesses that may be just starting or are struggling through a recession.

Jesus...the arrogance of that statement. Not accusing you of arrogance Jeanwah, but that statement is not well thought out IMHO. What about the person who gets 2900 but is no longer eligible for 5000 worth of benefits from the gov't. they are in worse shape because of their "raise"...

do people honestly think that raising the minimum wage can happen without negative consequences? or are those negatives not worth considering?

brianlux

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The fucking clown who makes my coffee at Dunkin Donuts, who for 5 years cant cant my order correct.
That fucking clown does not deserve a $6k a year raise.
Either does the other clown I deal with, behind the counter of the gas station.

So that clown doesn't deserve to be able to afford housing? Food? electricity?

That clown should work on learning some skills, so he no longer has to work at a coffee shop for a living, earning minimum wage.
When you were 18 and earning minimum wage, I have a feeling that housing, food and electricity were not in your thoughts. Right or Wrong?

Well, actually food and electricity, among other things, were very much on my mind when I was 18 and earning minimum wages. I distinctly remember using my last dollar- an old silver dollar my Grandmother had given me- to buy a pack of cigarettes and another time when all I had to eat for two days was rice and ketchup. But I was still a fucking clown at that point in my life.

chadwick

CH156378 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage with benefits it can be argued that you have no business being in business.

+1

+2

brianlux

mikepegg44 wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

That's where this comes in: "if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage with benefits it can be argued that you have no business being in business."

Mom and Pop's who have an employee who works 20 hours a week gets 2900 in a raise from this. That is an awesome raise. That is a lot of money, especially for some businesses that may be just starting or are struggling through a recession.

Jesus...the arrogance of that statement. Not accusing you of arrogance Jeanwah, but that statement is not well thought out IMHO. What about the person who gets 2900 but is no longer eligible for 5000 worth of benefits from the gov't. they are in worse shape because of their "raise"...

do people honestly think that raising the minimum wage can happen without negative consequences? or are those negatives not worth considering?

You know, it just occurred to me that we could have two wage scales: A living wage (sorry, I like that term) for those who need to live off those wages, and a wage learning experience scale for teenagers living at home or retirees trying to stretch their fixed income a little. Why not?

JimmyV

mikepegg44 wrote:

do people honestly think that raising the minimum wage can happen without negative consequences? or are those negatives not worth considering?

Their certainly would be consequences. It is not the cut and dry issue it appears to be at first glance.

Jason P

I think this vote is part of the Democrat’s massively successful plan to value perception over policy to the general public. They know the raise is unsustainable in the eyes of the GOP and that it would be blocked.

Hence they are the heroes for doing essentially nothing. This was the essence of the 2012 campaign. Public perception meant more than public policy.

Genius. Pure genius.