Survivor Caramoan Season 26

Kel Varnsen

smanchac1 wrote:

Russel should have won twice. When he didn't that was the beginning of the end.

When I read comments about how Russel should have won twice it makes me laugh. Russel winning would be like a team winning the Superbowl that doesn't understand the concept of what a touchdown is. Russel had no idea of the concept of a social game and the fact that the people you vote out actually have to choose you. In the first two seasons it seemed like at least a few time he was screwing people over just to screw them over without thinking about strategy or game play. His lack of understanding of how the game works was especially blatant the second time when he came in 3rd to two previous winners who actually did understand that concept (including probably the best social game player ever in Parvati).

RKCNDY

I ♥ you Brenda!

PJ_Soul

RKCNDY wrote:

I ♥ you Brenda!

I loved that Brenda made her do that! Can't stand Dawn.

So glad Cochran won!

Also, Malcolm cannot act.

smanchac1

RKCNDY wrote:

I ♥ you Brenda!

Best. Photo. Ever.

smanchac1

Kel Varnsen wrote:

smanchac1 wrote:

Russel should have won twice. When he didn't that was the beginning of the end.

When I read comments about how Russel should have won twice it makes me laugh. Russel winning would be like a team winning the Superbowl that doesn't understand the concept of what a touchdown is. Russel had no idea of the concept of a social game and the fact that the people you vote out actually have to choose you. In the first two seasons it seemed like at least a few time he was screwing people over just to screw them over without thinking about strategy or game play. His lack of understanding of how the game works was especially blatant the second time when he came in 3rd to two previous winners who actually did understand that concept (including probably the best social game player ever in Parvati).

You sound like a bitter jury member.

Russel played the game to the fullest. Who cares who he steps on.
He accomplished his goal of getting to the end, which is the over all goal, twice. In a row. It was only once people observed his gameplay outside of the game that they realized they couldn't trust him. And you can't trust him because he will throw anyone out of the way to get to the end. The only way to get a shot a million dollars is to get to the end.

When you play a video game, cards, any competitive game, do you not win your hand because you care about your opponent? I doubt you would take people's feelings into account when a million dollars are on the line.

Russell used lies and deception to accomplish this goal. This is encouraged and not against the rules. The goal is to outwit, outlast, and outplay. He did that by far in his first two seasons. The only reason he lost is because of bitter jury members.

What did Natalie do in her first season? She didn't win a bunch of competitions, she didn't make bold decisions, she did nothing but ride russels coattails. The only reason she won is because she didn't make people as mad as Russell. Between the two, everyone was upset because russel lied to their face. But in a game designed this way, to out wit, that's how you get there.

Second time Russell did everything he had to do, even beat Brett in the final challenge. The only reason Parvati won is because the jury was alot of girls who were again bitter that Russell played all of them.

If you thought he was bad, and That this season was good... You really should watch early season like season 13, 10,11. Season 5. The current seasons are pitiful compared to what the game started as. This used to be my favorite show, I have every season and have seen most multiple times. This last season was pitiful, the final three are dawn, Sherri, and Cochran??

I would have rather seen Phillip win... And that's saying ALOT.

JK_Livin

smanchac1 wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

smanchac1 wrote:

Russel should have won twice. When he didn't that was the beginning of the end.

When I read comments about how Russel should have won twice it makes me laugh. Russel winning would be like a team winning the Superbowl that doesn't understand the concept of what a touchdown is. Russel had no idea of the concept of a social game and the fact that the people you vote out actually have to choose you. In the first two seasons it seemed like at least a few time he was screwing people over just to screw them over without thinking about strategy or game play. His lack of understanding of how the game works was especially blatant the second time when he came in 3rd to two previous winners who actually did understand that concept (including probably the best social game player ever in Parvati).

You sound like a bitter jury member.

Russel played the game to the fullest. Who cares who he steps on.
He accomplished his goal of getting to the end, which is the over all goal, twice. In a row. It was only once people observed his gameplay outside of the game that they realized they couldn't trust him. And you can't trust him because he will throw anyone out of the way to get to the end. The only way to get a shot a million dollars is to get to the end.

When you play a video game, cards, any competitive game, do you not win your hand because you care about your opponent? I doubt you would take people's feelings into account when a million dollars are on the line.

Russell used lies and deception to accomplish this goal. This is encouraged and not against the rules. The goal is to outwit, outlast, and outplay. He did that by far in his first two seasons. The only reason he lost is because of bitter jury members.

What did Natalie do in her first season? She didn't win a bunch of competitions, she didn't make bold decisions, she did nothing but ride russels coattails. The only reason she won is because she didn't make people as mad as Russell. Between the two, everyone was upset because russel lied to their face. But in a game designed this way, to out wit, that's how you get there.

Second time Russell did everything he had to do, even beat Brett in the final challenge. The only reason Parvati won is because the jury was alot of girls who were again bitter that Russell played all of them.

If you thought he was bad, and That this season was good... You really should watch early season like season 13, 10,11. Season 5. The current seasons are pitiful compared to what the game started as. This used to be my favorite show, I have every season and have seen most multiple times. This last season was pitiful, the final three are dawn, Sherri, and Cochran??

I would have rather seen Phillip win... And that's saying ALOT.

Beautifully stated. Russell was awesome. Bitter people ruin the game and distort the final result.

Bathgate66

PJ_Soul wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

nice people always finish last.

i still hold out hope for cochran-
afterall , he masterminded the latest blind side.

He's going to have to win challenges.

he did that and then some.




next season looking interesing- blood versus water.

imagine having to vote off a member of your family ?

:shock:

RKCNDY

Bathgate66 wrote:

next season looking interesing- blood versus water.

imagine having to vote off a member of your family ?

:shock:

yes, I would like to see how the whole 'don't take it personal' game play will play out. toss Russell in there with one of his loved ones (NOT Brandon-he's too weenie to handle it now) and watch someone take that person out and then watch Russell flip out like Brandon.

Think they will use a Fans/Favorites mix or bring on a whole new crew?

Bathgate66

RKCNDY wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

next season looking interesing- blood versus water.

imagine having to vote off a member of your family ?

:shock:

yes, I would like to see how the whole 'don't take it personal' game play will play out. toss Russell in there with one of his loved ones (NOT Brandon-he's too weenie to handle it now) and watch someone take that person out and then watch Russell flip out like Brandon.

Think they will use a Fans/Favorites mix or bring on a whole new crew?

not sure of any returnees,
but it sounded from Jeff like the format would be changed
possibly 1 tribe of family against 1 tribe of strangers ?

we shall see,..

Kel Varnsen

smanchac1 wrote:

You sound like a bitter jury member.

Russel played the game to the fullest. Who cares who he steps on.
He accomplished his goal of getting to the end, which is the over all goal, twice. In a row. It was only once people observed his gameplay outside of the game that they realized they couldn't trust him. And you can't trust him because he will throw anyone out of the way to get to the end. The only way to get a shot a million dollars is to get to the end.

When you play a video game, cards, any competitive game, do you not win your hand because you care about your opponent? I doubt you would take people's feelings into account when a million dollars are on the line.

Russell used lies and deception to accomplish this goal. This is encouraged and not against the rules. The goal is to outwit, outlast, and outplay. He did that by far in his first two seasons. The only reason he lost is because of bitter jury members.

What did Natalie do in her first season? She didn't win a bunch of competitions, she didn't make bold decisions, she did nothing but ride russels coattails. The only reason she won is because she didn't make people as mad as Russell. Between the two, everyone was upset because russel lied to their face. But in a game designed this way, to out wit, that's how you get there.

Second time Russell did everything he had to do, even beat Brett in the final challenge. The only reason Parvati won is because the jury was alot of girls who were again bitter that Russell played all of them.

If you thought he was bad, and That this season was good... You really should watch early season like season 13, 10,11. Season 5. The current seasons are pitiful compared to what the game started as. This used to be my favorite show, I have every season and have seen most multiple times. This last season was pitiful, the final three are dawn, Sherri, and Cochran??

I would have rather seen Phillip win... And that's saying ALOT.

But russel didn't play the game to its fullest. Probst at the end of ever season talks about how survivor is a unique game in that the people you eliminate get to decide if you win or not. Playing the game in a way that convinces those people to vote for you is a huge part of the game. Not understanding that is like not understanding to put your answer in the form of a question on Jeopardy. Other people brought Russel to the end because they knew they could beat him, the same way Boston Rob brought Phillip to the end because he knew phillip wouldn't win.

I mean you say Russel lost because he had bitter juries, but I would say part of the game is being able to read people and make connections with them in a way so that they are not bitter towards you when they get voted out. Cochrane did that very well this season. Hell even Richard Hatch understood that.

By the way the second time that Russel played he made it to the end but came in 3rd. Sandra one and Parvati came in second. And considering that the whole cast was people who had played before (and presumably understood the game) I am not sure you can write it off as simply a bitter jury (especially since Russel didn't get any votes).

As far as Cochrane goes he actually played a great game, he got the unanimous votes for the million and didn't receive any tribal council votes during the game.

Given to...

Just peeking in...

Russell is and always will be a horses ass. I wouldn't waste a bladder full of piss to douse a fire on his sorry ass.

Cochran is a case study in what can happen when you delve into something as deeply as he has. Nice that he won.

Dawn, wow! I didn't think she would bare her teeth or lack of. Took some Mormon balls. Or something like that...

Brenda. Pure awesome.

JK_Livin

Maybe I just don't understand that you could be lied to then blindsided but telling someone to their face that they're going home is more offensive. Brenda should have voted for Dawn if that's your rationale.

PJ_Soul

Can't stand Russel, and he clearly sucked at the game... he lost each time, and it wasn't even close.

Bathgate66

PJ_Soul wrote:

Can't stand Russel, and he clearly sucked at the game... he lost each time, and it wasn't even close.

agreed.

he doesnt deserve shit.

RKCNDY

who was the other person that won and never got a vote against them? Colby?

PJ_Soul

RKCNDY wrote:

who was the other person that won and never got a vote against them? Colby?

Didn't Colby come in 2nd?

RKCNDY

PJ_Soul wrote:

RKCNDY wrote:

who was the other person that won and never got a vote against them? Colby?

Didn't Colby come in 2nd?

oh that's right, it was Tina...Colby and Tina had a 'thing' for each other...someone else won and never had any votes against them in Tribal...Sandra?

PJ_Soul

RKCNDY wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

RKCNDY wrote:

who was the other person that won and never got a vote against them? Colby?

Didn't Colby come in 2nd?

oh that's right, it was Tina...Colby and Tina had a 'thing' for each other...someone else won and never had any votes against them in Tribal...Sandra?

I'm not sure; I'm really bad and remembering anything from previous seasons! I can't even remember who won most of them! :P