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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,703
    DewieCox said:

    The low volume on LB is a sign of a bad pressing. My original copy had a few minor pops, but I had to crank that bitch up around 40 on my receiver. Most vinyl ranges from 30-35 and my replacement falls in that range.

    But it sounds excellent when the volume is turned up (and not a lot more. I listen to most of my records on 40, and I turn LB up to 44). So it can't be a bad pressing if the sound quality is very good, even if you do have to turn it up a bit more. Also, I'm talking replacement vinyl. No pops or anything. It sounds perfect.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    hinsey21 said:

    DewieCox said:

    The low volume on LB is a sign of a bad pressing. My original copy had a few minor pops, but I had to crank that bitch up around 40 on my receiver. Most vinyl ranges from 30-35 and my replacement falls in that range.

    It's not really as simple as that. I have some mfsl pressings that are some of the most low volume records I own and they are certainly not bad pressings. mfsl records in particular are cut at lower volume to minimize inner groove distortion, and overall distortion and saturation. So just because it's a quiet pressing does automatically mean its a sign of a bad pressing.
    I think with this example it is that simple. I had one pressing, from a batch that was known to be a bad pressing and when I got the replacement, the volume issue was fixed.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,703
    edited January 2014
    DewieCox said:

    hinsey21 said:

    DewieCox said:

    The low volume on LB is a sign of a bad pressing. My original copy had a few minor pops, but I had to crank that bitch up around 40 on my receiver. Most vinyl ranges from 30-35 and my replacement falls in that range.

    It's not really as simple as that. I have some mfsl pressings that are some of the most low volume records I own and they are certainly not bad pressings. mfsl records in particular are cut at lower volume to minimize inner groove distortion, and overall distortion and saturation. So just because it's a quiet pressing does automatically mean its a sign of a bad pressing.
    I think with this example it is that simple. I had one pressing, from a batch that was known to be a bad pressing and when I got the replacement, the volume issue was fixed.
    My replacement is the one that's a bit quiet, not one of the fucked up originals (which were also quiet, but also have pops). The second pressing. Actually, I got 4 replacements total (2 black, 2 red), and they all play perfectly, but are all on the quiet side.
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  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    PJ_Soul said:

    DewieCox said:

    hinsey21 said:

    DewieCox said:

    The low volume on LB is a sign of a bad pressing. My original copy had a few minor pops, but I had to crank that bitch up around 40 on my receiver. Most vinyl ranges from 30-35 and my replacement falls in that range.

    It's not really as simple as that. I have some mfsl pressings that are some of the most low volume records I own and they are certainly not bad pressings. mfsl records in particular are cut at lower volume to minimize inner groove distortion, and overall distortion and saturation. So just because it's a quiet pressing does automatically mean its a sign of a bad pressing.
    I think with this example it is that simple. I had one pressing, from a batch that was known to be a bad pressing and when I got the replacement, the volume issue was fixed.
    My replacement is the one that's a bit quiet, not one of the fucked up originals (which were also quiet, but also have pops). The second pressing. Actually, I got 4 replacements total (2 black, 2 red), and they all play perfectly, but are all on the quiet side.
    Yep, the replacement copy I have was actually given to me by Soul. I gotta pump mine to 30 or below to get a good volume on it. Unless they decided to just send her crappy copies in the mail, which in that case, I blame her!
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  • Philip_Ireland
    Philip_Ireland Posts: 673
    edited January 2014
    reesdog said:

    Original: U2 - Achtung Baby
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    This record sounds really good, also nice that it's on one disc and not spread out over two like most releases seem to be these day's. Just a nice clear, warm sound that really shows off the production of the album and instruments.


    Achtung Baby should have been on two LPs. LPs mostly sound awful when then go over 45 mins on a single LP. They pressed on one LP to save cash

    "It was quite popular to release what should have been double albums as single LP's in the late 80's/early 90's, when the record companies wanted people to buy CD's instead."

    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/at-what-length-is-an-album-too-long-to-fit-well-sonically-on-1-lp.218741/
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  • thefixer9
    thefixer9 Posts: 9,376
    Glen Hansard Drive All Night EP....that sounds amazing.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,703
    thefixer9 said:

    Glen Hansard Drive All Night EP....that sounds amazing.

    Yes, it does! I was pleasantly surprised by how nice this EP is, both for sound quality and music. Really beautiful. :)
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  • thefixer9
    thefixer9 Posts: 9,376
    PJ_Soul said:

    thefixer9 said:

    Glen Hansard Drive All Night EP....that sounds amazing.

    Yes, it does! I was pleasantly surprised by how nice this EP is, both for sound quality and music. Really beautiful. :)
    You've got that right! :D
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  • reesdog
    reesdog Auckland, NZ. Posts: 1,981

    reesdog said:

    Original: U2 - Achtung Baby
    image
    This record sounds really good, also nice that it's on one disc and not spread out over two like most releases seem to be these day's. Just a nice clear, warm sound that really shows off the production of the album and instruments.


    Achtung Baby should have been on two LPs. LPs mostly sound awful when then go over 45 mins on a single LP. They pressed on one LP to save cash

    "It was quite popular to release what should have been double albums as single LP's in the late 80's/early 90's, when the record companies wanted people to buy CD's instead."

    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/at-what-length-is-an-album-too-long-to-fit-well-sonically-on-1-lp.218741/
    I don't really agree, the one LP for this sounds fine to these ears, sounds great in fact. I have loads of one record albums from this era and they sound really good mostly. :)
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,703
    edited January 2014
    I prefer albums to be on one disc. I find any difference there may be when it's split between two is completely negligible (unless, perhaps, you have a $20,000 set up or something). I have many GREAT sounding albums that are on one disc. I think this 2 disc thing is pure audiophile snobbery. I mean, if an album is long, that's one thing - it wouldn't all fit on one disc obviously - but putting a standard length album (like any PJ studio album) on two disc is simply a pain in the ass, and I hear NO difference in sound quality IMO. I really can't stand that all these reissues coming out now for bands are on two discs when the original that sounded just great was on one. That's idiotic I think.
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  • 63schoefflin
    63schoefflin Posts: 2,581
    smarchee said:

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    this sounds really good

    I love that album. Although mine is super tight getting it out of the plastic.

    Long shot I know, but did you happen to know anyone with the Rock N Roll murder cover? I've been looking to track one down at a reasonable price but haven't had much luck. I believe it was the European release that had it.
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  • 63schoefflin
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    reesdog said:

    reesdog said:

    Original: U2 - Achtung Baby
    image
    This record sounds really good, also nice that it's on one disc and not spread out over two like most releases seem to be these day's. Just a nice clear, warm sound that really shows off the production of the album and instruments.


    Achtung Baby should have been on two LPs. LPs mostly sound awful when then go over 45 mins on a single LP. They pressed on one LP to save cash

    "It was quite popular to release what should have been double albums as single LP's in the late 80's/early 90's, when the record companies wanted people to buy CD's instead."

    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/at-what-length-is-an-album-too-long-to-fit-well-sonically-on-1-lp.218741/
    I don't really agree, the one LP for this sounds fine to these ears, sounds great in fact. I have loads of one record albums from this era and they sound really good mostly. :) </blockquote
    Price grab more often than not.

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  • aurynsdad
    aurynsdad Posts: 863
    Is one of the reasons LB is so quiet that they tried to fit the absolute maximum amount onto each side? I had previously heard that 22 min was the max on a standard 12" 33 rpm record, and was surprised when I saw LB fit a couple minutes extra on each side. While I love the sound, I've also noticed that sometimes the drums seem a little low in the mix. Could this also be related?
    The more stuff you fit onto the vinyl, the closer the tracks have to be to each other and therefore the smaller the waveform has to be cut. Smaller waveform = quieter music and less room for bass.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,703
    aurynsdad said:

    Is one of the reasons LB is so quiet that they tried to fit the absolute maximum amount onto each side? I had previously heard that 22 min was the max on a standard 12" 33 rpm record, and was surprised when I saw LB fit a couple minutes extra on each side. While I love the sound, I've also noticed that sometimes the drums seem a little low in the mix. Could this also be related?

    The more stuff you fit onto the vinyl, the closer the tracks have to be to each other and therefore the smaller the waveform has to be cut. Smaller waveform = quieter music and less room for bass.
    No, that's not the reason it's so quiet. Because I have loads of albums that are that long and on one disc, and none of those are quiet. I think it's quiet because of the way it was mastered.
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  • aurynsdad
    aurynsdad Posts: 863
    Thanks. I should contribute an album to the discussion- I haven't heard Robin Trower's "Bridge of Sighs" any other way, but it sure sounds amazing on vinyl!

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  • thefixer9
    thefixer9 Posts: 9,376
    PJ_Soul said:

    I prefer albums to be on one disc. I find any difference there may be when it's split between two is completely negligible (unless, perhaps, you have a $20,000 set up or something). I have many GREAT sounding albums that are on one disc. I think this 2 disc thing is pure audiophile snobbery. I mean, if an album is long, that's one thing - it wouldn't all fit on one disc obviously - but putting a standard length album (like any PJ studio album) on two disc is simply a pain in the ass, and I hear NO difference in sound quality IMO. I really can't stand that all these reissues coming out now for bands are on two discs when the original that sounded just great was on one. That's idiotic I think.

    I actually like when they do that...to me...that's just more vinyl.... =P~
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  • reesdog
    reesdog Auckland, NZ. Posts: 1,981
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    One record album from that late 80's period..........sounds great!
    Nice deep, lush sound on this one. :)
    A wop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom.
  • BIGDaddyWil
    BIGDaddyWil Michigan Posts: 3,080

    PJ_Soul said:

    Just plopped down Mondo's recently released Halloween Soundtrack. Sound is incredible. Highly Highly recommended.

    I will be purchasing this soon! Thanks!!!

    Forgot to add, this pressing runs at 45rpm

    Hey Dr. Delight, I've got a copy of the splatter colored vinyl on the way!
    awesome....I ordered the other one BEFORE they made that one available for general sale. F'n Mondo!
    Oh well, they all play beautifully.
    So what is the music? Creepy instrumental stuff? What am I forgetting about the soundtrack that makes people want to buy and listen to it?
    Yeah, its basically all of the different instrumentals combined with the most memorable dialogue scenes. Probably a must-have for die-hard Halloween fans really(obviously here...duh).


    Sounds awesome!!!

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  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210

    PJ_Soul said:

    Just plopped down Mondo's recently released Halloween Soundtrack. Sound is incredible. Highly Highly recommended.

    I will be purchasing this soon! Thanks!!!

    Forgot to add, this pressing runs at 45rpm

    Hey Dr. Delight, I've got a copy of the splatter colored vinyl on the way!
    awesome....I ordered the other one BEFORE they made that one available for general sale. F'n Mondo!
    Oh well, they all play beautifully.
    So what is the music? Creepy instrumental stuff? What am I forgetting about the soundtrack that makes people want to buy and listen to it?
    Yeah, its basically all of the different instrumentals combined with the most memorable dialogue scenes. Probably a must-have for die-hard Halloween fans really(obviously here...duh).


    Sounds awesome!!!

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  • aurynsdad
    aurynsdad Posts: 863
    Windham Hill Records put out some great vinyl back in the day, if you like instrumental composers.
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