Fuck it, if nothing gets done after Newtown nothing ever will no massacre will bring about change in our violent culture here in America ..
So let's arm everybody woot woot !
i really wish alot of times more people to think the way you do..and not only in this matter
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go here to see how your senator voted. The second one must be some BS Republican law that says it is for gun control but obviously isnt based on the voting.
Fuck it, if nothing gets done after Newtown nothing ever will no massacre will bring about change in our violent culture here in America ..
So let's arm everybody woot woot !
Fuck it indeed. The crazy minority wins somehow - wtf America? Whatever. :roll:
Canadians and Europeans don't understand it because they are rational people who haven't been brain washed by the NRA. Living in America is pretty disgusting these days. So many people that think watching Youtube videos makes them educated on what is REALLY happening.
I had a few good conversations with Canadians while on vacation in Mexico in January. They just thought it was a joke. Fox News, the propaganda from gun lobbies, health care. They just couldn't wrap their minds around it. These were farmers and hunters, not large city residents either. Winning political battles has become more important than doing the sensible thing.
This bill did NOT create a list or database for gun owners. In fact it strictly stated that such a list could not be created. It was simply to put the same checks into place at gun shows and internet sales that are in place for purchases made from registered dealers.
We are right to look at our Congress with disgust. They have earned it. And they remind us of that all the time.
And we will remember come election time as well.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Fuck it, if nothing gets done after Newtown nothing ever will no massacre will bring about change in our violent culture here in America ..
So let's arm everybody woot woot !
I know, right? What the hell has to happen?
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
We are right to look at our Congress with disgust. They have earned it. And they remind us of that all the time.
And we will remember come election time as well.
Let them know now! Find your senator and email them. Let them know you will not vote for them because of how they voted on this bill. They probably wont care or see but if enough people do maybe it will help.
go here to see how your senator voted. The first one must be some BS Republican law that says it is for gun control but obviously isnt based on the voting.
The second is the real gun control bill.
Are you sure it's the second? Seems like the vote aligns to the first. I'm more inclined to think it's the first since my douchebag senators McConnell and Paul voted nay on that one which is in line with their beliefs. I am so annoyed that a background check couldn't even pass but good on Obama for blasting them!
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
go here to see how your senator voted. The first one must be some BS Republican law that says it is for gun control but obviously isnt based on the voting.
The second is the real gun control bill.
Are you sure it's the second? Seems like the vote aligns to the first. I'm more inclined to think it's the first since my douchebag senators McConnell and Paul voted nay on that one which is in line with their beliefs. I am so annoyed that a background check couldn't even pass but good on Obama for blasting them!
Yes, you are right. I got them mixed up. Corrected. Thanks. I agree I really liked his speech, it was very "no bullshit".
You know... I am flabbergasted. No... exasperated. I knew the will wasn't there for your leaders to do the job that was incumbent upon them. If this forum is an accurate cross section of the mentalities which represent the two sides... the cookoos can rejoice. The inmates are officially running the asylum.
I have clearly been one of the outspoken ones advocating (from afar) for gun reform. I leave you to your weapons. Enjoy killing each other, but promise me when I'm passing through- which I do often- don't gun me down in a fit of rage because my GPS isn't working and I'm irritating you on the road. Please?
We are right to look at our Congress with disgust. They have earned it. And they remind us of that all the time.
And we will remember come election time as well.
there's no common sense reason why anyone would be against extending background checks, unless it's because they're either crazy and/or a criminal...
something to consider about the members of the Senate that voted it down
Common sense, no. They have been brainwashed by the NRA and gun lobbies that Obama is trying to take away their guns and any law that gets passed is just a slippery slope to that.
Money and votes matter more than human life. Shame on you Senators. When it's one of their loved ones in the next mass shooting they better not cry a single tear.
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States have background checks ...gun owners just don't want to be on some UN list....They also don't want crap to pass that has hidden agendas......we want to know what EXACTLY is written in this law....like who is going to be the judge and what criteria will they use when deeming some one is not eligible to own a gun.....seems people have smartened up since passing the Obama Care without reading it....
AWESOME!!!
Your right to own a gun is more important than human lives? Looks like you really have your priorities right. :fp:
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Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
States have background checks ...gun owners just don't want to be on some UN list....They also don't want crap to pass that has hidden agendas......we want to know what EXACTLY is written in this law....like who is going to be the judge and what criteria will they use when deeming some one is not eligible to own a gun.....seems people have smartened up since passing the Obama Care without reading it....
States have background checks ...gun owners just don't want to be on some UN list....They also don't want crap to pass that has hidden agendas......we want to know what EXACTLY is written in this law....like who is going to be the judge and what criteria will they use when deeming some one is not eligible to own a gun.....seems people have smartened up since passing the Obama Care without reading it....
:thumbup:
God forbid you have some regulations on your pointless assault weapons, it's just human lives at stake that's all. :fp:
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Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
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Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
I just have a quick question. machine guns have been banned since 1986 but yet that didn't lead to guns being banned so why do people feel that they would now?
I just have a quick question. machine guns have been banned since 1986 but yet that didn't lead to guns being banned so why do people feel that they would now?
Much more fear mongering today.
Like the who national gun registry that is specifically outlawed in yesterday's proposed bill. But that doesn't stop everyone from legislators to talk show hosts to idiots posting on message boards from saying that it will create a national gun registry. :fp:
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
There are more regulations to drive a car than own semi auto shotgun with a 20 round magazine. The NRA used to be for guns owners and was a sensible, logical organization. That changed about 30 years ago when they became the lobby group for weapons manufacturers. Now the only thing they care about is making sure those manufacturers are able to make and sell as many weapons as possible. They care NOTHING about who buys them and how they are used.
There are more regulations to drive a car than own semi auto shotgun with a 20 round magazine. The NRA used to be for guns owners and was a sensible, logical organization. That changed about 30 years ago when they became the lobby group for weapons manufacturers. Now the only thing they care about is making sure those manufacturers are able to make and sell as many weapons as possible. They care NOTHING about who buys them and how they are used.
There are more regulations to drive a car than own semi auto shotgun with a 20 round magazine. The NRA used to be for guns owners and was a sensible, logical organization. That changed about 30 years ago when they became the lobby group for weapons manufacturers. Now the only thing they care about is making sure those manufacturers are able to make and sell as many weapons as possible. They care NOTHING about who buys them and how they are used.
And they used to be for background checks and registration.... especially when the black panthers started carrying guns.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
There are more regulations to drive a car than own semi auto shotgun with a 20 round magazine. The NRA used to be for guns owners and was a sensible, logical organization. That changed about 30 years ago when they became the lobby group for weapons manufacturers. Now the only thing they care about is making sure those manufacturers are able to make and sell as many weapons as possible. They care NOTHING about who buys them and how they are used.
$$$dingdingding$$$
The sad thing is everybody knows it. Its really amazing. We know the politicians are full of shit. They know we know they are full of shit. Its a game and we are the pawns.
There are more regulations to drive a car than own semi auto shotgun with a 20 round magazine. The NRA used to be for guns owners and was a sensible, logical organization. That changed about 30 years ago when they became the lobby group for weapons manufacturers. Now the only thing they care about is making sure those manufacturers are able to make and sell as many weapons as possible. They care NOTHING about who buys them and how they are used.
$$$dingdingding$$$
This is best case for them ...
Bushmaster "kid killer" C-15 was $600 a year ago ... now it's $850 at the cheapest (gander mountain) ... much more at local gunshops
There are more regulations to drive a car than own semi auto shotgun with a 20 round magazine. The NRA used to be for guns owners and was a sensible, logical organization. That changed about 30 years ago when they became the lobby group for weapons manufacturers. Now the only thing they care about is making sure those manufacturers are able to make and sell as many weapons as possible. They care NOTHING about who buys them and how they are used.
No matter how many times you state the obvious... it is lost upon those that simply refuse to accept reality for whatever reason. I agree with you: they are the face of industry- as is your congress for that matter. Sell deadly weapons and cheap bullets by: touting the second ammendment (for legitimacy), striking chords of fear (for need), and smugly washing their hands afterwards using the same arguments (absolving themselves from being accountable).
Trying not to make any judgements and speaking very generally... just as the tobacco industry, or alcohol industry seems to care very little for the health problems attached to the use of their products... the gun industry places economics ahead of the fate of individuals that will be affected by their product's use as well. Nobody should really be surprised by this or should argue that it isn't the case.
Joe Manchin: NRA Scorecard Killed Gun Control Bill
By ALAN FRAM 04/18/13 09:50 AM ET EDT
WASHINGTON -- The Democratic sponsor of the defeated gun-control plan says it would have passed easily, if not for the National Rifle Association.
Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia says there would have been 70 votes for the plan to expand background checks for gun buyers. But the NRA said it would include the gun vote on report cards that show whether candidates support gun rights.
The Senate on Wednesday rejected the background check bill Manchin wrote with Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Patrick Toomey.
Manchin says he also lost votes because some senators who may vote for gay rights or an immigration bill wanted to show they are still conservative.
Manchin spoke Thursday at a breakfast sponsored by The Wall Street Journal.
-So, instead of voting for "the right thing" or even how your constituents want, you hedge your votes so that you can appease some idiotic, talk radio-distorted characature of what a conservative or a republican should be.
Gotta love our politics. :x
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Of course it's all about $$$$ everything is :?
doesn't change the fact that people want and need guns to protect
themselves against criminals who will always have guns. That is reality ,
more of a reality for some than others because of the criminal activity around them.
And wanting to own a gun will remain a right in the USA, it is what the majority of people want
whether they ever choose to own a gun or not.
Now lets get down to real business that will stop the violence.
That is not the weapon of choice but the people who thrive on hurting other people
and why they choose or feel they are forced to do it.
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While they are on a roll, why not make RPG's, grenade launchers and flame throwers legal ... by the 2nd amendment, why not?
I want a howitzer.
Really, why not? It's on like Donkey Kong.
While you are at you I would something old school.....let me have The Gatlin Gun. :x
Peace
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Of course it's all about $$$$ everything is :?
doesn't change the fact that people want and need guns to protect
themselves against criminals who will always have guns. That is reality ,
more of a reality for some than others because of the criminal activity around them.
And wanting to own a gun will remain a right in the USA, it is what the majority of people want
whether they ever choose to own a gun or not.
Now lets get down to real business that will stop the violence.
That is not the weapon of choice but the people who thrive on hurting other people
and why they choose or feel they are forced to do it.
So what exactly is the problem with background checks?
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
go here to see how your senator voted. The second one must be some BS Republican law that says it is for gun control but obviously isnt based on the voting.
The first is the real gun control bill.
Canadians and Europeans don't understand it because they are rational people who haven't been brain washed by the NRA. Living in America is pretty disgusting these days. So many people that think watching Youtube videos makes them educated on what is REALLY happening.
I had a few good conversations with Canadians while on vacation in Mexico in January. They just thought it was a joke. Fox News, the propaganda from gun lobbies, health care. They just couldn't wrap their minds around it. These were farmers and hunters, not large city residents either. Winning political battles has become more important than doing the sensible thing.
This bill did NOT create a list or database for gun owners. In fact it strictly stated that such a list could not be created. It was simply to put the same checks into place at gun shows and internet sales that are in place for purchases made from registered dealers.
And we will remember come election time as well.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I know, right? What the hell has to happen?
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Let them know now! Find your senator and email them. Let them know you will not vote for them because of how they voted on this bill. They probably wont care or see but if enough people do maybe it will help.
Are you sure it's the second? Seems like the vote aligns to the first. I'm more inclined to think it's the first since my douchebag senators McConnell and Paul voted nay on that one which is in line with their beliefs. I am so annoyed that a background check couldn't even pass but good on Obama for blasting them!
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
Yes, you are right. I got them mixed up. Corrected. Thanks. I agree I really liked his speech, it was very "no bullshit".
I have clearly been one of the outspoken ones advocating (from afar) for gun reform. I leave you to your weapons. Enjoy killing each other, but promise me when I'm passing through- which I do often- don't gun me down in a fit of rage because my GPS isn't working and I'm irritating you on the road. Please?
there's no common sense reason why anyone would be against extending background checks, unless it's because they're either crazy and/or a criminal...
something to consider about the members of the Senate that voted it down
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Common sense, no. They have been brainwashed by the NRA and gun lobbies that Obama is trying to take away their guns and any law that gets passed is just a slippery slope to that.
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Your right to own a gun is more important than human lives? Looks like you really have your priorities right. :fp:
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
God forbid you have some regulations on your pointless assault weapons, it's just human lives at stake that's all. :fp:
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
Much more fear mongering today.
Like the who national gun registry that is specifically outlawed in yesterday's proposed bill. But that doesn't stop everyone from legislators to talk show hosts to idiots posting on message boards from saying that it will create a national gun registry. :fp:
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
$$$dingdingding$$$
And they used to be for background checks and registration.... especially when the black panthers started carrying guns.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
The sad thing is everybody knows it. Its really amazing. We know the politicians are full of shit. They know we know they are full of shit. Its a game and we are the pawns.
Bushmaster "kid killer" C-15 was $600 a year ago ... now it's $850 at the cheapest (gander mountain) ... much more at local gunshops
No matter how many times you state the obvious... it is lost upon those that simply refuse to accept reality for whatever reason. I agree with you: they are the face of industry- as is your congress for that matter. Sell deadly weapons and cheap bullets by: touting the second ammendment (for legitimacy), striking chords of fear (for need), and smugly washing their hands afterwards using the same arguments (absolving themselves from being accountable).
Trying not to make any judgements and speaking very generally... just as the tobacco industry, or alcohol industry seems to care very little for the health problems attached to the use of their products... the gun industry places economics ahead of the fate of individuals that will be affected by their product's use as well. Nobody should really be surprised by this or should argue that it isn't the case.
I want a howitzer.
Really, why not? It's on like Donkey Kong.
By ALAN FRAM 04/18/13 09:50 AM ET EDT
WASHINGTON -- The Democratic sponsor of the defeated gun-control plan says it would have passed easily, if not for the National Rifle Association.
Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia says there would have been 70 votes for the plan to expand background checks for gun buyers. But the NRA said it would include the gun vote on report cards that show whether candidates support gun rights.
The Senate on Wednesday rejected the background check bill Manchin wrote with Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Patrick Toomey.
Manchin says he also lost votes because some senators who may vote for gay rights or an immigration bill wanted to show they are still conservative.
Manchin spoke Thursday at a breakfast sponsored by The Wall Street Journal.
-So, instead of voting for "the right thing" or even how your constituents want, you hedge your votes so that you can appease some idiotic, talk radio-distorted characature of what a conservative or a republican should be.
Gotta love our politics. :x
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
doesn't change the fact that people want and need guns to protect
themselves against criminals who will always have guns. That is reality ,
more of a reality for some than others because of the criminal activity around them.
And wanting to own a gun will remain a right in the USA, it is what the majority of people want
whether they ever choose to own a gun or not.
Now lets get down to real business that will stop the violence.
That is not the weapon of choice but the people who thrive on hurting other people
and why they choose or feel they are forced to do it.
While you are at you I would something old school.....let me have The Gatlin Gun. :x
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
So what exactly is the problem with background checks?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln